CORONA Main Coronavirus thread

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Very cool; I have an Instant Pot! I would think it might be wise to get a bunch of spare gaskets; I know everything inside is sterilized, but the rings do get permanently stained/odorized, so ???? I have 3 different colors for different uses.
Me, too, courtesy of Amazon. I run my IP gaskets through the dishwasher on the "sterilize" cycle, but I don't know if they come out Clinically Sterile or just Sterile Enough for Gummint Work. Guess you could soak them in a little bleach water, but it might degrade or infuse the silicone. Clorox Cauliflower, anyone?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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DIY virus protection: Hong Kongers making own masks amid shortages


Hong Kong (AFP) – With chronic face mask shortages in the midst of a virus outbreak, Hong Kongers have started making their own — with a pop-up production line and seamstresses churning them out on sewing machines.
In one of the most densely populated cities on earth, face masks have become hot property as people scramble for protection against the new deadly coronavirus.
Long queues — sometimes thousands strong — routinely crop up outside pharmacies when supplies are in, and there is anger at the government’s failure to have stockpiled.
Some are turning to DIY solutions — albeit of questionable quality.
Judy, a 73-year-old out shopping in the district of Wanchai, was spotted in a homemade mask.
“I found the material — my handkerchief, and some non-woven fabric — and I combined them and used some wire for the top, and some elastic,” she told AFP, declining to give her surname.
While Hong Kong’s economy reels, business has been brisk on one street in the working-class Sham Shui Po district that boasts many fabric and tailoring shops.
A colourful array of cloth masks hangs outside many of the cramped storefronts as shoppers haggle over the din of whirring sewing machines.
Elase Wong, a tailor, said she was giving away her face mask sewing design.
“Some people couldn’t buy any masks… So if they can make them themselves, that would be great,” she told AFP.
“I hope everyone can achieve self-sufficiency.”
– Pop-up assembly line –
The cost of masks has skyrocketed with scarcity and the government resisting price controls or rationing, as in nearby Macau and Taiwan.
A set of 50 simple surgical masks can sell for up to HK$300 ($40), while the top of the range N95 variety is going for as high as HK$1,800 a box.
A film director surnamed Tong was this week putting the finishing touches to a face mask assembly line in an industrial building.
“I was shocked by the price of face masks,” he told AFP.
“I did some research and realised that masks are not that difficult to make. Why do people have to bear such a high cost? Because there is no production line in Hong Kong”.
With the help of an investor he managed to import a machine from India, and plans to ship more.
Currently in the testing phase, the device will produce 60-80 surgical masks per minute from Saturday in a dust-free room.
Tong said the masks will be sold online for HK$1-2 each, limited to one box per person.
The administration of chief executive Carrie Lam says it is doing all it can to secure new supplies of face masks amid a global shortage.
Output has been ramped up on a prison labour production line and there are plans to set aside HK$1.5 billion to support the creation of domestic factories.
The lack of stockpiles has sparked criticism of Lam, even from among her pro-Beijing political allies.
Many have expressed surprise that a city which suffered 299 deaths during the 2003 SARS outbreak was not better prepared.
Since SARS, which Beijing initially covered up, Hong Kongers have embraced higher communal hygiene standards and face masks have long been a common sight, especially during the winter flu season.
Joseph Kwan, a public health expert from the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology, said widespread mask use during SARS also lowered cases of the common cold that year.
In a tightly packed city like Hong Kong, new viruses will “spread like wildfire if nobody wears a mask”, he said.
“It would be a public health disaster”.


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naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Testing is counterproductive. It establishes definitively to the public that the virus is here and propagating. Being positive or negative does not change empiric therapy between this and influenza. fluids, antipyretics are the same for the first week to 10 days. The 20% or so that would progress to serious/critical requiring high flow oxygen or ultimately ventilation/ECMO will proceed towards that end regardless of testing and will be dealt with when they get there.

When you realize that this CANNOT be controlled the need to test becomes irrelevant. Not testing is simply a means to mitigate panic. People aren't afraid of the flu--they are COVID (or they will be, rather).
Roughly 20% get this serious or critical and need to be hospitalized. If half the nation gets it, then 10% of our population will need to be hospitalized for up to 6-8 weeks.

