et2
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Video of the long awaited Jeep Grand Wagoneer. It must be around $100,000
View: https://youtu.be/TsIRHZ0AOmI
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VIDEO 2022 Jeep Grand Wagoneer
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Normallguy
"just a human bein'"
Yeah, Not even interested.
That's a Jeep huh, Lets see it do something, anything Jeep.
Over thought shiny toy.
That's a Jeep huh, Lets see it do something, anything Jeep.
Over thought shiny toy.
MountainBiker
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That's a shiny toy I could get used to but for now I'll stick with my F150's
AlfaMan
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Good to see this video finally hit the public. Expect this Wagoneer to cost around 80-85K fully loaded. And it's all gussied up but it's still a Jeep. Their current vehicles are all very nice, but the nice thing is, they're still very capable off road vehicles. The Grand Cherokee in particular. Glad to see the front light sequencing made it out to public view. It's a neat feature. Some of the components in this new vehicle are Ram pickup components by the way. The video panel treatment is something you will see in the next Grand Cherokee too. Possibly the Wrangler. A 3 litre diesel motor will be offered when the Wagoneer hits the European market.
This vehicle will prove to be a worthy competitor to the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban/ Escalade. The new Expedition/Navigator is in the same class as the Wagoneer; more than a match for anything built in Europe or Asia (although the coming Hyundai Genesis SUV is supposed to be seriously swanky.) Put them all side by side and the Suburban,even the Escalade feels cheap. The recent rework didn't help their bean counter driven manufacturing gospel.
Notice the tires-they're Pirelli P Zeros' and look to be similar size as those on the Challenger/ Charger sportier models (245/45/20 99V speed rating). That's a healthy tire for an SUV.
I can predict the town car and livery markets are applauding the arrival of this vehicle. Gives them something different for their clients to be seen in and the cargo bay is humongous......
This vehicle will prove to be a worthy competitor to the Chevy Tahoe and Suburban/ Escalade. The new Expedition/Navigator is in the same class as the Wagoneer; more than a match for anything built in Europe or Asia (although the coming Hyundai Genesis SUV is supposed to be seriously swanky.) Put them all side by side and the Suburban,even the Escalade feels cheap. The recent rework didn't help their bean counter driven manufacturing gospel.
Notice the tires-they're Pirelli P Zeros' and look to be similar size as those on the Challenger/ Charger sportier models (245/45/20 99V speed rating). That's a healthy tire for an SUV.
I can predict the town car and livery markets are applauding the arrival of this vehicle. Gives them something different for their clients to be seen in and the cargo bay is humongous......
Marseydoats
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Wagoneers are supposed to be wood paneled. That's just wrong in my book.
TA12SEC
Senior Member
It's a nice truck, people forget that its a homage to the OG grand wagoneer. That was a luxury family wagon. It was the first luxury suv type vehicle. Its was never a 4x4 monster. I have one its a very upscale vehicle for 1989. It has nice leather and wood on the inside. It rides like a cloud. It has 4x4 but its aimed at getting you home in the snow or to the country club more then the mud bog.
People are mad at the price, in 1990 a suburban would set you back 15500, the grand wagoneer would set you back 29000. 90k suv is a stupid amount of money, but go option out a Tahoe and your in the same price. The grand is also aiming to compete with rover, Benz, BMW crowd.
I won't be buying one but I think jeep did a great job.
People are mad at the price, in 1990 a suburban would set you back 15500, the grand wagoneer would set you back 29000. 90k suv is a stupid amount of money, but go option out a Tahoe and your in the same price. The grand is also aiming to compete with rover, Benz, BMW crowd.
I won't be buying one but I think jeep did a great job.
Sacajawea
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TEOTJAWKI.
I'm sorry. While that "thing" has been impressively Californicated... I guarantee most of 'em are going to be involved in more crashes than most vehicles with all those damn buttons and screens. Wanna start a pool on how soon it'll develop one of those electronic "ghosts" that are impossible to trace down? I do like the size of it - but NOT in an EV.
