OP-ED A Military Coup in the U.S.? A Surprising Number of Americans Might Support One

WildDaisy

God has a plan, Trust it!
I dont think a military coup is the right option. When the military takes over, what freedoms will go? Who gets put in leadership roles? Will "We the People" matter anymore? Will it be worse than we have now? What kind of chaos will ensue when the military takes over the three systems? Will they go away? Will states lose their power? Will the people?
 

Mr. Peabody

Veteran Member
Heres another option, highly improbable, but there could be merit:

The mil could ensure that the public is safe from outside/foreign interference during the states "throwing off the tyrants" period. The states would go back to exactly what was intended when they joined the Union.

The mil could help ensure that the gangs are exterminated using their tech and equipment. The mil will secure the borders. The mil could squash the likes of Black Panthers and Al-Fuqra violent outbreaks which would be mainly in the urban areas. Out here in the sticks we don't need to bother the mil to deal with this. We got it.

Local Sheriffs can institute their own posse comitatus with civilians and some mil, the mil can have whatever missions the states give them. Law will be dealt with by the states as intended during this period. I would expect a 90 day grace period to allow people to get out of their state if they foresee it being a total shit hole like CA, NY, NJ. I think IL and some other states would quickly heal themselves and return to the Constitution.

As for those that need to be held responsible, the CIA and FBI can quit harassing the Tea Party types and be turned lose on America's real enemies. These include the banksters and foreigners that had their hand in the Marxist scheme.

There can be a very well instituted return to the Constitution with the mil support. Our forefathers were smart enough to figure out an entire new government, why the hell can't Cruz, Levin, Trump, Scalia and of course my fave-Lt Col Allen West come up with a transitional plan to get back to the original frame of the Constitution that must include the mil. Certain Amendments could be readdressed. Certain acts and laws would be brought up for immediate reversal. Certain SC justices would be tried by jury. Many politicians would be tried by jury. Holy house cleaning Batman, this could be the great healing!

OK, my dream is over. Back to reality. Lock and load. Sighted in, dope cards verified this week and mags stacked. Bring it.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As longgas it is to restore The Constitutional Republic......ok.

A military junta? Not so much.

This a very short time to hit the constitutional reset button and then the military officers involved at the highest levels retire. After their ticker tape parade and each getting a shot on man seat on Out Numbered on Fox.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
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http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...-u-s-support-a-military-takeover-of-our-gov-t

Monday, 14 September 2015

Do Nearly a Third in U.S. Support a Military Takeover of Our Government?

Written by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D.
Comments 4

Earlier this month, West Point law professor William Bradford was forced to resign after a paper of his published in the National Security Law Journal in July suggested that “scholars” who oppose the war on terror are “treasonous” and should be detained by the government and perhaps be targeted as “unlawful enemy combatants.”

In another article entitled “Alea Iacta Est: The U.S. Coup of 2017,” Bradford posited that the military may have an obligation to overthrow the civil government if it acts contrary to the best interest of the country.

While that may sound like an extreme position — and likely is — results of a recent survey suggest that many Americans may agree with the spirit of Bradford’s Seven Days in May scenario.

British-based YouGov published the results of a poll it conducted earlier this month, and the findings are creating quite a furor online. For example, here’s how Daily Caller reported the results: "For many Americans, a coup in which the military seizes control of the federal government is starting to seem like a refreshing alternative to the existing administration, according to a new poll."

While it is true that the survey’s findings suggest that there are a good number of Americans who admire the military and hold elected officials in low regard, the details are a bit less bellicose than the Internet-based media are reporting.

For example, regarding the public’s support for a military coup, the YouGov poll asked 1,000 adults the following question: “Is there any situation in which you could imagine yourself supporting the U.S. military taking over the powers of federal government?”

Results of answers to that question reveal that 29 percent of respondents said “yes.”

That’s hardly the pro-military takeover mandate being trumpeted by many outlets.

A bit more curious is the response to the next question on the poll: “If elected leaders of the federal government began to violate the Constitution would you support or oppose the military stepping in to take control of the federal government?”

To that hypothetical, 43 percent of respondents answered in the affirmative. Other answers were equally interesting, especially in light of the majorities who apparently support a very expansive role for the U.S. armed forces in domestic affairs.

When asked if “the military has a duty to protect the Constitution against domestic enemies?” 72 percent of those polled said that it does.

It’s difficult to square this reported opinion with another poll wherein a majority of Americans support the use of drones to kill alleged enemies of the United States.

Killing anyone — even a supposed “terrorist” — without due process of law, is unconstitutional and thus according to the results of the YouGov poll, 72 percent of Americans would support the refusal by military commanders to fire a missile at a target who has not been found guilty of a crime.

The YouGov poll did ask a question related to this situation, however. “Should active duty members of the U.S. military always follow orders from their military superiors, even if they feel that those orders are unconstitutional?” respondents were asked.

Thirty-nine percent of those surveyed said that members of the armed forces of the United States should not follow unconstitutional orders.

Confusing.

Who is the arbiter of constitutional and unconstitutional? That is the most relevant question, and one that is not asked.

Americans don’t need a poll to tell them that the federal government considers itself “the decider” of what is within or without their power.

If that’s true, however, what purpose would the 10th Amendment serve? Even the most sanguine political observer would admit that the federal government could, would, and does rule that its every act is constitutional.

This is the case today, and the consolidators genuinely believe that there is nothing they can’t do, no law they can’t pass, and no individual or government entity that can prevent them from enforcing the thousands of fiats masquerading as laws.

