ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread
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mzkitty
I give up.
We're getting this in the middle of the night. Imagine when people in the US wake up in the morning.
Europe's probably shaking already.
Chance
Veteran Member
Hi mzkitty...it's late (tired) and I had to rewrite my comment....see edited comment. Opps.We're getting this in the middle of the night. Imagine when people in the US wake up in the morning.
Europe's probably shaking already.
And the German leader said Putin will not win in Ukraine...how much is he willing to sacrifice?? How much are any of the West's leaders willing to sacrifice? Putin is standing firm.
This will not end well
My father died in July.
I told him I thought the Fourth Turning was probably a dud because no big war happened in 2021 - he insisted I was wrong about that right up to the last time we talked.
No one seems to be able to see the big Fourth Turning picture here - Russia will NEVER lose in this fight. They have the most nukes on the planet and a relatively small weak military which means it won't take much to put their back against the wall.
In Feb when all this started Russian state TV warned the GloboHomo West :
A world without the nation of Russia in it, does not need to exist.
That isn't hyperbole, its not a bluff - its a statement of pure intent.
If Russia loses - all of us DIE.
You can argue morals all u want - in the end its just an inarguable reality. And the Universe and God does not care one whit if u think it's wrong or not. Neither does Putin.
I mailed my son tonight - he's in Vegas - I told him if there was any small nuke strike in Europe its time for him to beat feet to our outpost. Because once the first nuke comes - inevitably the rest are coming too.
Just an FYI the Russian plan is a limited nuke strike on the West followed by an attempt to force the West to surrender
thru negotiations - just the exact same plan they attempted in Ukraine minus the nukes. We all would have been far better off if Putin truly was a monster and turned Zelensky and his cronies into ceramic figurines back in February instead of being 'humane'.
And - IF we had real men in positions of power who had at least been in a few schoolyard fights and understood the male hierarchy we might have a chance of a limited war.
But 4T wars are EXISTENTIAL - and the fat menopausal women and brain addled soyboys running Europe and America have no concept of how to accept defeat gracefully - they always double down.
So I don't hold up much hope this ends well.
I now realize my father beat feet in his own way.
I told him I thought the Fourth Turning was probably a dud because no big war happened in 2021 - he insisted I was wrong about that right up to the last time we talked.
No one seems to be able to see the big Fourth Turning picture here - Russia will NEVER lose in this fight. They have the most nukes on the planet and a relatively small weak military which means it won't take much to put their back against the wall.
In Feb when all this started Russian state TV warned the GloboHomo West :
A world without the nation of Russia in it, does not need to exist.
That isn't hyperbole, its not a bluff - its a statement of pure intent.
If Russia loses - all of us DIE.
You can argue morals all u want - in the end its just an inarguable reality. And the Universe and God does not care one whit if u think it's wrong or not. Neither does Putin.
I mailed my son tonight - he's in Vegas - I told him if there was any small nuke strike in Europe its time for him to beat feet to our outpost. Because once the first nuke comes - inevitably the rest are coming too.
Just an FYI the Russian plan is a limited nuke strike on the West followed by an attempt to force the West to surrender
thru negotiations - just the exact same plan they attempted in Ukraine minus the nukes. We all would have been far better off if Putin truly was a monster and turned Zelensky and his cronies into ceramic figurines back in February instead of being 'humane'.
And - IF we had real men in positions of power who had at least been in a few schoolyard fights and understood the male hierarchy we might have a chance of a limited war.
But 4T wars are EXISTENTIAL - and the fat menopausal women and brain addled soyboys running Europe and America have no concept of how to accept defeat gracefully - they always double down.
So I don't hold up much hope this ends well.
I now realize my father beat feet in his own way.
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Both sides saying the other will not win.
Both sides have nucs.
If Russia loses, it would end up being the end of Russia, and they know it. Soros and the deep state tear apart Russia enriching themselves while deepening their reach into Ukraine. They also become their own empire in power and wealth.
If the other side loses without it going nuclear, then Ukraine loses a lot of territory for good. But the major western powers don't lose any territory and don't lose major life.
Russia has far more to lose than the west, and they know it. Is the west willing to dare Putin to back up his threat?
The key question for everyone will be ....... are you, your family and your country willing to die for Ukraine?
Both sides have nucs.
If Russia loses, it would end up being the end of Russia, and they know it. Soros and the deep state tear apart Russia enriching themselves while deepening their reach into Ukraine. They also become their own empire in power and wealth.
