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[Countrymouse]

From Wikipedia:

The Hiding Place is an autobiographical book written by Corrie ten Boom with John and Elizabeth Sherrill. It was published in 1971.

The Sherrills came up with the idea for The Hiding Place while doing research for another book of theirs called God's Smuggler. At the time, ten Boom was already in her mid-70s. As one of van der Bijl's favorite traveling companions, ten Boom is referenced often in his recollections. In the preface to the book, the Sherrills recount:

...his [Brother Andrew's] fascinating stories about her in Vietnam, where she had earned that most honorable title "Double-old Grandmother" - and in a dozen other Communist countries - came to mind so often that we finally had to hold up her hands to stop his flow of reminiscence. "We could never fit her into the book," we said. "She sounds like a book in herself." It's the sort of thing you say, not meaning anything.

The title refers to both the literal hiding place where the ten Boom family hid Jews from the Nazis, and also to the Scriptural message found in Psalm 119:114: "Thou art my hiding place and my shield..."[1]

Plot​

The book begins with the Ten Boom family celebrating the 100th anniversary of the family business; they sell and repair watches under the family's elderly father, Casper ten Boom. The business takes up the ground floor of the family home, known as the Béjé. Casper lives with his two unmarried daughters; Corrie, the narrator and a watchmaker herself, and Betsie, who takes care of the house. It seems as if everyone in the Dutch town of Haarlem has shown up to the party, including Corrie's sister Nollie, her brother Willem, and her nephews Peter and Kik. Willem, a minister in the Dutch Reformed Church, brings a Jewish man, who has just escaped from Germany. The man's beard has been burned off by some thugs, a grim reminder of what was happening just to the east of the Netherlands.

In the next few chapters, Corrie talks about her childhood, her infirm, but glad-hearted mother, and the three aunts who once lived in the Béjé. Additionally, she talks about the only man she ever loved: a young man named Karel, who ultimately married a woman from a rich family.

Eventually, both Nollie and Willem marry. And after the deaths of Corrie's mother and aunts, Casper, Corrie and Betsie, settle down into a pleasant domestic life. Later, in 1940, the Nazis invade the Netherlands.

Having strong morals based on Christian beliefs, the family feels obligated to help the Jews in every way possible. The Béjé soon becomes the centre of a major anti-Nazi operation. Corrie, who had grown to think of herself as a middle-aged spinster, becomes entangled in black market operations, uses stolen ration cards, and eventually hides Jews in her own home.

Corrie suffers a moral crisis over the lying, theft, forgery, and bribery that are necessary to keep the Jews that her family is hiding. Moreover, it is unlikely that her family will get away with helping Jews for long, as they have no where to hide them. The Dutch underground arranges for a secret room to be built in the Béjé so that the Jews will have a place to hide during an inevitable raid.

It is a constant struggle for Corrie to keep the Jews safe; she sacrifices her own safety and her personal room to give constant safety to the Jews. Rolf, a friend who is a police officer, trains her to be able to think clearly any time when the Nazis invade her home and start to question her.

When a man asks Corrie to help his wife who had been arrested, Corrie agrees, but with reservation. As it turns out, the man was a spy and the watch shop is raided. The entire family is arrested, along with the shop employees, but the Jews manage to stay hidden in the secret room.

Casper is now in his mid-80s, and a Nazi official offers to let him go if he agrees to cause no more trouble. Casper does not agree and states that if he is set free, he will return home and help the first person who asks him for it. For this, Casper is shipped off to prison. It is later learned that he died ten days later.

Meanwhile, Corrie was sent to Scheveningen, a Dutch prison nicknamed '"Oranjehotel"', a hotel for people loyal to the House of Orange. She later learned that her sister is being held in another cell and that, aside from her father, all of her family members and friends have been released. A coded letter from Nollie reveals that the hidden Jews are safe. At Scheveningen, Corrie befriends a depressed Nazi officer. He arranges a brief meeting with her family under the pretense of reading Casper's will. Corrie is horrified to see how ill Willem is, as he contracted jaundice in prison and would later die in 1946. Corrie also learned that her nephew, Kik, was captured while he worked for the Dutch underground. He is later killed, but the family does not learn about his misfortune until 1953.

After four months at Scheveningen, Corrie and Betsie are transferred to Vught, a concentration camp for political prisoners in the Netherlands. Corrie is assigned to a factory that makes radios for aircraft. The work is not hard, and the prisoner-foreman, Mr. Moorman, is kind. Betsie, whose health is starting to fail, is sent to work sewing prison uniforms.

When a counteroffensive against the Nazis seems imminent, the prisoners are shipped by train to Germany, where they are imprisoned at Ravensbrück, a notorious women's concentration camp. The conditions there are hellish; both Corrie and Betsie are forced to perform backbreaking manual labour. It is at Ravensbruck that Betsie's health completely fails. Throughout the ordeal, Corrie is amazed at her sister's faith. In every camp, the sisters use a hidden Bible to teach their fellow prisoners about Jesus.

In Ravensbrück, where there is only hatred and misery, Corrie finds it hard to look to Heaven. Betsie, however, shows a universal love for everyone: not only the prisoners, but also their guards. Instead of feeling anger and hatred, Betsie pities the Germans and is sorrowful that they are blinded by their loathing. She yearns to show them the love of Christ, but dies before the war is over. Corrie is later released because of a clerical error, but she is forced to stay in a hospital barracks while she recovers from edema. Corrie arrives back in the Netherlands by January 1945.

After the armistice, Corrie works with persecuted victims as well as the Nazis themselves who were scarred by the war.

 

[rob0126]

(Quick thread drift, to answer what's been posted so far)

Regardless of what side of the issue you are on, my disapproval of the people that call themselves jews (but are not), is the mass slaughtering of the Palestinians, whom are Semites by very definition.(Who's an antisemite then?)

Not to mention their control over the US Govt.(dual citizens)

God's chosen people are those who accept the call of God(John 15:16), thru Christ(Galatians 3:28-29), and do His will(1 John 2:17).

That's not the jews & there religion(Galatians 1:14), regardless of how much you want to believe it.

Try this: Remove the label of Jew from those who run the State of Israel, and then judge what they are doing to innocent women and children. Does God Almighty approve of that?

