USA 93-year-old Man freezes to death after city limits electricity

NC Susan

Deceased
There is a major flaw in the system when the richest country in the world, in its greed for more money, allows the weakest and the least able to freeze to death in the winter in a snow storm.


What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul over a one month overdue electric bill?
cold cash murder
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
Had the agent of this old fellow's demise, bothered to contact the fellow,
yanno, maybe knocked on the door, or SOMETHING,
prior to rigging his home for the kill...

the poor old guy HAD THE MONEY IN HIS HOME, CLIPPED TO THE FREAKIN' BILL.

Now, I am wondering, what TPTB are gonna do with this dead useless-eater's $600K savings.
 

Kronos

Veteran Member
He committed the act of failing to pay his bill.

The consequence is he lost his power.
Everybody knows that is what happens when you do not pay your bill.

Nobody is at fault.

The old guy sounds like he wasn't able to keep it together anymore - not his fault - that's just life.

The power company provides a service to people who pay for it.

They can't possibly know the reasons why people don't pay
- they send letters, they post notices, they installs cut-offs
and when they get no response, they stop providing the service.

It is reasonable, even when the result is tragic.

Yep. Tha buck beats all.

Sorry (not) you got dead, but yanno, you were overdue.

How could anyone have forseen, that no power in the dread of winter might have kilt ya?

SRSLY

:P
 

Warandra

Membership Revoked
There is a major flaw in the system when the richest country in the world, in its greed for more money, allows the weakest and the least able to freeze to death in the winter in a snow storm.


What does it profit a man to gain the world and loose his soul over a one month overdue electric bill?
cold cash murder

You and I totally agree on this one.
 

Grim

Inactive
I thought this thread was over. I hope those posting have taken the time to read all the post, before they repeat over and over he was murdered by the electric company. The electric company has worked the same way since Edison built the first plant in New York. The only difference is throughout all the years nobody blamed the electric company till now. If anything customers have more rights and the electric companies are less able to cut people off.

The biggest difference between now and the old days is the people in the community. Years ago the neighbors would have been checking up on the old guy. Years ago there would have been a church right in the neighborhood and they would have helped out an old guy living alone. Years ago a neighborhood cop would know about the guy and checked up on him.

The difference between now and years ago is the people. It is easier to blame the electric company then to look in the mirror. Where the heck do you posters live, and is it cold out tonight? You expect a company to help someone but what did you do today. Have you been to the locale shelter, are they full? Will someone freeze tonight, I bet they will. It may be another veteran or a handicapped person. On your way home did you see someone pushing a cart, or do you just avoid that part of town. Where do you think that person is sleeping? There are plenty of people right in your hometown that will die a terrible death. Why don’t you help all of them? Maybe because it is impossible. Why don’t you call Bay City Electric Light & Power and pay every overdue bill, then no one will be turned off, because that is also imposable. And yet someone must pay the cost for every watt of electric generated.

You really think some evil dude from the company shut this guy off then laughed all the way home. Truth is (due to his job) he has seen more heartbreak, up close and personal then you have. He may have done more then you will ever know to help the people he interacts with. Just as you cannot be responsible for everyone in your community, neither can the electric company, I don’t care if it is government run or not. That is especially true if you don’t know what the problem is (the guy had the money just didn’t pay). It takes big nuts to accuse someone of murder in this case. Make sure your hands are clean before you accuse someone else of murdering a guy that somehow fell through the cracks.
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
I live here in Michigan, same state this man was from and my winter heat bills run around 500.00 per month. So that very well may be a two month bill.

Don't you guys know about woodstoves up there, or insulation. :lkick:

Hell I have 4 person household with 2 pre-teen boys and 3' of snow around it sub-zero temps and that $500 would cover 3+ cords of wood easy.

Still no excuss for the man to forgo his obligation to pay those he was in the rears to. Failure to pay is the same a stealing IMO. We scream here about welfare, bailouts and special rules for "special" groups, but yet we're supposed to be shocked that a guy who didn't fullfill his end of a bargin died when he broke trust. Why the disconnect? Cause he's old? A vet? Those aren't factors here. He failed to pay for service, so service was discontinued. Simple.
 

mbo

Membership Revoked
The phone still worked.

This man could have just as easily have died from forgetting his prescriptions, or not eating, or dehydration, or a slip and fall, or any of a number of things, than from circuit breaker tripping (since he was still receiving electricity, just at a reduced amperage).

But now, the utility will just jack up their rates to cover the costs of carrying even more months of unpaid customers (they are a highly regulated entity in Michigan and their costs are passed on, not "eaten" by some invisible guy behind a curtain). And the rest of the consumers, who are already struggling, will struggle even more mightily with all their bills.


But hey, it will all prevent a "murder" for sure!!! And it will once more certainly relieve the need for neighbors to check on each other, since we all are paying extra for the service of not having to worry about it.


