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Farmgal
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Brad McElhinny
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“Now we in West Virginia want to embrace all and have people come from all walks of life when this is over — but right now, we don’t want you to come. And we want you to hear us: We don’t want you to come across our borders.”
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MetroNews
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#WV governor: ‘We don’t want people coming across our state lines’ http://wvmetronews.com/2020/03/30/w-va-governor-we-dont-want-people-coming-across-our-state-lines/…
desertvet2
Veteran Member
Document, document, DOCUMENT... EVERYTHING, every conversation, with who, who was in attendance, dates times, locations.....then, when you are ready...either sue or drop it in their laps and punch em in the throats.
Then walk.
Then walk.
I had to go to Eugene/Springfield for the first time in three weeks. Albertsons parking lot was pretty full, as was Winco, and Walmart, but Costco was relatively quiet. The restaurants were pickup only, and banks were drive up windows only. One of the feed stores in Springfield was out of chicks, but there were some in Walterville. All the stores I was in were well stocked, and the people were polite, and keeping reasonable distance, or were trying to.
While there was a lot of traffic in town, once I got east of Walterville, the road was almost empty. I saw a few logging trucks, and almost as many trucks as cars on 126.
Jacki
While there was a lot of traffic in town, once I got east of Walterville, the road was almost empty. I saw a few logging trucks, and almost as many trucks as cars on 126.
Jacki
Melodi
Disaster Cat
I think you are confused, Prince William is married to Kate and they've been together since college and have several children together (and seem quite happy).
Now William was a helicopter ambulance pilot and even flew a rescue mission over Ireland, it is not a "safe" or "easy" posting - Ireland lost an entire crew near the place where William's team stages a different resue a few weeks before.
At least if something happens to William the crown would pass on to his son George, there is also his daughter and younger son in that line and all of them before Harry.
naegling62
Veteran Member
If my three legged German Shepard can dig a hole and swim too... we're gonna make it also. Hang in there.We’re going under.
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Allotrope
Inactive
Perhaps MAD as in Cold War MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) or all three.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
naegling62
Veteran Member
Anecdotally that makes sense, but I saw somewhere an overlay chart back when the Chinese were claiming we had it first. That chart was for pneumonia like symptoms in hospitals as compared to other years. It didn't indicate it was here earlier.
BassMan
Veteran Member
wth is wrong with people???
By definition, 1/2 of people are below average...
Skyraider
Senior Member
Johnny’s Select has done me right. Placed a large order last week. Four days later I was spraying the box. They have everything you want. Of special notice are their quick crop green mixes. They also have sprouting materials. Several varieties of single or mixes for fresh eating sprouts. That is all
Skyraider
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
And that won't even work until we get a test that doesn't fail five times before recording the "positive"...
THey were the ones I ordered from as well.
mzkitty
I give up.
If this isn't one of THE dumbest things I've ever read. Well, of course they all got sick. Singers breathe in and out very deeply. People are soooooooooo stupid !!!
Revealed: Chorister super-spreader passed the virus to 45 out of 60 people at a Washington singing practice - as medics say the transmission was AIRBORNE because they had all been social-distancing
A chorister super-spreader passed coronavirus to 45 out of 60 people at a singing practice - as medics say the transmission was airborne because they had all been social distancing.
On March 10, 60 members of the Skagit Valley Chorale attended a scheduled practice at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church in Washington.
When they arrived, the singers were offered hand sanitizer at the door. Members also refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes as they met each other.
The practice lasted two and a half hours and the members of the church then went their separate ways.
Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or are ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.
So far experts have warned that social-distancing is not a 100 per cent guarantee that you will not catch the infection.
The cases have shocked health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.
In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared to be ill.
When the virus started spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir's conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the 'stress and strain of concerns about the virus,' practice would proceed as scheduled.
Members of the choir have said that everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact.
Some members helped set up or remove folding chairs and a few helped themselves to mandarins that had been put out on a table in the back.
According to the publication, experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols, where particles can float in the air for minutes or longer.
The World Health Organisation has downplayed this as a possible way of transferring the deadly virus.
They say the bug is passed on through 'respiratory droplets' in the air - for example when someone coughs or sneezes near you, or the droplets land on a surface.
A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that when the virus was suspended in a mist under laboratory conditions it remained infectious for three hours.
One of the experts that worked on the study said it's possible that the 'forceful breathing action of singing' dispersed particles containing the virus around the room during the rehearsal.
He added that the outbreak would be considered a super-spreading event.
Carolynn Comstock and her husband, Jim Owen went to the choir practice with their friends Ruth and Mark Backlund.
