Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Yep, those weapons on the roofs of Washington DC are all meant to be used on those 1st amendment
people, you know, American citizens, us.
ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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people, you know, American citizens, us.
wait-n-see
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The only thing is we don't have the maneuver elements nor their required support to be able to effective deploy anywhere near a valid force of the size you mention in the area for quite some time, if at all anytime.
We may not even have enough effective gun fighters left in the core infantry combat formations at this time to be more than a blip in the current war considering the supply train requirements for in country Ukraine as we would still be having to supply Ukraine forces besides our own.
Remember how long it took for us to deploy in '91 while an incompetent enemy allowed us the time to do that?
danielboon
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I hope everyone is ready
wait-n-see
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Didn't those silly Russians get the memo! That was where Ukraine was going to launch it's mighty offensive in the first phase of taking back Crimea!
Oh boy, someone is in trouble now!
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Anybody know how many Ukrainian soldiers will be needed to operate and maintain all this stuff?
Intel Slava Z
The proposed package of military assistance to be provided to Ukraine: 14 Challenger 2 tanks 100 modern rockets (?) 30 SPG AS90 200 BMP/BTR 200 Senator armored vehicles 1 NASAMS air defense battery 14 tanks Leopard 2 100 BMP Bradley 55 armored vehicles 100 BTR M113 18 self-propelled...t.me
The proposed package of military assistance to be provided to Ukraine:
14 Challenger 2 tanks
100 modern rockets (?)
30 SPG AS90
200 BMP/BTR
200 Senator armored vehicles
1 NASAMS air defense battery
14 tanks Leopard 2
100 BMP Bradley
55 armored vehicles
100 BTR M113
18 self-propelled guns M109А6
250 BTR M1117
138 HMMWV armored vehicles
100 Stryker APC
GLSDB
36 105mm howitzers
1 Patriot Air Defense/O Battery
6 Nasams air defense batteries
18 HIMARS
40(?) AMX-10RC wheeled tanks
(?) Bastion armored cars
40 Marder BMP
1 Patriot AA/O Battery
3 Iris-T air defense batteries + 3 TRML-4D radars
2 TRML-4D radar
16 Zuzana-2 SPG
120 T-72 tank
1 Patriot AA/O Battery
50 CV-90 BMP
12 Archer SPG
1 AA/O SAMP/T Battery
26-30 SAU Dana-M2
10+ howitzers 155mm FH70
10+ howitzers 122mm D30
? SAU Caesar (?)
Or are other experienced soldiers also coming with it?
What kind of number we looking at?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
vector7
Dot Collector
LightEcho
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The ONLY GAME CHANGER would be the US entering this war directly with the M1 Abrams - and several hundred thousand troops - the way things are going - VERY LIKELY
We are already on that path and the game has already changed to an irreversible destruction. Right now it is all on the Russian time and they want to delay things as long as the US continues to remain weak. Attrition as a strategy against a bleeding enemy is much desired if the enemy is controlled and you can be patient.
At the first major change from our side that represents a significant threat to Russia, they will go full nuke against our military bases, missile silos, major city areas, weapons manufacturers, ocean fleets, US and Euro infrastructures, satellites, naval ports. We are close to that , but I think it could be months before it happens. I expect Russia to clean up Ukraine, march through Latvia & Estonia, yielding new ports for their navy, and then pushing through Lithuania. On one scenario, this all happens as NATO bleeds out much of its resources and the US goes into civil war. That would be the slow and more gentle way before the fires. Watch for internal US disruptions to get worse.
wait-n-see
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Interesting how they are only comparing basic training length of 5 weeks for the new Ukraine troops to 12 required for Australian troops, and how they conveniently don't mention further training required after basic like AIT.
Got to keep the con going while you help prepare further Ukraine cannon fodder for Zippy and the deep state.
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Aussie troops have five weeks to turn ordinary Ukrainians into soldiers
Andrew Tillett
Political correspondent
Jan 18, 2023 – 5.20pm
Taxi drivers and hairdressers will be among the everyday citizens of Ukraine that Australian military trainers will help transform into soldiers to defend their country against Vladimir Putin’s invading forces.
Seventy troops who will join a multinational training mission in Britain were farewelled from Darwin’s Robertson Barracks on Wednesday. It is Australia’s latest contribution of military assistance to Ukraine’s war against Russia.