This is a bio weapon that was designed not to kill everyone quickly like ebola, but to shut down civilization for extended periods.

Good help us!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
This is a bio weapon that was designed not to kill everyone quickly like ebola, but to shut down civilization for extended periods.

As I've said before, all signs point to this being an accidental release. That means this was not the intended biodesign, it's an interim design or prototype. Not all of its attributes are design features the lab had in mind, and the course of the pandemic was not necessarily the plan. Not everything is part of a scheme.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Roughly 20% get this serious or critical and need to be hospitalized. If half the nation gets it, then 10% of our population will need to be hospitalized for up to 6-8 weeks.

This is a bio weapon that was designed not to kill everyone quickly like ebola, but to shut down civilization for extended periods.

Good help us!
there are not enough hospitals for 20% of the population. there are not enough for 10% of the population.
there are not enough supplies to care for 10% of the population.
there are not enough nurses and doctors for 10% of the population.
there are not enough cooks to feed 10% of the population while they remain incapacitated for 2 months.

10% of the population is 32 million and that does not include all the uncounted illegal immigrants
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe I should send this to the Lee County health department. (see article above)

(fair use applies)

Chinese researchers just confirmed that patients can transmit the coronavirus without showing symptoms.
A woman passed it to 5 relatives.

Business Insider•February 21, 2020

A 20-year-old woman from Wuhan, China, transmitted the coronavirus to her family members without ever showing any symptoms, a new study found.

The woman tested positive for the virus, but her CT scans were clear and she never became physically ill.

Five of her family members, however, came down with a fever. Two developed severe pneumonia.

The case is evidence that the coronavirus can be transmitted when someone is asymptomatic.

Chinese researchers have confirmed a case of asymptomatic transmission of the new coronavirus: A 20-year-old woman from Wuhan passed it to five of her family members but never got physically sick herself.

The case study is the first concrete evidence that a person showing no symptoms can pass the coronavirus to others — a fact that could make curbing the outbreak even more challenging.

The researchers behind the finding said the 20-year-old woman was isolated and closely observed at the Fifth People's Hospital of Anyang. She never become physically ill, even after her family members developed fevers. Two of them got severe pneumonia.

For now, the woman's asymptomatic transmission appears to be an anomaly, but health experts have documented other instances in which people tested positive for the virus without showing symptoms.

A report from the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention analyzed records of all of China's reported cases of the virus from December 8 to February 11 and found that 1.2% of patients confirmed to be infected showed no symptoms. A far higher portion of asymptomatic cases was found on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, where 322 of 621 people tested positive but showed no symptoms.

"It's very clear that the people who are getting caught in that umbrella of reporting are the people that present themselves to a hospital," Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a briefing on February 6. "There's another whole cohort that is either asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic."

The 20-year-old woman in the new case study lives in Wuhan — the city where the outbreak started — but traveled to Anyang on January 10. Three days later, she went with five family members to visit a sick patient (who did not have the coronavirus) at the Anyang District Hospital.

On January 17, one of the woman's family members came down with a fever and sore throat. The following week, the other four relatives developed a fever and respiratory symptoms. Those relatives were admitted to the Fifth People's Hospital on January 26.

All of the family members tested positive for the coronavirus. The only person they'd had contact with who had been in Wuhan was their 20-year-old relative.

When doctors initially tested the young woman for the coronavirus, the results came back negative. Her CT scan was normal, too. But a day later, she tested positive for the virus even though she wasn't showing any symptoms. By February 11, the woman still had no fever, cough, sore throat, or gastrointestinal issues.

Doctors concluded that the woman's incubation period — the time during which she was infectious — was 19 days. Chinese health officials previously estimated that the incubation period for the virus ranged from one to 14 days, but recent research suggests it could be as long as 24 days.

The US and many other countries have established quarantine rules for travelers from Wuhan based on that 14-day window.

Asymptomatic transmission in Germany?

Most of the coronavirus cases so far have been mild, but the virus has killed more than 2,200 people and infected more than 76,000. Though the majority of cases are on the Chinese mainland, the virus has spread to 29 other countries.