And the price of it... well, let's just say that's helped me narrow down a reasonable price range for a pre-05 4 door wrangler, with the proper combination of off-road and highway features to it. (Pre-excessive electronic bullshit.)
The first thing that went through my head, was there is absolutely NO WAY to "gravedigger" that thing up without it looking stupid as hell.
My roads would eat those tires in one winter. (And I love Pirelli's in the right conditions...)
The light scheme will have a lot of those hoods sporting antler hood ornaments, within 6 months.
And I'm sure the maintenance schedule is going to require rocket scientists to change the damn oil.
The price made me think it oughta be sporting a Porsche badge.
I'm sorry. While that "thing" has been impressively Californicated... I guarantee most of 'em are going to be involved in more crashes than most vehicles with all those damn buttons and screens. Wanna start a pool on how soon it'll develop one of those electronic "ghosts" that are impossible to trace down? I do like the size of it - but NOT in an EV.
And the price of it... well, let's just say that's helped me narrow down a reasonable price range for a pre-05 4 door wrangler, with the proper combination of off-road and highway features to it. (Pre-excessive electronic bullshit.)
The first thing that went through my head, was there is absolutely NO WAY to "gravedigger" that thing up without it looking stupid as hell.
My roads would eat those tires in one winter. (And I love Pirelli's in the right conditions...)
The light scheme will have a lot of those hoods sporting antler hood ornaments, within 6 months.
And I'm sure the maintenance schedule is going to require rocket scientists to change the damn oil.
The price made me think it oughta be sporting a Porsche badge.
If it's anything like some of newer Jeeps produced in the last 15 years it's not anything close to what they produced in the past.
Bet you cannot order one with a manual transmission, or manual locking hubs and forget the two speed manual transfer it's all push button that will quickly burn out if left on for any serious length of time.
Bet you cannot order one with a manual transmission, or manual locking hubs and forget the two speed manual transfer it's all push button that will quickly burn out if left on for any serious length of time.
et2
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I absolutely loved the old Wagoneers. This is a far stretch, but it’s growing on me. We have been a Jeep family for over 17 years owning many of their platforms. The straight line engine Cherokee Sport was our first Jeep. That car had 220,000 miles on it when we traded it for a new. Two years later the next owner somehow got our address and sent us an email thanking us for taking such good care of it, and it had 290,000 on it then. It was a beast, sucked on brakes though. It was practically bullet proof.
Most everyone of them were excellent vehicles. The exception was the new model year for the new style Jeep Cherokee. That had transmission issues. Owned 3 Grand Cherokees ... never a problem and absolutely loved them. I expect this new Grand Wagoneer to be a better, bigger vehicle for those who need it. 3 rows of seats vs 2.
We‘re about to get rid of our 2017 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Recon ... gonna miss that car. We’ve a 2020 Jeep Gladiator to replace it. Honestly ... it drives better than the Wrangler. At first I didn’t like the Gladitor ... but the upper models look much better ... it grew on me too.
If money weren’t a issue ... I’d wouldn’t mind that new Grand Wagoneer.
Most everyone of them were excellent vehicles. The exception was the new model year for the new style Jeep Cherokee. That had transmission issues. Owned 3 Grand Cherokees ... never a problem and absolutely loved them. I expect this new Grand Wagoneer to be a better, bigger vehicle for those who need it. 3 rows of seats vs 2.
We‘re about to get rid of our 2017 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon Recon ... gonna miss that car. We’ve a 2020 Jeep Gladiator to replace it. Honestly ... it drives better than the Wrangler. At first I didn’t like the Gladitor ... but the upper models look much better ... it grew on me too.
If money weren’t a issue ... I’d wouldn’t mind that new Grand Wagoneer.
This was the real Wagoneer.
Tough old trucks.
They were heavy, when you stuck one it was an ordeal to get them out.
