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Tom McDowell

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Inmate dies from coronavirus in Illinois
From CNN’s Omar Jimenez

An inmate at Stateville Correctional Center has died and 12 other incarcerated individuals are now hospitalized, state health officials said.

They added that “several” of them are in need of ventilators.

There are 77 more incarcerated individuals with symptoms who are isolated at the facility and 11 staff also being isolated, officials said.

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raven

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marsh said:
Mmmm no. When you get to the stage of "community spread," no one knows where they got it and there are too many people to contact trace. It is that asymptomatic spreader issue and the problem that the Chinese gave us misinformation on where it could be spread through casual contact, by aerosol and how long it lived on surfaces. I watched the stage transition in Santa Clara where it when from containment to mitigation.
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well, the world will be a much quieter place without all the extroverts and liberals, and as an INTJ, I'd like to thank you for your contribution.
 
PanBear

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people out watching/waiting for the Comfort ship

New York City
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Richard

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This is my pessimistic take, self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain percentage of the population, isolation will not prevent the population eventually being infected by the virus. Isolation cannot continue indefinitely without total disruption of the economy, and the Government cannot provide payments or loans to businesses etc for an indefinite period, however most socialists would maintain that it could and I suspect this will surface in the weeks to come.

Please comment and prove me wrong or is there an alternative solution.
 
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Richard

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Tom McDowell said:
Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

An Australian astrophysicist has been admitted to hospital after getting four magnets stuck up his nose in an attempt to invent a device that stops people touching their faces during the coronavirus outbreak.

Dr Daniel Reardon, a research fellow at Melbourne’s Swinburne University, was building a necklace that sounds an alarm on facial contact, when the mishap occurred on Thursday night.

The 27 year-old astrophysicist, who studies pulsars and gravitational waves, said he was trying to liven up the boredom of self-isolation with the four powerful neodymium magnets.

“I have some electronic equipment but really no experience or expertise in building circuits or things,” he told Guardian Australia.

“I had a part that detects magnetic fields. I thought that if I built a circuit that could detect the magnetic field, and we wore magnets on our wrists, then it could set off an alarm if you brought it too close to your face. A bit of boredom in isolation made me think of that.”

However, the academic realised the electronic part he had did the opposite – and would only complete a circuit when there was no magnetic field present.

“I accidentally invented a necklace that buzzes continuously unless you move your hand close to your face,” he said.

“After scrapping that idea, I was still a bit bored, playing with the magnets. It’s the same logic as clipping pegs to your ears – I clipped them to my earlobes and then clipped them to my nostril and things went downhill pretty quickly when I clipped the magnets to my other nostril.”

Reardon said he placed two magnets inside his nostrils, and two on the outside. When he removed the magnets from the outside of his nose, the two inside stuck together. Unfortunately, the researcher then attempted to use his remaining magnets to remove them.

www.theguardian.com

Astrophysicist gets magnets stuck up nose while inventing coronavirus device

Australian Dr Daniel Reardon ended up in hospital after inserting magnets in his nostrils while building a necklace that warns you when you touch your face
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

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Doesn't look like a serious scientific experiment to state the obvious.

Best stick to stargazing methinks.
 
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DennisD

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Richard said:
This is my pessimistic take, self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain percentage of the population, isolation will not prevent the population eventually being infected by the virus. Isolation cannot continue indefinitely without total disruption of the economy, and the Government cannot provide payments or loans to businesses etc for an indefinite period, however most socialists would maintain that it could and I suspect this will surface in the weeks to come.

Please comment and prove me wrong or is there an alternative solution.
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Slowing the rate of infection eases impact on hospital facilities. Even if the same number are eventually infected, flattening the curve enables the medical system to better cope. Result = more lives saved.
 
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bw

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Richard said:
This is my pessimistic take, self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain percentage of the population, isolation will not prevent the population eventually being infected by the virus. Isolation cannot continue indefinitely without total disruption of the economy, and the Government cannot provide payments or loans to businesses etc for an indefinite period, however most socialists would maintain that it could and I suspect this will surface in the weeks to come.
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Yes, flattening the curve is like stepping on a toothpaste tube, and the victims are merely being squeezed farther forward in time. We can't flatten the curve enough to relieve the hospitals, because they are maxed out at a small fraction of the current and coming infections. Flattening the curve means extending the epidemic, so the hospitals will be maxed out for a longer period of time. It MAY result in fewer total infections and fewer deaths. It MAY give time for a vaccine or a therapy to be shown effective.
 
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bw said:
Yes, flattening the curve is like stepping on a toothpaste tube, and the victims are merely being squeezed farther forward in time. We can't flatten the curve enough to relieve the hospitals, because they are maxed out at a small fraction of the coming infections. Flattening the curve means extending the epidemic, so the hospitals will be maxed out for a longer period of time. It MAY result in fewer total infections and fewer deaths. It MAY give time for a vaccine or a therapy to be shown effective.
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Exactly.