If the other side loses without it going nuclear, then Ukraine loses a lot of territory for good. But the major western powers don't lose any territory and don't lose major life.
Russia has far more to lose than the west, and they know it. Is the west willing to dare Putin to back up his threat?
The key question for everyone will be ....... are you, your family and your country willing to die for Ukraine?
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KittyKatChic
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Boeing B-52H Stratofortress heading toward Ukraine/Russia.
Is this anything? Seems off to me. This is the nuclear command deck type isn't it or am I mistaken?
P.S. It's climbing hard and fast too.
Edit: seems to be angling now. Not sure where it is going.
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Another important question is whether or not those under Putin are going to be willing to pay that bill?..
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Doomer Doug
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I hate it when I am correct. It seems the September 24th date has more significance than I first thought. Yom Kippur is on October 4th also.
I would say a nuclear exchange is imminent.
I went to Safeway this afternoon. The sheeple were lined up on the self checkout lines 30 deep, and for several cycles too. And the crazies were absolutely bonkers. I saw a black guy start a fire under a park bench to cook
his lunch.
I said from Day one Putin would never lose. He won't. Nukes will come into play. Oreally, prepare for a nuke exchange. Heck, it is 0200 PST and we could have launches within hours if zippy goes for it.
The ukies will now be uterrly crushed. NATO will be engaged.
IT IS TEOTWA
WKI
I would say a nuclear exchange is imminent.
I went to Safeway this afternoon. The sheeple were lined up on the self checkout lines 30 deep, and for several cycles too. And the crazies were absolutely bonkers. I saw a black guy start a fire under a park bench to cook
his lunch.
I said from Day one Putin would never lose. He won't. Nukes will come into play. Oreally, prepare for a nuke exchange. Heck, it is 0200 PST and we could have launches within hours if zippy goes for it.
The ukies will now be uterrly crushed. NATO will be engaged.
IT IS TEOTWA
WKI
Melodi
Disaster Cat
As I said on the other thread, Europe/Ireland/UK we all woke up to this either just before or just after and I think people are still digesting it. Ireland is kind of on the edge of things, but even on our local news, this was the big headliner for the morning along with speculation about NATO and the potential use of nukes.
Russia/Vlad just basically said that even if the West doesn't recognize it, when (and it probably is a when not an if) the Eastern "Republics" of Ukraine (who are largely Russian speaking) vote to join the Russian Federation on Friday that Putin will use all means required to defend them.
That includes nukes, he basically stated that and said "I am not bluffing." Sadly, much of the time the West thinks Vlad is bluffing and like any good general or politician sometimes he does, but I dont' think he is this time.
What no one knows is does he mean by that using tactical battlefield nukes, which would still be a game changer but except for the radiation are basically another way to make a big "boom" inside of the lines of enemy troops; or is he thinking in larger terms like serious city/military base killing time like either Keiv or say Brussels?
The estimates of how many people he is really calling up are all over the map from a few thousand reservists to some outlets pointing out that practically every university graduate (male) and many females are technically reserved military. So far there haven't been any reports of men not being allowed to leave Russia or some of the other speculations before the speech, but then most of the reports just report the same news over and over again.
I think the time period of now though next Monday could get really "interesting," very quickly.
Russia/Vlad just basically said that even if the West doesn't recognize it, when (and it probably is a when not an if) the Eastern "Republics" of Ukraine (who are largely Russian speaking) vote to join the Russian Federation on Friday that Putin will use all means required to defend them.
That includes nukes, he basically stated that and said "I am not bluffing." Sadly, much of the time the West thinks Vlad is bluffing and like any good general or politician sometimes he does, but I dont' think he is this time.
What no one knows is does he mean by that using tactical battlefield nukes, which would still be a game changer but except for the radiation are basically another way to make a big "boom" inside of the lines of enemy troops; or is he thinking in larger terms like serious city/military base killing time like either Keiv or say Brussels?
The estimates of how many people he is really calling up are all over the map from a few thousand reservists to some outlets pointing out that practically every university graduate (male) and many females are technically reserved military. So far there haven't been any reports of men not being allowed to leave Russia or some of the other speculations before the speech, but then most of the reports just report the same news over and over again.
I think the time period of now though next Monday could get really "interesting," very quickly.
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Russia is using a legalistic argument.
If a region wants to break away, and has an "election" to voluntarily join Russia, then the rest of the world must accept this result.
Once unified with Russia, any attack is now an attack on Mother Russia.