Tough old trucks.
They were heavy, when you stuck one it was an ordeal to get them out.
Sacajawea
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Et2, you trading in the Rubicon or selling it? I have the 06 rubicon in the extended body wrangler and I just love that thing. Even with the 3 in lift. But for the "gramma vehicle" with a lot of running around/in & out stops... I'd rather deal with the normal height frame. Looking for the 4 door model sans all the electronic BS; manual; hard top (since I really don't "go to town" that much anymore; just nothing I need to do there).
It's either that, or I'm buying a pickup. Much more useful around here.
It's either that, or I'm buying a pickup. Much more useful around here.
I hear you. I love my '07 Grand but it still blends in with every other modrn SUV of the same style and body type in the parking lot. My '78 stood out and it could climb trees.
The '07 can still climb trees, full skid plate and trail-rated but needs bigger tires and armor.
That thing?
Mall Cruiser.
modernbeat
Dallas, TX
Having driven late model Range Rovers compared to my built TJ Rubicon, the high tech and automated systems can push the cars far further than you'd think, and make best use of the available grip. Where they fall down is crawling over taller obstacles, or surviving and running after some damage.
Yep. Fiat never made a good vehicle ever and why they think putting Fiat parts in a Chrysler labeled vehicle is a good idea is beyond me. I know some local mechanics and they all say they would not buy a Chrysler. The same is true with Nissan. Their reputation back in the day was right up there with Toyota but no more. Lousy transmissions and electrical problems are legendary. I'd also avoid anything GM, especially the Canyon pickup and the GM version. If you buy a new one, dump it after it reaches about 80K miles. The geniuses put a timing chain between the engine and transmission. Lots of hours of labor to replace those. When shops charge $75 to $125 per hour it adds up quick.
TA12SEC
Senior Member
Few original wagoneer ads. I will add my 1989 is a neat car, but it breaks more then any car I have ever owned, which is alot of cars 40+ including old porsches and Mercedes. It gets 6-8 mpg on the highway and the brakes are terrifying. Im sure the new ones will break less then this thing. Even with all the fancy wizzbangs.
Attachments
The level of complexity in new cars is astounding.
I'm elbow deep into the guts of my Duramax right now.
There are at least three dozen electrical doo-dads that I can't immediately identify around the engine. All have to be unplugged and moved...or abandoned.
That said, I'd guess the number of failures per miles driven is way above what it was 20-30-40 years ago.
et2
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Lease car ... end of lease In November. I was planning on keeping it, but due to pay cuts at work that isn’t happening. 4 dr hard top. About 50,000 miles on it. In really great condition. The Recon model does come with a 2 in lift and 33” tires. It has a towing base plate for towing behind a MH I added. Lockers, front and rear. Auto trans.
Here’s what it looks like ... with top off.
2017 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Recon Looks Trail-Ready in Chicago
TA12SEC
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Not to hijack the wagoneer thread, if you remove bluetooth complaints and funny warning lights you would probably find that cars built today mechanically are far more reliable and trouble free.
Exactly.
I'm not at all familiar with the guts of Jeep/Mopar/Fiat products. Every brand/model has particular problems, knowing these ahead of time should be a large part of your purchasing decision.
The first thing to do is find a vehicle specific forum. Many of those peeps are geeks about the particular vehicles. They know every system and component. Often, dealer Techs are members and can give valuable insight.
All that considered, I would never buy a first year model or platform makeover.
et2
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The Wrangler can still be bought with a manual trans, and manual transfer case. Electronics locking axles. They will soon or already have it in a diesel.
cliff dweller
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jeep in name only, windshield doesn't fold down.
AlfaMan
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Chevy Duramax-Isuzu diesel. Same as what's in their NPR trucks. Fiddly motors, especially in cold weather. Top end sensors are fuel air mixture sensors, EGR and emissions sensors.