Even if the palestinian women and children deserved death: (they did/do not in my opinion)
If God judges a nation for it's evil, using evil people, does that give His people(In Christ) the right to cheer it on? (Proverbs 24:17-18)

Do you see where I am coming from? If we cheer on 'the state of Israel''s killing of innocent women and children, what does that make us?

I will have no part in it.

And if anyone wants to argue the virtues of murdering innocence, then let God judge between me and thee.(1 Samuel 24:12)

OT:

Lots of bad things happened under hitler's rule. But the US does not have clean hands either.

If we are to learn from history, shouldn't we know the truth?

 

[CaryC]

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[JMG91]

How many people have actually read Corrie Ten Boom?

Me!

 

[JMG91]

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Ariel view of Auschwitz, note no swimming pool, or soccer field. Just one of many ariel views of concentration camps.

This site has numerous info for the series researcher:

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Holocaust deniers spread falsehoods and misinformation that can appear reasonable to the uninformed reader. This section provides concise scholarly answers to a number of common claims made by Holocaust deniers.
Each myth or claim made by Holocaust deniers is accompanied by a short response. Click on the claim to get a longer, more detailed response. The subjects include, among others, information on the existence of the gas chambers at Auschwitz-Birkenau, Kristallnacht, Hitler’s knowledge of and role in the Holocaust, the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust, the proof for the existence of the death camps of Operation Reinhard, the Allied air raid on Dresden, and Anne Frank.

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I’m sorry, I don’t want to waste my breath repeating myself, but I grew up hearing all of this. The website you gave provides no documentation, no viable testimonies, no evidence. It’s literally just the official narrative again, and we’re expected to just take their word for it. I’ve read the information on the websites of the various museums where the camps used to be, and the kind of reasoning I saw on them was:

“We know there were gas chambers because we have proof.” (Shows a German blueprint for a “decontamination chamber” that says nothing about gas chambers—or anything else they’ve claimed.
“See? Gas chamber!” (And proceeds to refer to it that way for the remainder of the article.)

That is not due diligence. This is inferring something by attempting to stuff history into a specific narrative-shaped box. Again, I will repeat myself: I am not claiming that nobody died or even was murdered in these camps. I am saying that a narrative has been created for the benefit of specific peoples and governments in order to control people. If you think our government would never do that, just look at the horrific experiments that were carried out on American citizens without their consent following WWII.

On the above website, they continually refer to the crematoriums as though they were some unique, never before seen atrocity, when in fact, such crematoriums were used in various places where large numbers of people were to be housed. Inevitably, people are going to die in these places; that does not mean that the Germans were out to wipe them from off the face of the earth. America’s WWI concentration camps, Ellis Island, and even various military bases contained these crematoriums. It was the most hygienic way to dispose of bodies of those who died.

As for Corrie Ten Boom, perhaps she was telling the truth, perhaps she wasn’t—we have absolutely no way of knowing—but once again, we’re expected to simply take her word for it, and since she’s the only surviving member of her family, there’s no one else to corroborate her story.

 

[Jez]

The power of rhetoric is scary. That's why true democracy is a horrible form of government. You get a person or group of people who can speak well and stir a crowd up and the mob can do terrible things.

 

[Countrymouse]

I’m sorry, I don’t want to waste my breath repeating myself, but I grew up hearing all of this. The website you gave provides no documentation, no viable testimonies, no evidence. It’s literally just the official narrative again, and we’re expected to just take their word for it. I’ve read the information on the websites of the various museums where the camps used to be, and the kind of reasoning I saw on them was:

“We know there were gas chambers because we have proof.” (Shows a German blueprint for a “decontamination chamber” that says nothing about gas chambers—or anything else they’ve claimed.
“See? Gas chamber!” (And proceeds to refer to it that way for the remainder of the article.)

That is not due diligence. This is inferring something by attempting to stuff history into a specific narrative-shaped box. Again, I will repeat myself: I am not claiming that nobody died or even was murdered in these camps. I am saying that a narrative has been created for the benefit of specific peoples and governments in order to control people. If you think our government would never do that, just look at the horrific experiments that were carried out on American citizens without their consent following WWII.

On the above website, they continually refer to the crematoriums as though they were some unique, never before seen atrocity, when in fact, such crematoriums were used in various places where large numbers of people were to be housed. Inevitably, people are going to die in these places; that does not mean that the Germans were out to wipe them from off the face of the earth. America’s WWI concentration camps, Ellis Island, and even various military bases contained these crematoriums. It was the most hygienic way to dispose of bodies of those who died.

As for Corrie Ten Boom, perhaps she was telling the truth, perhaps she wasn’t—we have absolutely no way of knowing—but once again, we’re expected to simply take her word for it, and since she’s the only surviving member of her family, there’s no one else to corroborate her story.

Actually, she had MANY family members and contemporaries who certainly could have debunked her story if it were untrue (her brother and a sister survived, as well as numerous nieces and nephews). Plus, immediately after her release, she began a ministry of public speaking, sharing what she and her family had suffered and how Jesus had led them victoriously through all of it, and if what she had told were lies, many contemporaries there in her hometown and native country would have known immediately and would have denounced it as a lie. And don't forget that her elderly father and her sister died in German prisons/concentration camps--those are verifiable facts.

They were hardly the "resorts" you're painting them to be.

 

[naegling62]

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[JMG91]

Actually, she had MANY family members and contemporaries who certainly could have debunked her story if it were untrue (her brother and a sister survived, as well as numerous nieces and nephews). Plus, immediately after her release, she began a ministry of public speaking, sharing what she and her family had suffered and how Jesus had led them victoriously through all of it, and if what she had told were lies, many contemporaries there in her hometown and native country would have known immediately and would have denounced it as a lie. And don't forget that her elderly father and her sister died in German prisons/concentration camps--those are verifiable facts.

They were hardly the "resorts" you're painting them to be.

As I said, not saying she was a liar--or that none of her family members died. Many people died in that war. All I'm saying is that we're basically required to take her word for it that what happened to her is true. I'm currently questioning everything I've been told throughout my life, and my take on it is this: If it's the truth, it will stand on its own. As stated previously, I don't care what side of the narrative the truth falls on, as long as it's the truth.

 

[Countrymouse]

As I said, not saying she was a liar--or that none of her family members died. Many people died in that war. All I'm saying is that we're basically required to take her word for it that what happened to her is true. I'm currently questioning everything I've been told throughout my life, and my take on it is this: If it's the truth, it will stand on its own. As stated previously, I don't care what side of the narrative the truth falls on, as long as it's the truth.

