CRIME 4 Students Found Dead Near University Of Idaho - Male Suspect Arrested In Pennsylvania - Post #566
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Updated on: November 15, 2022 / 10:08 PM
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Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson said he understands that the police claims that the public isn't at imminent risk seem contradictory to the facts that have been released so far about the killings.
"Obviously, there's no way police can say that there's no risk, but what they're seeing indicates that there's not a risk that this person will randomly attack people," Thompson said, noting that it's also not yet clear if it was one attacker or more.
"I don't think they're going to foreclose the possibility that it could be one or more people, but right now they don't know who is responsible," Thompson said.
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Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson said he understands that the police claims that the public isn't at imminent risk seem contradictory to the facts that have been released so far about the killings.
"Obviously, there's no way police can say that there's no risk, but what they're seeing indicates that there's not a risk that this person will randomly attack people," Thompson said, noting that it's also not yet clear if it was one attacker or more.
"I don't think they're going to foreclose the possibility that it could be one or more people, but right now they don't know who is responsible," Thompson said.
4 University of Idaho students were likely killed with an "edged weapon," police say; no suspects in custody
Officials said all four students, who were found dead inside a home near campus on Sunday, are considered victims in the case.
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jward
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I' d like to know more about the other two friends who were there earlier that evening. At this juncture, it doesn't bear that much resemblance to the Wichita killings- more some of of those stranger stalker events, like the nurses who were being raped and murdered fourty or fifty years ago.
Any gangs, cartels or an uptick in sexual assault activity in that area?
Any gangs, cartels or an uptick in sexual assault activity in that area?
jward
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Killer who fatally stabbed 4 University of Idaho students still at large; victim had posted she was "one lucky girl" hours before death
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November 16, 2022 / 6:56 AM / CBS/AP
The killer - or killers - who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death remained at large early Wednesday, prompting many students to leave the campus in the idyllic small town despite police assurances that there was no imminent risk to the community. Meanwhile, photos and messages on Instagram show the four as close-knit, longstanding friends, with one victim recently writing she was "one lucky girl to be surrounded by these people."
Many students had left the scenic tree-lined campus in Moscow, Idaho, by Tuesday. A vigil for the slain students set for this week was postponed until after the school's fall break next week, University of Idaho spokesman Kyle Pfannenstiel told CBS News on Tuesday.
The students, all close friends, were found dead in an off-campus rental home around noon on Sunday, and officials said they likely were killed several hours earlier. Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told the Spokane, Washington-based television station KXLY that her preliminary investigation showed the students were stabbed to death. There is no indication that substance use was involved in the deaths, Mabbutt said.
The Moscow Police Department has not said whether investigators have identified any suspects, but maintained in a statement that the killings came in "an isolated, targeted attack and there is no imminent threat to the community at large." Police also said evidence from the scene indicates there is no broader risk, but provided no information about that evidence.
"We determined early in the investigation that we do not believe there is an ongoing threat for community members," the department said in a statement Tuesday . "Evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack."
Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson said he understands that the police claims that the public isn't at imminent risk seems contradictory to the facts that have been released so far about the killings.
"Obviously, there's no way police can say that there's no risk, but what they're seeing indicates that there's not a risk that this person will randomly attack people," Thompson said, noting that it's also not yet clear if it was one attacker or more.
"I don't think they're going to foreclose the possibility that it could be one or more people, but right now they don't know who is responsible," Thompson said.
The police department said investigators were working to establish a timeline of the victims' activities before they were killed. That includes reviewing video from a Twitch livestream that showed two of the victims chatting and getting a late night snack from a food truck in the hours before the slayings, said Thompson.
"They're in the process of identifying the other people who were there," at the food truck, Thompson said, "and what sort of contact did they have."
Autopsies scheduled for Wednesday could provide more information about the slayings.
Investigators were "following all leads and identifying persons of interest" in the case, the police statement said.
Police responding to a report of an unconscious person at the home Sunday discovered the students' bodies. The victims were identified as Ethan Chapin, a 20-year-old from Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, a 21-year-old from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, from Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, from Rathdrum, Idaho. Authorities have not described which of the victims lived in the home.
Kernodle's sister, Jazzmin Kernodle, wrote in a text to the AP that her family was confused and anxiously waiting for updates from the investigation.
"Xana was so happy and loved, and it breaks my heart," Jazzmin Kernodle wrote. The other students were also amazing people, she said, and her sister was lucky to have them in her life.
"She was so lighthearted, and always lifted up a room. She made me such a proud big sister, and I wish I could have had more time with her," she wrote. "She had so much life left to live."
All the victims were members of sororities or fraternities. Kernodle and Chapin were dating.
In one post, Kernodle wished Chapin a happy birthday, writing, "life is so much better with you in it, love you!" The caption was accompanied by a photo of Chapin in a chef's hat with Kernodle on his shoulders and wearing mouse ears.
Several weeks ago, Goncalves posted a series of photos showing her and Mogan growing up together. "I wouldn't have wanted anyone else to be the main character in all my childhood stories," she wrote.
"I love you more than life! My best friend forever and more," Mogen replied.
Another photo, apparently posted hours before they died, showed the four smiling and posing, seemingly carefree, along with two other friends. Chapin had his arm draped over Kernodle's shoulders, and Mogen was perched on Gonclaves' shoulders.
"One lucky girl to be surrounded by these people every day," Goncalves wrote.
The family of Goncalves released an emotional statement about the loss of their daughter and sister, according to CBS affiliate KREM-TV.
"Kaylee was, is, and will always be our defender and protector," wrote the family, in part. "... She did absolutely everything she set her mind to. She didn't hold back on love, fights, or life."
Signs of the community's grief and uncertainty were scattered throughout the small farming town on Tuesday. Moscow has about 26,000 residents but that population swells by about 11,000 when the students arrive.
A makeshift memorial with flowers, candles and notes was set up on a table in front of the Mad Greek restaurant in downtown Moscow where Kernodle and Mogen had worked. Four white pillar candles, each inscribed with the name of a slain student, burned in the center of the table.
The restaurant's owner wrote on Facebook that Mad Greek would close for a few days so staffers, friends and family could grieve "this incredible loss."
"Xana and Maddie have been servers here for several years and brought so much joy to our restaurant and all of those they encountered," the owner, Jackie Fischer, wrote. "You will be greatly missed. Thank you for being a part of our family/team, and for helping me so much over the years."
A flag flew at half-staff before the Sigma Chi fraternity, where Chapin was a member, just a short walk from the home where the four died.
The six-bedroom rental home remained surrounded by crime scene tape on Tuesday but had little sign of activity inside. A Latah County Sheriff's deputy stood guard near the driveway, and Idaho State Police officers were also at the scene.
Moscow police Captain Anthony Dahlinger said police were "trying to identify a suspect" but would not say if investigators had anyone in mind.
"These things are dynamic and constantly changing," Dahlinger said.
The University of Idaho canceled classes on Monday and said additional security staffers would be available to walk students across campus. Still, the lack of arrests and scarcity of information about the deaths prompted many to leave days before the Thanksgiving break was scheduled to begin.
The students who remained showed little sign of apprehension.
"I feel pretty safe," said student Nicole June on Tuesday. "I believe the police can do their job."
Nathan Lannigan, 18, said he was surprised with reports that there is no ongoing threat since a perpetrator has not been captured.
"That's a quick judgement, I think," Lannigan said.
In a Monday memo, University of Idaho President Scott Green urged university employees to be empathetic and flexible, and work with students who wanted to spend time with their families.
"Words cannot adequately describe the light these students brought to this world or ease the depth of suffering we feel at their passing under these tragic circumstances," Green wrote of the slain students.
The university said Chapin was a freshman, and Kernodle was a junior majoring in marketing and a member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority. Mogen was a senior also majoring in marketing who belonged to Pi Beta Phi, and Goncalves was a senior majoring in general studies and a member of the Alpha Phi sorority, the university said.
Killer who fatally stabbed 4 University of Idaho students still at large; victim had posted she was "one lucky girl" hours before death
"Evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack," police said.
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University of Idaho murders: blood seen oozing from house amid reports of previous threat
Rebecca Rosenberg
video at source, as well.
FIRST ON FOX: Blood was seen seeping from the house where four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered over the weekend as a report of a previous campus threat surfaced.
Fox News Digital obtained the grisly new photos of the crime scene Wednesday that showed blood dripping from the first floor bedroom down an exterior wall at the back of the house.
"It was very bloody scene inside," an officer said.
Back in September, Campus security sent out what is known as a "Vandal Alert" to staff and students with the subject line "Threat with Knife" notifying the community of the alarming incident.
UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO HOMICIDE VICTIMS BELIEVED STABBED TO DEATH IN ‘ISOLATED, TARGETED ATTACK’: POLICE
A photo showing blood dripping down the wall of the home where four University of Idaho students (inset) were stabbed to death. (Derek Shook for Fox News Digital/Facebook)
"The Moscow Police Department received a report that a group of students was walking between the Steam Plant parking lot (Lot #14) and the Student Recreation Center on Paradise Path and were threatened by a person with a knife," states the alert from Sept. 12.
A concerned parent of a University of Idaho student shared the notification with Fox News Digital.
UNIVERSITY OF IDAHO HOMICIDES: WHAT TO KNOW ABOUT THE 4 VICTIMS ALLEGEDLY KILLED NEAR CAMPUS
"No individual was harmed in the incident, but campus community members are advised to be cautious," the notification states.
The suspect was described as a White male between the ages of 18 and 22, wearing all black clothes and a black baseball cap, and riding a mountain bike.
The Moscow Police Department declined to comment on the incident, whether the suspect had been apprehended or whether it could be connected to the Nov. 13 quadruple homicides that occurred about one mile away.
"I have no information on that at this time," Capt. Anthony Dahlinger told Fox News Digital. A spokesperson for the university didn't immediately return a request for comment.
The house where four University of Idaho students were brutally murdered over the week has blood seeping from the first floor and dripping down an exterior wall in Moscow, Idaho. (Derek Shook for Fox News Digital)
Police announced Tuesday that they had not recovered the murder weapon but believe it was likely a knife and called the gruesome killings an "isolated, targeted attack." The released added, "There is no imminent threat to the community."
IDAHO POLICE NAME 4 UNIVERSITY STUDENTS KILLED IN APPARENT QUADRUPLE HOMICIDE NEAR CAMPUS
The students' bodies were found Sunday morning after police responded to a report of an unconscious person at a rented home on King Road near the university's fraternity row.
University of Idaho victims Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle. (Instagram: @ethanchapin4)
The victims are Ethan Chapin, 20, of Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, 21, of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, of Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, of Rathdrum, Idaho.
The shocking murders have left locals and the campus community on edge.
Police have remained tight-lipped but have said the suspect remains at large. Moscow Mayor Art Bettge previously called the killings a "crime of passion."
University of Idaho victims Kaylee Goncalves and Maddie Mogen. (Instagram: @maddiemogen, @kayleegoncalves)
Marc Risen, the father of a student and a retired police officer, said the University of Idaho needs to beef up security.