They both took the hand sanitizer at the door and took their seats for the rehearsal. Three days later all four of them had symptoms of coronavirus including a fever, cough and loss of taste and smell.
Later that week tests confirmed they had the virus and on March 17, a choir member alerted Skagit County Public Health about the outbreak.
Health workers then contacted other members of the choir group to tell them to self-isolate if they felt unwell.
Nancy Hamilton, an 83-year-old soprano in the group died in hospital on March 21. Another woman in her 80s also passed away.
Health officials said all 28 choir members who were tested for COVID-19 were found to be infected. The other 17 with symptoms never got tested, either because tests were not available or they didn't consider themselves sick enough to be eligible.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Revealed: Chorister super-spreader passed the virus to 45 out of 60 people at a Washington singing practice - as medics say the transmission was AIRBORNE because they had all been social-distancing
- 60 members of the Skagit Valley Chorale attended practice before many got ill
- They used hand sanitizer and refrained from hugs or handshakes at the meet up
- Experts say the virus may have been transmitted through the air at the rehearsal
- Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?
A chorister super-spreader passed coronavirus to 45 out of 60 people at a singing practice - as medics say the transmission was airborne because they had all been social distancing.
On March 10, 60 members of the Skagit Valley Chorale attended a scheduled practice at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church in Washington.
When they arrived, the singers were offered hand sanitizer at the door. Members also refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes as they met each other.
The practice lasted two and a half hours and the members of the church then went their separate ways.
Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or are ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.
So far experts have warned that social-distancing is not a 100 per cent guarantee that you will not catch the infection.
The cases have shocked health officials, who have concluded that the virus was almost certainly transmitted through the air from one or more people without symptoms.
In interviews with the Los Angeles Times, eight people who were at the rehearsal said that nobody there was coughing or sneezing or appeared to be ill.
When the virus started spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
On March 6, Adam Burdick, the choir's conductor, informed the 121 members in an email that amid the 'stress and strain of concerns about the virus,' practice would proceed as scheduled.
Members of the choir have said that everybody came with their own sheet music and avoided direct physical contact.
Some members helped set up or remove folding chairs and a few helped themselves to mandarins that had been put out on a table in the back.
According to the publication, experts said the choir outbreak is consistent with a growing body of evidence that the virus can be transmitted through aerosols, where particles can float in the air for minutes or longer.
The World Health Organisation has downplayed this as a possible way of transferring the deadly virus.
They say the bug is passed on through 'respiratory droplets' in the air - for example when someone coughs or sneezes near you, or the droplets land on a surface.
A recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that when the virus was suspended in a mist under laboratory conditions it remained infectious for three hours.
One of the experts that worked on the study said it's possible that the 'forceful breathing action of singing' dispersed particles containing the virus around the room during the rehearsal.
He added that the outbreak would be considered a super-spreading event.
Carolynn Comstock and her husband, Jim Owen went to the choir practice with their friends Ruth and Mark Backlund.
They both took the hand sanitizer at the door and took their seats for the rehearsal. Three days later all four of them had symptoms of coronavirus including a fever, cough and loss of taste and smell.
Later that week tests confirmed they had the virus and on March 17, a choir member alerted Skagit County Public Health about the outbreak.
Health workers then contacted other members of the choir group to tell them to self-isolate if they felt unwell.
Nancy Hamilton, an 83-year-old soprano in the group died in hospital on March 21. Another woman in her 80s also passed away.
Health officials said all 28 choir members who were tested for COVID-19 were found to be infected. The other 17 with symptoms never got tested, either because tests were not available or they didn't consider themselves sick enough to be eligible.
Super-spreader passed virus to 45 out of 60 people at singing practice
On March 10, 60 members of the Skagit Valley Chorale attended a practice at Mount Vernon Presbyterian Church in Washington. Three weeks later 45 had the virus or symptoms.
SpokaneMan
Veteran Member
Affirmative. Both. That's the real reason I escaped Washington State. I had a Loraina Bobbit on my hands.
Tristan
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wasn't it George Carlin who said something like "think of the average dumb guy you know; then realize one-half of them are even dumber!"
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Message from a local Oregon Facebook friend (known her my whole life. Trust this info.)
Inside information, SIX of the infections in Marion County drove Cherriots bus. No driver keeps a set route forever, they rotate, and most have been floating daily as drivers get sick. Imagine the potential for aerosol on the city bus.
Inside information, SIX of the infections in Marion County drove Cherriots bus. No driver keeps a set route forever, they rotate, and most have been floating daily as drivers get sick. Imagine the potential for aerosol on the city bus.