If you will do your research, you will find that this is true. Corrie Ten Boom is QUITE well known among the evangelical Christian community--or was, in the 1970's and 80's before the church became Laodicea. She did not pass away until 1983, and wrote a number of books and devotionals, including:

• The Hiding Place (co-written with John & Elizabeth Sherrill)
• A Prisoner, and Yet...
• Tramp for the Lord (describes her travels immediately after WWII spreading the message of God's love & overcoming power)
• Father Ten Boom, God's Man
• In My Father's House (the years "before" The Hiding Place)
• The Five Silent Years of Corrie Ten Boom (the final five years of her life, after a stroke, as described by her caretaker Pamela Rosewell Moore)
• Messages of God's Abundance
• I Stand at the Door and Knock
• Reflections of God's Glory
• Clippings From My Notebook
• Defeated Enemies
• Not Good if Detached
• He Cares for You
• Each New Day
• He Sets the Captive Free
• Anywhere He Leads Me
• Amazing Love
• Plenty for Everyone
• Don't Wrestle, Just Nestle
• Corrie's Christmas Memories

I'm sure there are more; these are just the titles I have.

 

[Hfcomms]

There are plenty of WWII videos showing the liberation of the various death and work camps including the piles of bodies and bulldozers shoving them all into mass graves. Also videos of German civilians forced by the allies to go into the camps in the days immediately after the liberation to make them realize the reality of what they didn’t want to know. I’ve seen these videos before including the ones show at the Nuremberg trials with some of the Nazi’s on trial burying their faces in their hands because they didn’t want to see it. I saw these videos many years ago before A.I. became a thing.

You don’t have to look hard. Here is one: Death Mills [Todesmuehlen] : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

 

[JMG91]

There are plenty of WWII videos showing the liberation of the various death and work camps including the piles of bodies and bulldozers shoving them all into mass graves. Also videos of German civilians forced by the allies to go into the camps in the days immediately after the liberation to make them realize the reality of what they didn’t want to know. I’ve seen these videos before including the ones show at the Nuremberg trials with some of the Nazi’s on trial burying their faces in their hands because they didn’t want to see it. I saw these videos many years ago before A.I. became a thing.

You don’t have to look hard. Here is one: Death Mills [Todesmuehlen] : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

I know exactly which videos you're talking about. The media back then was just as corrupt as they are today, despite people's thoughts to the contrary because life seemed different and more pure for them back then. The thing is, the American government was just as evil as it is today--we simply didn't have access to the internet in order to do our own research back then, and people had to take the media's word for it. (Honestly, no one back then had any idea of the evils our own government was capable of, and actively engaging in.) My point being, that the media was misrepresenting things back then the same way they are now. They told us in the narration of those videos of all of the bodies being bulldozed into the mass graves that it was because the Germans were on a mission of extermination and they did that to those people intentionally, but if you know the real history behind those videos, you know that those were bodies of camp inmates who contracted typhus--the epidemic was awful. And why did they contract typhus? Because the Allies were bombing the supply lines, and they couldn't get the hygiene supplies they needed to keep the camp in clean, working order. The bodies were malnourished for the same reason.

This is simple cause and effect. If we had actually been invaded over here during WWI, and the enemy was bombing our supply lines that fed and cared for the concentration camps we had here, you would end up with the exact same situation. The only reason that our concentration camps seemed more humane is because that never happened. Our inmates continued to be fed and kept clean until the end of the war because America was never invaded. Germany was not so fortunate. I simply don't appreciate that a narrative has been spun to make Germany out to be the villain due to circumstances beyond their control. And so many pictures that came out during that time were manipulated--yes, photo manipulation has been around since the 1800s, and they were very good at it, even back then. The famous photo of the bodies lying out beside the train car was actually a photo from a train wreck in Dresden, Ohio years before. The original picture did not have the bodies in it--those were added in for effect. (You know how we're always bitching when the MSM gets caught using pictures from something else to pull on people's heart strings and manipulate public opinion? Yeah, they were doing it back then, too.)

As for those at the Nuremburg trials, I can't speak for what they've done--only God truly knows the answer to that--but we do know, through the admission of the ones who did it, that those men were tortured HORRIFICALLY into a confession. You can find the books written by those--Jews, btw, in case anyone cares--who did the torturing. One of the men, his name escapes me at the moment, was bragging in his book about how he tortured those men, and how he enjoyed it when he "broke them" and they agreed to sign the confession. That hardly sounds like circumstances that would lead to an honest confession; the kind of torture those men endured would make a person confess anything just to get it to stop.

The well-known media-made documentary that was shown at the trials was a conglomeration of video clips that were represented as being one thing, but was actually another. As an example, when referring to the 'gas chambers,' they showed a door that seemed terribly menacing--and would easily trap in gasses for an extermination chamber--but it was not the shower door that they claimed it was, it was the armory door. They spliced the two video clips together in order to make it appear to be something it wasn't. They showed video of the clothes hanging outside on hangers, and claimed that they were the clothing of those who had been gassed, but in reality, that was where they hung the clothes out after they had been decontaminated. My question is this: If things were as bad as they say, wouldn't the truth speak for itself? Why lie to make it seem worse than it actually was? Do you know how many so-called 'survivors' had to come out and admit that they lied about what happened to them? A lot more than most people would care to think about.

This time in history is shrouded by so much deception. We question everything else our government has ever told us, why not this? If there are aspects that don't add up, then they don't add up. I'm not saying that one side is inherently evil, while the other side is inherently good. Both sides committed good and evil. But Germany is painted as the ultimate evil, when in fact, that's not how it was. How many times have we seen MAGA people painted as racists simply for speaking the truth? It's terribly easy to convince generations of a specific narrative by taking some truth and lumping it in with a pile of crap. We've been taught that questioning things such as WWII is disrespectful; in other words, we don't want you looking into this, so we're going to shame you into never wanting to think twice about it. Not me, not anymore. I refuse to just take people's word for it anymore. I will read the accused's words for myself, and decide for myself. If someone who is trying to get me to believe something has already been caught lying to me, why would I believe anything else they tell me? My only desire is to try to look at things from a different perspective because it's amazing how easily perspective can be used to mislead us.