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"Telling parents there is no threat is not helpful," he said. "Hiring off duty police is a quick way to put boots and guns where they need to be; protecting students until the suspect is arrested."
Rebecca Rosenberg is a veteran journalist and book author with a focus on crime and criminal justice. Email tips to rebecca.rosenberg@fox.com and @ReRosenberg.
University of Idaho murders: blood seen oozing from house amid reports of previous threat
Months before four University of Idaho students were murdered, a man allegedly menaced a group of students on campus with a knife as new photos emerged of the crime scene.
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Video shows University of Idaho students with mystery man hours before murdersBy Mark Lungariello
November 16, 2022 12:27pm Updated
Newly surfaced video shows a mystery man lingering near two of the slain University of Idaho students hours before they were killed in what cops described as “targeted” murders.
Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves appear to be captured in a Twitch livestream shot outside a food truck in Moscow, shortly before they were found fatally stabbed at an off-campus house Sunday.
Authorities said they are looking to speak with other people in the video, which shows a man walking with the two women and hovering nearby as they chat with each other and check a cellphone.
“They’re in the process of identifying the other people who were there … and what sort of contact did they have,” Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson told WIVB-TV.
The food-truck video, posted to Twitter by KHQ-TV reporter John Webb, shows two of the victims apparently waiting for late-night eats on a crowded street. The grainy footage shows the unidentified man waiting a few feet away while the two women chat and check the phone.
Twitch streaming video appears to show two University of Idaho students hours before they were stabbed to death at an off-campus house.Twitter / @johnwebbtvWhen they move to the other side of the truck, he follows them and stops next to them but it’s not clear if they speak with him at any point.
The footage was apparently shot just before Mogen, 21, and Goncalves, 21, were stabbed to death in an off-campus house alongside 20-year-old Ethan Chapin and 20-year-old Xana Kernodle.
Their killer or killers were still on the loose Wednesday although cops have said there was no imminent threat to the community. Thompson said he understood that statement could seem to contradict the little information so far released in the slayings.
“Obviously, there’s no way police can say that there’s no risk, but what they’re seeing indicates there’s not a risk that this person will randomly attack people,” Thompson told WIVB. “I don’t think they’re going to foreclose the possibility that it could be one or more people, but right now they don’t know who is responsible.”
Authorities have said the murders appear to be targeted and were done with an “edged weapon,” likely a knife, that has yet to be located. Police are trying to piece together a timeline of the activities leading up to the killings.
Goncalves had posted an Instagram message hours before her death with photos of her and friends, including Chapin, Kernodle and Mogen.
video at source
Video shows University of Idaho students with mystery man hours before murders
Newly surfaced video shows a mystery man with two University of Idaho students hours before they and two others were brutally slaughtered in a scene cops called the “worst they’ve ever seen.”
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Camera Footage Early Morning hours Idaho Student Homicides.
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Rep. Gimenez: "Would you shock if I say 200 died daily from Fentanyl overdoses?"
Wray: "I know the numbers are eye popping."
Rep. Gimenez: "Who's pouring that deadly drugs into U.S?"
Wray: "Cartels from Mexico."
Rep. Gimenez: "Would you consider that to be a terrorist act."
Congressman STUNNED after FBI Director Chris Wray REFUSES to call fentanyl-smuggling cartels terrorists
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Wray: "I know the numbers are eye popping."
Rep. Gimenez: "Who's pouring that deadly drugs into U.S?"
Wray: "Cartels from Mexico."
Rep. Gimenez: "Would you consider that to be a terrorist act."
Congressman STUNNED after FBI Director Chris Wray REFUSES to call fentanyl-smuggling cartels terrorists
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View: https://twitter.com/NewsBecker/status/1592570777093935105?s=20&t=HnZuoBk3ncejwz42LJOm2g
mzkitty
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mzkitty
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UPDATE. There were apparently other roommates home at the time who were not injured. Must have had locks on their bedroom doors.
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Police have begun to lay out a timeline of what happened in the hours leading up to the killings, though much remains unknown.
Chapin and Kernodle were at a party on campus Saturday night, while Mogen and Goncalves were at a downtown bar before they all returned to the home early Sunday sometime after 1:45 a.m., Fry said.
All four victims were fatally stabbed at some point in the early morning hours Sunday, Fry said, but there was no 911 call until noon. The chief didn’t reveal who called 911.
Two additional roommates were home at the time of the deaths, neither of whom were injured nor held hostage, Green said. The two roommates have been fully cooperative with law enforcement, Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told CNN on Wednesday.
“There was other people home at that time, but we’re not just focusing just on them, we’re focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence,” Fry said.
After the 911 call about an unconscious person came in, officers found the door to the home open and a gruesome crime scene.
There was no evidence of forced entry, Fry said. “We’re not 100% sure the door was unlocked, there was no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there,” Fry said.
There was “quite a bit of blood in the apartment,” Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told CNN affiliate KXLY Tuesday.
“It was a pretty traumatic scene to find four dead college students in a residence,” she said.
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Police have begun to lay out a timeline of what happened in the hours leading up to the killings, though much remains unknown.
Chapin and Kernodle were at a party on campus Saturday night, while Mogen and Goncalves were at a downtown bar before they all returned to the home early Sunday sometime after 1:45 a.m., Fry said.
All four victims were fatally stabbed at some point in the early morning hours Sunday, Fry said, but there was no 911 call until noon. The chief didn’t reveal who called 911.
Two additional roommates were home at the time of the deaths, neither of whom were injured nor held hostage, Green said. The two roommates have been fully cooperative with law enforcement, Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told CNN on Wednesday.
“There was other people home at that time, but we’re not just focusing just on them, we’re focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence,” Fry said.
After the 911 call about an unconscious person came in, officers found the door to the home open and a gruesome crime scene.
There was no evidence of forced entry, Fry said. “We’re not 100% sure the door was unlocked, there was no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there,” Fry said.
There was “quite a bit of blood in the apartment,” Latah County Coroner Cathy Mabbutt told CNN affiliate KXLY Tuesday.
“It was a pretty traumatic scene to find four dead college students in a residence,” she said.
Food truck video of slain University of Idaho students offers timeline of their final hours | CNN
Two of the four University of Idaho students who were killed on Sunday were last seen alive ordering at a late-night food truck in Moscow, Idaho, at about 1:41 a.m., the food truck's live Twitch stream shows.
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bw
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Getting prepped to clean someone's online info who might need sanitizing for public consumption? Local cops couldn't do that.
mzkitty
I give up.
Not sure. Isn't that Homeland Security? What makes you think this one is a terrorist?
just wondering why FBI joined.
TKO
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Incompetent police?
jward
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FBI is called in for serials I think- and again, what are the cartels and gangs up to in that region- we went with assumption that the "edged blade" was knife, but I don't think we can definitely claim the description rules out other tools, like machete, chainsaw - - -
Even thought back to the mass murder of the rhodens- weren't they ohio as well- did someone get stoked about that crime and say, in effect "hold my beer" I can pull it off without being caught : (
I doubt it, probably "just" a sex crime with multiple knife stabs in leiu of, or in addition to, the sex acts : ((
Even thought back to the mass murder of the rhodens- weren't they ohio as well- did someone get stoked about that crime and say, in effect "hold my beer" I can pull it off without being caught : (
I doubt it, probably "just" a sex crime with multiple knife stabs in leiu of, or in addition to, the sex acts : ((
jward
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Here’s a quick list of federal jurisdictions related to murder:
- A local or state police department requests that the FBI file for an Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP) warrant to allow the Bureau to enter a local homicide case. The Bureau’s task is the apprehension of the interstate fugitive, not the investigation of the actual murder.
- A homicide occurs on federal property, an Indian reservation, or is committed by a civilian onboard a US Navy or US Merchant Marine ship in international waters, or is committed by a civilian on US military bases worldwide.
- Another federal violation is also in play when the victim was killed, such as a hate crime where the person’s civil rights were violated, a teller or security guard is murdered during the robbery of a federally insured bank, or a kidnapping where the victim was taken across state lines.
- The murder victim is a US president, or other elected or appointed federal officials, such as cabinet members and members of congress.
- The murder victim is a federal judge, a federal prosecutor, or federal law enforcement official, such as an FBI, DEA, IRS, or Secret Service agent.
- The purpose of the murder was to promote a criminal enterprise, such as in organized crime and drug trafficking.
- A court officer or juror was murdered in retaliation of testimony given at trial.
- The murders involve violent crimes against interstate travelers, such as serial killings.
- The murder affects interstate commerce, such as a murder-for-hire or where the US Postal Service is used to send items to cause the death of the recipient.
You may also want to read my blog post – When Does the FBI Investigate Missing Adults?
When Does the FBI Investigate Murder? - Jerri Williams
The FBI has no authority to interfere in a local murder case. However, there are circumstances where murder is a violation of federal law.
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medic38572
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The interesting thing is the fed's live in Downtown Moscow 5 story building. probably no more than 2 miles from the scene.
medic38572
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Here is what I find interesting. Look at this and tell me it is the same house.
Here is the zillow listing for it.
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Here is the zillow listing for it.
1112 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow
1112 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 1738 sq ft and was built in 2019.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $550,600, which has increased by $22,140 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,040/mo...
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mzkitty
I give up.
Autopsies complete (stabbings) and bodies released to parents:
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November 17, 2022, 6:14 PM
Two surviving roommates of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in a house near the Moscow, Idaho, campus, could be "key" to the case, according to the state police spokesman, as persons of interest or suspects have yet to be identified.
The two surviving female roommates -- who have not been ruled "in or out at suspects" in the fatal stabbings -- are "working and talking with detectives, and they have been cooperative -- very cooperative," Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told ABC News on Thursday.
"Potentially they are witnesses, potentially they are victims," Snell said, adding that the roommates could be "the key to this whole thing."
The four students, who were killed early Sunday morning and found hours later, were identified as Ethan Chapin, 20, of Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, 21, of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, of Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, of Rathdrum, Idaho.
Two other roommates were home at the time of the crime, and they were not hurt, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said during a news conference Wednesday. It was not a hostage situation, he added.
It's believed the victims were killed between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. Sunday, Moscow Mayor Art Bettge told ABC News. The roommates were home when police responded to a call for an unconscious individual at the home about eight hours later, Fry said. The roommates were not the 911 callers, according to Snell.
Fry said the four victims were killed with a knife in "an isolated, targeted attack".
Snell did not reveal what type of knife was used in the killings but said authorities are going to local businesses to see if anyone recently purchased a fixed-blade knife.
Snell described it as "a very complex and in-depth investigation."
No one has been cleared in the case, either, Snell said.
As for having no suspects or persons of interest nearly a week later, Snell said, "It's very frustrating ... we would have loved to have solved this [immediately.]"
Police said they are working to determine the victims' timeline Saturday night.
Chapin and Kernodle were at a party on campus while Goncalves and Mogen were at a downtown bar that night, Fry said.
Chapin didn't live in the house but was sleeping over with his girlfriend, Kernodle, according to his mother, Stacy Chapin.
Goncalves and Mogen had been best friends since childhood and "did everything together," Goncalves' sister, Alivia Goncalves, told ABC News.
She said she finds some solace that the friends were together in their final moments.
