ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Matt

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Had a Air Force friend tell me a long time ago that they couldn’t hit us. We apparently have super good space based weapons. I personally don’t want it tested…..
That's where the container missile systems come in! Quantity has a quality all of its own. And judging by the metric tons of drugs smuggled past our borders in every corner of our land, we are screwed.
 

OldAndCrazy

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Obviously Vlad and SloJoey aren't going to kick this off. So then, why all the bluster and troop build up? Only one reason I can think of; money. Wonder who's making how much off this charade.
 

northern watch

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Ukrainian military long on morale but short on weaponry
When Russia annexed Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula and threw its support behind separatists in the country’s east more than seven years ago, Kyiv’s underfunded and disorganized armed forces struggled to mount a credible response
By YURAS KARMANAU Associated Press
9 December 2021, 23:52

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ABC’s Ian Pannell is on the frontline in eastern Ukraine, where Ukrainian troops are pitched against Russian-backed separatist forces amid fears Russia is planning a major new invasion.
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KYIV, Ukraine -- When Russia annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula and threw its support behind separatists in the country's east more than seven years ago, Kyiv's underfunded and disorganized armed forces struggled to mount a credible response.

Now, amid fears that a Russian troop buildup near Ukraine's border could signal a possible attack, military experts say Moscow would face stronger resistance this time. But they emphasize that Ukraine would be well short of what it needs to counter Russia's overwhelming land, sea and air superiority.

Still, years of fighting the separatists have given Ukrainian veterans like Col. Viacheslav Vlasenko the battlefield experience for such a fight.

“In case of Russian aggression. I will have no choice — every Ukrainian is ready to die with arms in hands,” said the highly decorated 53-year-old Vlasenko. “Ukraine will never become a part of Russia. If we have to prove it to the Kremlin that Ukraine has the right for freedom and independence, we are ready for it.”

While Western military assistance has remained limited, Ukraine still received state-of-the-art foreign weaponry, including sophisticated U.S. anti-tank missiles and Turkish drones to provide a heavier punch than they had in years past.

Vlasenko, who spent 4 1/2 years battling the rebels in the east in a conflict that has killed more than 14,000 people, said the country now has thousands of highly motivated and battle-hardened troops.

“We Ukrainians are defending our land, and there is no place for us to retreat,” said Vlasenko, adding that he takes his 13-year-old son to target practice so that he knows “who our enemy is and learns to defend himself and fight back.”

Earlier this week, President Volodymyr Zelenskyy praised Ukraine’s soldiers on a visit to an area near the conflict zone to mark a military holiday.

“Ukrainian servicemen are continuing to perform their most important mission — to protect the freedom and sovereignty of the state from the Russian aggressor,” Zelenskyy said.

U.S. intelligence officials have determined that Russia has moved 70,000 troops near Ukraine's border and has made preparations for a possible invasion early next year. Moscow has denied any plans to attack Ukraine, rejecting Western concerns as part of a smear campaign.

On Tuesday, U.S. President Joe Biden warned Russian President Vladimir Putin in a video conference that Moscow would face “economic consequences like you’ve never seen” if it invades Ukraine, although he noted that Washington would not deploy its military forces there.

Putin reaffirmed his denial of planning to attack Ukraine but emphasized that NATO’s possible expansion to Ukraine was a “red line” for Moscow.

If Russia attacks its neighbor, the 1 million-member Russian military would inevitably overwhelm Ukraine's armed forces, which number about 255,000. But in addition to a promised heavy economic blow from Western sanctions, Russia would also stand to suffer significant military losses that would dent Putin's image at home.

Ukrainian veterans and military analysts say the country won't surrender territory without a fight this time, unlike in 2014 in Crimea, where Russian troops in unmarked uniforms faced virtually no resistance in overtaking the Black Sea peninsula.

“Ukraine will not become easy prey for the Russians. There will be a bloodbath,” Vlasenko said. “Putin will get hundreds and thousands of coffins floating from Ukraine to Russia.”

Weeks after annexing Crimea, Russia began supporting the separatist uprising in Ukraine's eastern industrial heartland, known as the Donbas. Ukraine and the West have accused Russia of supplying the rebels with troops and weapons — accusations that Moscow has denied, saying that any Russians fighting there were volunteers.