 

[JMG91]

If you will do your research, you will find that this is true. Corrie Ten Boom is QUITE well known among the evangelical Christian community--or was, in the 1970's and 80's before the church became Laodicea. She did not pass away until 1983, and wrote a number of books and devotionals, including:

• The Hiding Place (co-written with John & Elizabeth Sherrill)
• A Prisoner, and Yet...
• Tramp for the Lord (describes her travels immediately after WWII spreading the message of God's love & overcoming power)
• Father Ten Boom, God's Man
• In My Father's House (the years "before" The Hiding Place)
• The Five Silent Years of Corrie Ten Boom (the final five years of her life, after a stroke, as described by her caretaker Pamela Rosewell Moore)
• Messages of God's Abundance
• I Stand at the Door and Knock
• Reflections of God's Glory
• Clippings From My Notebook
• Defeated Enemies
• Not Good if Detached
• He Cares for You
• Each New Day
• He Sets the Captive Free
• Anywhere He Leads Me
• Amazing Love
• Plenty for Everyone
• Don't Wrestle, Just Nestle
• Corrie's Christmas Memories

I'm sure there are more; these are just the titles I have.

This is honestly not an attempt to sound snarky, CM, so I hope you won't take it that way, but just because someone is well known and has a lot of books, does not make what they've put in those books true. Again, perhaps Corrie Ten Boom is telling the honest-to-God truth, and her ministries have touched many people, and there's nothing wrong with that. But while I'm on this journey of finally examining the other side's story, everything is suspect. Again, I don't mean this with any disrespect.

I grew up being marinated in the stories, pictures, and videos from the official narrative, and assumed that everything we were taught in them was exactly how it was, but I'm now discovering that many of these were either misleading or downright fictitious. It's impossible to have 2.4 millions Jews in all of Europe at the start of the war, and end the war with 6 million Jews murdered, with 3.6 million still living. It's impossible to have people murdered by either carbon monoxide or a cyanide-based compound, and not have a report of a single cherry-red-colored body. (That last one is a well-known scientific fact that is provable and observable.) There are just too many things that don't add up. I look at it like I look at black slavery. Were there those who were treated abysmally, raped and/or murdered? Yes. Was it the majority of them? No. Just like with WWII, I grew up believing that all slavery in America looked like Roots, but the historical documentation simply doesn't bear this out. Is slavery awful? Yes. Does that mean that everyone who owned a slave was a horrible human being who treated their slaves with no human decency? No.

 

[Codeno]

I grew up being marinated in the stories, pictures, and videos from the official narrative, and assumed that everything we were taught in them was exactly how it was, but I'm now discovering that many of these were either misleading or downright fictitious.

^^^^
In my opinion, this sentence is the money quote for those of us who have realized that things are not as they seem, and that everything having to do with the historical narrative simply does not add up.

We already knew the party line, years ago, and having found numerous reasons to investigate further, are not swayed by the supposed "proofs" taken from the accepted, approved narrative. These "proofs" are precisely what didn't ring true for us, the very reason(s) that we chose to take a deeper, verifiable, serious look into things.

I personally hold a few very unpopular positions on several controversial topics, having arrived at those positions after countless hours of study, sacrificing big blocks of time to said study, time that could have been spent on any number of less intense leisurely pursuits. Part and parcel of any study of this type for those who determine to take it up, is hunting down and/or buying original source materials, some of which are quite expensive, vetting those along the way, double checking, backing up and starting over, and admitting we were wrong when that proves to be the case.

It is beyond frustrating to debate these topics with people who are armed with nothing other than the "evidence" and "proofs" that we doubted or outright rejected in the first place. It seems to be the rule rather than the exception to realize that those on the other side of the debate have refused to take even the most cursory look at what we have learned, much less give it a fair hearing or serious consideration.

As I have said in the past, those of us who now hold supposedly marginal, unpopular opinions on topics that we were compelled to study deeply, never started out hoping to be ridiculed, ostracized or regarded as unbalanced in some way, we were simply looking for the truth, which we just never found in the "party line".

 

[Hfcomms]

I know exactly which videos you're talking about. The media back then was just as corrupt as they are today, despite people's thoughts to the contrary because life seemed different and more pure for them back then. The thing is, the American government was just as evil as it is today--we simply didn't have access to the internet in order to do our own research back then, and people had to take the media's word for it. (Honestly, no one back then had any idea of the evils our own government was capable of, and actively engaging in.) My point being, that the media was misrepresenting things back then the same way they are now. They told us in the narration of those videos of all of the bodies being bulldozed into the mass graves that it was because the Germans were on a mission of extermination and they did that to those people intentionally, but if you know the real history behind those videos, you know that those were bodies of camp inmates who contracted typhus--the epidemic was awful. And why did they contract typhus? Because the Allies were bombing the supply lines, and they couldn't get the hygiene supplies they needed to keep the camp in clean, working order. The bodies were malnourished for the same reason.

This is simple cause and effect. If we had actually been invaded over here during WWI, and the enemy was bombing our supply lines that fed and cared for the concentration camps we had here, you would end up with the exact same situation. The only reason that our concentration camps seemed more humane is because that never happened. Our inmates continued to be fed and kept clean until the end of the war because America was never invaded. Germany was not so fortunate. I simply don't appreciate that a narrative has been spun to make Germany out to be the villain due to circumstances beyond their control. And so many pictures that came out during that time were manipulated--yes, photo manipulation has been around since the 1800s, and they were very good at it, even back then. The famous photo of the bodies lying out beside the train car was actually a photo from a train wreck in Dresden, Ohio years before. The original picture did not have the bodies in it--those were added in for effect. (You know how we're always bitching when the MSM gets caught using pictures from something else to pull on people's heart strings and manipulate public opinion? Yeah, they were doing it back then, too.)

As for those at the Nuremburg trials, I can't speak for what they've done--only God truly knows the answer to that--but we do know, through the admission of the ones who did it, that those men were tortured HORRIFICALLY into a confession. You can find the books written by those--Jews, btw, in case anyone cares--who did the torturing. One of the men, his name escapes me at the moment, was bragging in his book about how he tortured those men, and how he enjoyed it when he "broke them" and they agreed to sign the confession. That hardly sounds like circumstances that would lead to an honest confession; the kind of torture those men endured would make a person confess anything just to get it to stop.