Autopsies from the Latah County Coroner found all of the victims were stabbed to death in a homicide.
Although Fry described the attack as "targeted," he said, "We cannot say there is no threat to the community."
He urged anyone with information about the victims' whereabouts Saturday night to call the tip line at 208-883-7180.
As police canvass for information, a direct neighbor of the victims' house told ABC News he has not been interviewed by police.
"If anybody does have information, we encourage them to contact us," Snell said.
Former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett thinks the surviving roommates are the "key" in the investigation, but he doesn't think they are suspects.
"It's a small town. The likelihood that they know who that person was in the house, I think, is reasonable," Garrett said Thursday morning.
In terms of the investigation, Garrett said, "police appear to be stymied based on their own comments."
For police, Garrett said the next steps are: "You really are going to have to do a complete detail of the party that was prior to whatever was going on between 3 and 4 o'clock at the victim's house. … Who followed them home? Who has been taking whom? Who have had issues with people? This killer didn't all of a sudden show up at this house -- he knew this house."
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New details: Autopsy confirms all 4 University of Idaho students were murdered
The Latah County Corner provided an update Thursday afternoon that confirms all four students were stabbed to death.
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Idaho college murders: Surviving roommates could be 'key'
The students were found dead on Sunday in a house near campus.November 17, 2022, 6:14 PM
Two surviving roommates of four University of Idaho students who were found dead in a house near the Moscow, Idaho, campus, could be "key" to the case, according to the state police spokesman, as persons of interest or suspects have yet to be identified.
The two surviving female roommates -- who have not been ruled "in or out at suspects" in the fatal stabbings -- are "working and talking with detectives, and they have been cooperative -- very cooperative," Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told ABC News on Thursday.
"Potentially they are witnesses, potentially they are victims," Snell said, adding that the roommates could be "the key to this whole thing."
The four students, who were killed early Sunday morning and found hours later, were identified as Ethan Chapin, 20, of Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, 21, of Coeur d'Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, of Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee Goncalves, 21, of Rathdrum, Idaho.
Two other roommates were home at the time of the crime, and they were not hurt, Moscow Police Chief James Fry said during a news conference Wednesday. It was not a hostage situation, he added.
It's believed the victims were killed between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. Sunday, Moscow Mayor Art Bettge told ABC News. The roommates were home when police responded to a call for an unconscious individual at the home about eight hours later, Fry said. The roommates were not the 911 callers, according to Snell.
Fry said the four victims were killed with a knife in "an isolated, targeted attack".
Snell did not reveal what type of knife was used in the killings but said authorities are going to local businesses to see if anyone recently purchased a fixed-blade knife.
Snell described it as "a very complex and in-depth investigation."
No one has been cleared in the case, either, Snell said.
As for having no suspects or persons of interest nearly a week later, Snell said, "It's very frustrating ... we would have loved to have solved this [immediately.]"
Police said they are working to determine the victims' timeline Saturday night.
Chapin and Kernodle were at a party on campus while Goncalves and Mogen were at a downtown bar that night, Fry said.
Chapin didn't live in the house but was sleeping over with his girlfriend, Kernodle, according to his mother, Stacy Chapin.
Goncalves and Mogen had been best friends since childhood and "did everything together," Goncalves' sister, Alivia Goncalves, told ABC News.
She said she finds some solace that the friends were together in their final moments.
Autopsies from the Latah County Coroner found all of the victims were stabbed to death in a homicide.
Although Fry described the attack as "targeted," he said, "We cannot say there is no threat to the community."
He urged anyone with information about the victims' whereabouts Saturday night to call the tip line at 208-883-7180.
As police canvass for information, a direct neighbor of the victims' house told ABC News he has not been interviewed by police.
"If anybody does have information, we encourage them to contact us," Snell said.
Former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett thinks the surviving roommates are the "key" in the investigation, but he doesn't think they are suspects.
"It's a small town. The likelihood that they know who that person was in the house, I think, is reasonable," Garrett said Thursday morning.
In terms of the investigation, Garrett said, "police appear to be stymied based on their own comments."
For police, Garrett said the next steps are: "You really are going to have to do a complete detail of the party that was prior to whatever was going on between 3 and 4 o'clock at the victim's house. … Who followed them home? Who has been taking whom? Who have had issues with people? This killer didn't all of a sudden show up at this house -- he knew this house."
Idaho college murders: Surviving roommates could be 'key'
Police are pleading with the public to help them find the unknown suspect who stabbed four University of Idaho students to death.
abcnews.go.com
jward
passin' thru
the drives seem to be similar; I'd rather look at the county records than zillow.Here is what I find interesting. Look at this and tell me it is the same house.
Here is the zillow listing for it.
1112 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow
1112 King Rd, Moscow ID, is a Single Family home that contains 1738 sq ft and was built in 2019.It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $550,600, which has increased by $22,140 in the last 30 days.The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is $3,040/mo...
Having said that though, I'd not expect any tom foolery being attempted with the addie; too many records exist with the data trails of where the calls were sent, and the whole town knows, so . . . :: shrug ::
Interesting bout the FBI building so close though; could sure go down a # o rabbit holes with that info alone.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
They point I was making by looking at zillow and looking at the accompanying map does not correlate with the address. infact it goes from 1104 to 1110 to 1118 across the street. The picture in the news looks totally different. Sorry should have explained vs assuming someone would see what I was looking at. I guess that makkes me the ass in assume. Now even numbers are on the east side of the street odd on west side street going north to south actually a dead end
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
In the video, one of the girls, and the apparent suspect, both checked their cell phones. One would hope that the PD has already obtained the digital fingerprints of all the phones that were close to the victim's phone during the time of that video clip (heck, the whole night). By this point, there should already be a trace for the guy in question.
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Could you be seeing a rural form of addresses?
Some places that are mapped from one end of a road or another.
For instance: a house number would be
1234 which means 1.234 miles from road start.
No coffee yet. Please excuse my interruption if not pertinent.
medic38572
TB Fanatic
I am still up going to sleep in late tomorrow, But I put that address in and that is what came up other than a king ave. Now the address that is posted above that you looked up above is just east of the university. Looks like a bunch of apartments in the area all around. Infact it basically looks like campus type apartments.
jward
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this was the case that came to mind for me- I didn't know the SOB here had scored female hormones under the table while in jail... iirc he was caught after suicide attempt and the attending staff noted the tattoo and asked if he was the perp...
By Corky Siemaszko
Fifty years ago a stranger with a pockmarked face and a “Born To Raise Hell” tattoo on his left arm barged into a Chicago townhouse where a group of student nurses were living and proceeded to lead them “like lambs to the slaughter.”
The intruder’s name was Richard Speck and for five hours he systematically tortured and murdered eight women, raping at least one of them.
So consumed was Speck by his bloodlust that he failed to notice that a ninth student nurse, Corazon Amurao, whom he had briefly taken hostage, had hid under a bunk bed.
When it was over and Speck was gone, the 23-year-old survivor climbed out on a window ledge and screamed for help. She later provided police with a description of the blank-faced intruder who had slaughtered her housemates.
For two days Chicago was gripped by fear amid a massive manhunt to find the man before he could kill again. It ended when Speck was taken from a fleabag hotel to Cook County Hospital after a failed suicide attempt and the attending physician spotted his tattoo.
The crime horrified Chicago and the rest of the country because it was so unfathomable — a massacre for no apparent reason by a remorseless stranger against a group of young women he didn’t know.
And it introduced a term to the American public that has since then become all too familiar: random mass murder.
“It really was the first random mass murder of the 20th century,” William Martin, the assistant Cook County district attorney who prosecuted Speck, told NBC News last week, approaching the 50th anniversary of Speck’s 4½-hour rampage on July 13-14, 1966. “It really was the end of an age of innocence. It changed everything. We all became much more conscious of our security. Eight nurses could be slaughtered in their beds for no reason by a stranger.”
William Martin, a former Assistant State's Attorney and the Chief Prosecutor of mass murderer Richard Speck, poses for a portrait in his office in Oak Park, Illinois, on July 7. Martin holds the book The Crime of the Century, which he co-authored with journalist Dennis L. Breo.Alyssa Schukar / for NBC News
John Schmale, a retired physician whose sister, Nina, was one of the murdered student nurses, also speaks of innocence lost when he recalls that night.
“This was not gang-related like most of the violent crime in Chicago today,” said Schmale, 78, who has set up a Facebook page honoring the memory of his sister and the other victims. “These were girls within six weeks of graduating, members of a respected profession. They were basically kids, girls doing girlie things. This was innocence.”
During his trial, Speck shed no tears for the victims.
“He was totally without contrition, he was totally without remorse,” said Martin, 79, whose 1993 book with Dennis Breo about the massacre, “The Crime of the Century,” has been updated and republished to mark the grim anniversary. “He had no redeeming characteristic whatsoever.”
His icy demeanor also helped fuel a national fascination with the case.
“Knowing what he did, everybody found him creepy,” Martin said. “Speck just stared. Not a thousand mile look into space, but kind of nonreactive. … (He) just sat still and was expressionless.”
Martin said Amurao’s courage on the stand, pointing out the defendant in front of the jury, and her precise recounting of the horrors at 2319 E. 100th St., were key in convicting Speck, though he also left fingerprints all around the townhouse.
From a personal standpoint, Martin said she also helped restore his faith in humanity.
Despite what she witnessed, Amurao, now 73 and living in the Washington, D.C., area, is a “very happy person who enjoys life and laughs a lot.”
“She still has nightmares about Speck,” Martin said. “She personifies the triumph of good over evil.”
Corazon Amurao, star witness for the prosecution in the trial of Richard Speck, and her mother, Macaria Amurao, leave the courthouse for lunch in Peoria, Illinois, on April 6, 1967.Charles Harrity / AP
Amurao’s nightmares were born on an unusually cool summer night that followed a stormy day. Speck chose for his killing ground a modest, two-story townhouse that the now-defunct South Chicago Community Hospital was using to house their student nurses. It was located in Jeffrey Manor, a middle-class neighborhood in the shadow on the steel mills lining the lakefront.
Armed with a hunting knife and a .22-caliber pistol, Speck broke in through a window around 11 p.m. on July 13, 1966 and made his way upstairs to where the three bedrooms were located. The first door he knocked on belonged to Amurao, one of three Filipino students who lived there, and her roommate.
“In low tones, the man ordered the two students into the adjoining bedroom where the four other nurses were awakened,” according to an account by Chicago Tribune reporter Robert Wiedrich published nine days after the crime was reported. “Then all six were herded into a rear bedroom.”
“Maybe if we were calm and quiet he will be, too. He has been talking to us all and he seems calm enough and that is a good sign.”
In addition to Amurao, there were the two other Filipinas: Merlita Gargullo, 23, and Valentina Pasion, 23; and three Americans: Patricia Matusek, 20, Pamela Wilkening, 20, and the 24-year-old Schmale.
Speck, a 24-year-old ex-con from tiny Kirkwood, Illinois, who spent most of his miserable childhood in Dallas avoiding beatings by his drunken stepfather, sat on the floor and told the women he needed money to get to New Orleans.