AlfaMan
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Wow, that's a pretty broad brush Poppy. Having owned 4 different Fiats and about 10 different Alfa Romeos, I have to disagree with you. Heartily disagree with you.
My '81 Fiat X 1/9 and my '73 2000 Berlina and '78 Alfetta sedan rate among the most bulletproof cars I've ever owned. Sure, they're a touch more maintenance intensive than a Honda or Chevy; but in my experience (I bought broken ones, fixed them up, drove the piss ! out of them and resold them. Autocrossed one of the X 1/9s.) the only parts that broke on those cars are the German made parts. Literally-Bosch relays alternators and L Jetronic fuel injectors are the only things I ever had break down on me on all of them. I ran Fiat and Alfa Romeos as daily drivers for probably 10 years-never got stranded once. Experience one, you'll change your mind. When you can run a 1.5 litre motor for an entire day doing 7500 RPM (redline on the X 1/9) shifts consistently AND 3000 rpm downshifts with ZERO valve float-that is some good engineering. Closest one can get to driving a mid engined Formula race car with tags on it. And incredible fun to boot
There are two current Jeep models that are either Fiat vehicles or Fiat derived. The Jeep Renegade is an Americanized version of the Fiat Marea Weekend. They don't break-I believe that model currently holds FCA's record for fewest dealer warranty issues of any model in their entire product line. And it doesn't look like it but it's actually a pretty capable 4x4. And it's big enough to stuff a 65" LCD TV inside too.
The new Jeep Compass has the front apron structure and most of the unibody of the Fiat 500X (4 door) SUV. Again, capable and low maintenance. Looks good too.
No recalls that stand out in my mind on either model either. Unlike the rest of the FCA product line (Ram trucks, Chrysler 300/Dodge Charger/Challenger). The Fiat models have better paint than anything in the FCA product line except for Jeep Grand Cherokees and the current Alfa Romeo Giulia and Stelvio. The Giulia and Stelvio have better paint than a 300 K Bentley or Rolls, seriously. Paint is like glass, it's gorgeous. Best on the market currently (unlike the rest of the FCA line where orange peel and trash in the paint is the rule rather than the exception).
The current Nissan issues are CVT transmissions and on the older Nissan Altimas electrical boogabears and timing chain issues. Otherwise Nissan's current models aren't bad. They are built to a price so materials used in construction is a little cheap (especially the interiors) and the electronics on a lot of Nissans are Chinese sourced. But their engineering is actually quite good.
Toyota currently has a number of issues; I wouldn't buy a current one. Don't like weak brakes and not great build quality (on the US made ones. Highlander in particular-slapped together. Out of work GM assembly line workers must have gone to Toyota).
(Interesting to note-I drive a Suzuki myself. In Japan they are currently #2 in initial quality behind Toyota (Japanese market built vehicles). Suzuki builds a better car than Toyota now in my opinion. In Japan Nissan is #3 in initial quality currently.
I'll pass on any GM product right now (except for the new Buick Regal-built better than any car currently coming out of Germany). Bean counters have picked those cars clean of any cost cutting "fat", resulting in a company slam full of "meh" cars and trucks. Recalls on some GM products today aren't just onsie twosie-Some vehicles have full PAGES of recalls. Like the new Suburbans that pull to the right, brand new and out of the factory-and it ain't an alignment issue either!)
The Chevy Canyon is probably the only unibody on frame vehicle still being built in America. And it always seems like they experimented with that truck. Remember the 5 cylinder motors with the CV axles going THROUGH the oil pan? Thanks I'll pass! And you're right about the timing chain, reminds me on how the Saab 900's used to have their transmissions at the front of the engine and everything else was up against the firewall. Interesting concept, lousy execution.
et2
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It’s a credit Union lease ... not FCA
Con-tractor
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AlfaMan
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OK good. Chrysler capital can be a bit picky regarding dents and tires. With credit union you should be ok. Remember that worn tires aren't a normal wear item-if they're worn down to 3/32" the maker considers them worn and the customer has to pay for the replacement. That's what gets a lot of lease holders; that and using touchup paint to cover small scratches. Car makers consider touchup paint a substandard repair. With touchup paint used, now you have to respray the entire panel rather than that 1" scratch. And dealers hand out touchup paint like candy on Halloween, they want you to use it! Because they get the work to respray the touchuped panel when the car is turned in.