Any means of defense, including nuclear weapons, is now justified.
You are correct, Ma’am. Faux Snooze just said on F&F 1st, that Russia has called for a massive call-up of troops, as well as further warning of potential for nuclear war. This was only 15 minutes ago (0440, CDT). Hopefully, his own people will “off” him, before he can do anything egregiously, terminally, stupid. However, I don’t think he’s stupid- just insane…
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von Koehler
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If Putin truly believes this, then war is inevitable.
He didn't even hint at any possible paths to a compermise.
von Koehler
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Armstrong says that Putin is the moderate; all the possible successors are even more hardline.
Putin has paranoid fantasies about neo-Nazi's wanting to overrun Mother Russia.
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A gradual call up of 300000 reserves. No extra conscription. The continued threat of nukes and recycling the same anti NATO talking points. And this time he really isnt bluffing.
Nothing earth shattering there.
Biggest take away is the reserve call up. Those reserves will eventually overwhelm the Ukrainians unless they still have a fair bit of manpower reserves left. Can Russia effectively arm and provide the logistics for them? Can the West do the same for Ukraine? A true war of attrition. It will take at least a month for those reserves to start arriving in mass on the battlefield.
The occupied territory joining Russia is a guarantee. The whole reason Putin is now giving for the war is to liberate the Donbass. Imagine the consequences if they said no. He isnt going to give them the option to say no.
Who is he going to nuke? Ukrainian troops on the front? Kiev, Odessa, Lviv? I dont see nukes being used unless NATO mobilizes and they go after Russia proper.
Nothing earth shattering there.
Biggest take away is the reserve call up. Those reserves will eventually overwhelm the Ukrainians unless they still have a fair bit of manpower reserves left. Can Russia effectively arm and provide the logistics for them? Can the West do the same for Ukraine? A true war of attrition. It will take at least a month for those reserves to start arriving in mass on the battlefield.
The occupied territory joining Russia is a guarantee. The whole reason Putin is now giving for the war is to liberate the Donbass. Imagine the consequences if they said no. He isnt going to give them the option to say no.
Who is he going to nuke? Ukrainian troops on the front? Kiev, Odessa, Lviv? I dont see nukes being used unless NATO mobilizes and they go after Russia proper.
northern watch
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somewherepress
Has No Life - Lives on TB
That will help ease tensions....s/o
And on an unrelated note, US and Europe believe a man can become a woman which reinforces their ability to evaluate reality.
(In case you were wondering which side is more insane)
northern watch
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Doomer,
From KittyKatChic post #34450
Boeing B-52H Stratofortress heading toward Ukraine/Russia.
My first reaction, God Damn you Biden!
When these planes show up on Russian Radar, the Russian military will wonder, is this a preemptive strike from NATO / US?
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desert_fox
Threadkiller
Just last week Putin met with Xi and now this. I am wondering what China’s role is in this.
northern watch
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Putin Announces Partial Mobilization In Ukraine War Escalation, Says West Wants To "Destroy Russia"
BY TYLER DURDENZERO HEDGE
WEDNESDAY, SEP 21, 2022 - 03:01 AM
In a nationwide address that was delayed from its prime-time Tuesday delivery and ahead of votes in four Ukraine regions to join Russia, on Wednesday morning Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a partial military mobilization, while vowing to use all means necessary to defend Russia and pledged to annex the territories already occupied by Russia, raising the stakes in the seven-month-old conflict.
Calling the moves “urgent, necessary steps to defend the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia,” Putin said that Russia is fighting the full might of NATO. The US and its allies, he said, are seeking to “destroy” Russia.
The partial mobilization means that reservists will be drafted into military service, Putin said, starting immediately. The Armed Forces will draw on military reservists only, and those who have completed national service, the president said promising that they will be provided with additional training along with all the benefits due to people involved in active duty.
The measure is "sensible and necessary" under the circumstances, Putin stated, adding that he has already signed an order for the call-up to start immediately.
In his speech, Putin accused Kiev of backing away from peace talks, acting on direct orders from its Western allies. Instead of negotiating, the Ukrainian government has beefed up its military with NATO-trained troops, many of whom are neo-Nazi extremists, he said.
Putin also accused the west of using "nuclear blackmail" against Russia noting that "if its territorial integrity is threatened Russia will definitely use all the means at its disposal." to defend Russian territory. "This is not a bluff."
Russian forces sent to Ukraine in February have secured a large portion of territory claimed by the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics as well as parts of Ukraine, and the resulting frontline stretches over 1,000km, according to the Russian president.