Amurao told investigators the American girls did not think Speck would hurt them.
“They told us we more or less had to trust him,” she was quoted as saying in the Tribune article. “Maybe if we were calm and quiet he will be, too. He has been talking to us all and he seems calm enough and that is a good sign.”
Using strips of torn bed sheets, Speck bound the wrists of his captives behind their backs. Then, one after another, Speck walked them out of the bedroom — and to their deaths.
“Like lambs to the slaughter,” was how Wiedrich described it.
It was at this point that Amurao managed to roll under a bed while Speck wasn’t looking. She told police later that none of her friends screamed as they were being led from the room, but she later heard their muffled cries.
From left, top are: student nurses Gloria Jean Davy, 22, Mary Ann Jordan, 20, Suzanne Farris, 21, and Valentina Pasion, 23, and bottom, Patricia Matusek, 20, Merlita Gargullo, 23, Pamela Wilkening, 20, and Nina Schmale, 24, all of whom were slain in 1966 by Richard Speck.AP
When she finally emerged from her hiding place around 6 a.m., several hours after Speck had fled, Amurao found Suzanne Farris, 21, dead in a hallway by the upstairs bathroom from stab wounds to the chest and chin. She later learned that Farris and two other student nurses — Gloria Jean Davy, 22, and Mary Ann Jordan, 20 — had returned to the townhouse in the midst of the killing spree and met the same fate as their housemates.
She found Matusek, Jordan and Wilkening in the east bedroom. Matusek and Wilkening had been strangled. Wilkening, who was sprawled on a bed, had also been stabbed. Jordan was stabbed, in the chest, neck and left eye.
Then Amurao found the bodies of Schmale, Pasion and Gargullo in the west bedroom. There were also knife wounds on the neck of Schmale, who had been gagged with a strip of torn bed sheet and strangled. Pasion had also been strangled. And Gargullo’s throat was slashed.
Downstairs, Davy’s body lay naked on a sofa. She too had been strangled.
Throughout the two-week trial, Speck insisted he was innocent and had no memory of the murders.
But Amurao would not find that out until later because, after finding seven bodies, she climbed out of a second floor window onto the ledge “and began to scream and scream and scream,” Wiedrich wrote.
Speck was found competent to stand trial by a panel of psychiatrists who also diagnosed him as a sociopath. Because of the notoriety, the trial was moved three hours away from Chicago to Peoria and began on April 3, 1967.
Throughout the two-week trial, Speck insisted he was innocent and had no memory of the murders. His public defender Gerald Getty tried in vain to suppress damning evidence against his client.
Speck's defense crumbled when, in a moment of high drama, Amurao walked from witness box to where the accused mass murderer was sitting and with a finger pointed directly at him said, “This is the man.”
Armed with Amurao’s testimony and the fingerprint evidence, it took the jury just 49 minutes on April 15 to find him guilty and recommend the death penalty.
Speck was never strapped into the electric chair. The Supreme Court in 1971 upheld his conviction but reversed the death sentence because potential jurors opposed to capital punishment were excluded from the jury pool.
Instead, Speck was dispatched to the Stateville Correctional Center to serve a 400-year sentence. He died of a heart attack on Dec. 5, 1991. He was 49.
When nobody showed up to claim his body, Speck was cremated and his ashes were scattered at an undisclosed location near Joliet, Illinois.
William Martin, chief prosecuting attorney, is seen after a jury of seven men and five women found Richard Speck guilty of the murder of eight Chicago student nurses on April 15, 1967.Bettmann / Bettmann Archive
Speck regularly refused interview requests. But six years after he died, Martin recounted in his book how Chicago TV reporter named Bill Kurtis got his hands on what would become his sick epitaph.
It was a black and white video filmed behind bars in December 1988, a fake news show starring Speck and his prison lover Ronzelle “Honey Bun” Larimore.
In it, a grotesque-looking Speck sports silk panties and shamelessly shows off ample breasts on a body transformed by smuggled female hormones as he engages in sex with Larimore. At one point, he freely admits to committing the crime that made him infamous, saying he was high at the time but would have “done it sober.”
“Like I always felt,” Speck answers when asked by whoever is filming how he felt after the killings. “Had no feelings. If you’re asking if I felt sorry ... no.”
Asked why he murdered the women, Speck gave a chilling answer that Martin said “sickens me to this day.”
“It just wasn’t their night,” Speck said.
www.nbcnews.com
How Richard Speck's Rampage 50 Years Ago Changed a Nation
By Corky Siemaszko
Fifty years ago a stranger with a pockmarked face and a “Born To Raise Hell” tattoo on his left arm barged into a Chicago townhouse where a group of student nurses were living and proceeded to lead them “like lambs to the slaughter.”
The intruder’s name was Richard Speck and for five hours he systematically tortured and murdered eight women, raping at least one of them.
So consumed was Speck by his bloodlust that he failed to notice that a ninth student nurse, Corazon Amurao, whom he had briefly taken hostage, had hid under a bunk bed.
When it was over and Speck was gone, the 23-year-old survivor climbed out on a window ledge and screamed for help. She later provided police with a description of the blank-faced intruder who had slaughtered her housemates.
For two days Chicago was gripped by fear amid a massive manhunt to find the man before he could kill again. It ended when Speck was taken from a fleabag hotel to Cook County Hospital after a failed suicide attempt and the attending physician spotted his tattoo.
The crime horrified Chicago and the rest of the country because it was so unfathomable — a massacre for no apparent reason by a remorseless stranger against a group of young women he didn’t know.
And it introduced a term to the American public that has since then become all too familiar: random mass murder.
“It really was the first random mass murder of the 20th century,” William Martin, the assistant Cook County district attorney who prosecuted Speck, told NBC News last week, approaching the 50th anniversary of Speck’s 4½-hour rampage on July 13-14, 1966. “It really was the end of an age of innocence. It changed everything. We all became much more conscious of our security. Eight nurses could be slaughtered in their beds for no reason by a stranger.”
William Martin, a former Assistant State's Attorney and the Chief Prosecutor of mass murderer Richard Speck, poses for a portrait in his office in Oak Park, Illinois, on July 7. Martin holds the book The Crime of the Century, which he co-authored with journalist Dennis L. Breo.Alyssa Schukar / for NBC News
John Schmale, a retired physician whose sister, Nina, was one of the murdered student nurses, also speaks of innocence lost when he recalls that night.
“This was not gang-related like most of the violent crime in Chicago today,” said Schmale, 78, who has set up a Facebook page honoring the memory of his sister and the other victims. “These were girls within six weeks of graduating, members of a respected profession. They were basically kids, girls doing girlie things. This was innocence.”
During his trial, Speck shed no tears for the victims.
“He was totally without contrition, he was totally without remorse,” said Martin, 79, whose 1993 book with Dennis Breo about the massacre, “The Crime of the Century,” has been updated and republished to mark the grim anniversary. “He had no redeeming characteristic whatsoever.”
His icy demeanor also helped fuel a national fascination with the case.
“Knowing what he did, everybody found him creepy,” Martin said. “Speck just stared. Not a thousand mile look into space, but kind of nonreactive. … (He) just sat still and was expressionless.”
Martin said Amurao’s courage on the stand, pointing out the defendant in front of the jury, and her precise recounting of the horrors at 2319 E. 100th St., were key in convicting Speck, though he also left fingerprints all around the townhouse.
From a personal standpoint, Martin said she also helped restore his faith in humanity.
Despite what she witnessed, Amurao, now 73 and living in the Washington, D.C., area, is a “very happy person who enjoys life and laughs a lot.”
“She still has nightmares about Speck,” Martin said. “She personifies the triumph of good over evil.”
Corazon Amurao, star witness for the prosecution in the trial of Richard Speck, and her mother, Macaria Amurao, leave the courthouse for lunch in Peoria, Illinois, on April 6, 1967.Charles Harrity / AP
Amurao’s nightmares were born on an unusually cool summer night that followed a stormy day. Speck chose for his killing ground a modest, two-story townhouse that the now-defunct South Chicago Community Hospital was using to house their student nurses. It was located in Jeffrey Manor, a middle-class neighborhood in the shadow on the steel mills lining the lakefront.
Armed with a hunting knife and a .22-caliber pistol, Speck broke in through a window around 11 p.m. on July 13, 1966 and made his way upstairs to where the three bedrooms were located. The first door he knocked on belonged to Amurao, one of three Filipino students who lived there, and her roommate.
“In low tones, the man ordered the two students into the adjoining bedroom where the four other nurses were awakened,” according to an account by Chicago Tribune reporter Robert Wiedrich published nine days after the crime was reported. “Then all six were herded into a rear bedroom.”
“Maybe if we were calm and quiet he will be, too. He has been talking to us all and he seems calm enough and that is a good sign.”
In addition to Amurao, there were the two other Filipinas: Merlita Gargullo, 23, and Valentina Pasion, 23; and three Americans: Patricia Matusek, 20, Pamela Wilkening, 20, and the 24-year-old Schmale.
Speck, a 24-year-old ex-con from tiny Kirkwood, Illinois, who spent most of his miserable childhood in Dallas avoiding beatings by his drunken stepfather, sat on the floor and told the women he needed money to get to New Orleans.
Amurao told investigators the American girls did not think Speck would hurt them.
“They told us we more or less had to trust him,” she was quoted as saying in the Tribune article. “Maybe if we were calm and quiet he will be, too. He has been talking to us all and he seems calm enough and that is a good sign.”
Using strips of torn bed sheets, Speck bound the wrists of his captives behind their backs. Then, one after another, Speck walked them out of the bedroom — and to their deaths.
“Like lambs to the slaughter,” was how Wiedrich described it.
It was at this point that Amurao managed to roll under a bed while Speck wasn’t looking. She told police later that none of her friends screamed as they were being led from the room, but she later heard their muffled cries.
When she finally emerged from her hiding place around 6 a.m., several hours after Speck had fled, Amurao found Suzanne Farris, 21, dead in a hallway by the upstairs bathroom from stab wounds to the chest and chin. She later learned that Farris and two other student nurses — Gloria Jean Davy, 22, and Mary Ann Jordan, 20 — had returned to the townhouse in the midst of the killing spree and met the same fate as their housemates.
She found Matusek, Jordan and Wilkening in the east bedroom. Matusek and Wilkening had been strangled. Wilkening, who was sprawled on a bed, had also been stabbed. Jordan was stabbed, in the chest, neck and left eye.
Then Amurao found the bodies of Schmale, Pasion and Gargullo in the west bedroom. There were also knife wounds on the neck of Schmale, who had been gagged with a strip of torn bed sheet and strangled. Pasion had also been strangled. And Gargullo’s throat was slashed.
Downstairs, Davy’s body lay naked on a sofa. She too had been strangled.
Throughout the two-week trial, Speck insisted he was innocent and had no memory of the murders.
But Amurao would not find that out until later because, after finding seven bodies, she climbed out of a second floor window onto the ledge “and began to scream and scream and scream,” Wiedrich wrote.
Speck was found competent to stand trial by a panel of psychiatrists who also diagnosed him as a sociopath. Because of the notoriety, the trial was moved three hours away from Chicago to Peoria and began on April 3, 1967.