The well-known media-made documentary that was shown at the trials was a conglomeration of video clips that were represented as being one thing, but was actually another. As an example, when referring to the 'gas chambers,' they showed a door that seemed terribly menacing--and would easily trap in gasses for an extermination chamber--but it was not the shower door that they claimed it was, it was the armory door. They spliced the two video clips together in order to make it appear to be something it wasn't. They showed video of the clothes hanging outside on hangers, and claimed that they were the clothing of those who had been gassed, but in reality, that was where they hung the clothes out after they had been decontaminated. My question is this: If things were as bad as they say, wouldn't the truth speak for itself? Why lie to make it seem worse than it actually was? Do you know how many so-called 'survivors' had to come out and admit that they lied about what happened to them? A lot more than most people would care to think about.

This time in history is shrouded by so much deception. We question everything else our government has ever told us, why not this? If there are aspects that don't add up, then they don't add up. I'm not saying that one side is inherently evil, while the other side is inherently good. Both sides committed good and evil. But Germany is painted as the ultimate evil, when in fact, that's not how it was. How many times have we seen MAGA people painted as racists simply for speaking the truth? It's terribly easy to convince generations of a specific narrative by taking some truth and lumping it in with a pile of crap. We've been taught that questioning things such as WWII is disrespectful; in other words, we don't want you looking into this, so we're going to shame you into never wanting to think twice about it. Not me, not anymore. I refuse to just take people's word for it anymore. I will read the accused's words for myself, and decide for myself. If someone who is trying to get me to believe something has already been caught lying to me, why would I believe anything else they tell me? My only desire is to try to look at things from a different perspective because it's amazing how easily perspective can be used to mislead us.

All the major war criminals at the Nuremberg trials plead not guilty with the exception of Speer who plead guilty with a diminished responsibility ploy which worked for him. He was sentenced to 20 years in prison along with a few others. Goring took his own life, Hess served a life sentence at Spandau and either committed suicide when he was the only one left or was executed depending on who you listened too. The rest were executed by hanging.

I’m not aware of anyone else who pled guilty so hard to imagine how any could of been tortured into a confession when all pled not guilty. Even when it came down to the judges trials all pled not guilty. Of course it is possible some of the more minor criminals such as some of the prison guards or SS people were tortured into confessions as torture is part of war but it wasn’t a factor in any of the major tribunals.

 

[rob0126]

but if you know the real history behind those videos, you know that those were bodies of camp inmates who contracted typhus--the epidemic was awful. And why did they contract typhus? Because the Allies were bombing the supply lines, and they couldn't get the hygiene supplies they needed to keep the camp in clean, working order.

The famous photo of the bodies lying out beside the train car was actually a photo from a train wreck in Dresden, Ohio years before. The original picture did not have the bodies in it--those were added in for effect.

One of the men, his name escapes me at the moment, was bragging in his book about how he tortured those men, and how he enjoyed it when he "broke them" and they agreed to sign the confession.

As an example, when referring to the 'gas chambers,' they showed a door that seemed terribly menacing--and would easily trap in gasses for an extermination chamber--but it was not the shower door that they claimed it was, it was the armory door.

Do you know how many so-called 'survivors' had to come out and admit that they lied about what happened to them?

Is there a way to gather this info, so it can be laid out in this thread, or even another?

People wont believe the wrong doings unless the evidence is presented.

It seems to be the rule rather than the exception to realize that those on the other side of the debate have refused to take even the most cursory look at what we have learned, much less give it a fair hearing or serious consideration.

Because the truth is too much to handle.
Plus, you have to admit you were dupped.

Ive had to eat crow at times but at least I learned from it.

 

[Hognutz]

 

[Hognutz]

 

[JMG91]

Is there a way to gather this info, so it can be laid out in this thread, or even another?

People wont believe the wrong doings unless the evidence is presented.



Because the truth is too much to handle.
Plus, you have to admit you were dupped.

Ive had to eat crow at times but at least I learned from it.

I've actually posted several excellent documentaries with this information in them on one or two other threads, but instead of discussion about it, I was called a neo-nazi and an anti-semite. I honestly don't even think they watched what I posted.

 

[Hognutz]

I've actually posted several excellent documentaries with this information in them on one or two other threads, but instead of discussion about it, I was called a neo-nazi and an anti-semite. I honestly don't even think they watched what I posted.

I’m to that point….

 

[Hognutz]

From Wikipedia:

The Hiding Place is an autobiographical book written by Corrie ten Boom with John and Elizabeth Sherrill. It was published in 1971.

The Sherrills came up with the idea for The Hiding Place while doing research for another book of theirs called God's Smuggler. At the time, ten Boom was already in her mid-70s. As one of van der Bijl's favorite traveling companions, ten Boom is referenced often in his recollections. In the preface to the book, the Sherrills recount:




The title refers to both the literal hiding place where the ten Boom family hid Jews from the Nazis, and also to the Scriptural message found in Psalm 119:114: "Thou art my hiding place and my shield..."[1]

Plot​

The book begins with the Ten Boom family celebrating the 100th anniversary of the family business; they sell and repair watches under the family's elderly father, Casper ten Boom. The business takes up the ground floor of the family home, known as the Béjé. Casper lives with his two unmarried daughters; Corrie, the narrator and a watchmaker herself, and Betsie, who takes care of the house. It seems as if everyone in the Dutch town of Haarlem has shown up to the party, including Corrie's sister Nollie, her brother Willem, and her nephews Peter and Kik. Willem, a minister in the Dutch Reformed Church, brings a Jewish man, who has just escaped from Germany. The man's beard has been burned off by some thugs, a grim reminder of what was happening just to the east of the Netherlands.

In the next few chapters, Corrie talks about her childhood, her infirm, but glad-hearted mother, and the three aunts who once lived in the Béjé. Additionally, she talks about the only man she ever loved: a young man named Karel, who ultimately married a woman from a rich family.

Eventually, both Nollie and Willem marry. And after the deaths of Corrie's mother and aunts, Casper, Corrie and Betsie, settle down into a pleasant domestic life. Later, in 1940, the Nazis invade the Netherlands.

Having strong morals based on Christian beliefs, the family feels obligated to help the Jews in every way possible. The Béjé soon becomes the centre of a major anti-Nazi operation. Corrie, who had grown to think of herself as a middle-aged spinster, becomes entangled in black market operations, uses stolen ration cards, and eventually hides Jews in her own home.