A case of asymptomatic transmission similar to the one described in the new case study was previously identified in Germany. But that research turned out to be flawed.

According to a letter published in the New England Journal of Medicine, a woman from Shanghai transmitted the virus to a 33-year-old German businessman in January. Three days later, he felt better and went back to work, then infected at least two of his colleagues. But the researchers had not spoken with the woman, who had in fact experienced mild symptoms at the time of transmission.

That left scientists unsure as to whether people who never experience any symptoms can transmit the disease — until today.


Please do!

Maybe they'll even read it.
 

rafter

Since 1999
Watching Cavuto on Fox this morning. (gag)...he has had several segments about corona virus.

One is a conversation with one lady in quarantine in Nebraska. She is one of the 2 people in the group that does NOT have it....so far. It showed video of the plane on the tarmac in Omaha...with Omaha city ambulances backed up to the plane. So Omaha ambulances were used to transport!!! Maybe that is the norm, but doesn't look like a great idea to me.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Getting difficult to keep up.

You can't take a sip from a firehose.

YMMV but I have stopped even trying to keep up with made-up numbers from overseas, and essentially completely discount domestic numbers as well. They are simply not worth burning time on that could be spent more productively on other things.
Likewise WHO and CDC anything. Useless wastes of time.

Again, YMMV. If you just loooove to pick at scabs and cannot leave the official BS alone, go for it. But if you do, don't complain about how much of a problem it is to keep up :D.

Discernment, folks. Discernment.

I'm taking everything I hear from the so-called "experts" at WHO and the CDC with a grain of salt. What's happening in other parts of the world is of interest, but I don't trust them to be telling the truth, either. What I'm trying to do is to keep track of cases that are near my AO. So far, there are none to my knowledge. BUT, with all the flu that is around in our area, I may be surprised to learn that a few of those flu cases could be in fact the Wu Flu! We just never know, do we?
 

Skyraider

Senior Member
They were asked to monitor themselves for 14 days? Wonderful......meanwhile they can shed virus asymptomatically as they go about their daily business. Not even asked to quarantine at home apparently.

Great, looks like Lee County has no adults in charge. So she just ambles through the airport and heads on home acting like nothing is going on. Probably stopped at Publix and who knows where else. She is acting likes its a joke, we know she is carrying. Who drove her home, what friends is she visiting to tell her terrible inconvenient story too. Brother....
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Then why are (they ) as a unit acting mildly mentally retarded.. Either the CDC is completely incompetent or they're doing this on purpose... Only testing under 400 people at this point could be considered criminal.. Not informing the public of the dangers that are facing them is going to get people killed...
I've been in close contact with a local hospital My wife is a Nursing supervisor. My daughter is a ER trauma nurse and the hospital they work at has done NOTHING to prepare .
The Hospital has not heard a peep from the State or Federal about what's the plan is... In fact as far as we can conclude there is no plan at all..... They have 4 sets of full PPE TOTAL....and NO N95 masks in the hospital at all
Because the average employee has no say about any of this - I know how ineffectual, unprepared and downright stupid they can be as an agency because I was at ground Zero for the AID/HIV fight and trying to get first recognition and later funding to treat the disease.

The CDC, especially under Bush Senior, did its best to obstruct things going forward and there was the same sort of nonsense about the protection of hospital staff (both in terms of under-stating some dangers and over-stating with others).

The entire mess was political beyond belief, so I do hear you but again it isn't the clerks, lower-level researchers or secretaries that do this, it tends to be the people at the top (usually under orders from the administration, not always the President but their staff).

That went so far as to try to ORDER the doctors and nurses attending the HIV conference in San Francisco NOT to join the massive march through downtown, instead, I am happy to say those doctors and nurses from all over the USA WALKED OUT and joined the march right in front of me!

I've written about this before, but you can see the actual moment in the movie "And the Band Played On" - I'm carrying the banner so you only see my feet, but you can hear me should "We are in this together" and the medical folks in full white coats and regalia answering with "Silence Equals Death/Action Equals Life."