Throughout the two-week trial, Speck insisted he was innocent and had no memory of the murders. His public defender Gerald Getty tried in vain to suppress damning evidence against his client.
Speck's defense crumbled when, in a moment of high drama, Amurao walked from witness box to where the accused mass murderer was sitting and with a finger pointed directly at him said, “This is the man.”
Armed with Amurao’s testimony and the fingerprint evidence, it took the jury just 49 minutes on April 15 to find him guilty and recommend the death penalty.
Speck was never strapped into the electric chair. The Supreme Court in 1971 upheld his conviction but reversed the death sentence because potential jurors opposed to capital punishment were excluded from the jury pool.
Instead, Speck was dispatched to the Stateville Correctional Center to serve a 400-year sentence. He died of a heart attack on Dec. 5, 1991. He was 49.
When nobody showed up to claim his body, Speck was cremated and his ashes were scattered at an undisclosed location near Joliet, Illinois.
William Martin, chief prosecuting attorney, is seen after a jury of seven men and five women found Richard Speck guilty of the murder of eight Chicago student nurses on April 15, 1967.Bettmann / Bettmann Archive
Speck regularly refused interview requests. But six years after he died, Martin recounted in his book how Chicago TV reporter named Bill Kurtis got his hands on what would become his sick epitaph.
It was a black and white video filmed behind bars in December 1988, a fake news show starring Speck and his prison lover Ronzelle “Honey Bun” Larimore.
In it, a grotesque-looking Speck sports silk panties and shamelessly shows off ample breasts on a body transformed by smuggled female hormones as he engages in sex with Larimore. At one point, he freely admits to committing the crime that made him infamous, saying he was high at the time but would have “done it sober.”
“Like I always felt,” Speck answers when asked by whoever is filming how he felt after the killings. “Had no feelings. If you’re asking if I felt sorry ... no.”
Asked why he murdered the women, Speck gave a chilling answer that Martin said “sickens me to this day.”
“It just wasn’t their night,” Speck said.
How Richard Speck's Rampage 50 Years Ago Changed a Nation
A drifter's killing of eight student nurses in Chicago "marked the end of an age of innocence," the man who prosecuted him says.
www.nbcnews.com
jward
passin' thru
medic the house you have in your zillow listing is not the one I have found for 1122 king road
the house circled in red is the one you are showing and is located on corner of King and Queen.
The crime scene is located behind it, the red arrow is the drive into it.
The problem is while the address is King road, you actually turn into the parking lot from Queen road. I guess that at one time both houses were on the same lot, and that quirk is the difficulty you had.
The second photo shows 1122, and the back of "your house" in the lower right of the pic.
Hope this helps.
I've not found a floor plan for the crime scene yet, but here are some correct listings for the property. It is in Latah county if you want to look into the property records. Given it's off campus I don't know they'd be required to keep floor plans for fire insurance for legal reasons, but you might find some out there somewhere.
1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Zillow
Zestimate® Home Value: $456,300. 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID is a single family home that contains 2,295 sq ft. It contains 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. The Zestimate for this house is $456,300, which has decreased by $1,280 in the last 30 days. The Rent Zestimate for this home is $2,999/mo...
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1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 | Trulia
1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID 83843 is a 2,295 sqft, 6 bed, 3 bath home. See the estimate, review home details, and search for homes nearby.
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jward
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More on the house, including the parcel # (maybe, they're quirky apparently don't take the listing # as gospel, would be my advice)
One of the top campus housing options available! - Sought after location within close walking/biking/driving distance to campus and Greek Row. Ideal set up for roommates with 2 beds / 1 bath on each level. Great outdoor living and entertaining space with large deck and patio.. This 6 bed / 3 full bath home has been fully renovated in 2018 - 2019. Recent updates included new kitchen (cabinets, counters, appliances), 2 fully remodeled bathrooms and newer flooring throughout (no carpet). Washer/Dryer in unit and reserved off-street parking. Easy living with low maintenance landscaping. Sorry no pets allowed. Tenants responsible for all utilities. Professionally managed by Team Idaho Real Estate & Property Management (one of Moscow's longest standing property management firms!) All maintenance is performed by qualified, licensed, and insured professionals. All major systems (roof, furnace, etc have been updated in recent years). A proactive maintenance program with annual dryer vent cleaning, bi-annual furnace servicing, and proactive quarterly maintenance inspections. No Pets Allowed (RLNE5514586)
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Note: This property is not currently for sale or for rent on Zillow. The description and property data below may’ve been provided by a third party, the homeowner or public records.One of the top campus housing options available! - Sought after location within close walking/biking/driving distance to campus and Greek Row. Ideal set up for roommates with 2 beds / 1 bath on each level. Great outdoor living and entertaining space with large deck and patio.. This 6 bed / 3 full bath home has been fully renovated in 2018 - 2019. Recent updates included new kitchen (cabinets, counters, appliances), 2 fully remodeled bathrooms and newer flooring throughout (no carpet). Washer/Dryer in unit and reserved off-street parking. Easy living with low maintenance landscaping. Sorry no pets allowed. Tenants responsible for all utilities. Professionally managed by Team Idaho Real Estate & Property Management (one of Moscow's longest standing property management firms!) All maintenance is performed by qualified, licensed, and insured professionals. All major systems (roof, furnace, etc have been updated in recent years). A proactive maintenance program with annual dryer vent cleaning, bi-annual furnace servicing, and proactive quarterly maintenance inspections. No Pets Allowed (RLNE5514586)
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- Type:SingleFamily
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- Parking:0 spaces
- Lot:1 sqft
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- Bedrooms: 6
- Bathrooms: 3
- Full bathrooms: 3
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- Flooring: Laminate, Linoleum / Vinyl
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- Appliances included: Dishwasher, Dryer, Range / Oven, Refrigerator, Washer
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- Total interior livable area: 2,295 sqft
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- Parcel number: RPM00000187985
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jward
passin' thru
I only skimmed, but initial impression is they're on track, and balancing what they can and can't state as well as could be expected. I didn't realize it, but the four were not together that night, so they have a tremendous amount of details to gather on just how many people each of the pair interacted with- not to mention the two roommates who were on scene and unharmed.
Press conference
16th November
Chief - My name is Chief James Fry with the Moscow Police Department. Might be reading from my notes today cause I want the information you receive to be extremely accurate. We know you have questions, and so do we, that is why we're here. I'd like to thank everyone for attending this press conference. (Introduces everyone)
The Moscow Police Department would like to extend our condolences to all family members, friends, the University of Idaho and the Moscow community. This is a horrible crime that took the lives of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.
This horrible crime has affected all of us, the families, the University of Idaho, our community, our country and our officers. Agencies that are involved in this task force include - The Latah County Sheriff's Office, The Idaho State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigations. As we continue our investigation, we have learned that Ethan and Xana were at a party on campus and Madison and Kaylee were at a downtown bar. They arrived home sometime after 1:45. If anyone in our community, or across our nation has any information about these times or the victims whereabouts, please call our tip line at 208-883-7180. The facts of the case, that we know right now - We know that these homicides occurred in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th. Around noon, Moscow officers received a call of an unconscious person. Officers discovered the bodies of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves inside the residence on King Rd. The four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time.
There was no sign of forced entry into the residence. Investigators are continuing to collect evidence at the scene. Investigators are working to develop a timeline to relevant events. Autopsies are taking place today on all the victims so we can continue to gather evidence and solve the crime. Investigators are working to follow up on all leads and to identify a person of interest. Based on details at the scene, we believe this was an isolated, targeted attack on our victims. We do not have a suspect at this time and that individual is still out there. We cannot say that there is no threat to the community. And as we have stated, please stay vigilant, report any suspicious activity and be aware of your surroundings at all times.
What we do know.. or what we don't know, excuse me - The identity and location of the suspect; the location of the knife or any clothing that was worn by the suspect. Currently, we have 25 plus investigators working this case, as well as assistance from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Idaho State Police. We're reviewing video that has been collected, but we're asking citizens to contact us with any information you may have that will help in this investigation. Once again, we're asking anyone with a tip to call the tip line at 208-883-7180. At this time, I would like to introduce the University of Idaho President, Scott Green.
University President - Thank you Chief Fry. I'm Scott Green, President of the University of Idaho. To us, this crime and the loss of these young lives is just simply beyond comprehension. While our small community is certainly not immune to such things, it's not a situation our close knit campus is used to dealing with. First, my deepest condolences to the families and friends of Ethan, Kaylee, Xana and Madison. Their loss has been devastating and they were bright lights in our community and are deeply missed and remain in our thoughts and our prayers. We've been working with Moscow Police since we were notified on Sunday of the crime. We've helped when asked and continually push for information, whenever possible, knowing that we cannot interfere with the important work and good investigations that are occurring. We just want justice for these victims. Our focus at the University is to support our students and our employees. We are encouraging our students and employees to take care of themselves as we head into Thanksgiving break. I want to take a moment to commend our faculty and staff who have been on the front lines helping our students, whether that is providing counselling to those in need of support, accommodating those who want to travel home, or engaging those who find comfort in staying busy interacting with their peers and our instructors in class. Our employees stepped up when our students needed them. While we have relied heavily on the expertise of Moscow Police, we feel confident that remaining open with flexibility to leave, allows our students to decide what is best for them. The weeks ahead will continue to challenge us as this loss and the circumstances around this crime become known. We will support each other as we grieve and we'll move through this together as a Vandal family. Thank you.
ISP Director - Good afternoon. My name is Kedrick Wills. I serve as a director of the Idaho State Police and as we have this discussion today, I'd like to express my appreciation for your attendance here because it's important, vitally important, that we get the information that we have, out to the public. Crime knows no boundaries and these murders have shaken us to our very core. You heard the University President as well as the Chief of Police talk about this small community and it's a very close tight knit community. And our hearts break for the families that's lost their loved ones, the University of Idaho, the Moscow community, and even within our entire state. Be assured the Idaho State Police is firmly in support of the work that the Moscow Police Department is doing, and we are providing every resource that we can to make sure that this comes to a conclusion with the person or people that is responsible is brought to justice. It's so important that you understand that this takes a team effort. This is teamwork, with the University, with the Moscow City Police Department, the Latah County Sheriff's Dept., the Idaho State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
It takes everybody to be able to do this, and it's a balancing act. It's a balancing act of getting the community the information that they need to have with making sure that we provide a case, that the Latah County Prosecutors office you can go forward with. Governor Little, Idaho's governor, has assured me that the full weight of all the resources, we have within our state, are available to Chief Fry and to his team. Our crime lab is also involved with processing evidence and our law enforcement throughout the region, state and federal agencies, continue to provide resources. From the Idaho State Police's perspective, we provided detectives, here, from this area, as well as detectives from out of the area, State Police Detectives, as well as patrol resources and communication assistance as well, to provide for Chief Fry and his team. Following this briefing our communications director from the Idaho State Police, Aaron Snell, if you'd raise your hand Aaron. He will be the contact for all press media enquiries from here on out. He'll be working closely with Chief Fry and his team and we have additional, like I said, additional patrol and investigation resources brought to bear here as well. We want to do everything we can to make sure that this is done correctly and that the people that are responsible for this are brought to justice.