A series of bruising military defeats forced Ukraine to sign a 2015 peace agreement brokered by France and Germany that envisaged broad autonomy for the separatist regions and a sweeping amnesty for the rebels. The deal that was seen by many in Ukraine as a betrayal of its national interests. While it has helped end large-scale fighting, frequent skirmishes have continued amid a political deadlock as Ukraine and Russia have traded accusations.

Mykola Sunhurovskyi, a top military analyst for the Kyiv-based Razumkov Center independent think-tank, said the Ukrainian military has made much progress in recent years, thanks to Western-equipment and training.

“The army today is much stronger than it was in early 2014, and Russia will face serious resistance,” he said.

The Western aid included Javelin anti-tank missiles and patrol boats supplied by the United States. The U.S. and other NATO forces have conducted joint drills with the Ukrainian military in exercises that have vexed Russia. Last month, Ukraine signed an agreement with the U.K. for building naval bases on the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov.

Still, Sunhurovskyi argued that the Western assistance is not enough.

“The military aid given by the West is far from what Ukraine needs,” Sunhurovskyi said, adding that its slow pace was also a key problem. “The assistance is needed within two months, not two or three years. There are huge gaps in the Ukrainian military potential that need to be taken care of."

He pointed in particular to Ukraine's air defenses.

“The air defense system isn't ready for repelling massive airstrikes by Russia,” Sunhurovskyi said, adding that Ukraine also lacks advanced electronic warfare systems and has a shortage of artillery and missiles.


Morale is not a problem, he said.

“From the point of view of combat spirit, Ukraine is ready for war, but there are issues with the technological level of the Ukrainian military, which is below what is needed to deter Russia from launching an attack,” he said.

Zelenskyy said Ukraine's military "has come a difficult way to the creation of a highly capable and highly organized combat structure that is confident of its potential and capable of derailing any aggressive plans by the enemy.” On Thursday, he spoke with Biden, who briefed him on the discussion with Putin.

The analysts also said Russia would have to be prepared for a nationwide resistance campaign from Ukrainian veterans after any invasion.

“If it launches an aggression, Russia will face a large-scale guerrilla war in Ukraine, and the infrastructure for it has already been set,” said Volodymyr Fesenko, head of the Kyiv-based Penta think tank. "Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers served in the east, and there is a local hero in every courtyard who fought the separatists and the Russians.”

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Vladimir Isachenkov in Moscow contributed.

Ukrainian military long on morale but short on weaponry - ABC News
 

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Russian MFA has published a list of demands the West must meet in order to defuse tensions with Russia. Among others, it wants NATO to formally withdraw the 2008 Bucharest Summit decision that "Ukraine and Georgia will become members of NATO"
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meanwhile in Bosnia-Herzegovina

Serbs to vote on weakening Bosnia, step up secession drive
The Bosnian Serb parliament is convening to vote on a series of steps that would weaken the war-ravaged Balkan country’s central institutions
By The Associated Press
10 December 2021, 06:19

Bosnian Serb's lawmakers take part in the parliament session in Banja Luka, Bosnia, Friday, Dec. 10, 2021. The Bosnian Serb parliament convened on Friday to vote on a set of steps that would weaken the war-ravaged Balkan country's central authority a

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Bosnian Serb's lawmakers take part in the parliament session in Banja Luka, Bosnia, Friday, Dec. 10, 2021. The Bosnian Serb parliament convened on Friday to vote on a set of steps that would weaken the war-ravaged Balkan country's central authority as their leader steps up his secession campaign despite a threat of new U.S. and other sanctions. (AP Photo/Radivoje Pavicic)

BANJA LUKA, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- The Bosnian Serb parliament convened on Friday to vote on steps that would weaken the war-ravaged Balkan country’s central authority. The session came as the Bosnian Serb leader is stepping up his secession campaign despite a threat of new U.S. and other sanctions.

Lawmakers are expected to vote on starting a procedure for Bosnian Serbs to withdraw from the Bosnian army, security services, tax system and judiciary. That would be another substantial move following repeated threats by Bosnian Serb leader Milorad Dodik to secede, which could lead to about half of Bosnia being incorporated with neighboring Serbia.


