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Video of the long awaited Jeep Grand Wagoneer. It must be around $100,000
View: https://youtu.be/TsIRHZ0AOmI
6:30 min
6:30 min
That's a shiny toy I could get used to but for now I'll stick with my F150'sYeah, Not even interested.
That's a Jeep huh, Lets see it do something, anything Jeep.
Over thought shiny toy.
Yeah, Not even interested.
That's a Jeep huh, Lets see it do something, anything Jeep.
Over thought shiny toy.
Yeah, Not even interested.
That's a Jeep huh, Lets see it do something, anything Jeep.
Over thought shiny toy.
Made by Fiat. Days of the Jeep are over.
That Gladiator is an excellent choice and taste. I love it, rode in my nieces just yesterday.I absolutely loved the old Wagoneers. This is a far stretch, but it’s growing on me. We have been a Jeep family for over 17 years owning many of their platforms. The straight line engine Cherokee Sport was our first Jeep. That car had 220,000 miles on it when we traded it for a new. Two years later the next owner somehow got our address and sent us an email thanking us for taking such good care of it, and it had 290,000 on it then. It was a beast, sucked on brakes though. It was practically bullet proof.
Most everyone of them were excellent vehicles. The exception was the new model year for the new style Jeep Cherokee. That had transmission issues. Owned 3 Grand Cherokees ... never a problem and absolutely loved them. I expect this new Grand Wagoneer to be a better, bigger vehicle for those who need it. 3 rows of seats vs 2.
We‘re about to get rid of our 2017 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Recon ... gonna miss that car. We’ve a 2020 Jeep Gladiator to replace it. Honestly ... it drives better than the Wrangler. At first I didn’t like the Gladitor ... but the upper models look much better ... it grew on me too.
If money weren’t a issue ... I’d wouldn’t mind that new Grand Wagoneer.
Im sure the new ones will break less then this thing. Even with all the fancy wizzbangs.
Et2, you trading in the Rubicon or selling it? I have the 06 rubicon in the extended body wrangler and I just love that thing. Even with the 3 in lift. But for the "gramma vehicle" with a lot of running around/in & out stops... I'd rather deal with the normal height frame. Looking for the 4 door model sans all the electronic BS; manual; hard top (since I really don't "go to town" that much anymore; just nothing I need to do there).
It's either that, or I'm buying a pickup. Much more useful around here.
Not to hijack the wagoneer thread, if you remove bluetooth complaints and funny warning lights you would probably find that cars built today mechanically are far more reliable and trouble free.The level of complexity in new cars is astounding.
I'm elbow deep into the guts of my Duramax right now.
There are at least three dozen electrical doo-dads that I can't immediately identify around the engine. All have to be unplugged and moved...or abandoned.
That said, I'd guess the number of failures per miles driven is way above what it was 20-30-40 years ago.
Not to hijack the wagoneer thread, if you remove bluetooth complaints and funny warning lights you would probably find that cars built today mechanically are far more reliable and trouble free.
The Wrangler can still be bought with a manual trans, and manual transfer case. Electronics locking axles. They will soon or already have it in a diesel.If it's anything like some of newer Jeeps produced in the last 15 years it's not anything close to what they produced in the past.
Bet you cannot order one with a manual transmission, or manual locking hubs and forget the two speed manual transfer it's all push button that will quickly burn out if left on for any serious length of time.
Lease car ... end of lease In November. I was planning on keeping it, but due to pay cuts at work that isn’t happening. 4 dr hard top. About 50,000 miles on it. In really great condition. The Recon model does come with a 2 in lift and 33” tires. It has a towing base plate for towing behind a MH I added. Lockers, front and rear. Auto trans.
Here’s what it looks like ... with top off.
2017 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon Looks Trail-Ready in Chicago
The level of complexity in new cars is astounding.
I'm elbow deep into the guts of my Duramax right now.
There are at least three dozen electrical doo-dads that I can't immediately identify around the engine. All have to be unplugged and moved...or abandoned.
That said, I'd guess the number of failures per miles driven is way above what it was 20-30-40 years ago.
Yep. Fiat never made a good vehicle ever and why they think putting Fiat parts in a Chrysler labeled vehicle is a good idea is beyond me. I know some local mechanics and they all say they would not buy a Chrysler. The same is true with Nissan. Their reputation back in the day was right up there with Toyota but no more. Lousy transmissions and electrical problems are legendary. I'd also avoid anything GM, especially the Canyon pickup and the GM version. If you buy a new one, dump it after it reaches about 80K miles. The geniuses put a timing chain between the engine and transmission. Lots of hours of labor to replace those. When shops charge $75 to $125 per hour it adds up quick.
Is it an FCA lease? If so I can PM you some "tips" to look out for before you return it. I do a lot of these vehicles.
jeep in name only, windshield doesn't fold down.
It’s a credit Union lease ... not FCA
Ok, halfway through the video now; a couple of thoughts:
One, that's a LOT of screens inside. I'd bet that the production model has less of a "glass cockpit". And there's a LOT of exterior glass on the one shown; bet that's their "luxury" model. Most of the production models won't have an entirely-glass roof, which sounds cool until you leave the car out in the sun for a couple of hours, as many Tesla drivers have discovered to their extreme discomfort.
Two, that sequential light-up sequence is cute. Once. In real life, that's going to get silly and overdramatic very quickly.
Three, I think we might FINALLY be about to see a full-sized Ram SUV to compete with the GM Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon and the Ford Expedition. The headlight clusters on that Wagoneer are suspiciously similar to the new Ram pickup headlights. If FCA doesn't "borrow" the GW platform to build an equivalent Ram SUV line (presumably less luxurious and more workaday) they're idiots.
ETA: and I think they are consciously underbranding the GW, with almost no mention of the name Jeep, because they're trying to position it as more of a luxurious large SUV rather than a raw trail machine like the old GW and full-sized Cherokee were. It'll still be very capable offroad, but they obviously want to start competing with the other high-end off-road machines like Range Rover/Land Rover and the Toyota Land Cruiser.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pwTDQbTnzs
run time 14:18
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