Oh and before I close this rather too-long post, I'd like to point out that it was a GS-7 level clerk (secretary type) who FIRST SAW THE HIV EPIDEMIC AND BROUGHT IT TO THE AGENCIES ATTENTION.

She had been in the meetings with doctors and other stuff talking about how to trace epidemics and she was the one that saw a sudden rise in the number of requests for an "orphan" drug the CDC had to approve for a weird type of pneumonia that normally was used every few months and instead she got like 10 requests in a few weeks.

That was how the first cases were traced and the race was on to find patient Zero in the US and Canada.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Health officials worry as untraceable virus clusters emerge

In South Korea, Singapore and Iran, clusters of infections are leading to a jump in cases of the new viral illness outside China. But it’s not the numbers that are worrying experts: It’s that increasingly they can’t trace where the clusters started.

World Health Organization officials said China’s crackdown on parts of the country bought time for the rest of the world to prepare for the new virus. But as hot spots emerge around the globe, trouble finding each source — the first patient who sparks every new cluster — might signal the disease has begun spreading too widely for tried-and-true public health steps to stamp it out.

A number of spot fires, occurring around the world is a sign that things are ticking along, and what we are going to have here is probably a pandemic,” said Ian Mackay, who studies viruses at Australia’s University of Queensland.

That worst-case isn’t here yet, the WHO insists. It isn’t convinced that countries outside China need more draconian measures, but it pointed to spikes in cases in Iran and South Korea to warn that time may be running out to contain the virus.

“What we see is a very different phase of this outbreak depending where you look,” said WHO’s Dr. Sylvie Briand. “We see different patterns of transmission in different places.”

The World Health Organization defines a “global pandemic” as a disease spreading on two continents, though some public health experts would call an outbreak a pandemic if the spread is over a wide area or across many international borders.

The newest red flag: Iran has reported 28 cases, including five deaths, in just days. The cluster began in the city of Qom, a popular religious destination, but it’s not clear how. Worse, infected travelers from Iran already have been discovered in Lebanon and Canada.

In South Korea, most of the hundreds of new cases detected since Wednesday are linked to a church in the city of Daegu and a nearby hospital. But health authorities have not yet found the “index case,” the person among the church’s 9,000 followers who set off the chain of infections.

There also have been several cases in the capital, Seoul, where the infection routes have not yet been traced. In Europe, Italy saw cases of the new virus more than quadruple in a day as it grapples with infections in a northern region that apparently have spread through a hospital and a cafe.

A cluster of cases isn’t inherently worrying — in fact, it’s expected as an infection that’s easy to spread is carried around the world by travelers. The first line of defense: Isolate the sick to treat them and prevent further spread, and quarantine people who came in contact with them until the incubation period is over.

But as the virus becomes more widespread, trying to trace every contact would be futile, Singapore’s Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong acknowledged earlier this month.

“If we still hospitalize and isolate every suspect case, our hospitals will be overwhelmed,” he said. So far, the city-state has identified five clusters of transmission, including two churches. But there remain eight locally transmitted cases with no links to earlier cases, or to China.

Viruses vary in how they infect. The new coronavirus — unlike its cousins SARS, or severe acute respiratory syndrome, and MERS, or Middle East respiratory syndrome — spreads as easily as a common cold.

And it’s almost certainly being spread by people who show such mild symptoms that no one can tell, said Dr. Amesh Adalja of the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

“If that’s the case, all of these containment methods are not going to work,” Adalja said. “It’s likely mixed in the cold and flu season all over the place, in multiple countries” and gone unnoticed until someone gets severely ill.

These milder symptoms are good news “in terms of not as many people dying,” said Mackay, of Australia. “But it’s really bad news if you are trying to stop a pandemic,” he added.

When Hong Kong reported it first death from the virus earlier this month, it also confirmed three locally transmitted cases with no known link to any previous cases or any travel history to China. Chuang Shuk-kwan of the Center for Health Protection warned then that “there could be invisible chains of infection happening within communities.”

Officials in both South Korea and Japan have signaled in the past week that the spread is entering a new phase in their countries.