And to produce more Vents, and cross-train medical personnel to operate.
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And to maybe get it through some thick skulls that it ain't the f'n flu. (I know, dead horse, couldn't help myself.)

More time is more better, from a medical delivery, research, propagation of info, ramp up of production, etc. etc. perspective. It sure as hell ain't perfect, but we've got to play the hand we've been dealt.
 
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PanBear

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Richard said:
This is my pessimistic take, self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain percentage of the population, isolation will not prevent the population eventually being infected by the virus. Isolation cannot continue indefinitely without total disruption of the economy, and the Government cannot provide payments or loans to businesses etc for an indefinite period, however most socialists would maintain that it could and I suspect this will surface in the weeks to come.

Please comment and prove me wrong or is there an alternative solution.
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I don't know why this isn't being stated. Yes. You are correct. Flattening the curve stretches out the infection over more time If 80% are going to get it, then they will get it in two months or by flattening the curve over 6 to 8 months. But 80% will get it. The logic is that if it happens in two months all the hospitals will be overwhelmed. flattening the curve does not reduce infection.

Also, Trump says that the peak will be in two weeks. Using standardized statistics, that would mean that 50% of the infections will occur before the peak and 50% on the other side of the peak. He says that 100000 minimum will die. Now there are only 3000 dead. Peaking in two weeks means that 47,000 will die during the next two weeks. 3350 dead per day. Not even 500 today. They are making up numbers that they feel are acceptable to the public.

Here's the raw truth.
* 330,000,000 million people
* 132,000,000 million sick (at 40%)
* 264,000,000 million sick (at 80%)
* CFR at 1% per 40% sick = 1,320,000 dead
* CFR at 1% per 80% sick = 2,640,000 dead

Time? Probably August or September (if these numbers are correct). Remember, this started 5 months ago in China. Sanjay just said that the 100,000 figure is unrealistic.
 
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PanBear said:
Take a look inside the USNS Comfort, as the hospital ship docks in New York City to support the health care system amid the coronavirus crisis. Coronavirus live updates: USNS Comfort's arrival draws crowds, nearly half of all companies considering layoffs
video 2:22 min
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1244644116895498240
View: https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1244644116895498240
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How many days do you think it will be before it spreads to Comfort and Mercy. I say by the end of the week.
 
Tom McDowell

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Trump shares details on machine that disinfects masks
From CNN's Daniella Diaz


Alex Brandon/AP

Alex Brandon/AP

President Trump said the Food and Drug Administration approved a machine that could disinfect N95 masks, so health care providers could reuse them.

"Each machine now can disinfect 120,000 masks per day," Trump said today. "Now, think of that. Each machine can disinfect 120,000 masks per day. It will be just like a new one. It can go up to about 20 times for each mask."

He continued: "So each mask can go through this process 20 times. And they have two in Ohio, one in New York, and one will soon be shipped to Seattle, Washington. And also to Washington, DC. So that's going to make a tremendous difference on the masks."

The FDA approved the use of the mask cleaning machine produced by Columbus based Battelle earlier Monday.

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CNN left out this was the direct result of POTUS personally receiving making the calls to expedite to this action to fruition.

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shane

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Richard said:
This is my pessimistic take, self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain percentage of the population, isolation will not prevent the population eventually being infected by the virus. Isolation cannot continue indefinitely without total disruption of the economy, and the Government cannot provide payments or loans to businesses etc for an indefinite period, however most socialists would maintain that it could and I suspect this will surface in the weeks to come.

Please comment and prove me wrong or is there an alternative solution.
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You're probably right about "self isolation will only delay the inevitable infection of a certain
percentage of the population", but that delay might also allow for more therapeutics to of
both been proven and made more readily available by then for all those 'latecomers', too.

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Krayola

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naturallysweet said:
Italy figured out a great way of making their numbers go down.

#1 Only test people who go to the hospital. Anyone who dies as home or in a nursing home isn't counted.

#2 Announce that anyone over 60 will only get palliative care in a hospital. Which keeps sick old people at home. I

Most European countries seem to be doing the same. No ambulance pickups available for life threatening symptoms. No one wants to admit just how bad it is.
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Remember the worker who was interviewed at the crematory in China was saying how overwhelmed they were? I remember the worker saying that about 60% of the bodies they picked up had died at home.
 
Trivium Pursuit

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Doomer Doug said:
Um, doomer doug is going for 40,000
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You were so close.
Krayola said:
That woman looked old enough to know better. She needs to serve some jail time. Maybe a diet of bread and water for a couple of months might do her some good. I wanted to slap the smirk off of her face when they showed her in the patrol car. My patience is wearing thin these days.
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My guess is that it's not going to go well for her in prison.
 
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