The Australians will put Ukrainians through an accelerated five-week boot camp, compared to the 12 weeks the Australian army has for its new recruits.
The course will cover handling weapons, living in austere environments, battlefield tactics, combat first aid and working in small teams. The Australians will not enter Ukraine,
“Someone goes from being a taxi driver to being in the frontline in weeks,” Chief of Army Simon Stuart told The Australian Financial Review.
“It’s a very compressed time frame, they’re working long hours but they are very focused.
While Russia is conscripting men and press-ganging prisoners into war zones, Ukraine has seen thousands of volunteers take up arms to defend their country.
Lieutenant General Stuart visited the United Kingdom last year where he saw the British-led training mission in person. Three of the Ukrainians he met had respectively been a taxi driver, hairdresser and pastry cook, with the age ranging from 18 to mid-50s.
“They come from off the street, they come from normal jobs, they have families,” he said.
“I walked away quite humble because of their courage and stoicism.”
While the Ukrainian soldiers will be prepared as well as they could be in the short time frame, General Stuart acknowledged there was only so much trainers could do given war’s violence.
“These people are in the fight in a number of weeks and a number of them will not return,” he said.
Overseas training missions have been a large focus for Australian forces over the past two decades, with thousands of Afghan and Iraqi soldiers trained in that time.
The personnel from Darwin’s 5th Battalion are a mix of non-commissioned officers and senior soldiers. They will take a company of Ukrainian soldiers through each five-week period.
“We will come back better soldiers,” General Stuart said.
Defence Minister Richard Marles indicated the Australia training mission, nicknamed Operation Kudu, was a year-long commitment and confirmed troops would be rotated in and out of the UK. The commitment would be reviewed as to whether it was extended past 2023.
Following fresh pleas from Ukraine for more weapons – including potentially deliveries of tanks – Mr Marles said the government continued to have an “ongoing dialogue” with Kyiv on further military assistance.
Australia has promised $475 million in weapons to date, including 90 Bushmaster troop carriers and 28 M-113 armoured personnel carriers, howitzer guns, ammunition and drones.
“We are doing all that we can and I think that’s very much understood,” Mr Marles said.
“I completely understand how the Ukrainian government would be seeking more from its partners around the world. It needs to stay in this fight and we need Ukraine to stay in the fight.”
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said the government needed to make faster decisions about providing military aid, as he revealed the Morrison government had considered sending tanks to Ukraine but ruled it out “simply because we didn’t have the capacity to do that”.
Got to keep the con going while you help prepare further Ukraine cannon fodder for Zippy and the deep state.
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Aussie troops have five weeks to turn ordinary Ukrainians into soldiers
Andrew Tillett
Political correspondent
Jan 18, 2023 – 5.20pm
Taxi drivers and hairdressers will be among the everyday citizens of Ukraine that Australian military trainers will help transform into soldiers to defend their country against Vladimir Putin’s invading forces.
Seventy troops who will join a multinational training mission in Britain were farewelled from Darwin’s Robertson Barracks on Wednesday. It is Australia’s latest contribution of military assistance to Ukraine’s war against Russia.
The Australians will put Ukrainians through an accelerated five-week boot camp, compared to the 12 weeks the Australian army has for its new recruits.
The course will cover handling weapons, living in austere environments, battlefield tactics, combat first aid and working in small teams. The Australians will not enter Ukraine,
“Someone goes from being a taxi driver to being in the frontline in weeks,” Chief of Army Simon Stuart told The Australian Financial Review.
“It’s a very compressed time frame, they’re working long hours but they are very focused.
While Russia is conscripting men and press-ganging prisoners into war zones, Ukraine has seen thousands of volunteers take up arms to defend their country.
Lieutenant General Stuart visited the United Kingdom last year where he saw the British-led training mission in person. Three of the Ukrainians he met had respectively been a taxi driver, hairdresser and pastry cook, with the age ranging from 18 to mid-50s.
“They come from off the street, they come from normal jobs, they have families,” he said.
“I walked away quite humble because of their courage and stoicism.”
While the Ukrainian soldiers will be prepared as well as they could be in the short time frame, General Stuart acknowledged there was only so much trainers could do given war’s violence.