Corrie suffers a moral crisis over the lying, theft, forgery, and bribery that are necessary to keep the Jews that her family is hiding. Moreover, it is unlikely that her family will get away with helping Jews for long, as they have no where to hide them. The Dutch underground arranges for a secret room to be built in the Béjé so that the Jews will have a place to hide during an inevitable raid.

It is a constant struggle for Corrie to keep the Jews safe; she sacrifices her own safety and her personal room to give constant safety to the Jews. Rolf, a friend who is a police officer, trains her to be able to think clearly any time when the Nazis invade her home and start to question her.

When a man asks Corrie to help his wife who had been arrested, Corrie agrees, but with reservation. As it turns out, the man was a spy and the watch shop is raided. The entire family is arrested, along with the shop employees, but the Jews manage to stay hidden in the secret room.

Casper is now in his mid-80s, and a Nazi official offers to let him go if he agrees to cause no more trouble. Casper does not agree and states that if he is set free, he will return home and help the first person who asks him for it. For this, Casper is shipped off to prison. It is later learned that he died ten days later.

Meanwhile, Corrie was sent to Scheveningen, a Dutch prison nicknamed '"Oranjehotel"', a hotel for people loyal to the House of Orange. She later learned that her sister is being held in another cell and that, aside from her father, all of her family members and friends have been released. A coded letter from Nollie reveals that the hidden Jews are safe. At Scheveningen, Corrie befriends a depressed Nazi officer. He arranges a brief meeting with her family under the pretense of reading Casper's will. Corrie is horrified to see how ill Willem is, as he contracted jaundice in prison and would later die in 1946. Corrie also learned that her nephew, Kik, was captured while he worked for the Dutch underground. He is later killed, but the family does not learn about his misfortune until 1953.

After four months at Scheveningen, Corrie and Betsie are transferred to Vught, a concentration camp for political prisoners in the Netherlands. Corrie is assigned to a factory that makes radios for aircraft. The work is not hard, and the prisoner-foreman, Mr. Moorman, is kind. Betsie, whose health is starting to fail, is sent to work sewing prison uniforms.

When a counteroffensive against the Nazis seems imminent, the prisoners are shipped by train to Germany, where they are imprisoned at Ravensbrück, a notorious women's concentration camp. The conditions there are hellish; both Corrie and Betsie are forced to perform backbreaking manual labour. It is at Ravensbruck that Betsie's health completely fails. Throughout the ordeal, Corrie is amazed at her sister's faith. In every camp, the sisters use a hidden Bible to teach their fellow prisoners about Jesus.

In Ravensbrück, where there is only hatred and misery, Corrie finds it hard to look to Heaven. Betsie, however, shows a universal love for everyone: not only the prisoners, but also their guards. Instead of feeling anger and hatred, Betsie pities the Germans and is sorrowful that they are blinded by their loathing. She yearns to show them the love of Christ, but dies before the war is over. Corrie is later released because of a clerical error, but she is forced to stay in a hospital barracks while she recovers from edema. Corrie arrives back in the Netherlands by January 1945.

After the armistice, Corrie works with persecuted victims as well as the Nazis themselves who were scarred by the war.

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Here’s what I don’t get, the math, math don’t lie. Does it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875295518278218087

View: https://twitter.com/badazn/status/1875295518278218087?s=61

 

[Countrymouse]

This is honestly not an attempt to sound snarky, CM, so I hope you won't take it that way, but just because someone is well known and has a lot of books, does not make what they've put in those books true. Again, perhaps Corrie Ten Boom is telling the honest-to-God truth, and her ministries have touched many people, and there's nothing wrong with that. But while I'm on this journey of finally examining the other side's story, everything is suspect. Again, I don't mean this with any disrespect.

I grew up being marinated in the stories, pictures, and videos from the official narrative, and assumed that everything we were taught in them was exactly how it was, but I'm now discovering that many of these were either misleading or downright fictitious. It's impossible to have 2.4 millions Jews in all of Europe at the start of the war, and end the war with 6 million Jews murdered, with 3.6 million still living. It's impossible to have people murdered by either carbon monoxide or a cyanide-based compound, and not have a report of a single cherry-red-colored body. (That last one is a well-known scientific fact that is provable and observable.) There are just too many things that don't add up. I look at it like I look at black slavery. Were there those who were treated abysmally, raped and/or murdered? Yes. Was it the majority of them? No. Just like with WWII, I grew up believing that all slavery in America looked like Roots, but the historical documentation simply doesn't bear this out. Is slavery awful? Yes. Does that mean that everyone who owned a slave was a horrible human being who treated their slaves with no human decency? No.

You know, we've been personal friends, but I'm sorry-- you don't know what you're talking about here.

No matter what first-person accounts or evidence are presented to you that your ideas are incorrect, you reject ALL of them with questions about the truthfulness of the person telling their first-person account or the deceptiveness of the media.

I know you want to believe the fantasy that Hitler was a misunderstood hero and that there were no death camps / concentration camps. (And by the way, there were 9 million Jews in Europe at the start of WW II, not 2.4.)

Those lies--along with the lie of re-defining Jews as not being Jews so as to justify HATING them-- seem to be two of Satan's strongest deceptions now as we approach the days of the ANTICHRIST---who will 'try' to destroy the last of the Jewish people altogether. If I didn't see this developing right before my eyes, I wouldn't believe it. But now I see how this doctrine of demons is opening the door for the deceptions of the last days.

And it saddens me to learn this. I had thought better of you.

I have known of Corrie ten Boom since I've been in high school, and saw her speak at Billy Graham Crusades.

To impugn her character as a liar / deceiver, before you even check out the sources I recommended -- merely so you can cling to your fantasy -- is incredible to me, and unworthy of you.

I gave you the list of books so you could do research, and see for yourself that even before WWII ENDED Corrie Ten Boom was giving her testimony of her camp experiences, and that after the war she set up "camps" to HEAL people wounded psychologically by the war--one for Jewish victims returning from concentration camps--and others IN GERMANY for the relief of German families who had lost everything in the war.

To BOTH sides, without prejudice, Corrie was bringing the overcoming news of JESUS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS.

Which is the ONLY hope of peace.

And those how harbor HATRED in their hearts--against ANYONE, for ANY excuse--are NOT. HIS.