Chief - So, at this time I'm going to open it up to some questions that I'm sure you have and we'll do the best we can to answer those for you.
Reporter - You mentioned that there's an indication that it's an isolated, targeted, incident and there is an individual somewhere. Can you give us a reason as to why there's that belief there is a suspect? And can you also give a little more information on the forced entry? There's no sign of forced entry, but did it seem like any of the entries were left unlocked by any means?
Chief - I'll answer the last part there just because it's at the front end of my mind. We're not 100% sure if the door was unlocked. There were no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there.
In these cases we take the totality of the things that we see and they're very dynamic right? and they're very big and there's a lot of information and we try to take that information and some of what we can't share with you, correct? but we try to take that information, we try to make the best educated decision we can. We review that as a team, with our detectives, along with our prosecutors, along with the University and we try to make that best decision on that. So we, at that time, believed that there was no threat and our goal is to provide safety for this community. That's why we're bringing in the resources were bringing. We want a close to this and we want to do everything we can to let the people in our community know that we care. We want them to feel safe. We want them to be safe and we're going to do everything we can to do that.
Reporter - You asked for videos or anything from the community to help put together that timeline. We obtained a copy of a Twitch video and family members of the Goncalves family were able to identify Maddy and Kaylee in those videos, at a food truck, ordering food. Is the Police Department... are investigators aware of that video and has it helped put together that timeline?
Chief - We are aware of that video and it has helped. It gives us a time and space where we knew where two of our victims were, and that helps us a ton and we'll continue to follow up all leads that we can and continue to gather those.
Reporter - Any indication of a party at the home that night?
Chief - Not that we know of, not at the home. We know that Xana and Ethan were at a different party on campus, but that timeline will still help us if other people know about that.
Reporter - On September 12th, there was a Vandal alert that was sent out about a potential stabbing threat on Paradise Path. Does this have any connection with what we've seen so far?
Chief - Not that we know of it, but we're following up every lead, every piece of information we get, we are following up to ensure that nothing has gone unturned. We want to have the individual identified, who is the suspect of this eventually, so we are literally looking into every aspect of everything.
Reporter - And you guys have said repeatedly that 'there's no threat to the public, but we don't know who the suspect is, we don't know where he's at'. How is there no threat to the public at this point?
Chief - Well, that's kind of an unknown. Like I said, we took the information that we had at the time, but we do need to be aware, the individual is still out there right?. We need to be vigilant. We need to watch out for our neighbours. We're a community policing community. We've said that for years and it's a community that watches out for each other. We need to continue to do that until we can close this off and make an arrest.
Reporter - Why has there been such limited information over the past couple days? I mean, we're almost four days into this - Why's it been so limited?
Chief - That's a difficult... we have a lot of information coming in and, you know, we have tried to push out some information through press releases, but the reality is, I probably should have been standing here a day or so ago, but I'm here now. We're going to continue to be here. We're going to continue to give you the information we can. We care about this community. I care about this community. I've worked here for 27 years. I want this community to be the safest community around.
Reporter - The Mayor has called it a crime of passion. Is there any indication that that's true?
Chief - We're looking into every aspect of this. I'm not going to stipulate whether it's one thing or another. We're going to continue to investigate until we have the facts, because really it's the facts that will drive what the cause of this is. And as we gather evidence we'll get that.
Reporter - Have we looked at any boyfriends or any ex boyfriends, any spouses as a potential suspect?
Chief - I will tell you we are looking at everyone. Every tip we get, every lead we get, there's no-one that we're not going to talk to. There's no-one that we're not going to interview. There's no-one that we're not going to look into and we're going to do our due diligence. We're going to make sure that nothing goes unturned and that we do everything we can, with the assistance with all the resources we have, to get a final answer.
Reporter - So, there were other roommates who lived at that residence. Were the roommates home at the time of the attack?
Chief - There was other people home at that time, but we're not just focusing just on them, were focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence.
Reporter - So, since they were home, was it a hostage situation?
Chief - No, it was not.
Reporter - They didn't call it into police, so were they injured?
Chief - They were not injured, but like I said, we're still following up with everybody that could have been in that area.
Reporter - And how can you say it's a targeted attack if you don't have a suspect?
Chief - Like I said, we take the totality of the situation, we try to make the best.... bit of information that we can with everything that comes in and then we make our decision off of that. So, at this time, I'm not going to expand upon that, but like I've said, we do have a suspect out somewhere and we are looking for that individual, to solve this.
Reporter - I just want to clarify something you said earlier. Over the past couple of days, the information that we've been getting is there is not a threat to the public and earlier I heard you say you can't be sure that there is no threat. I just want to clarify what your stance is on that at this time?
Chief - So, we still believe it's a targeted attack. But the reality is, is there's still a person out there who committed four horrible, horrible crimes. So, I think we got to go back to that there is a threat out there still, possibly. We don't know. We don't believe it's going to be to anybody else, but we all have to be aware of our surroundings and make sure that we're watching out for each other.
Reporter - I know you said when the call came in it was for an unconscious person and also that was a stabbing. It seems, just from an outside perspective looking in, like that would be not the first thing a person calling in would think.
Chief - You're right, but the report that we got was that it was an unconscious individual. It wasn't until our officers arrived on scene, went into do caregiving check on the individual who was unconscious, that we found the scene that we found.
Reporter - Just to follow up on what she asked. So the other two roommates were there at the time of the attack?
Chief - All the information that we have from our investigation is that, yes, they were.
Reporter - But they were unhurt?
Chief - That is correct.
Reporter - So, was there any explanation as to why it took so long then for someone to call 911? You have surviving witnesses to an incident at 3 or 4 in the morning and the 911 call didn't come until noon?
Chief - I don't think I ever said that they were witnesses. I said that they were there. So, you know, we don't know why that call came in at noon and not in the middle of the night, but would we have loved for that to have happened? yes. But that's not how it took place, so, that's why we're investigating everything, still, to try to pull all the pieces together.
Reporter - Were they one of the people.. were they the 911 caller?
Chief - At this point in time, I'm not going to divulge who our 911 caller is, just because I want to keep the integrity of the investigation at this point.
Reporter - Are you able to tell whether the same weapon was used on all four victims?
Chief - You know, that's why we're having the autopsies done. The autopsy will confirm that and hopefully collect some evidence for us, even from those, that's what you do. The autopsies is to try to be thorough and try to gather more. So, we'll leave that, that would probably be something that would come out later.
Reporter - Was there anything missing in the home or were the purses still there? Any robbery attempt, anything like that?
Chief - Nothing that we have identified.
Reporter - I was just wondering, were the two other individuals present at the home when police responded at noon?
Chief - Yes.
Press conference
16th November
Chief - My name is Chief James Fry with the Moscow Police Department. Might be reading from my notes today cause I want the information you receive to be extremely accurate. We know you have questions, and so do we, that is why we're here. I'd like to thank everyone for attending this press conference. (Introduces everyone)
The Moscow Police Department would like to extend our condolences to all family members, friends, the University of Idaho and the Moscow community. This is a horrible crime that took the lives of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves.
This horrible crime has affected all of us, the families, the University of Idaho, our community, our country and our officers. Agencies that are involved in this task force include - The Latah County Sheriff's Office, The Idaho State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigations. As we continue our investigation, we have learned that Ethan and Xana were at a party on campus and Madison and Kaylee were at a downtown bar. They arrived home sometime after 1:45. If anyone in our community, or across our nation has any information about these times or the victims whereabouts, please call our tip line at 208-883-7180. The facts of the case, that we know right now - We know that these homicides occurred in the early morning hours of Sunday, November 13th. Around noon, Moscow officers received a call of an unconscious person. Officers discovered the bodies of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves inside the residence on King Rd. The four were stabbed with a knife, but no weapon has been located at this time.
There was no sign of forced entry into the residence. Investigators are continuing to collect evidence at the scene. Investigators are working to develop a timeline to relevant events. Autopsies are taking place today on all the victims so we can continue to gather evidence and solve the crime. Investigators are working to follow up on all leads and to identify a person of interest. Based on details at the scene, we believe this was an isolated, targeted attack on our victims. We do not have a suspect at this time and that individual is still out there. We cannot say that there is no threat to the community. And as we have stated, please stay vigilant, report any suspicious activity and be aware of your surroundings at all times.
What we do know.. or what we don't know, excuse me - The identity and location of the suspect; the location of the knife or any clothing that was worn by the suspect. Currently, we have 25 plus investigators working this case, as well as assistance from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Idaho State Police. We're reviewing video that has been collected, but we're asking citizens to contact us with any information you may have that will help in this investigation. Once again, we're asking anyone with a tip to call the tip line at 208-883-7180. At this time, I would like to introduce the University of Idaho President, Scott Green.
University President - Thank you Chief Fry. I'm Scott Green, President of the University of Idaho. To us, this crime and the loss of these young lives is just simply beyond comprehension. While our small community is certainly not immune to such things, it's not a situation our close knit campus is used to dealing with. First, my deepest condolences to the families and friends of Ethan, Kaylee, Xana and Madison. Their loss has been devastating and they were bright lights in our community and are deeply missed and remain in our thoughts and our prayers. We've been working with Moscow Police since we were notified on Sunday of the crime. We've helped when asked and continually push for information, whenever possible, knowing that we cannot interfere with the important work and good investigations that are occurring. We just want justice for these victims. Our focus at the University is to support our students and our employees. We are encouraging our students and employees to take care of themselves as we head into Thanksgiving break. I want to take a moment to commend our faculty and staff who have been on the front lines helping our students, whether that is providing counselling to those in need of support, accommodating those who want to travel home, or engaging those who find comfort in staying busy interacting with their peers and our instructors in class. Our employees stepped up when our students needed them. While we have relied heavily on the expertise of Moscow Police, we feel confident that remaining open with flexibility to leave, allows our students to decide what is best for them. The weeks ahead will continue to challenge us as this loss and the circumstances around this crime become known. We will support each other as we grieve and we'll move through this together as a Vandal family. Thank you.
ISP Director - Good afternoon. My name is Kedrick Wills. I serve as a director of the Idaho State Police and as we have this discussion today, I'd like to express my appreciation for your attendance here because it's important, vitally important, that we get the information that we have, out to the public. Crime knows no boundaries and these murders have shaken us to our very core. You heard the University President as well as the Chief of Police talk about this small community and it's a very close tight knit community. And our hearts break for the families that's lost their loved ones, the University of Idaho, the Moscow community, and even within our entire state. Be assured the Idaho State Police is firmly in support of the work that the Moscow Police Department is doing, and we are providing every resource that we can to make sure that this comes to a conclusion with the person or people that is responsible is brought to justice. It's so important that you understand that this takes a team effort. This is teamwork, with the University, with the Moscow City Police Department, the Latah County Sheriff's Dept., the Idaho State Police and the Federal Bureau of Investigation
It takes everybody to be able to do this, and it's a balancing act. It's a balancing act of getting the community the information that they need to have with making sure that we provide a case, that the Latah County Prosecutors office you can go forward with. Governor Little, Idaho's governor, has assured me that the full weight of all the resources, we have within our state, are available to Chief Fry and to his team. Our crime lab is also involved with processing evidence and our law enforcement throughout the region, state and federal agencies, continue to provide resources. From the Idaho State Police's perspective, we provided detectives, here, from this area, as well as detectives from out of the area, State Police Detectives, as well as patrol resources and communication assistance as well, to provide for Chief Fry and his team. Following this briefing our communications director from the Idaho State Police, Aaron Snell, if you'd raise your hand Aaron. He will be the contact for all press media enquiries from here on out. He'll be working closely with Chief Fry and his team and we have additional, like I said, additional patrol and investigation resources brought to bear here as well. We want to do everything we can to make sure that this is done correctly and that the people that are responsible for this are brought to justice.