Dodik, the Bosnian Serb member of the tripartite Bosnian presidency, said Friday’s was a historic parliament session that would strengthen the Bosnian Serb mini state — formed as part of a U.S.-sponsored peace agreement that ended the Bosnian war in 1995.

Dodik called Bosnia a “paper state” and told parliament that a referendum should be held in the Serb entity in Bosnia on the formation of its own army, security service, high judiciary and tax authority and that a new state constitution should be drafted.

Opposition leaders in the parliament criticized Dodik’s policies, saying they are hasty, bring back uncertainty and even possible clashes to the still-volatile Balkan region.

Dodik has for years been advocating the separation of the Bosnian Serb semi-autonomous mini-state from Bosnia and having it become part of neighboring Serbia.

With tacit support from Russia and Serbia, Dodik recently intensified his campaign.

Bosniak officials have warned that Dodik's policies could lead to clashes, and called on the U.S. and the EU to crack down against him and his associates.

The United States has already imposed a travel ban and assets freeze on Dodik and both American and German officials have recently threatened more sanctions in case Bosnian Serbs further weaken Bosnia’s central institutions.

Dodik has repeatedly said he doesn’t care about new sanctions, adding that this would bring Serbs even closer to their “true friends” — Russia and China. He has also denied that withdrawal from the central institutions would lead to a quick secession or a new war.

There is likely to be a six-month delay before the assembly’s decisions take effect while Dodik tries to renegotiate Bosnia’s fragile makeup with the country’s Bosniaks and Croats from a stronger position.

The Bosnian War started in 1992 when Bosnian Serbs, with the help of the Serb-led Yugoslav army, tried to create ethnically pure territories with an aim of joining Serbia. More than 100,000 people were killed and millions were left homeless during the worst bloodshed in Europe since World War II.

The war pitted Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats against each other and ended with the U.S.-sponsored peace agreement that created two regions, the Republika Srpska and the Bosniak-Croat Federation.

The two regions were given wide autonomy, but kept some joint institutions, including the army, the top judiciary and tax administration. Bosnia's three-member rotating presidency is made up of Bosniak, Serb and Croat members.

In a sign seen in Bosnia as support for Bosnia’s joint armed forces, the U.S. on Friday delivered four new Bell Huey 2 multi-role helicopters to its air force.

Serbs to vote on weakening Bosnia, step up secession drive - ABC News (go.com)
 

Mark D

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“If it launches an aggression, Russia will face a large-scale guerrilla war in Ukraine, and the infrastructure for it has already been set,”
1) This is planning for defeat. NOT a good sign.
2) I have seen what those would-be guerrillas have for training: they're gonna get creamed. It will only take a few competent Russian drone operators, and a couple of artillery units, to turn the Uke's insurgency into YouTube clips about what not to do.
 

northern watch

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1) This is planning for defeat. NOT a good sign.
2) I have seen what those would-be guerrillas have for training: they're gonna get creamed. It will only take a few competent Russian drone operators, and a couple of artillery units, to turn the Uke's insurgency into YouTube clips about what not to do.
Yes, with drones and satellites , counter insurgency warfare will be a lot different then insurgency warfare in the 1940's, 1950's and 1960's.

With droves, the US would have won in Vietnam
 

CaryC

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ZH (woke) reporting NATO told da Ukes no membership for at least a decade. Looks like they're on their own.

A present for Vlad.
US Officials Tell Ukraine No NATO Membership For At Least A Decade
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Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,

An unnamed source told The Associated Press that senior US State Department officials told Ukraine that a NATO membership is unlikely to be approved within the next decade, a sign the US is not willing to further escalate tensions with Russia over Ukraine.

Biden administration officials also told AP that the US might pressure Ukraine to give autonomy to separatists in its eastern Donbas region, something Kyiv agreed to do under the Minsk Protocol, which was signed in 2014. Such a move could significantly de-escalate tensions in the region.