Putin also commented on the upcoming referendums in the two Donbass republics and two regions of Ukraine currently controlled to a large extent by Russian troops. The territories which include Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia provinces, have announced plebiscites on whether become part of Russia, with the ballots scheduled to start on Friday. Putin said his government will respect the outcome of the four referendums, and provide security for the voting process.
Some other notable highlights from Putin's address:
- the contracts for reserves last "until the end of the partial mobilization period" i.e. indefinitely
- governors of Russian regions decide who and how many people get sent to the front
Following Putin's address, Russia's minister of defense Sergei Shoigu also delivered a nationwide TV address, in which he said that the battlefield conditions in Ukraine as "difficult."
"We are not fighting with Ukraine, but with the collective west " he said, noting mobilization will be gradual, not one-time. He also added more nuclear threats: "All types of arms, including the nuclear triad, are fulfilling their tasks."
Some more highlights from Shoigu's address:
- Calling up the reserves adds about 300,000 men to Russia's forces
- "These are not people who've never seen or heard anything about the army."
- Students are exempt and "only 1% of mobilization potential" will be used
... futures tumbled...
...the Bloomberg dollar index soared to a new record high...
...yields dropped...
... and the EUR tumbled even further below parity.
And now we await the Fed.
Putin Announces Partial Mobilization In Ukraine War Escalation, Says West Wants To "Destroy Russia" | ZeroHedge
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northern watch
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This is definitely a war move
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Is it time to panic yet, headlines like this tend to make you wonder, anytime they call for "calm"
News | Latest Breaking News Stories & Headlines | RTÉ ...
Leaders in Europe after called from calm after Vladimir Putin this morning ordered Russia's first military "mobilisation" since World War II.
News | Latest Breaking News Stories & Headlines | RTÉ ...
Leaders call for calm after Putin orders 'mobilisation'
UkraineLeaders in Europe after called from calm after Vladimir Putin this morning ordered Russia's first military "mobilisation" since World War II.
Putin has mentally prepared his country for the possibility of a nuclear war that will effectively wipe Russia off the map.
The West is still quibbling about it. Even most of this forum does not actually believe it will come to that.
One might consider that the US is providing most of the support for the Ukraine . . . so yea, most of the damage will be restricted to Europe; the US will avoid any nasty unpleasantries.
The West is still quibbling about it. Even most of this forum does not actually believe it will come to that.
One might consider that the US is providing most of the support for the Ukraine . . . so yea, most of the damage will be restricted to Europe; the US will avoid any nasty unpleasantries.
Russia thinks we are stupid as they are.
yesterday discussion with a friend who is 'connected'...
the consensus is that he will take out all the power plants and the bridges over the Dnipro. soon.
he says people are getting prepared and it won't matter one bit.
me, building a 'rocket stove' from a cache of bricks i found in the basement.
I can’t help it; but this reminds of the German soldier who had to relieve another German unit fighting in the Tractor works in Stalingrad for the day. At the end of the days fighting he walked out, after being relieved by another German unit. Every other member of his unit was killed in the days fighting; but he was very satisfied. He ruminated happily over the fact that his unit had taken the room and they had killed everyone of the Russian son-of-a bitches.
The Russkies don’ give up easily.
The Russkies don’ give up easily.
wait-n-see
Veteran Member
Those under Putin have little choice in the matter being under an communist dictatorship. They are along for the ride with what their leadership demands, less than the Chinese and even more less than the North Koreans.
Those of us in the west at least have some, even if slight, ability in swaying our leadership. even if our elections have become a joke, the elite still have to placate their minions.
batterbiscuts
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A piece of John titors prophecy is about to be fulfilled. This was the part about a european army marching east.
Did you bother to confirm that at all?
NOW - These are all NATO planes with commercial traffic filtered out.
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wait-n-see
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My WAG.
Russia would never nuc anything in the Ukraine. No need too as they can destroy all of the power Ukraine needs without using them.
They will go tactical outside of the Europe with small ones aimed at either Naval ships or small military installations. The west has plenty of small installations all over the planet that can be used if needed.
Then an escalation of targets eventually going to western cities would occur if no one is willing to back done. Then Armageddon.
Russia does not even have to go nuc to prove a point as they could take out one of our Carriers using a hyper-sonic missile. No need to take out the Carrier battle group, just the Carrier is enough.
No need to even sink it as damage alone could easily prevent if from doing any fight operations.
A comforting scenario!