Chief - So, at this time I'm going to open it up to some questions that I'm sure you have and we'll do the best we can to answer those for you.
Reporter - You mentioned that there's an indication that it's an isolated, targeted, incident and there is an individual somewhere. Can you give us a reason as to why there's that belief there is a suspect? And can you also give a little more information on the forced entry? There's no sign of forced entry, but did it seem like any of the entries were left unlocked by any means?
Chief - I'll answer the last part there just because it's at the front end of my mind. We're not 100% sure if the door was unlocked. There were no damage to anything and the door was still open when we got there.
In these cases we take the totality of the things that we see and they're very dynamic right? and they're very big and there's a lot of information and we try to take that information and some of what we can't share with you, correct? but we try to take that information, we try to make the best educated decision we can. We review that as a team, with our detectives, along with our prosecutors, along with the University and we try to make that best decision on that. So we, at that time, believed that there was no threat and our goal is to provide safety for this community. That's why we're bringing in the resources were bringing. We want a close to this and we want to do everything we can to let the people in our community know that we care. We want them to feel safe. We want them to be safe and we're going to do everything we can to do that.
Reporter - You asked for videos or anything from the community to help put together that timeline. We obtained a copy of a Twitch video and family members of the Goncalves family were able to identify Maddy and Kaylee in those videos, at a food truck, ordering food. Is the Police Department... are investigators aware of that video and has it helped put together that timeline?
Chief - We are aware of that video and it has helped. It gives us a time and space where we knew where two of our victims were, and that helps us a ton and we'll continue to follow up all leads that we can and continue to gather those.
Reporter - Any indication of a party at the home that night?
Chief - Not that we know of, not at the home. We know that Xana and Ethan were at a different party on campus, but that timeline will still help us if other people know about that.
Reporter - On September 12th, there was a Vandal alert that was sent out about a potential stabbing threat on Paradise Path. Does this have any connection with what we've seen so far?
Chief - Not that we know of it, but we're following up every lead, every piece of information we get, we are following up to ensure that nothing has gone unturned. We want to have the individual identified, who is the suspect of this eventually, so we are literally looking into every aspect of everything.
Reporter - And you guys have said repeatedly that 'there's no threat to the public, but we don't know who the suspect is, we don't know where he's at'. How is there no threat to the public at this point?
Chief - Well, that's kind of an unknown. Like I said, we took the information that we had at the time, but we do need to be aware, the individual is still out there right?. We need to be vigilant. We need to watch out for our neighbours. We're a community policing community. We've said that for years and it's a community that watches out for each other. We need to continue to do that until we can close this off and make an arrest.
Reporter - Why has there been such limited information over the past couple days? I mean, we're almost four days into this - Why's it been so limited?
Chief - That's a difficult... we have a lot of information coming in and, you know, we have tried to push out some information through press releases, but the reality is, I probably should have been standing here a day or so ago, but I'm here now. We're going to continue to be here. We're going to continue to give you the information we can. We care about this community. I care about this community. I've worked here for 27 years. I want this community to be the safest community around.
Reporter - The Mayor has called it a crime of passion. Is there any indication that that's true?
Chief - We're looking into every aspect of this. I'm not going to stipulate whether it's one thing or another. We're going to continue to investigate until we have the facts, because really it's the facts that will drive what the cause of this is. And as we gather evidence we'll get that.
Reporter - Have we looked at any boyfriends or any ex boyfriends, any spouses as a potential suspect?
Chief - I will tell you we are looking at everyone. Every tip we get, every lead we get, there's no-one that we're not going to talk to. There's no-one that we're not going to interview. There's no-one that we're not going to look into and we're going to do our due diligence. We're going to make sure that nothing goes unturned and that we do everything we can, with the assistance with all the resources we have, to get a final answer.
Reporter - So, there were other roommates who lived at that residence. Were the roommates home at the time of the attack?
Chief - There was other people home at that time, but we're not just focusing just on them, were focusing on everybody that may be coming and going from that residence.
Reporter - So, since they were home, was it a hostage situation?
Chief - No, it was not.
Reporter - They didn't call it into police, so were they injured?
Chief - They were not injured, but like I said, we're still following up with everybody that could have been in that area.
Reporter - And how can you say it's a targeted attack if you don't have a suspect?
Chief - Like I said, we take the totality of the situation, we try to make the best.... bit of information that we can with everything that comes in and then we make our decision off of that. So, at this time, I'm not going to expand upon that, but like I've said, we do have a suspect out somewhere and we are looking for that individual, to solve this.
Reporter - I just want to clarify something you said earlier. Over the past couple of days, the information that we've been getting is there is not a threat to the public and earlier I heard you say you can't be sure that there is no threat. I just want to clarify what your stance is on that at this time?
Chief - So, we still believe it's a targeted attack. But the reality is, is there's still a person out there who committed four horrible, horrible crimes. So, I think we got to go back to that there is a threat out there still, possibly. We don't know. We don't believe it's going to be to anybody else, but we all have to be aware of our surroundings and make sure that we're watching out for each other.
Reporter - I know you said when the call came in it was for an unconscious person and also that was a stabbing. It seems, just from an outside perspective looking in, like that would be not the first thing a person calling in would think.
Chief - You're right, but the report that we got was that it was an unconscious individual. It wasn't until our officers arrived on scene, went into do caregiving check on the individual who was unconscious, that we found the scene that we found.
Reporter - Just to follow up on what she asked. So the other two roommates were there at the time of the attack?
Chief - All the information that we have from our investigation is that, yes, they were.
Reporter - But they were unhurt?
Chief - That is correct.
Reporter - So, was there any explanation as to why it took so long then for someone to call 911? You have surviving witnesses to an incident at 3 or 4 in the morning and the 911 call didn't come until noon?
Chief - I don't think I ever said that they were witnesses. I said that they were there. So, you know, we don't know why that call came in at noon and not in the middle of the night, but would we have loved for that to have happened? yes. But that's not how it took place, so, that's why we're investigating everything, still, to try to pull all the pieces together.
Reporter - Were they one of the people.. were they the 911 caller?
Chief - At this point in time, I'm not going to divulge who our 911 caller is, just because I want to keep the integrity of the investigation at this point.
Reporter - Are you able to tell whether the same weapon was used on all four victims?
Chief - You know, that's why we're having the autopsies done. The autopsy will confirm that and hopefully collect some evidence for us, even from those, that's what you do. The autopsies is to try to be thorough and try to gather more. So, we'll leave that, that would probably be something that would come out later.
Reporter - Was there anything missing in the home or were the purses still there? Any robbery attempt, anything like that?
Chief - Nothing that we have identified.
Reporter - I was just wondering, were the two other individuals present at the home when police responded at noon?
Chief - Yes.
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Reporter - If you don't mind elaborating a bit more on those two people. Was it two people? What have those people shared about the circumstances of that night, what they saw or didn't see?
Chief - Well, I'm not going to go into what they shared that night. Obviously, that's part of our investigation. That's part of the information that we're trying to build our complete story with. So, as far as that goes, we're not going to go any further into what they... what they know and what they don't know.
Reporter - How many were there?
Chief - We believe 2.
Reporter - Chief, have you looked into the social media accounts of all the different victims? And we understand that one may have had an account linked to her instagram account. Have you looked into those accounts? Have you seen any sort of threats made to any of the individuals?
Chief - So, we are looking at all resources. We've got the likes of the Federal Bureau of Investigation helping us. We got our detectives, our forensic detectives, looking into that. We're trying to pull this whole picture... we're looking at everything that we can look at, social media etc. So, to answer your question, yes, we are.
Reporter - Were the victims all found in one part of the house?
Chief - I'm not going to divulge that either, that's part of our investigation. And at this time, I'm gonna go ahead and close this off, but if you have any questions for the University, we'll open that up at this point in time.
Reporter - What is the University doing to make their students feel safe?
University Dean - Thank you for the question. A question of safety is on everyone's mind right now. We have increased campus safety patrols. Our Executive Director of Campus Safety and Security, Jake Nichols, is out in the hallway, actually here, so I'm sure he'd be able to answer some of those questions. We have a campus safety escort where students can call 24 hours a day, seven days a week to arrange for a security escort to be escorted across campus during the day or night, it doesn't matter, at any point in time. We also providing resources to students to help them navigate through this from an emotional standpoint. We've had drop-in counselling that has been utilised, both in our counselling centre, as well as the Student Union building and we're also supporting students, like President Green indicated, that if they want to leave and go home now, they absolutely can. We're going to support them in doing so. Many students have questions about their academics and what not, but this is a very dynamic fluid situation, and we want to make sure were supporting students, and their families, to get through this the way that they need to.
Reporter - Washington State University is about 8 miles that way. What would you suggest that WSU do to make their students feel safe if they're unsafe?
University Dean - Communication and encouraging students to reach out and use resources. That's a fantastic campus. I've talked to their Dean of Students office yesterday and they are mobilising their support resources. All campuses have supports in place. Students just need to make sure they are leaning in and reaching out to it and many times students don't, but we encourage that, absolutely.
Reporter - (Video freezes)
University President - ....class, they gain comfort from interacting and staying busy with their faculty and attending classes, labs. Some are working on their semester projects. So, we've heard from them. At the same time, we want to provide the ability for any student who did not feel comfortable staying around, who did not want... who was unable to process that, that they had that opportunity to go and we've been helping them as well. All these absences are excused. We've asked our faculty to work with those students who chose to go. And so we felt that this was the best way to respond, to give as much flexibility as we could to our students and our faculty to help manage the situation. And frankly, I think they've done a very, very good job.
Reporter - Is the University working with the parents or the families of the victims? Are you in touch with them?
University Dean - Absolutely. You know, one of the hardest jobs I have is talking to parents of students who have died. It's the absolute worst part of my job. And so I've reached out and made contact with all the families. We've offered our support and we're going to stay in constant contact with them. I've communicated with them, almost everyday. We usually give a little space in time before we reach out just for the sheer shock of absorbing the loss of a child and what that looks like, but we're going to stay in support of them moving forward for the weeks and months to come and in whatever capacity they need.
Reporter - We've talked to a few of them and they've expressed some frustration with the lack of communication from investigators and from the officials involved on that side of it. Has the university heard that from them? How are you working with them to help kind of close that communication gap?