Via The Atlantic Council

After the US orchestrated a coup in Kyiv in 2014, separatists in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts rejected the new government and declared their independence. Kyiv rejected the oblasts’ bid for independence, and a war was started, which has killed over 10,000 people.

Since a ceasefire was reached in 2015, there have been occasional major flare-ups, but the war has essentially been at a stalemate. The AP report said the US could push Ukraine to give the region more authority on local issues.
President Biden spoke with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky by Phone on Thursday and vowed support for Ukraine’s sovereignty and repeated warnings that if Russia invades, the US would implement new sanctions against Moscow.

The AP report detailed the following:
Biden also will have to finesse Ukraine’s desire to join NATO. The U.S. and NATO reject Putin’s demands that they guarantee Ukraine won’t be admitted to the Western military alliance.
But senior State Department officials have told Ukraine that NATO membership is unlikely to be approved in the next decade, according to a person familiar with those private talks who spoke on condition of anonymity.
In a readout of the call, the White House made no mention of NATO or the push for giving Donbas some autonomy. Biden spoke with Russian President Vladimir Putin about the Ukraine situation on Tuesday. No breakthroughs were made, but the two leaders agreed to continue a dialogue on the issue.
According to @AP, #Biden is pressuring #Ukraine to cede autonomy to eastern regions controlled by pro-#Moscow forces *and* hold-off #Ukraine #NATO membership process until 2030.

Meanwhile, #Putin just said a "genocide" is underway in eastern #Ukraine (i.e. a need to intervene). pic.twitter.com/1oXDeY2FMo
— Charles Lister (@Charles_Lister) December 9, 2021
Putin denies that he is planning an invasion but wants guarantees that NATO will not continue to expand further eastward or put missiles in Ukraine that could target Russia.

US Officials Tell Ukraine No NATO Membership For At Least A Decade | ZeroHedge
 

CaryC

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As NATO Offers Russia A Meeting, East European Allies Infuriated At Biden Overtures
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Earlier in the week soon after the Biden-Putin virtual summit which focused on renewed and soaring Ukraine tensions, the US president indicated that he hoped to announce a meeting between Russia and NATO leaders by Friday, which will include "at least four of our major NATO allies."

As Bloomberg reported, the offer of a meeting infuriated a number of eastern European and Baltic countries seen as most vulnerable in the face of an "aggressive" Russia. Additionally, officials chafed at the likelihood that their small countries would not invited to the table, in favor of more powerful West European NATO countries who are more closely allied to the US.

"Russia should under no circumstances be given a say in who may or may not be a member of NATO," Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas told reporters on Thursday. She said that Moscow’s "most worrying wish is to divide Europe into spheres of influence. We remember these kinds of moments from our own history and we are in no way naive on this issue."

And chair of the Estonian parliament’s Foreign Affairs Committee, Marko Mihkelson, called the overture "a disappointing surprise" and urged a diplomatic push to block the meeting should it not include members of NATO's eastern flank, according to Bloomberg.

Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki seemed to liken it to giving into Russia's taking advantage and using the Afghan pullout chaos as geopolitical blackmail: "I believe that after the pullout from Afghanistan, the situation in NATO is tense, it’s difficult and also, unfortunately, our adversaries, foes and Russia is one of them are taking advantage of the situation," he said.

Meanwhile, noting that the NATO-Russia Council has not been held for 18 months, which was supposed to be the main avenue for dialogue, Russian media reports indicate that NATO is still offering the Kremlin a meeting:
Speaking on Wednesday as part of a discussion on 'Peace policy in our time,' NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that the organization champions "what we call the dual track approach to Russia; deterrence, defense but also dialogue."
"There’s no contradiction… between being firm in our strategy to our neighbor in the East, at the same time engaging in" communication, he added.
Biden in a Thursday phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed, however, that he wouldn't negotiate "over the heads" of eastern flank countries, The Wall Street Journal noted in its latest reporting.
As for Putin, he's seeking legal assurances and "long-term guarantees" that NATO will not push further east either in terms of new membership or expansion of its military infrastructure.

