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jward

passin' thru
There is an old machinist in my town who has a barrel machine sitting outside in his yard that has just rusted down after the tarps on it disintegrated from weather. The knowledge in that head and the machine in that yard are priceless. How much of this stuff across the country? How much could be restored? How many smart old people?

There were all sorts of articles last year about the big ag machines being unable to get into the fields. They would have sunk in the mud. Crops couldn't be planted in Spring in some areas or harvested in Fall in others.

I think we will be seeing a return to non-mechanized agriculture, and many other steps back before the plague and the GSM are done with us. For some that would be horrible. For me- not so much. Work don't scare me none. Builds character.

i hope that the many various groups who take preparedness seriously will leverage the hell out of this situation! We need to be real squeeky! More movement to localized food alone could, and would, be literally life saving. Were we to bring manufacturing home to any degree, or suceed in getting folks off the gov. Teet, we'd all be better served. But, look around. Even with a 20% die off, I don't think its likely to phase enough people to leaven the whole.

Folks who look to themselves for solutions, prefer working hard instead of indulging in their favorite substances, while reclining on their overweight \ unfit bottoms n staring at their screens of choice are all but a dead breed. I think that we will totally give way to the helpless infants mewling for govt care, first, but some future generation will rediscover the spark of Americans' exceptionalism, and hopefully nurture a stronger flame than we were willing, or able, to maintain. But yeah. The knowledge is still here, especially in the rural men...they can just do anything, and with nothing, a lot of times!
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic

I saw that too while trying to get a good tweet link. I was editing while you posted. I don't know what to make of it. As a sidenote I am generally against the idea of posting private messages. It gets my goat to have something private be blasted all over the internet. But this is newsworthy and relevant to people making life and death decisions if true so I went against my moral imperative. I truly hope it's a hoax.

I wish there were a way to confirm this! If this were a private conversation between two people, and they were asking each other to keep it between just them, how did it get all over the internet?

Nothing is private on the internet. Did someone really see the actual phone with the text or did they hack a phone? Is the text real? That can be faked too. The last response seems pretty juvenile, which leads me to believe it's fake. But I really don't know. It's up to anyone reading it to make up their own mind and act accordingly. The twitter will probably be gone by the end of the day.

HD
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
When you're planning all these electric widgets, remember that power might get iffy. If we have a storm outage or something, could be the linemen will be spread thin and you'll be out a long time. Just took delivery on a second deep discharge battery to go with my solar panels.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
100% correct. Regardless if this is a worldwide calamity this virus will change the world as we know it. To me, it is the same feeling I had watching the airliners hit the world trade center. You just knew.

My responses got mixed up. I meant to answer this post too.

I agree. As I watched this story unfold, I knew. This is going to change the world as we know it. Even if it doesn't decimate our population the way it is doing in China, it will change our economy, it will change how we do business and how our supply chain works going forward, it's going to change the advent and introduction of AI and all kinds of robotics, it will introduce all kinds of new laws the way 911 did the Patriot Act, and it ultimately might lead to war.

HD
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball


I noticed that they blocked out JUST enough of the last name to still allow a good guess...

I'm betting on a hoax as well. Dr. Nancy Messonnier was the person from CDC on the Briefings that have been happening lately over the coronavirus outbreak. She is the Director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD). I don't see her making the mistake of putting THAT info in print, even if supposedly in private.

Loup
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
Steel Production 2018

MillonMetric Tons

China - 928.3
USA - 96.7

Steel is Important
Yes it is. We are taking it back thanks to Trump... more of the US factories are opening back up.

Just because they have the lead for today doesn't mean that they will keep it..... I
would expect China's steel production right now is just about zero......
 

littlechasingbear

2nd gen. prepper
Some good news for Montanas

Test for coronavirus in Montana comes back negative
Coronavirus

This illustration provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in January 2020 shows the 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). This virus was identified as the cause of an outbreak of respiratory illness first detected in Wuhan, China.
CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION VIA AP



Results for a Gallatin County person who was tested for the novel coronavirus following travel to China have come back negative, according to a press release from the City-County Health Department.
Earlier this week the Gallatin City-County Health Department said a person was being monitored for the virus after traveling to mainland China and then falling ill after returning to Montana. This is the first patient who was under investigation in Montana.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta announced the negative test result Friday.
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The person has been in isolation at Bozeman Health Deaconess Hospital since Monday.
Jim Murphy, the state health department's Communicable Disease Control and Prevention Bureau chief, said Monday the state has been notified by federal health officials of about 15 people with a recent travel history in China and is working with those people to monitor their health. Matt Kelley, the health officer with the Gallatin City-County Health Department, said five of those people are in Gallatin County.