“These people are in the fight in a number of weeks and a number of them will not return,” he said.
Overseas training missions have been a large focus for Australian forces over the past two decades, with thousands of Afghan and Iraqi soldiers trained in that time.
The personnel from Darwin’s 5th Battalion are a mix of non-commissioned officers and senior soldiers. They will take a company of Ukrainian soldiers through each five-week period.
“We will come back better soldiers,” General Stuart said.
Defence Minister Richard Marles indicated the Australia training mission, nicknamed Operation Kudu, was a year-long commitment and confirmed troops would be rotated in and out of the UK. The commitment would be reviewed as to whether it was extended past 2023.
Following fresh pleas from Ukraine for more weapons – including potentially deliveries of tanks – Mr Marles said the government continued to have an “ongoing dialogue” with Kyiv on further military assistance.
Australia has promised $475 million in weapons to date, including 90 Bushmaster troop carriers and 28 M-113 armoured personnel carriers, howitzer guns, ammunition and drones.
“We are doing all that we can and I think that’s very much understood,” Mr Marles said.
“I completely understand how the Ukrainian government would be seeking more from its partners around the world. It needs to stay in this fight and we need Ukraine to stay in the fight.”
Opposition Leader Peter Dutton said the government needed to make faster decisions about providing military aid, as he revealed the Morrison government had considered sending tanks to Ukraine but ruled it out “simply because we didn’t have the capacity to do that”.
wait-n-see
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Something some of us in this thread have been advising of since the start of the whole stupid mess last year.
Tristan
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naegling62
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I would suspect there will be an inordinate amount of UKR soliders with Southern accents fairly soon.
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Oh, boy.
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Russia Captures Kleshcheyevka, Bakhmut Cauldron Looms, Zaluzhny Warns Siversk, Biden Scholz Quarrel
Jan 19, 2023
Runtime - 1:04:23 (speed of 1.5 helps with listening
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Time Stamps
- Kleshcheyevska Capture 00:00
- Ivanovka fighting 04:15
- Bakhmut Cauldron (Boiler) looming 05:15
- Krasnia Gora 07:17
- Kupiansk counter attack 08:05
- Ukraine Vugledar offensive 08:44
- Donetsk PR pushing north 09:20
- Zaluzhny urges to withdraw Siwersk 10:50
- Putin St. Petersburg visit 14:00
- Effect of sanctions 2.5% 19:37
- Lawrow PC history lesson 21:00
- PM Mischutsin: Dead line for re-supply February 23:50
- Belarus manouvres 25:08
- Ukrainian IM + team die in Helicopter crash 26:04
- Davos madness 40:56
- Scholz-Biden controversy about Leopard-II 42:50
- German General A.D. Kujat interview opposed to Leo-II deliveries 46:40
- Davos fading into hooker fest 48:42
- Daily Telegraph interview about decline of Europe 50:02
- EU's fatal faulty judgement 58:15
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I agree - a direct US intervention (Armor, Troops, Air) would be a complex and massive support problems. But it would be - if done - effectively the last and best attempt to save Ukraine. But would it be enough? The US has not trained or equipped for this type of WW1/2 war. They expect 100% control of the air space. Russia would effectively have the same (or more troops) deployed, they have and are still building extensive fortification on their contact lines (expecting NATO?). And most importantly you would have RAW US troops facing Russians with up to a Year or more of actual local combat experience. If I had to bet - money would be on Russia -
I personally worked on plans back in 1970 on our reaction to a Soviet attack into Europe - fall back to the West - try to hold for 3 days or so while waiting for the approval for Tactical Nukes to be used. If we would have done it back then without question the US would use them in Ukraine especially if the US/NATO forces were facing defeat - naturally Russia (which has more tactical nukes than we do) would respond. Also note that the US just changed its nuke policy - we now claim authority to use nukes FIRST even in response to a NON nuke event. Effectively we do not need a reason!
AlfaMan
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And these are being installed in addition to the SAM emplacements already around the ring road? These missiles are effectively like the US Chapparal surface to air system. These missiles protect the S-300s and S400s already deployed.