But the feeling in Ukraine is that anytime Putin wants to gain "guarantees" from Washington and NATO, all he has to do is order extra forces to muster in Crimea and near Donbass, sparking a crisis which leads to the West giving more and more concessions to avoid a looming conflict. If this is indeed the case, it should be remembered that US mainstream media has played a huge role in hyping the Russian troop build-up and supposed "invasion" of Ukraine plans, dialing up the fear and geopolitical drama, and thus giving Putin significant leverage in dealing both with the White House and Brussels.

As NATO Offers Russia A Meeting, East European Allies Infuriated At Biden Overtures | ZeroHedge
 

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REPORT: Biden Admin Plans On Advising Ukraine To Hand Over Territory To Russia
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President Joe Biden’s administration reportedly plans to push the Ukrainian government to appease Russian President Vladimir Putin by ceding territory, The Associated Press reported Thursday.

Biden held a virtual meeting Tuesday with Putin, during which Biden threatened an “economic” response should Russia invade Ukraine. Russian troops have been amassing on Ukraine’s border for weeks, a nation that has long sought to join NATO but is unlikely to gain membership within the next decade, officials told AP.

(RELATED: EXCLUSIVE: ‘Speak Loudly And Carry A Small Stick’: Republicans Blast Biden’s Response To Putin’s Escalation In Ukraine)

U.S. officials reportedly plan to urge Ukraine to grant autonomy to eastern regions that are still controlled by separatists who participated in the 2014 Russia-backed revolt against the Ukrainian government. The eastern Donbas region has held a vague “special status” since the 2014 uprising, a status Ukrainian parliament voted to extend for another year on Dec. 3.
President Joe Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin meet during a summit on June 16 in Geneva, Switzerland. (Peter Klaunzer/Pool/Keystone via Getty Images)

President Joe Biden and Russian President Vladimir Putin meet during a summit on June 16 in Geneva, Switzerland. (Peter Klaunzer/Pool/Keystone via Getty Images)

Biden has previously confirmed that deploying U.S. troops to help Ukraine fend off an invasion is not on the table, focusing instead on economic sanctions.

“We have a moral obligation and a legal obligation to our NATO allies if they were to attack under Article 5, it’s a sacred obligation,” Biden said. “That obligation does not extend to NATO – I mean to Ukraine. But it would depend upon what rest of the NATO countries were willing to do as well. But the idea that the United States is going to unilaterally use force to confront Russia invading Ukraine is not on, in the cards right now. What will happen is there will be severe consequences.”
The president’s critics have argued his stance on Ukraine is projecting a message of weakness to the world, and particularly to China. Reporters also pressed the White House on the message Biden’s Ukraine response may send to China at Tuesday’s press briefing. China has long mirrored Russia’s aggression toward Ukraine with its own threats to retake Taiwan by force.

“Some observers have described a nightmare scenario where President Putin invades Ukraine and also simultaneously President Xi uses force to reunify Taiwan with China. Is the U.S. prepared to deal with such a scenario?” a reporter asked national security adviser Jake Sullivan.

“The United States is going to take every action that we can take, from the point of view of both deterrence and diplomacy, to make sure that the Taiwan scenario you just described never happens, and to try to avert the invasion into Ukraine,” Sullivan said. “That is the object of our policy right now. Those are the steps we’re taking.”

Russian troops continue to amass along the Ukrainian border, and U.S. intelligence officials believe that Moscow is prepping for a full-scale offensive against Ukraine as early as the next few weeks, according to The Washington Post.

REPORT: Biden Admin Plans On Advising Ukraine To Hand Over Territory To Russia | The Daily Caller
 

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What Russia might do in Ukraine: 5 scenarios
While it is impossible to predict what Russian President Vladimir Putin has planned, any decision may not be as black-and-white as “to invade or not to invade.”
By LUKE COFFEY
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on December 09, 2021 at 9:22 AM

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Ukrainian sea border security soldiers man a checkpoint at the Mariupol Port as Ukraine’s navy mobilises on the Azov Sea on November 28, 2018 in Mariupol, Ukraine. (Photo by Martyn Aim/Getty Images)

With Russian troops amassed on Ukraine’s eastern border, US and NATO officials are watching nervously what Russian President Vladimir Putin might do next. Will he heed US warnings not to further invade the former Soviet state? Or is a new, widespread bloody offensive for territory looming? In this op-ed, the Heritage Foundation’s Luke Coffey argues that question is an oversimplification, and Putin has many more options on the table.