If we don’t change our ways, soon we will learn that the loss of liberty is the worst of all possible fates and it always has and always will await the ignorant and the apathetic. There is not a party on Capitol Hill that supports the application of the 10th Amendment to questions of constitutional conformity.

In fact, both major political parties prefer keeping themselves in control of questions of whether authority to pass this or that legislation is provided for in the enumerated powers assigned to the federal government in the federal government.

As a result, Washington considers the states nothing more than administrative subordinates whose continued existence is tolerated only so long as they faithfully facilitate the execution of the millions of mandates of the multitude of federal programs.

The checks and balances of the Constitution and the separation of powers provided therein are meant to be the first layers of defense against tyranny, not the last or the only as the statists would have you believe. The people acting through their state governments are the final levee protecting the people as individuals from drowning under the flood of unconstitutional federal laws, regulations, and mandates.

States unwilling to be reduced to subordinates, subjects, and slaves must take as their motto: Sovereignty is not secession, rejection is not revolution, and nullification is not negation of the union.

For now, though, it seems Americans would rather respond to polls of no import than take the opportunity given them every two years to replace these congressmen that a reported 71 percent of those polled believe act in a way that benefits themselves personally rather than the country at large.

Voters committed to holding their representatives accountable for their fidelity to the oath they swear to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic” could fire those who depart from this obligation every two years and send others to fill the chairs of the unfaithful.

Furthermore, state legislators who consider themselves lawmakers rather than proxies for their colleagues in Washington, D.C., could foment real revolution without ever firing a shot.

As it stands, participating in polls is a substitute for substantive participation in the political process.

And, although Daily Caller reports that “the survey results revealed a clear political divide. Republicans were more than twice as likely to rate a potential coup more highly than Democrats, with the two parties polling 43 percent and 20 percent, respectively,” there seems to be a tacit agreement among Americans to relinquish their power over their government and a corresponding consensus among their elected officials to ignore constitutional limits on their authority.

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Almost A Third Of Americans Could Imagine Supporting A Military Coup In The US

Jonah Bennett, Reporter
11:07 AM 09/11/2015

For many Americans, a coup in which the military seizes control of the federal government is starting to seem like a refreshing alternative to the existing administration, according to a new poll.

Conducted by YouGov, a new survey has found that 29 percent of Americans could imagine a scenario where they would support a military takeover in the United States. A total of 41 percent could not imagine supporting such an event. And so while the coup-supporters are still decidedly in the minority, the fact that the option polls so highly is remarkable. This translates to 70 million Americans who are potentially ready to support a coup.

The survey results revealed a clear political divide. Republicans were more than twice as likely to rate a potential coup more highly than Democrats, with the two parties polling 43 percent and 20 percent, respectively.

Part of the suspected reason for fondness towards a U.S. coup is that military officers consistently garner more public support than politicians. From the same survey, 70 percent of respondents think that officers want what’s best for America, compared to just 12 percent who think the same of members of Congress—a major disparity. In fact, 71 percent of respondents believe that members of Congress only want what’s best for themselves. Local politicians don’t fare much better at 59 percent.

While federal civil servants don’t perform as poorly as local politicians, 37 percent believe that they want what’s best for themselves, and only 22 percent think that civil servants have the best interests of the country at heart.

Police officers, in comparison, are viewed similarly to the military, though not quite as positively. A total of 55 percent of respondents think police officers want the best for the country, with 24 percent holding that these officers just want what’s good for them.

Talk of a military coup in the U.S. recently prompted renewed discussion after a professor at West Point was recently forced to resign following revelations that he authored several controversial articles. In one of those articles, titled “Alea Iacta Est: The U.S. Coup of 2017,” he argued that military officers, far from simply having the right to overthrow the government, may have a duty to do so if the federal government acts against the best interests of the country.
 
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Bullwinkle

Membership Revoked
Don't you think it is desirable to have major highways, a city sewer system, a city water system, maybe airports, and possibly other things that benefit many people that could only be paid for with some kind of a tax system? Though personally I would have no problem living the rest of my life without those things.

Everything can be done though voluntary cooperation and the free market.
No government worker built a road. The Contractor builds the road. Roads were Federalized in about 1922.
There were many paved roads and highways build with private funds before that.
If you want to travel, get raw materials for your project, get your product to market, or any similar, you have created a need.
Some entrepreneur will fill that need. If you look around, you will find that you are using the free market all the time.
Government just gets in the way. L. Neal Smith, a Libertarian fiction writer calculated we would all be 8 times wealthier with out government.
Even if he is wrong by half, there is plenty of wealth to get anything done. I really think he is right that with out government
holding innovation back, we could be mining the asteroid belt.
Look at your bible. The Israelites were free after they came out of Egypt. They have a fine system of trade and cooperation.
Justice was handled by a village elder. The trouble started when the elite stirred the people to call for a king. Samuel warned them what would happen.
The government sucked the life out of the country. You were taught wrong about the phrase "And they did what was right in their own eyes".
Everything was permissible until it violated another's rights. That is the way it should be today.

There is so much more. You just have to break from that government sponsored propaganda.

I just read your comment again.
Where is my flying car?
It would have been here years ago if it wasn't for government arbitrary rules stopping it.
Private security and a reworking of an insurance system would be much more people friendly.

Anarchy is not chaos. Anarchy is a society with rules but no rulers. Voluntary rules hold a community together.
If you do not like them, you are free to leave. The government actually protect the industrial polluters.
In a free market, an industrialist will take care of the environment or the people will shut him down or worse.

I do not have all the answers. You can dream up your own solutions and they could be much better than mine
without someone having a gun to your head.

Military rule would not end. A replacement government will always be much worse. It has been that way through out history.
 
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