I reject wholly this doctrine of Satan. If you can't recognize it for what it is any other way, ask yourself--does it FIT with what our FATHER said---that is is IMPOSSIBLE to LOVE GOD and simultaneously HATE your brother (made in God's image)? Does it FIT with JESUS' statement that "If you do not forgive others, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN FORGIVE YOU?" Or is this a 'religion' of hatred, exclusion, and violence? "By their fruits you shall know them."

If you reject me also, over this, so be it. It makes me sad if so. But I hold to God's word ("God said it, I believe it, that settles it") and until God decides to remove Romans 9-11 (especially 11) from His Word, I will not deny it or Him.

 

[Countrymouse]

Here’s what I don’t get, the math, math don’t lie. Does it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1875295518278218087

View: https://twitter.com/badazn/status/1875295518278218087?s=61

What you posted makes no sense at all.

Are you trying to say Corrie wasn't old enough to have been in the camps?

The book was published in 71---but she was 91 when she died in 1983--meaning she was born in 1892, and was in her 50's when she was sent to German prisons and later to concentration camps.

 

[Hognutz]

What you posted makes no sense at all.

Are you trying to say Corrie wasn't old enough to have been in the camps?

The book was published in 71---but she was 91 when she died in 1983--meaning she was born in 1892, and was in her 50's when she was sent to German prisons and later to concentration camps.

 

[Countrymouse]

I fail to see what's so funny. You responded to my post with something that had nothing to do with Corrie ten Boom but mentioned "mathematics"---and I said your post "doesn't make sense."

It still doesn't make sense.

 

[Teeja]

Wow, Countrymouse, you just don't get basic logic. Any normal, unbiased person could easily see that the point was NOT "Corrie wasn't old enough to have been in the camps", but RATHER, the sheer NUMBER of Jews claimed to have been killed in the camps was an impossibility, based upon the facts.

In other words, the "SIX-MILLION" Jews claimed to have been killed was a LIE. No doubt many Jews died during the war, as did those of every other race and/or religion under the sun. But DEATH does not equate to MURDER. The numbers, in other words, DON'T ADD UP.

 

[Hognutz]

Wow, Countrymouse, you just don't get basic logic. Any normal, unbiased person could easily see that the point was NOT "Corrie wasn't old enough to have been in the camps", but RATHER, the sheer NUMBER of Jews claimed to have been killed in the camps was an impossibility, based upon the facts.

In other words, the "SIX-MILLION" Jews claimed to have been killed was a LIE.

This CM. Basic math… A 5th grader should get it. But obviously not someone drinking the propaganda kool-aid……

 

[Hognutz]

 

[Hognutz]

Wow, Countrymouse, you just don't get basic logic. Any normal, unbiased person could easily see that the point was NOT "Corrie wasn't old enough to have been in the camps", but RATHER, the sheer NUMBER of Jews claimed to have been killed in the camps was an impossibility, based upon the facts.

In other words, the "SIX-MILLION" Jews claimed to have been killed was a LIE. No doubt many Jews died during the war, as did those of every other race and/or religion under the sun. But DEATH does not equate to MURDER. The numbers, in other words, DON'T ADD UP.

Correct, if they lie about that, what else they lied about….?

 

[Hfcomms]

This gentleman can't even do basic math so I don't think you would want to use him as a proof text. 6,000,000 jews divided by 2,626,440 minutes is 2.281 jews per minute so eminently doable. Poor guy only missed by three decimal points.

 

[greysage]

It is a sad a frustrating thing how Americans and white people won't stand up for the own race and nation, but choose to champion, fawn-over, fight for a people/group that hates Americans and white people. People that have hijacked our nation as their own murderous criminal enterprise and parasitic wealth capturing operation. They're literally under an elaborate, lifelong black magic spell.

 

[Countrymouse]

This CM. Basic math… A 5th grader should get it. But obviously not someone drinking the propaganda kool-aid……

He quoted MY post--which said NOTHING about "#s of Jews killed".

So I'm supposed to get what he's talking about when I'm discussing Corrie Ten Boom and he's discussing an entirely different subject?

Thank you, by the way, for your polite and gentlemanly style of response / debate, "TEACHER".

 

[Countrymouse]

It is a sad a frustrating thing how Americans and white people won't stand up for the own race and nation, but choose to champion, fawn-over, fight for a people/group that hates Americans and white people. People that have hijacked our nation as their own murderous criminal enterprise and parasitic wealth capturing operation. They're literally under an elaborate, lifelong black magic spell.

Thank you for at least being HONEST enough to come out with the REAL reason for all the hate.

I appreciate honesty.

 

[Hognutz]

This gentleman can't even do basic math so I don't think you would want to use him as a proof text. 6,000,000 jews divided by 2,626,440 minutes is 2.281 jews per minute so eminently doable. Poor guy only missed by three decimal points.





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He put comma instead of decimal….

 

[greysage]

Thank you for at least being HONEST enough to come out with the REAL reason for all the hate.

I appreciate honesty.

What was I honest about? What is the real reason? You throw around the word hate like a progressive.

 

[Teeja]

He put comma instead of decimal….

Correct. Many places in the world use a comma in place of a decimal. See here.

That said, the quote is somewhat deceptive, based upon that comma usage. We don't need to use it to support the fact that the so-called "murder rate" of Jews is so large that it was physically impossible to carry out the murder of six million Jews in the "death camps" during the war years.

 

[Knoxville's Joker]

Correct. Many places in the world use a comma in place of a decimal. See here.

That said, the quote is somewhat deceptive, based upon that comma usage. We don't need to use it to support the fact that the so-called "murder rate" of Jews is so large that it was physically impossible to carry out the murder of six million Jews in the "death camps" during the war years.

The numbers when you dig into things are twisted. But when you start down the rabbit hole, it gets a little mind warping. I would only say the numbers are slightly off, not significantly off.

 

[JMG91]

You know, we've been personal friends, but I'm sorry-- you don't know what you're talking about here.

No matter what first-person accounts or evidence are presented to you that your ideas are incorrect, you reject ALL of them with questions about the truthfulness of the person telling their first-person account or the deceptiveness of the media.

I know you want to believe the fantasy that Hitler was a misunderstood hero and that there were no death camps / concentration camps. (And by the way, there were 9 million Jews in Europe at the start of WW II, not 2.4.)

Those lies--along with the lie of re-defining Jews as not being Jews so as to justify HATING them-- seem to be two of Satan's strongest deceptions now as we approach the days of the ANTICHRIST---who will 'try' to destroy the last of the Jewish people altogether. If I didn't see this developing right before my eyes, I wouldn't believe it. But now I see how this doctrine of demons is opening the door for the deceptions of the last days.