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PanBear
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Dr. Michael J. Ryan, Executive Director
A top official at the World Health Organization said lockdowns alone will not work in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. Follow live updates here: Coronavirus | Reuters
Lockdowns alone will not prevent coronavirus spread, says WHO - News
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A top official at the World Health Organization said lockdowns alone will not work in stopping the spread of the coronavirus. Follow live updates here: Coronavirus | Reuters
Lockdowns alone will not prevent coronavirus spread, says WHO - News
video 1:10 min
View: https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1244721056222449664
marsh
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As we reported yesterday, with the world sharing its data, we are starting to get a better handle on understanding the coronavirus. This real-time exchange of data and insights going on across the globe right now is invaluable to global efforts to fight the spread of covid-19 more effectively.
Germany has recently contributed two important pieces to the puzzle. First, it has been conducting *many* more tests per capita than other countries (500,000/week). Due to this, they have a better picture of the true # of infected people.
Their recent data suggests that the real Case Fatality Rate (CFR) for covid-19 is closer to 0.4% -- substantially lower than the rates calculated for most other countries, who don't test as aggressively.
A 0.4% CFR is still concerning, but is substantially better than the previous 2-3% estimates from just a few weeks back.
Second, because it tests so many people, Germany is swiftly building a database of people who recover and therefore have anti-bodies against the virus. It plans to fast-track these folks' return to work, so that they can get the economy recovering faster without fear of infecting others.
In this way, valuable insights lead to more effective policies -- just like the Czech Republic has done with the #Masks4All movement. As we get smarter, we get stronger.
This, folks, is how we'll beat covid-19.
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bw
Fringe Ranger
Take it as a challenge.
mzkitty
I give up.
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Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
He had mercy for 2000 years.
We paid respects by killing babies, engaging in pedophilia, pushing 5 year olds to be transgender, teaching sexual perversion in schools, taking kids to gay pride parades or to the libraries to have transexuals normalize it with "story time", etc.
Now He comes in judgment.
Very little doubt in my mind that this virus will lead to rioting and looting in the streets of America. The police and fire/rescue are getting sick in droves. The criminal element will use the depletion of manpower to their advantage. Crime will skyrocket. Once chaos becomes the norm in America and western europe, wars will begin. The economy won't be coming back in any way we recognize. Inflation has to happen at this point and probably another great depression.
Someone will try to gain authority and bring a measure of peace and order to the world.
This virus has all the earmarks of bringing the prophecies of Revelation right to us in very rapid succession. I always had trouble trying to figure out how the world could collapse so fast in just a few short years as described by John. COVID-19 makes it crystal clear.
Hope I'm wrong but if not, get your Bible out, rely on Him and His will be done. The silver lining? Maybe... Just, maybe, you will get to see His return.
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Allotrope
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WARNING – Math follows!
I was thinking about R0 and how imprecise it is. True infectiousness probably follows a Gaussian Curve as a first approximation and if social distancing can cut the middle part of the curve out it should help a lot. For those that are more ill, the center of the curve is when they would seek health care so hospitals may become an even larger vector in the days to come. Perhaps a more advanced civilization with robotic medicine and care and fast testing could eliminate pandemics completely.
From R0 you get a geometric series which yields an exponential divided by a constant so not R0^n
but ((R0^(n+1)) – 1)/(R0 – 1) .
For R0=3 ___ 1, 3, 9, 27, 81 for periods 0,1,2,3,4 or (3^5-1)/(3-1)= 242/2=121 total cases.
R0=2 ______ 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 _________________ or (2^5-1)/(2-1)=31/1=31 or almost 2^5
R0=2 is essentially an pure exponential and usually an R0 of 2 is given as an example, clouding the true form.
A detailed analysis would probably break the infectious period into many segments, each segment giving rise to a Fibonacci like Sequence from which you could generalize to a rather messy and complicated set of Differential Equations. That would be a lot of work. Just some random thoughts from a non-statistician for those interested.
I was thinking about R0 and how imprecise it is. True infectiousness probably follows a Gaussian Curve as a first approximation and if social distancing can cut the middle part of the curve out it should help a lot. For those that are more ill, the center of the curve is when they would seek health care so hospitals may become an even larger vector in the days to come. Perhaps a more advanced civilization with robotic medicine and care and fast testing could eliminate pandemics completely.
From R0 you get a geometric series which yields an exponential divided by a constant so not R0^n
but ((R0^(n+1)) – 1)/(R0 – 1) .