On Friday, South Korean Prime Minister Chung Se-kyun said the government would have to shift its focus from quarantine and border control to slowing the spread of the virus. Schools and churches were closed and some mass gatherings banned.

Takaji Wakita, head of Japan’s National Institute of Infectious Diseases, earlier urged people to work at home or in shifts to avoid being in a crowd, and refrain from holding non-essential and non-urgent meetings.

But Adalja cautioned that far-reaching measures like China instituted in the outbreak’s epicenter of Wuhan — where citizens have been ordered to stay in their homes for weeks — can backfire. While it remains to be seen if the new virus is waning, that kind of lockdown makes it hard for people to get other critically important care, like fast treatment for a heart attack.

There’s no way to predict if the recent clusters will burn out or trigger widespread transmission.

For now, health officials should try and contain the infection for as long as possible while preparing for a change in strategy by preparing hospitals, readying protective equipment and bolstering laboratory capacity, said Gagandeep Kang, a microbiologist who leads India’s Translational Health Science and Technology Institute.

“Although the window of opportunity is narrowing to contain the outbreak, we still have a chance to contain it,” said WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus. “But while doing that, we have to prepare at the same time for any eventualities, because this outbreak could go any direction – it could even be messy.”

 

vector7

Dot Collector
:cmpcf:

Am I seeing that Iran has a very high fatality rate?

If so....a lack of widespread diagnosis, lack of proper care or a genetic weakness?

Article from January. I wonder if they're going to regret the invitation. I don't know if this is where it started, just an interesting coincidence I picked up while going through the twitter feeds.

(fair use applies)

'Security is not a problem': Tehran invites Chinese tourists to spend Lunar New Year in Iran
by Joel Gehrke
January 10, 2020 03:55 PM

Iran invited Chinese tourists to visit Tehran, just days after a military confrontation with the United States.

“Rest assured, Chinese friends can spend the New Year holiday in Iran,” the Iranian Embassy in Beijing announced on Friday, referring to China's Jan. 24 Lunar New Year Day. “Security is not a problem.”

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CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
there are not enough hospitals for 20% of the population. there are not enough for 10% of the population.
there are not enough supplies to care for 10% of the population.
there are not enough nurses and doctors for 10% of the population.
there are not enough cooks to feed 10% of the population while they remain incapacitated for 2 months.

10% of the population is 32 million and that does not include all the uncounted illegal immigrants

That's probably true.

Just making some notes here:

From the articles I've been reading the death rate, if I am remembering right, is about 3%.

Someone would have to run the numbers through a calculator but the (reported if trustworthy - not) is about 70,000 in China with a pop of several billion. Meaning percentage of pop is low.

However this thing is really weird. They get what....12 cases in Italy and they shut down 12 cities (maybe it's 24).

That's what has people spooked.

No one is scared of 24 million people in the US with the flu and 14,000 dead, no closures of any kind. We haven't quarantined a single city.

And just for a FYI the last time me and SouthernBreeze got the flu at the same time, we didn't go to no hospital. We self quarantined because we were to sick to get out. Drank fluids/gatoraid, and took a bottle of Tylenol.

In my mind the question should be why is the government quarantining places for this when they don't for the flu??????
 

Lindy

Veteran Member
RE: post #16,952.

What would be the best material for home brewed masks?

Goin. g on the assumption that something is better than nothing.
Hi Millwright...looking at my vacuum cleaner bags...Replacement allergen vacuum bags that capture microscopic particles and bacteria as small as 0.1 micron. ...that would be to stuff the maxi pad with...now ya got a fashion statement!
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
At this point and I'm hesitant to even say this I think they need to get out of the way let somebody that knows about radiological biological and chemical attacks run the show. (US Army)..If the CDC and HHS does not get on the ball real fast they'll be 20% less people in our country this time next year and that's probably an underestimate...

USAMRIID's no longer a player--CDC shut 'em down:


They're easing back into business, but are not close to being fully operational:

 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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That's probably true.

Just making some notes here:

From the articles I've been reading the death rate, if I am remembering right, is about 3%.

Someone would have to run the numbers through a calculator but the (reported if trustworthy - not) is about 70,000 in China with a pop of several billion. Meaning percentage of pop is low.