:kk2:
 

Loon

Inactive
Bay City man's tragic death sparks offer of help to all
by Dave Vizard | The Bay City Times
Friday January 30, 2009, 9:34 AM
I took a call on Tuesday from a woman who was clearly distraught.

"We are just so shocked and saddened by the death of Mr. Schur," said Susan L. Moscareillo, executive director of Share a Smile in Troy. "We would have helped him. We would have paid his heating bills with no problem. His death is such a terrible shame. We failed him as a society. We want everyone in Northern Michigan to know that help is available."

By now, we're all familiar with the tragic story of Marvin E. Schur, the 93-year-old Bay City man who froze to death in his home after his place lost heat when the city limited his use of power because he hadn't paid an electrical bill.

A pathologist who performed an autopsy on the Bay Cityan described his passing in The Times this way: He suffered "a slow, painful death. Hypothermia shuts the whole system down, slowly. It's not easy to die from hypothermia without first realizing your fingers and toes feel like they're burning."

When I first read our story about Mr. Schur on Monday, I was stunned. In my 23 years at this newspaper, I don't recall such an incredibly sad story. Bay City is such a caring, friendly community.

How does an elderly gentleman freeze to death in his own home in this town? This is not Siberia. This is not the Yukon, or the Arctic Circle or outer Mongolia. Bay City has suffered another black mark on its reputation.

Here's a crazy idea: Never use the power-limiting device again - just throw them away, and why not send a human being from the utility to the homes of those who fall behind on their power bills during the winter? We're talking about less than 100 visits.

But blame in this case can be spread around to all. The head honcho of Share a Smile got it right. We failed him as a society. Clearly, relying on a governmental unit is a mistake.

So, the best thing we can do now is learn from what happened to Mr. Schur. Watching out for each other is the surest way to see that this tragedy does not happen again.

These are clearly hard times all across Michigan, but help is available for people who face dire circumstances. A story that appeared in Wednesday's paper detailed how folks can get help.

And Share a Smile, which was founded a decade ago to help everyday people enduring financial hardship due to illness, temporary unemployment or natural disaster, will also come to the rescue.

"Most people in financial trouble for the first time have absolutely no idea where to turn," said Moscareillo.

"We work hard every single day to help those people. We have helped over 16,000 individuals and families throughout Michigan in the last 10 years by paying their overdue utilities, rent, water, car insurance, health insurance, and for their prescription medications and medical supplies.

"Last year we gave direct assistance to over 4,000 people in Michigan and we have the capacity to do more this year, but we need help getting the word out to those people who might need our help."

Share a Smile is focused on helping families, seniors, people with disabilities, children with special needs, women trying to leave abusive relationships and those who are suffering and have lost hope.

"We have more than 500 members and we spend thousands of hours every year raising money to help people who are in trouble," she said. "Tell your readers that they can find us on the Web at www.shareasmile.org or by calling (248) 312-5345. No one should have to go through what Mr. Schur did."

Consider the word passed.

http://www.mlive.com/opinion/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/01/bay_city_mans_tragic_death_spa.html
 

Loon

Inactive
updated 10:51 p.m. EST, Thu January 29, 2009


Michigan senior's freezing death preventable, relative saysStory Highlights
Marvin Schur, 93, was found dead in his Bay City, Michigan, home on January 17

Power had been shut off for four days; utility says he owed at least $700

Relative: Schur had plenty of money; someone should have contacted him

Neighbor: "This can't be allowed to happen in this country"

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From Susan Candiotti
CNN

(CNN) -- A relative of a 93-year-old Michigan man who froze to death in his home says the incident could have been prevented if someone had used common sense.


The temperature in Marvin Schur's home was 32 degrees when his body was found, a medical examiner said.

Marvin Schur's neighbors found the World War II veteran's frozen body in his Bay City bedroom on January 17, four days after a device that regulates how much power he uses -- installed because of failure to pay -- shut off his power. A medical examiner said the temperature was 32 degrees in his house when Schur's body was found.

Utility officials said Schur owed at least $700, but Schur's nephew, William Wallworth, said his uncle told him he was worth at least a half-million dollars, and authorities say Schur had cash clipped to his utility bills on his kitchen table.

Wallworth said someone should have looked at Schur's payment history and made direct contact to see whether something was wrong.

"This wasn't about someone who didn't have the money to pay his bills," Wallworth said of his uncle, a widower known to his nieces and nephews as "Uncle Mutts."

Schur had been living alone since his wife died more than a year ago, Wallworth said. Wallworth said his uncle made machine patterns, retired in his 50s, and lived frugally. He loved to take his wife to Florida every winter in their travel trailer, Wallworth said.