Haven't watched the video yet, but for those dismissing the GW as an overloaded "mall-crawler" with too many toys and gadgets, keep in mind that the current Land Rover Discovery, the big Range Rover, and the Toyota Land Cruiser are all "plastic wonders" with sleek crossover-like bodywork and a LOT of technology stuffed into them, and all three will easily keep up with a Jeep Rubicon in almost every off-road situation short of going through The Hammers or Disney. Jeep makes a point of ensuring that there is at least one "trail-ready" trim level for every model they make, meaning that that trim level should be able to handle the Rubicon trail. I would expect Jeep's "other" flagship vehicle (besides the Wrangler) to be no less capable.
Ok, halfway through the video now; a couple of thoughts:
One, that's a LOT of screens inside. I'd bet that the production model has less of a "glass cockpit". And there's a LOT of exterior glass on the one shown; bet that's their "luxury" model. Most of the production models won't have an entirely-glass roof, which sounds cool until you leave the car out in the sun for a couple of hours, as many Tesla drivers have discovered to their extreme discomfort.
Two, that sequential light-up sequence is cute. Once. In real life, that's going to get silly and overdramatic very quickly.
Three, I think we might FINALLY be about to see a full-sized Ram SUV to compete with the GM Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon and the Ford Expedition. The headlight clusters on that Wagoneer are suspiciously similar to the new Ram pickup headlights. If FCA doesn't "borrow" the GW platform to build an equivalent Ram SUV line (presumably less luxurious and more workaday) they're idiots.
ETA: and I think they are consciously underbranding the GW, with almost no mention of the name Jeep, because they're trying to position it as more of a luxurious large SUV rather than a raw trail machine like the old GW and full-sized Cherokee were. It'll still be very capable offroad, but they obviously want to start competing with the other high-end off-road machines like Range Rover/Land Rover and the Toyota Land Cruiser.
One, that's a LOT of screens inside. I'd bet that the production model has less of a "glass cockpit". And there's a LOT of exterior glass on the one shown; bet that's their "luxury" model. Most of the production models won't have an entirely-glass roof, which sounds cool until you leave the car out in the sun for a couple of hours, as many Tesla drivers have discovered to their extreme discomfort.
Two, that sequential light-up sequence is cute. Once. In real life, that's going to get silly and overdramatic very quickly.
Three, I think we might FINALLY be about to see a full-sized Ram SUV to compete with the GM Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon and the Ford Expedition. The headlight clusters on that Wagoneer are suspiciously similar to the new Ram pickup headlights. If FCA doesn't "borrow" the GW platform to build an equivalent Ram SUV line (presumably less luxurious and more workaday) they're idiots.
ETA: and I think they are consciously underbranding the GW, with almost no mention of the name Jeep, because they're trying to position it as more of a luxurious large SUV rather than a raw trail machine like the old GW and full-sized Cherokee were. It'll still be very capable offroad, but they obviously want to start competing with the other high-end off-road machines like Range Rover/Land Rover and the Toyota Land Cruiser.
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Chance
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This has things I'd never even think of......and you don't have to wait for 2022.
The New 2021 Genesis GV80
Old Reliable
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I'll stick with my F-350 4X4 pick up.
Con-tractor
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The whole thing is built on the RAM platform so that is why you see it looking like a RAM. Also you caught my point, it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to make Grand a sub-brand or GW the sub and have smaller versions of this monster.
Chance
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.....by 2021 we'll all need bullet proof glass/doors, a front ramming bumper along with a surface-to-surface missile launcher.
Maybe those will be purchasable options.
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