University Dean - Sure. I do know that Captain Barrett from the Moscow Police Department is also in constant contact with them. He reaches out to them on a regular basis, from that standpoint. I think it's safe to say everyone, the families most of all, want information and they want justice and I can't do anything but honour what their needs are and what they are. Whenever I hear concern from the family members about what's going on, I'll definitely make sure I communicate that to the Moscow Police Department. They are very busy, the men and women of this department are working really hard on their behalf and on our communities behalf, but if I can be a conduit to share information, we're absolutely going to do that.
Reporter - Has there been any update on the candlelight vigil that is postponed till after the break?
University Dean - There was a candlelight vigil that was originally scheduled tonight, but because of the volume of students who have left, we want to make sure we're creating space where they can participate. We don't want someone driving back during this time to do that. So, we've rescheduled to November 30th. We haven't finalised the time. We will definitely be sharing that out to our students and our community and the larger community. We're just finalising some details, we're going to communicate that with the families as well. It will be on campus. We haven't figured out the location yet because we're going to be monitoring what the weather looks like. We anticipate a large amount of individuals. That being said, we also have two communities that are just providing beautiful support. There's a candlelight vigil in Boise, tonight, in honour of our law students and there's also a candlelight vigil tonight in (??). And I say nothing but thank you for the love and support from those communities that are supporting us, and we've seen that support come across the country and around the world for the University of Idaho and these families. And so, it's a beautiful thing.
Reporter - President Green, can you talk a little bit about the Vandal alert that involved the knife and how the University handled it and what you found in that case?
University President - Yes. So, basically we were just responding to the information that we had from the Moscow Police Department at that time. We had an incident response team, we gathered Sunday, as we were notified by the Moscow Police Department that there had been a crime committed. At the time, we weren't sure if they were students or not and we wanted to provide help to the Moscow Police Department and we think we were able to do that successfully to help them up, you know, identify those students and contact their relatives. So, beyond that it was just trying to understand what the assessment was of the risk to the campus and we relied on our subject matter experts, as you've heard, they know more than any of us about this and then, based on that, we started making decisions about how to move forward this week.
Reporter - And so, what were those decisions around that initial... or what was the conclusion you had at that point about the level of risk?
University President - Well of course, you know, on the first Vandal alert it was high risk. We had, really, no information and we asked our students to shelter in place until we got the all clear from... well, it wasn't an all clear but, you know, reduced risk, where students could start to move around more freely. We had people sheltering in places like the library and the Pitman Centre and places around campus. We didn't want to keep them there all night, if we didn't have to. So, as soon as Moscow Police Department determined that it was safe for them to begin moving around, but be vigilant, we sent the other vandal alerts.
Reporter - I apologise, I was referring to the earlier Vandal alert, involving the threatening with a knife that happened in September.
University Dean - So, that Vandal alert, we had a group of students walking back to Greek Row from a location off campus. They encountered an individual who is not affiliated with the University. They got into, from my understanding, a verbal altercation and he ended up flashing a knife at them. It was not a stabbing. It was not a stabbing attack. It was a threat, to the best that we know. We sent out a Vandal alert, warning the individuals of our campus community at that time. I don't have the specific date, but it's out there, from that aspect of it and it's my understanding that the individual then later turned himself in to law enforcement and they've addressed what then happens.
Reporter - (Asks if there's any connection to this homicide)
University Dean - That's a question for law Enforcement.
Reporter - Do you know who he is?
University Dean - I know about the incident. I don't know the individual because he's not affiliated with the University. So, my understanding, he turned himself into law enforcement. So, I can't answer the question of whether he's connected with this or not.
Chief - I want to thank you again for coming. That's going to be all the questions we take at this time and we appreciate you coming and spending time with us and we will continue to put out information, as we have time. And we want to reassure the community that the Moscow Police Department and everybody working on this will do everything we can. We love this community. A lot of us went to the University of Idaho and we are Vandal's and we will do everything we can to solve this. Thank you.
Chief - Well, I'm not going to go into what they shared that night. Obviously, that's part of our investigation. That's part of the information that we're trying to build our complete story with. So, as far as that goes, we're not going to go any further into what they... what they know and what they don't know.
Reporter - How many were there?
Chief - We believe 2.
Reporter - Chief, have you looked into the social media accounts of all the different victims? And we understand that one may have had an account linked to her instagram account. Have you looked into those accounts? Have you seen any sort of threats made to any of the individuals?
Chief - So, we are looking at all resources. We've got the likes of the Federal Bureau of Investigation helping us. We got our detectives, our forensic detectives, looking into that. We're trying to pull this whole picture... we're looking at everything that we can look at, social media etc. So, to answer your question, yes, we are.
Reporter - Were the victims all found in one part of the house?
Chief - I'm not going to divulge that either, that's part of our investigation. And at this time, I'm gonna go ahead and close this off, but if you have any questions for the University, we'll open that up at this point in time.
Reporter - What is the University doing to make their students feel safe?
University Dean - Thank you for the question. A question of safety is on everyone's mind right now. We have increased campus safety patrols. Our Executive Director of Campus Safety and Security, Jake Nichols, is out in the hallway, actually here, so I'm sure he'd be able to answer some of those questions. We have a campus safety escort where students can call 24 hours a day, seven days a week to arrange for a security escort to be escorted across campus during the day or night, it doesn't matter, at any point in time. We also providing resources to students to help them navigate through this from an emotional standpoint. We've had drop-in counselling that has been utilised, both in our counselling centre, as well as the Student Union building and we're also supporting students, like President Green indicated, that if they want to leave and go home now, they absolutely can. We're going to support them in doing so. Many students have questions about their academics and what not, but this is a very dynamic fluid situation, and we want to make sure were supporting students, and their families, to get through this the way that they need to.
Reporter - Washington State University is about 8 miles that way. What would you suggest that WSU do to make their students feel safe if they're unsafe?
University Dean - Communication and encouraging students to reach out and use resources. That's a fantastic campus. I've talked to their Dean of Students office yesterday and they are mobilising their support resources. All campuses have supports in place. Students just need to make sure they are leaning in and reaching out to it and many times students don't, but we encourage that, absolutely.
Reporter - (Video freezes)
University President - ....class, they gain comfort from interacting and staying busy with their faculty and attending classes, labs. Some are working on their semester projects. So, we've heard from them. At the same time, we want to provide the ability for any student who did not feel comfortable staying around, who did not want... who was unable to process that, that they had that opportunity to go and we've been helping them as well. All these absences are excused. We've asked our faculty to work with those students who chose to go. And so we felt that this was the best way to respond, to give as much flexibility as we could to our students and our faculty to help manage the situation. And frankly, I think they've done a very, very good job.
Reporter - Is the University working with the parents or the families of the victims? Are you in touch with them?
University Dean - Absolutely. You know, one of the hardest jobs I have is talking to parents of students who have died. It's the absolute worst part of my job. And so I've reached out and made contact with all the families. We've offered our support and we're going to stay in constant contact with them. I've communicated with them, almost everyday. We usually give a little space in time before we reach out just for the sheer shock of absorbing the loss of a child and what that looks like, but we're going to stay in support of them moving forward for the weeks and months to come and in whatever capacity they need.
Reporter - We've talked to a few of them and they've expressed some frustration with the lack of communication from investigators and from the officials involved on that side of it. Has the university heard that from them? How are you working with them to help kind of close that communication gap?
University Dean - Sure. I do know that Captain Barrett from the Moscow Police Department is also in constant contact with them. He reaches out to them on a regular basis, from that standpoint. I think it's safe to say everyone, the families most of all, want information and they want justice and I can't do anything but honour what their needs are and what they are. Whenever I hear concern from the family members about what's going on, I'll definitely make sure I communicate that to the Moscow Police Department. They are very busy, the men and women of this department are working really hard on their behalf and on our communities behalf, but if I can be a conduit to share information, we're absolutely going to do that.
Reporter - Has there been any update on the candlelight vigil that is postponed till after the break?
University Dean - There was a candlelight vigil that was originally scheduled tonight, but because of the volume of students who have left, we want to make sure we're creating space where they can participate. We don't want someone driving back during this time to do that. So, we've rescheduled to November 30th. We haven't finalised the time. We will definitely be sharing that out to our students and our community and the larger community. We're just finalising some details, we're going to communicate that with the families as well. It will be on campus. We haven't figured out the location yet because we're going to be monitoring what the weather looks like. We anticipate a large amount of individuals. That being said, we also have two communities that are just providing beautiful support. There's a candlelight vigil in Boise, tonight, in honour of our law students and there's also a candlelight vigil tonight in (??). And I say nothing but thank you for the love and support from those communities that are supporting us, and we've seen that support come across the country and around the world for the University of Idaho and these families. And so, it's a beautiful thing.
Reporter - President Green, can you talk a little bit about the Vandal alert that involved the knife and how the University handled it and what you found in that case?
University President - Yes. So, basically we were just responding to the information that we had from the Moscow Police Department at that time. We had an incident response team, we gathered Sunday, as we were notified by the Moscow Police Department that there had been a crime committed. At the time, we weren't sure if they were students or not and we wanted to provide help to the Moscow Police Department and we think we were able to do that successfully to help them up, you know, identify those students and contact their relatives. So, beyond that it was just trying to understand what the assessment was of the risk to the campus and we relied on our subject matter experts, as you've heard, they know more than any of us about this and then, based on that, we started making decisions about how to move forward this week.
Reporter - And so, what were those decisions around that initial... or what was the conclusion you had at that point about the level of risk?
University President - Well of course, you know, on the first Vandal alert it was high risk. We had, really, no information and we asked our students to shelter in place until we got the all clear from... well, it wasn't an all clear but, you know, reduced risk, where students could start to move around more freely. We had people sheltering in places like the library and the Pitman Centre and places around campus. We didn't want to keep them there all night, if we didn't have to. So, as soon as Moscow Police Department determined that it was safe for them to begin moving around, but be vigilant, we sent the other vandal alerts.
Reporter - I apologise, I was referring to the earlier Vandal alert, involving the threatening with a knife that happened in September.
University Dean - So, that Vandal alert, we had a group of students walking back to Greek Row from a location off campus. They encountered an individual who is not affiliated with the University. They got into, from my understanding, a verbal altercation and he ended up flashing a knife at them. It was not a stabbing. It was not a stabbing attack. It was a threat, to the best that we know. We sent out a Vandal alert, warning the individuals of our campus community at that time. I don't have the specific date, but it's out there, from that aspect of it and it's my understanding that the individual then later turned himself in to law enforcement and they've addressed what then happens.
Reporter - (Asks if there's any connection to this homicide)
University Dean - That's a question for law Enforcement.
Reporter - Do you know who he is?
University Dean - I know about the incident. I don't know the individual because he's not affiliated with the University. So, my understanding, he turned himself into law enforcement. So, I can't answer the question of whether he's connected with this or not.
Chief - I want to thank you again for coming. That's going to be all the questions we take at this time and we appreciate you coming and spending time with us and we will continue to put out information, as we have time. And we want to reassure the community that the Moscow Police Department and everybody working on this will do everything we can. We love this community. A lot of us went to the University of Idaho and we are Vandal's and we will do everything we can to solve this. Thank you.