And it saddens me to learn this. I had thought better of you.

I have known of Corrie ten Boom since I've been in high school, and saw her speak at Billy Graham Crusades.

To impugn her character as a liar / deceiver, before you even check out the sources I recommended -- merely so you can cling to your fantasy -- is incredible to me, and unworthy of you.

I gave you the list of books so you could do research, and see for yourself that even before WWII ENDED Corrie Ten Boom was giving her testimony of her camp experiences, and that after the war she set up "camps" to HEAL people wounded psychologically by the war--one for Jewish victims returning from concentration camps--and others IN GERMANY for the relief of German families who had lost everything in the war.

To BOTH sides, without prejudice, Corrie was bringing the overcoming news of JESUS LOVE AND FORGIVENESS.

Which is the ONLY hope of peace.

And those how harbor HATRED in their hearts--against ANYONE, for ANY excuse--are NOT. HIS.

I reject wholly this doctrine of Satan. If you can't recognize it for what it is any other way, ask yourself--does it FIT with what our FATHER said---that is is IMPOSSIBLE to LOVE GOD and simultaneously HATE your brother (made in God's image)? Does it FIT with JESUS' statement that "If you do not forgive others, NEITHER WILL YOUR FATHER IN HEAVEN FORGIVE YOU?" Or is this a 'religion' of hatred, exclusion, and violence? "By their fruits you shall know them."

If you reject me also, over this, so be it. It makes me sad if so. But I hold to God's word ("God said it, I believe it, that settles it") and until God decides to remove Romans 9-11 (especially 11) from His Word, I will not deny it or Him.

You are correct on the 9 million figure; the 2.4 million figure that I posted was Jews in Soviet Russia, I believe.

I do not appreciate you putting words into my mouth that I have never said--in fact, I have specified multiple times that I believe the opposite. I have never said that Hitler was a misunderstood hero, nor that there were no concentration camps. Nor do I appreciate the personal attacks against me or my faith simply because I choose to look at ALL documentation now, and not just the documentation that was placed in front of me from a young age. I am not sure where you got the idea that I hate Jews from, but any enmity I feel for them stems from my hatred of the injustices they inflict on so many others that they believe to be inferior to themselves--which we know from Christ's words, is not true. They hate the Messiah, whom I love; if they were to come to faith in Christ, I would welcome them with open arms, but I will not ignore their current child sex trafficking, murdering, and political machinations--which they justify by the Talmud.

If searching for the truth, and discarding information that is found to be false, as well as calling out those who bully and torment others makes me a proponent of satanic doctrines, then I suppose I am a heretic, according to your interpretation of Scripture--and so be it.

 

[Countrymouse]

You are correct on the 9 million figure; the 2.4 million figure that I posted was Jews in Soviet Russia, I believe.

I do not appreciate you putting words into my mouth that I have never said--in fact, I have specified multiple times that I believe the opposite. I have never said that Hitler was a misunderstood hero, nor that there were no concentration camps. Nor do I appreciate the personal attacks against me or my faith simply because I choose to look at ALL documentation now, and not just the documentation that was placed in front of me from a young age. I am not sure where you got the idea that I hate Jews from, but any enmity I feel for them stems from my hatred of the injustices they inflict on so many others that they believe to be inferior to themselves--which we know from Christ's words, is not true. They hate the Messiah, whom I love; if they were to come to faith in Christ, I would welcome them with open arms, but I will not ignore their current child sex trafficking, murdering, and political machinations--which they justify by the Talmud.

If searching for the truth, and discarding information that is found to be false, as well as calling out those who bully and torment others makes me a proponent of satanic doctrines, then I suppose I am a heretic, according to your interpretation of Scripture--and so be it.

I disagree that "the Talmud" at all justifies child-trafficking, murdering, and political machinations. Also, Jews have the same sin nature as we do and so are just as capable of committing the same sins as many other ethnic / political groups have done all done through the centuries.

It was your own words, zero-ing on the Jews as if they were somehow to be singled out as more particularly evil than other ethnic-groups, that made me believe you had a deep dislike for them. Your own words above confirm this. Why, of all the evil peoples of the world--is it this one group you focus in on as the vortex of all evil?

And your own words confuse me, for every time I tried to give a live-witness proof that Hitler's camps were in fact death-camps, you began to immediately discount the truth of these eye-witnesses. This is not the behavior of one seeking the truth, but rather of one whose mind is already made up and who is saying "Prove to me that I'm wrong!"

I have known many Jewish people personally. I know some proud Jewish people, and some very humble Jewish people. I know some weak and not-very-smart Jewish people, and some brilliant Jewish people. I know some selfish and hard-hearted Jewish people who care only for themselves and their own interests, and some generous-hearted Jewish people who would give you the shirt off their backs.

I even know one Jewish Person who'd lay down His life for you. (and did).


And I can say based on my own personal experience that all normal human-only Jewish People (excepting only the One who was also simultaneously the Son of God) are JUST. LIKE. ANY. OF. US. (or to put it more personally--just like YOU)--they are fallible, sinful, sons and daughters of Adam and Eve for whom my Savior died, and whom He came to save--just like He did us.

And if we claim to love HIM--

then why are the ones saying Jews are SO EVIL on this thread not getting OUT THERE and trying to SAVE THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL--like Jesus TOLD us to do?

 

[Teeja]

then why are the ones saying Jews are SO EVIL on this thread not getting OUT THERE and trying to SAVE THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL--like Jesus TOLD us to do?

I am doing exactly that. I have compassion on those deceived Jews who need to reject Jewish fables and come to the only ONE who can save them from their sins. I go soul-winning on nearly a weekly basis, preaching the Gospel to the unsaved.

I believe physical Israel and spiritual Israel are two completely separate things, and that the physical political manifestation of the state of Israel is in error and is performing evil acts. But that does not make me a monster. I still believe that if any Jew (or Gentile) will trust in the Only One who can save them, they will become spiritual Jews and therefore will enter into Heaven when they die.

But again, what we're talking about in this thread is Hitler and his speech. Hitler wasn't a true Christian, and he wasn't perfect by a long shot-- but he wasn't the monster that many here falsely claim him to be. That's what we're all saying here.