As of Thursday evening, the CDC reported 15 cases of coronavirus have been reported in the United States, mostly associated with travel to China though some cases involve person-to-person contact with people who traveled to China. That's out of 427 people who have been monitored.
More than 1,384 people have died from the virus worldwide, with all but three of those deaths in mainland China, where more than 64,300 have fallen ill with the virus.

Montana has had four deaths from influenza this year, with 4,033 cases reported in the state and 186 hospitalizations. All counties have reported at least one case.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
I noticed that they blocked out JUST enough of the last name to still allow a good guess...

I'm betting on a hoax as well. Dr. Nancy Messonnier was the person from CDC on the Briefings that have been happening lately over the coronavirus outbreak. She is the Director of the Center for the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases (NCIRD). I don't see her making the mistake of putting THAT info in print, even if supposedly in private.

Loup

And the response to her is very juvenile. They wanted people to get Nancy Messonier from the way they blocked her name. It's really easy to fake text messages, it doesn't require any great skill. However, that being said, I do not find it hard to believe there are 1000 cases so far. That part did ring true unfortunately.

HD
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
It would be wonderful if the end result was more production in the USA. But it may be very interesting getting there.

I used to like interesting but now I'm too old and tired. I just want easy. I don't like all this mess. It's more fun to doom when they doom is not real.
I do agree.... but we know the doom is coming at some point. I prefer it to be after I am dead or when I am able to do something about it..... in between is not so great....
 

jward

passin' thru
Actually a very good idea and source of many things.

many serious preppers already have craigslist \garage sale \ bartering networks at least in their nascent stages...
put it on yer list, to find, belong to, or if needed, create one. The doom is real, folks, always has been. We ain't been
hangin' out here just ta watch those unicorns fly outta Dennis's hinnie! :worth:
 

Allotrope

Inactive
I'm in the process of hacking the crap out of an older Respironics REMstar Plus CPAP to work as an emergency ventilator if needed.

Loup

With your skills, it might not be too difficult to make a zeolite molecular oxygen sieve with aquarium zeolite (I think it is zeolite A?) and some PVC for a homemade oxygen concentrator sieve. Low cost supplies.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
With your skills, it might not be too difficult to make a zeolite molecular oxygen sieve with aquarium zeolite (I think it is zeolite A?) and some PVC for a homemade oxygen concentrator sieve. Low cost supplies.

The concentrator route is one option. I'm looking at a different route, of which I have a few playtoys already:


For just under $200, you can buy one, or for around half that you can build a bigger one (higher output than 95 liters per hour). High speed electrolysis, breaking down water into guaranteed safe to breathe oxygen (you can vent the H2 elsewhere or use it as fuel for other things).

Loup
 

Allotrope

Inactive
The concentrator route is one option. I'm looking at a different route, of which I have a few playtoys already:


For just under $200, you can buy one, or for around half that you can build a bigger one (higher output that 95 liters per hour). High speed electrolysis, breaking down water into guaranteed safe to breathe oxygen (you can vent the H2 elsewhere or use it as fuel for other things).

Loup
I have a homemade electrolysis rig but it is power hungry and I used NaOH for the electrolyte so I would have to filter output to remove any traces. I will have to look into higher speed as mine is about 1L/min. Thanks.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
(fair use applies)

Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus
can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack
The Wuhan lab was researching bat viruses with the goal of being able to bypass the immune system, so they could develop a gene therapy.

For good, or for bad: they were trying to craft something your body wouldn't fight.

Arrogance.

Madness.
 

Kathy in WV

Down on the Farm...
Ours was still fully stocked with 50 lbs rice as of yesterday. 3/4 pallet in the slot and two more full pallets in the rack. 25 lbs bags of pinto beans were 1/2 pallet in slot, one full pallet up.

ETA: Only hole I noticed was curcumin suppliments
Our Sam's had holes also in the rice and beans. Some canned foods. I got strange looks for buying all that cheap Vodka but I got 9 people who need their elderberry. Hubby and son both work in the hospital.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks for bringing some science to the table!! Appreciated! Don't forget, we are able to bookmark any post we wish to hold on to by hitting the ribbon icon. This is found at the top right of each post, on the horizontal bar. Additionally marsh has started a thread to house the important links and information. Hope this helps.

If someone could direct me on how to find the posts I've book marked, I'd appreciate it.

Must be so simple I'm just overlooking it.