However this thing is really weird. They get what....12 cases in Italy and they shut down 12 cities (maybe it's 24).

That's what has people spooked.

No one is scared of 24 million people in the US with the flu and 14,000 dead, no closures of any kind. We haven't quarantined a single city.

And just for a FYI the last time me and SouthernBreeze got the flu at the same time, we didn't go to no hospital. We self quarantined because we were to sick to get out. Drank fluids/gatoraid, and took a bottle of Tylenol.

In my mind the question should be why is the government quarantining places for this when they don't for the flu??????

The normal flu is accepted as part of life.

This virus has become a newsmaker.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
Believe it or not, Maxi-pads are made of the same material as N-100 masks. The ones with wings on them. At least that is what an engineer told me. You asked.....

Blizzard, MD, FACEP
this is the type of information we really need, do you sew in into some kind of holder? or can you open one up. and spread the material out to make a wider one? and do you have a link to where you heard that , some people might think your joking about using that for a mask
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
From the articles I've been reading the death rate, if I am remembering right, is about 3%.

If you take all the people infected at point X, and all the people dead at point X, it looks like 3%. That doesn't take into account that 20% of the infected people are going to die later. The 3% is bogus. You have to count the recovered against the dead, and that's somewhere in the range 10% to 35% depending.

In my mind the question should be why is the government quarantining places for this when they don't for the flu??????

Because the government knows which statistics are bogus. They know how bad this thing is.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
there are not enough hospitals for 20% of the population. there are not enough for 10% of the population.
there are not enough supplies to care for 10% of the population.
there are not enough nurses and doctors for 10% of the population.
there are not enough cooks to feed 10% of the population while they remain incapacitated for 2 months.

10% of the population is 32 million and that does not include all the uncounted illegal immigrants

There are around 900,000 hospital beds in the United States I believe. Not ICU beds, total beds.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
RE: post #16,952.

What would be the best material for home brewed masks?

Going on the assumption that something is better than nothing.

If I was doing it, I would use a tight weave cotton/poly in layers enough that droplets probably wouldn't penetrate, but that was still breathable. Make plenty so they could be changed often if caring for sick family members, drop into bleach water solution for 5 minutes or so, and air dry...preferably outside in the sun. Yes...the bleach solution will rot the fabric after a series of uses, so a need to discard eventually.

As you said...better than nothing. Quite possibly a LOT better than nothing although if this this as as communicable as it's looking...I expect that one household member will inevitably infect all household members. Frankly, I am not seeing that N-95's are cutting down very effectively on numbers of health care workers getting the bug...at least not foolproof to say the least.
 

1-12020

Senior Member

bw

Fringe Ranger
Frankly, I am not seeing that N-95's are cutting down very effectively on numbers of health care workers getting the bug.

Plain surgical masks give virtually no protection against airborne virus. Even the ones with a N rating won't help much if they aren't vented, because exhalations dampen them quickly. I suspect that's what most of the med staff are wearing. And only when they go to enhanced PPE will they be wearing goggles. So your triage level, your admittance staff, will be way underprotected. I don't have a breakdown on what sort of doctors+PPE are getting sick, all we have is a statement that X staff were infected.
 

mudlogger

Veteran Member
This from a group on fb, American Flu Outbreak/Coronavirus (is it here)