Ukraine is at a tipping point, and its ongoing national struggle will determine whether its future geopolitical orientation tilts toward the West or Moscow. The outcome will have long-term implications for the transatlantic community and the notion of national sovereignty.

Since 2014, Russia has illegally occupied almost 5% of Ukraine’s landmass and more than half of its coastline. In eastern Ukraine, Russia and Russian-backed separatists continue to propagate a war that has resulted in more than 13,000 lives lost and 30,000 wounded, heavily damaging the Ukrainian economy and slowing Ukraine’s progress toward deepening ties with the West.

Now, Russia is raising tensions again. For the second time in a year, Russia has conducted a large-scale military mobilization along Ukraine’s borders. As many as 175,000 Russian troops are poised to attack at a moment’s notice.

While it is impossible to predict what Russian President Vladimir Putin has planned — and US officials say they don’t know what he’s thinking — any decision may not be as black-and-white as “to invade or not to invade.” The US must be prepared to respond not just to an actual mass offensive as most feared, but a range of scenarios in which the Russians exert pressure in other ways. Some possibilities include:

The non-kinetic scenario: Russia uses the military buildup to try to extract concessions from the West on NATO enlargement. Russia’s strategic goal here is to keep Ukraine distanced from organizations like NATO and the European Union. Russia would also benefit from the long-term integration of Ukraine into Moscow-backed groups like the Collective Security Treaty Organization or the Eurasian Economic Union.

The most effective way for Russia to achieve this goal is by keeping the conflict in eastern Ukraine “frozen”—meaning that the major fighting stops, but localized fighting remains without a conclusive end to the conflict. That means using the troops on the border as political leverage, not as actual invaders.

A limited offensive, to entrench -Russian-backed separatists: A plausible scenario, assuming a lack of US and European resolve, is that Moscow helps the separatists consolidate gains in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions to create a political entity that functions more like a viable state. This would involve the capture of major communication and transit nodes (such as the city and port of Mariupol) and the Luhansk power plant, all of which are under Ukrainian government control. While this could be done in a piecemeal manner, such a move would also require the complete abandonment of any notion of a cease-fire.

More aggressive push for a land bridge to Crimea: Currently, the Russian Federation is connected to Crimea only by a newly built bridge across the Kerch Strait. Ukraine has also blocked Crimea’s main source of fresh water. Connecting Russia to Crimea along the coast would alleviate some of Russia’s logistical challenges, especially as it pertains to fresh water, while turning the Sea of Azov into a Russian lake. However, this would require a sizeable military force breaking through strongly fortified positions along the frontlines of the Donbas and the capture of Mariupol, Ukraine’s 10th largest city.

Large offensive to capture major cities: The most aggressive scenario could involve Moscow’s attempting to re-establish control of the Novorossiya region of imperial times in southern Ukraine. This would create a land bridge between Russia and Crimea, eventually linking up with the Russian-occupied Transnistria region of Moldova. This would require a large-scale mobilization of Russian forces sufficient to take over Odesa (Ukraine’s third-largest city) as well as Mariupol. If successful, this would fundamentally change the geopolitical and security landscape in Eastern Europe in a way not seen since World War II.

A wildcard scenario: Russia stirs political problems in Ukraine’s Budjak region in the Odesa Oblast. The main goal here would be to manufacture a local political crisis that causes problems for the central government in Kyiv. Moscow attempted this a few years ago (see the so-called National Council of Bessarabia). Budjak is only connected to rest of Ukraine by one regional road. Bordering Budjak is Moldova’s autonomous Gagauzia region. This ethnically Turkic, Orthodox Christian, and Russian speaking region has close links to Moscow and is pro-Russian. Domination of Budjak, in addition to Russia’s military presence in Transnistria, would put Moscow in control of a sizeable stretch of Ukraine’s western border. This would also threaten the stability of Odesa.