Damage Control
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Pantsir systems being placed, one in a high-rise in central Moscow and one in the country's Ministry of Defence. View: https://twitter.com/WarInUkraineYet/status/1616103162041241600
WTSR
Veteran Member
You actually think Ukrainians are going to be operating all that Juicy New Hardware??
LightEcho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
LOL... I was part of the implementation of plans in 1980s. We had no chance to stall for 3 days against the Russian tanks and artillery.... except..... tactical nukes. We did not need any distant permission. That was already planned in if things went as fast as we expected. We had nukes in artillery and pre-chambers for blowing roadways to slow down the advance. We had DIP missions unless we were able to shoot and move fast enough.
Back then, counter-battery artillery was in its infantile stages. Computers were primitive. Manual calcs were hit or miss, but getting better. Now, forget it. Any fixed flight pattern can get the point of origin pinpointed in seconds. Add in real-time satellite vision, missiles, drones, smart artillery and soon robotics, and this is getting to be a hell terminator game.
Also back then, Russia did not have tactical nukes and they did not have a submarine force comparable to ours. Plus they did not have hypersonic missiles. Nor did they have a functional ally in China. Game is totally changed.
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
I want to know how many people does it take to operate, maintain all that equipment? The number.You actually think Ukrainians are going to be operating all that Juicy New Hardware??
All that Juicy New Hardware is not new, it be old s---t.
The Ukrainians already burned up 2 armies with their COIN tactics, and they haven't learned yet.
So what's the magic number, how many does it take?
inskanoot
Veteran Member
Are the Ukrainian Political Elite Starting to Eat Each Other? - A Son of the New American Revolution
You know that happy feeling when things are going your way? Everything is turning up roses? You got a nice buzz going? Well, if you feel that way then you...
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Are the Ukrainian Political Elite Starting to Eat Each Other?
18 January 2023 by Larry Johnson 115 Comments
You know that happy feeling when things are going your way? Everything is turning up roses? You got a nice buzz going? Well, if you feel that way then you certainly are not a member of Ukraine’s ruling elite. Some genuine chaos unfolding in Kiev in the wake of Russia’s victory in Soledar.
Let us commence with the news that someone (or a group of someones) assassinated Ukraine’s top three intelligence officials — the Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine Denis Monastyrsky, his first deputy Yevgeny Enin and the State Secretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Yuriy Lubkovich. Wait a minute (some will say) we do not know if this was a mechanical failure or pilot error. True, no final conclusions, yet. But an eyewitness interviewed by one of the Kiev media claimed:
If that witness is giving an accurate account then it is highly unlikely that the mid-air fireball was caused by pilot error or a mechanical malfunction. This sure sounds like a surface-to-air missile, like a U.S. supplied Stinger that popped up on the black market. Here is one of the rumors floating around Ukraine. It emerged shortly after the chopper crashed into a kindergarten courtesy of someone with the nom de plume, Hacker DPR Joker:that the helicopter with the leadership of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine on board was spinning and burning in the air before the collision.
Telegram
The key point for Hacker DPR Joker is that the head of Internal Affairs, Monastyrsky, was independent of the President, the military and the intelligence service (i.e., SBU). Because Monastyrsky is in charge of Ukraine’s national police, he and his subordinates were in a position to collect dirt on the illegal activities of Zelensky or the military and could use that as “leverage” (aka blackmail) to extract money or concessions.
That is at least one possibility that should be considered. What strikes me is that you had the equivalent of the FBI Director, the FBI Deputy Director and the Attorney General all on board the same aircraft. Why? What was their destination and why were all three on the same helo? Normal security procedures would keep the three men apart to avoid this very scenario. I cannot rule out the possibility that a Russian Spetznaz team carried out a hit. Regardless of who did it, this has created enormous turmoil within Zelensky’s government.
At a minimum, this is going to sharpen suspicions among the police, the military and the intelligence service. Warm, fuzzy feelings do not abound.
Preceding all of this was the forcible removal of Oleksii Arestovych, a former Ukrainian intelligence officer who, until this past weekend, was directing strategic communications for Zelensky. Mr. Arestovych made the mistake of telling the truth about a missile strike on an apartment building in Dnepropetrovsk. Accoridng to Arestovych, it is an errant Ukrainian missile. He said it was not Russian. Whoops!! That is verbotten. Not only was he fired (he reportedly tried to resign), but his name popped up today on the Ukrainian hit list reserved for enemies of Ukraine. That’s right. After a year of faithfully telling lies for Zelensky, he says something truthful and next thing you know he has a target for execution on his back.