I will tell you what I think true panic is. In 1960, when I was like 6 years old, my Dad took.me to see a Jimmy Stewart movie called "The Mountain Road." It had a scene where one of the USArmy soldiers tried to feed some starving Chinese peasants and the peasants rioted and killed him. I NEVER FORGOT THAT MOVIE SCENE


Formative experience, eh?
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
(fair use applies)

Exclusive: Chinese doctors say Wuhan coronavirus reinfection even deadlier
Instead of creating immunity the virus can reportedly reinfect an individual and hasten fatal heart attack

By Jules Quartly, Taiwan News, Contributing Writer
2020/02/14 15:02

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) — It’s possible to get infected by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) a second time, according to doctors on the frontline in China’s city of Wuhan, leading to death from heart failure in some cases.

The claim is made by doctors working in the Hubei Province capital that is at the center of the epidemic, which has to date infected 64,201 people and killed 1,487. One of the doctors reached out to a relative living in the United Kingdom, who then informed Taiwan News.

Both the relative and doctors asked to remain anonymous, out of consideration they might face retribution from the Chinese authorities. The doctor, Li Wenliang (???), who first raised warnings about the Wuhan virus, was rebuked by the authorities before succumbing to the devastating disease himself earlier this month.

According to the message forwarded to Taiwan News, “It’s highly possible to get infected a second time. A few people recovered from the first time by their own immune system, but the meds they use are damaging their heart tissue, and when they get it the second time, the antibody doesn’t help but makes it worse, and they die a sudden death from heart failure.”

The source also said the virus has “outsmarted all of us,” as it can hide symptoms for up to 24 days.
This assertion has been made independently elsewhere, with Chinese pulmonologist Zhong Nanshan (???) saying the average incubation period is three days, but it can take as little as one day and up to 24 days to develop symptoms.

Also, the source said that false negative tests for the virus are fairly common. “It can fool the test kit – there were cases that they found, the CT scan shows both lungs are fully infected but the test came back negative four times. The fifth test came back positive.”

According to the BBC and other media outlets, some laboratory tests are incorrectly telling people they are virus-free. There is also anecdotal evidence of people having up to six negative results before being diagnosed correctly.

Dr. Li Wenliang first raised concerns about this. His own test results had come back negative multiple times before he was finally diagnosed.

False negative tests raise question marks over how many people have the Wuhan coronavirus, with many believing the Chinese authorities have massively underreported the number of cases and deaths. Meanwhile, the official methodology for diagnosing the virus in China was changed this week, leading to a sudden leap in the number of recorded cases and deaths.
Can I just skip to the second part first and just die of the heart attack instead of having the misery of the flu first if I'm going to die anyway? :D
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Our Sam's had holes also in the rice and beans. Some canned foods. I got strange looks for buying all that cheap Vodka but I got 9 people who need their elderberry. Hubby and son both work in the hospital.

Heh.....they think your a lush. Even when you told them it's for medicinal purposes! It's all medicine.......
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Ha! Simplest terms...Your lungs quit providing enough oxygen to the blood. Your organs don't get enough oxygen to survive so they start to die--your kidneys included. With intervention we can improve that somewhat. The damage to the kidneys is however done. They can repair themselves to a limited degree but it takes time and in the interim it may take dialysis to keep you kicking. It ain't good when your kidneys shut down.

I had a little scare about that, today.

6 months ago I went for a routine check-up and to get lab results. I don't know what the test was called but healthy kidneys were supposed to have a score of 60 or over. Mine came back 58. Doc said he didn't want to jump to conclusions and ordered another round of test 3 months ago. The score came back a 53. He said I was in Stage 1 kidney disease... I've had blood pressure issues my whole life and he said that may be affecting my kidney. So, he set me up to go see a nephrologist ( sp? ) and ran one more set of tests.

My appointment with the specialist was on March 3rd... Went back in, today, to see the doc and he says all my numbers were "excellent" and the kidney test came back in well over 60, again. He thinks I may have just been severely dehydrated...

Whew... Talk about a load off the shoulders...
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
I am running three shot, plus some slugs, and some target rounds and some upland game rounds

I run a mix of 00 and slugs in my 590a1. So that I can tell where I am in the stack I have painted the shell casings different colors for the different loads with 00 being painted blue and slugs being painted red. That way if I am interested in knowing whats what I can either pull the slide back a bit to look or I can look to see what color shell casing is laying on the ground. I always load the same and the first round fired for me will always be 00.

I do something similar for the ar's with a dab of paint on the mag floor plate ends telling me if its loaded with either 55 grain or 62g rounds.

Give it some thought to come up with a system which works for you as with the shotgun sometimes you might want to know and control what the next round shot will be.

tbd
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
i hope that the many various groups who take preparedness seriously will leverage the hell out of this situation! We need to be real squeeky! More movement to localized food alone could, and would, be literally life saving. Were we to bring manufacturing home to any degree, or suceed in getting folks off the gov. Teet, we'd all be better served. But, look around. Even with a 20% die off, I don't think its likely to phase enough people to leaven the whole.