It should be noted that any scenario involving conventional military operations would also include sophisticated cyberattacks, effective disinformation campaigns to undermine local and international support for Ukraine’s government, and the activation of “little green men” and other political antagonists to subvert local and national government institutions as was done in Crimea in 2014.

As for a timeline regarding any Russian military operation, that’s anyone’s guess. However, the following should be kept in mind: the ground in eastern Ukraine will be suitably frozen (advantageous to offensive operations and problematic for defenders) in early 2022; the Orthodox Christmas is on January 7
, and the international community’s attention will be on 2022 Winter Olympics in Beijing starting February 4. Russia invaded Georgia during the opening ceremony of the 2008 Beijing Summer Olympics. Also, the Volga-Don Canal, that connects the Sea of Azov with the Caspian Sea, will freeze over in the coming weeks making it inoperable. Any Russian amphibious assault would most likely require ships from Russia’s Caspian Flotilla using the Volga-Don Canal.

In all of these scenarios, Russia is the aggressor, and Ukraine is the victim. That’s the way it has been since the Russian invasion of 2014.

Modern Ukraine represents the idea that each country has the sovereign ability to determine its own path and to decide with whom it has relations, and how and by whom it is governed. No outside actor (in this case, Russia) should have a veto on membership or closer relations with organizations like NATO. It is in America’s interest that Ukraine remains independent, sovereign and free to choose its own destiny. The US must be ready for whatever comes next.

Luke Coffey is the director of The Heritage Foundation’s Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies.


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Doomer Doug

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So biden gives the ukraine the stab in the back all grifters do. Call it Afghanistan 2 or 3. spend months and years baiting the Russian war and then go "oops" we really didn't mean to let you into NATO or actually send any of our woke combat troops. IF nothing else it shows NATO and the EU and the US woke military are a bigger farce than Russia and China even think they are. :popcorn1:

It is obvious to the entire world, after Afghanistan's collapse and rout, and now dumping the Ukraine after baiting Russia since 2014, and especially the last year of biden, the USA is a fart, in the wind, signifying nothing other than the deranged rantings of a mentally defective lunatic with dementia like Biden, plus the neo con warmongers, demoncrat, rino, globalist shills who are quite wiling to put the lives of the ukrainians into the shreder to play their little globalist war games.

So here is how this works out. You DO NOT BAIT PUTIN with impunity. You DO NOT bitch slap Russia around like some Elmo the Muppet doll for fun and cames.

You DO NOT make multiple nuclear threats against Russia, by the Ukraine lunatic of the day, or some asshat RINO fruit from Mississippi threatening a first strike on Russia.
I am not at all convinced Putin won't opt for military strikes on the Ukraine despite biden and the demoncrats and the rinos suddenly going "oops," we was just teasing and didn't really mean to threaten to launch nukes on you, but we will spend BILLIONS, like with all the stuff we left in Afghanistan to equip the Ukraine. like with Turkish drones for example, and the whole lot of them EU, NATO, biden etc think they can just walk all that back now, not big deal?

Putin is playing the adult here. I still think he will invade to secure the Crimea, its water supply, and to smack down these loud mouth woke punks running Europe and the US and NATO.
 

Doomer Doug

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Calling Oreally! Now that biden, NATO, the EU and the woke US has sold out the Ukraine, and ceded eastern ukraine to Putin, with no invasion needed, apparently by Putin, what is the Ukraine going to do now? biden screwed you and your compatriots over big time, much like the czechs in the sudenland and slovakia back in 1938 and 1939.

I understand Poland, the baltic states et al just realized they got Afghanized by biden and are whining about it. Sheesh, didn't they understand the USA is a feckless, corrupt, collapsing empire led by morons and grifters?

I'm still saying Putin will invade, now that he knows biden is a toothless fool. and the threats from France and Germany are HYSTERICAL . like a french poodle and a dachsund terrifies Putin. :prfl:

The poor naive people of the Ukraine need to understand they got grifted by biden and the phrase "hung out to dry," comes to my mind.

Ukraine should have honored the 2015 Minsk accord. They will get :poop: now.
 

coalcracker

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Doug, I’m thinking you need to change your dog metaphor in the post above.

Trust me on this; dachshund’s are small, but they have a whole lot of fight in them.

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