Not a lot of good news in Ukraine other than the United States and Europe are promising to send more weapons to a beleaguered Ukrainian army. I actually think the Russians are more delighted by this than Ukraine. Reminds me of a scene from Game of Thrones when Tyrion Lannister thanks mutineers for an unexpected gift:
Doc1
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Doc1
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From the above post:
"Yes - Ukraine had around 2000 tanks at the start of the war - all Russian - not sure on the count but likely T-72's - ALL taken out by the initial Russian SMO when they only had only around 100k troops."
I don't know the numbers. Does anyone know how many Ukrainian tanks were taken out in tank on tank combat and how many were taken out by anti-tank weapons, mines, air power and other means?
I'd suspect that tank on tank casualties would be on the low side, but again, I don't know. Does anyone have the percentages?
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von Koehler
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If the pro-Russian posters here are correct (the vast majority here), then Europa as we have known it is finished. Russia will invade and conquer all before it. Europa will be transformed into rubble.
A new dark chapter of repression will begin, even worse then in the Soviet Union days.
What really concerns me is that Martin Armstrong predicts WWIII to start (2024?) in Ukraine and nukes will be used by Russia.
I try to stay current with his current public and private blogs. However, he doesn't always indicate what is his own personal opinion and that which is from Socrates. He is very pro-Russian in his opinions, and I do question some of his historical claims about Ukraine and Russia.
Putin is no friend of America. A wild card is that Putin MAY be suffering from a terminal disease.
A new dark chapter of repression will begin, even worse then in the Soviet Union days.
What really concerns me is that Martin Armstrong predicts WWIII to start (2024?) in Ukraine and nukes will be used by Russia.
I try to stay current with his current public and private blogs. However, he doesn't always indicate what is his own personal opinion and that which is from Socrates. He is very pro-Russian in his opinions, and I do question some of his historical claims about Ukraine and Russia.
Putin is no friend of America. A wild card is that Putin MAY be suffering from a terminal disease.
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Zoner
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Countrymouse
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How many times have the Russians said this since last February, now?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Does he say "when" he expects this to happen? Generally?
von Koehler
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A bit vague. He gives specific months as key times for a start of the war, but doesn't explicitly say when. He did give 2024 as the year.
Seems he doesn't expect Putin to last; and has warned that his replacement could will be a hard liner who would use nukes. He sees Putin as a moderate.
so that gives us a year, more or less.
interesting. so there will be a lot more buildup and rhetoric before.
Doc1
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I don't know that the Russians are interested in conquering all of Europe, but two countries that should be extremely worried are Poland and Lithuania.
Readers may recall that last year both countries collaborated - contrary to existing treaties - in denying Russia free access to their exurb state of Kaliningrad. Relations between Poland/Lithuania and Russia were never especially good in the best of times, but after the Kaliningrad episode, they sank to a new nadir.
There is much to consider, but If we do see open conflict which leads to WWIII - which I pray does not happen - and if there is anyone left standing in the aftermath, and if Russia is victorious, I would expect Russia at minimum to claim a territorial corridor direct to Kaliningrad. This would split the Baltic states into northern and southern areas and almost certainly cost Poland territory, as well.
Last year's Kaliningrad episode is forgotten by most of the world, but you can be sure that it hasn't been forgotten in the Kremlin.
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Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Hey, Oreally, different question for you, in your area did you have a air-raid alert within the last 2 hours?
I'm trying to check on the authenticity of this info, it was posted recently someplace else.
Thanks.
i think we did. up until last month, whenever there was an air raid, there was apparently a FM signal to the sirens that would activate my phone and then the sirens. but lately, my phone will get activated, but not always are there sirens. so yes, about 2 hours ago, phone switched on...but no sirens.
Cedar Lake
Connecticut Yankee
Thanks for the confirmation. I read that this is because of the training flights of the Russian Aerospace Forces from Belarusian airfields.
von Koehler
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Russian talking heads on state TV have repeatedly stated that the old boundaries of the Soviet Union should be reestablished.