This is a repost from someone I know. Found it interesting, and wanted to share with the group:
Reminder that I cracked what was causing AFM in children. Now I cracked the Covid-19 and the method of action. You're welcome, CDC, you worthless ****s.
Covid-19 was released early October, right before the start of the flu season, for exactly that reason. This may be easier to do it in a list, but bear with me, I just solved this so I'll come back with more details and cite this post. Anyway:
*Covid-19 is an immunosuppressant.
*It binds with the ACE2 receptors
*The less you have, the longer it takes to colonize your body, which means you're an asymptomatic for longer, which explains the lag time seen in Western Countries and the explosion in cases in other Geographic areas.
*Likely was released in Iran and China, not too long apart, Iran being earlier than China.
*Covid-19 slowly builds up and keeps the immune system suppressed. It's highly contagious. R9+ or more. Thailand was able to treat it with anti-HIV drugs, for a reason.
*You're already infected. I am not fear mongering, it's been out since October.
*Asian countries start showing signs first, because ACE2 is highest
*It's not "reinfecting", it's being smashed out by your immune system, then pulls the old "Dengue" effect, it then infects those antibodies and this is what leads to the Cytokine storm.
*Children weren't especially hit by flu, while adults in every area are reporting significantly higher numbers than normal and R1 is more like R-Everyone.
*Children aren't being hit as hard because it's taking longer to suppress their immune systems. Except babies, they are getting smashed this year in ili deaths.
*Again, you're already infected.
*Once you get to critical levels of the virus load (and this is why we see damage in testes, kidneys and lungs because they've been there for quite some time) your body will fight it off, unless you get a secondary viral or bacterial infection.
*Once you produce the antibodies to it, the viral store (just like HIV) reemerge and cause the cytokine storm, which is why they are observing the "reinfection" causing sudden death.
*Elderly have weak immune systems, it's why they fall ill faster. Everyone on that cruise ship is infected, symptoms or not. Testing for fever isn't effective, since it suppresses the fever reaction.
*Asian countries will fall first, following Western Countries, and it would have dragged the Middle East at the same time as Asia but they miscalculated the lag due to ACE2 amounts being more unpredictable than the models.
*Kids will get sick last, die faster.
*It's not inherently deadly, it's the secondary illness danger and cytokine storm once your body realizes it's completely colonized.
*Chloroquine works because it's stopping the growth inside the cells, or killing it once it emerges after replication. Unsure.
*Anti-HIV drugs work because it's keeping the viral load down and not triggering the cytokine storm response. It won't let the immune system be as suppressed, so you can fight it off.
*The longer it runs inside you, the faster and deadlier the cytokine storm will be. Stop the Cytokine Storm and stop the Immunosuppressant action and you stop the death rate.
*You will stay infected after you get better, you need to help keep the viral load down until they finally make DRACO a reality. It's highly likely due to the size of the RNA in Covid-19 that DRACO will prove to be highly effective in eliminating it from your body.
*USE A NETI POT TO CLEAN YOUR SINUSES to keep the viral shed low and it from being constantly put back in your lungs and back in your body. Don't wear a respirator without cleaning your sinus cavity first.
*Again, trying to stay uninfected won't work, you're already infected.
I'll add more, I typed this as fast as I could. Vitamin D has been said to stop a Cytokine Storm. I hope I'm wrong, but looking at what we have seen as far as patterns go, this makes the most sense. It goes exponential once it reaches a certain viral threshold due to geographic genetic similarities in ACE2, it means it's not traveling in pipes like SAR's it's simply that everyone is already infected.
*Don't spend time in a hospital where the infected already are.
*Don't keep in close contact with anyone as it could increase the amount of viral shed you take in and lead to a faster immune response.
*Western countries lag time will be twice that of Asian Countries, it won't take off here until Mid-March.
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
Ok. Thank you for the reply.
The sterility issues are what I thought of first, right behind the mechanics.
We sterilize quite rigidly, but not nearly what I’d imagine is used humans, and yes, the comment about vomit IS a thing I didn’t think of.
I guess, if I had a loved one who needed help bad enough I’d at least entertain the thought of using vet facilities if nothing else was available.
Hmmmm... good food for thought there, and great for a brain storming exercise.

(On a side note?... human bodily juices and secretions gross me out wayyyy more than animal issues any day of the week. Humans are kind of gross, in my estimation. At least animals are honest ...***shrugs***)

That's why we xray for tube placement afterwards (even though we listen first). Beyond getting O2 to the lungs I think intubation might be needed to enable suctioning the thick mucus filling the lungs up. Do your veterinary hospitals have suction equipment?
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Believe it or not, Maxi-pads are made of the same material as N-100 masks. The ones with wings on them. At least that is what an engineer told me. You asked.....

Blizzard, MD, FACEP

Ummm...useless. Those pads all have a fluid impenetrable barrier that would be impossible to breath through. Try it and you'd be breathing around it instead of through it. Again...useless.
 
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