For R0=3 ___ 1, 3, 9, 27, 81 for periods 0,1,2,3,4 or (3^5-1)/(3-1)= 242/2=121 total cases.
R0=2 ______ 1, 2, 4, 8, 16 _________________ or (2^5-1)/(2-1)=31/1=31 or almost 2^5
R0=2 is essentially an pure exponential and usually an R0 of 2 is given as an example, clouding the true form.
A detailed analysis would probably break the infectious period into many segments, each segment giving rise to a Fibonacci like Sequence from which you could generalize to a rather messy and complicated set of Differential Equations. That would be a lot of work. Just some random thoughts from a non-statistician for those interested.
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psychgirl
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I had tears in my eyes!!! Love love this!!!LOVE THIS!! At President Trump's Coronavirus presser today, spoken at the podium by Mike Lindell, of My Pillow:
"God gave us grace on November 8, 2016 to change the course we were on. God had been taken out of our schools and lives, a nation had turned its back on God. And I encourage you to use this time at home to get back in the Word, read our Bibles, and spend time with our families. Our president gave us hope, where just a few short months ago we had the best economy, the lowest unemployment, wages going up, it was amazing. With our great President, Vice President, this administration, and all the great people of this country praying daily, we will get through this and get back to a place that's stronger and safer than ever."
bw
Fringe Ranger
R0 is the combination of virus attributes and the environment it's in. R0 is different depending on how people interact. If you don't start with that understanding, you won't grasp what R0 means at all.
"Wow. China had only 3500 deaths . . . they must have done everything super duper perfectly
factor of 10X is 35000 which would still be super perfectly.
350,000 would mean they did thing absolutely perfect;y because they have 5 times the population
three million five hundred thousand would still be in the realm of having done things perfectly.
21 million would probably be closer to the truth"
But nearly all their cases were in Hubei province which has a population of about 60 million. Our population is almost 6 times the population of Hubei.
factor of 10X is 35000 which would still be super perfectly.
350,000 would mean they did thing absolutely perfect;y because they have 5 times the population
three million five hundred thousand would still be in the realm of having done things perfectly.
21 million would probably be closer to the truth"
But nearly all their cases were in Hubei province which has a population of about 60 million. Our population is almost 6 times the population of Hubei.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
It's still better than doing nothing at all...
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Plaquenil...
Jubilee on Earth
Veteran Member
Oh, I laughed at that. I have a laptop, so no spare keyboard. But I have two cans of cleaning spray, a microfiber cloth, and an extra charger by my side at all times.
desertvet2
Veteran Member
We are not going back to what was, we are moving ever forward towards what is to be.
Do not hold on to what was, embrace what is, and work diligently and with humility to survive and thrive in what is coming.
Speak to HIM. LISTEN AND WATCH for HIS answers.
Help those that need to be helped.
Kill those who need killing.
pray for forgiveness.
Do not hold on to what was, embrace what is, and work diligently and with humility to survive and thrive in what is coming.
Speak to HIM. LISTEN AND WATCH for HIS answers.
Help those that need to be helped.
Kill those who need killing.
pray for forgiveness.
Texican
Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
The DW went to the little town that is 17 miles away to the pharmacy to pickup meds from scrips issued by the local PA at the local clinic that is no longer doing walk-ins. The pharmacy was only letting in four people in at a time if they were wearing gloves and masks if they were not sick for then they provided curb side service. The local grocery store was only allowing ten people at a time in and if they were wearing gloves and masks.
All of the pharmacy and grocery store employees were wearing gloves and masks.
Neither business was busy.
The sheep are awake and are afraid.
God help us with this virus.
Texican....
All of the pharmacy and grocery store employees were wearing gloves and masks.
Neither business was busy.
The sheep are awake and are afraid.
God help us with this virus.
Texican....
bsharp
Veteran Member
I believe that this should apply to ALL SENATORS and REPRESENTATIVES as well. If they relied on the very same medical and retirement that us commoners retire on, bet they would take better care of medicare and social security!
Quiet Man
Nothing unreal exists
...even if it's for a laptop!
bsharp
Veteran Member
At the very least, they should supply RVs for the front line people that are tying to save lives every day and still keep their own families safe!
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
I saw a report from China where One infected person on a long distance bus infected everybody on it. The six foot rule is pointless in a sealed environment with doors opening and CIRCULATING THE AIR. FURTHER it was seen the droplets went 14 feet from front to back of the bus. If all six were infected, worked multiple different shifts, different days etc you could end up with dozens, hundreds of cases maybe thousands when you add the other people who came in contact.