Folks who look to themselves for solutions, prefer working hard instead of indulging in their favorite substances, while reclining on their overweight \ unfit bottoms n staring at their screens of choice are all but a dead breed. I think that we will totally give way to the helpless infants mewling for govt care, first, but some future generation will rediscover the spark of Americans' exceptionalism, and hopefully nurture a stronger flame than we were willing, or able, to maintain. But yeah. The knowledge is still here, especially in the rural men...they can just do anything, and with nothing, a lot of times!

She's been gone a long time now, but the most enduring memory of my SIL is the hood up on the old 350cc Chevy and my tiny little SIL all the way up in the engine compartment turning wrenches putting a new starter in the beast. And when she wnated to dress up and be frilly- she just shone.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I would add that every family member should have their own medical tote in the closet or wherever, with, as you pointed out two thermometers, min. So many devices and meds are so affordable, that it was just easier and safer to replicate items for the ind.s sickroom kits.

And the thermometers are made - guess where?

We got a new one for each family member over a week ago.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I recall posting something re: them. Lack of cases most likely corrolates to only two, or three, of the countries being able to run the testing...tis upthread somewhere, iffin ya feel like rowing up to find it.

I think it will detonate in Africa and most cases will remain unidentified. Same for India.
 

Scotto

Set Apart
I had a little scare about that, today.

6 months ago I went for a routine check-up and to get lab results. I don't know what the test was called but healthy kidneys were supposed to have a score of 60 or over. Mine came back 58. Doc said he didn't want to jump to conclusions and ordered another round of test 3 months ago. The score came back a 53. He said I was in Stage 1 kidney disease... I've had blood pressure issues my whole life and he said that may be affecting my kidney. So, he set me up to go see a nephrologist ( sp? ) and ran one more set of tests.

My appointment with the specialist was on March 3rd... Went back in, today, to see the doc and he says all my numbers were "excellent" and the kidney test came back in well over 60, again. He thinks I may have just been severely dehydrated...

Whew... Talk about a load off the shoulders...

Great news brother, glad to hear it.
 
Thank you for the multiple mentions.....

I am of the same point of view as DD. Be ready, prepare, review and watch everyone else outside of your group.

By the way.... DD..... you never mentioned the type of shot you are using.... for us #4 works very well for the wife who if 5 foot flat and has small hands.....not too hard and very destructive.

I will have to post a picture of her setup.

4 bird or 4 buck?
Bit of difference.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Here is the biggest problem overall with containing it once it is "in the wild".

We can't test for it. Only the CDC and some of the states have the ability to do that. It is a 24 hr. turnaround at the minimum--and as suspected cases increase that will also increase. Testing submission is going to be limited to only those cases that have a compelling history and are inching closer to ARDS before they are even tested.

Practically that means that the mild cases are going to come in, hack in the ER for 2-6 hours because they are not of a high enough acuity to be seen immediately, then either go home in frustration or track it back into the treatment rooms. Medical staff are not wearing masks--they were all mandated to get a flu shot so they wouldn't have to wear a mask--so they too are now infected. We will run a flu screen on them and it will come back negative. A few of the larger hospitals will have the ability to run a respiratory PCR panel on them, but those too will come back negative. That will be it: they will be given a breathing treatment or 2, discharged with a nebulizer and some albuterol (or a puffer) and told to come back if it gets worse. Multiply that scenario a hundred fold a day for a smaller ER and you begin to see the problem with contamination, triage, treatment, and isolation.

We dont' have good information or a way to rapidly screen patients for Covid-19. Until then, its just another respiratory bug that we don't identify, that we treat empirically, and that we send home assuming that they will get better.

Off topic but back in the day I swear I caught SARS... I was working at a place that saw 10 million tourist come through every year ( I caught some really bad funk EVERY YEAR until I left... ). Thought I had bronchitis for about a week, then for 3 days I felt fine. On the fourth day it was like a Mac truck hit me. Body aches, chills so bad I'd be shivering ( which only made the body aches worse ) and I was coughing so violently I pulled a muscle in my back AND in my stomach... And, still couldn't stop coughing which was sheer agony with 2 pulled muscles...

Went to an urgent care and my lungs were about 1/3 opaque...

Doc gave me Cipro, Flexerall, and some little white pill that had an "M" inside of a square outline for cough... I don't know what it was but it sure acted like morphine. Cough stopped almost immediately after taking it, flexerall relaxed the muscles and the Cipro knocked out whatever it was I had in about 3 days and ... damn... I felt gooooooood.

Point is... If I catch this Kung Flu, I hope I can find that doctor, again.

:D
 
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