Wallworth says his uncle was someone who always paid his bills, but in the last year, things started changing. Wallworth, who lives in Ormond Beach, Florida, said he had trouble reaching his uncle since last year and says his uncle had trouble hearing him on the phone.

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He last talked with Schur more than a year ago.

Local and state officials agree that Schur's death was avoidable. It's prompted a review of Bay City Electric Light & Power's rules and procedures for limiting or cutting off power.

"The attorney general is reviewing guidelines used by Bay City to run its utility company," John Selek, a spokesman for Michigan's attorney general Mike Cox, told CNN.

Unlike private utilities regulated by the state, Bay City runs and oversees its own utilities and therefore doesn't fall under Michigan's public service commission. By law, Michigan requires private companies to prohibit cutting off service to senior citizens between November and April. Seniors must register for the program.

It appears no one from the utility company had personal contact with Schur, in phone or in person. Selek says Schur's case is being reviewed and depending on the results, his death could prompt state laws to also require oversight of city-run utilities.

The city has begun questioning whether its rules and procedures for limiting or cutting off power need a major overhaul. The utility has stopped its practice of cutting power to customers who don't pay their bills, the utility's acting director, Philip Newton, told CNN. Recently, that had been happening as often as 200 times a week.

The utility also has removed all "limiters"-- devices that cut power as a warning for people who've been ignoring their bills. Limiters can be reset to restore a lesser degree of power until a bill payment is worked out. In Schur's case, the limiter was never reset, and it's unclear whether he knew how to do that.

Bay City's Manager Robert Belleman admits seniors who may be confused or in no condition to venture outside to reset a limiter in freezing temperatures need extra supervision.

"We need to make sure that we understand who our customers are. Right now, we don't have any information about the age, health or condition of our customers," Belleman said.

At Bay City's request, the Michigan State Police are investigating Schur's death for possible criminal violations.

"We have to do everything we can to make sure this doesn't happen again, whether it's Bay City or in any one of the cold weather states," Bay City Mayor Charles Brunner told CNN.


A neighbor who lives down the street says Schur's death is "unforgivable." Watch neighbor say man's death is "unforgivable" »

"This can't be allowed to happen in this country," said Jerome Anderson.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/29/michigan.freezing.death/
 

Green Co.

Administrator
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WWII vet frozen to death leaves estate to hospital

(CNN) -- A 93-year-old World War II medic who froze to death last month in his Bay City, Michigan, home left his entire estate to a local hospital, an estate attorney told CNN Wednesday.

The attorney would not disclose the exact amount left behind by Martin Schur. But his nephew said his uncle indicated to family members two years ago that he had saved up more than a half-million dollars over the years. Schur and his wife, Marian, who died more than a year ago, did not have any children.

"I just know at one time he said he had over $600,000 in savings," said William Walworth. "That's what he told me and my brother, and he was proud that he was able to save and build his estate up to that."

Cathy Reder, an attorney negotiating on behalf of Bay Regional Medical Center and the Schur family, said she was filing paperwork in probate court Wednesday for the court to determine the validity of the will. A hearing has been set for March 17.

Reder would not specify the amount left to the hospital, other than to say it's more than $1.

"The will leaves everything to Bay Medical Center," she said.

The hospital had no immediate comment.

Walworth said his uncle was a frugal man who hadn't eaten at a restaurant for over 30 years. "He was very tight, and he was very frugal. But he did manage to save a lot of money."

He said it's possible his uncle's estate could be less than $600,000, but he believes it's still "sizable."

"Knowing my uncle, that's him," Walworth said. "He loved his community. He loved Bay City, Michigan."

He added, "Hopefully his death is not in vain and we can learn from this, and he's still able to save lives. ... He was a very unique, special person in my life. I'm proud of what he was able to do in his life."

He said he hopes his uncle's message will spur others to "look out for their neighbor."

The size of the estate -- if it's as large as the nephew believes -- adds another tragic twist to Schur's death. The power company limited his electricity because he owed about $1,000. Watch neighbor say the death is "unforgivable" »

Schur's death last month shocked Bay City, a town of about 37,000 on Lake Huron's Saginaw Bay.

The World War II veteran's frozen body was found in his home January 17, just four days after a device that regulates how much power he uses -- installed because of failure to pay -- shut off his power. A medical examiner said the temperature was 32 degrees in the house when Schur's body was found.

The medical examiner told The Bay City Times that Schur died a "slow, painful death." "It's not easy to die from hypothermia without first realizing your fingers and toes feel like they're burning," Dr. Kanu Virani told the paper.

The Michigan State Police launched an investigation into Schur's death for possible criminal violations. "We have to do everything we can to make sure this doesn't happen again, whether it's Bay City or in any one of the cold weather states," Bay City Mayor Charles Brunner said last week.

The death has prompted a review of Bay City Electric Light & Power's rules and procedures for limiting or cutting off power. It also resulted in Bay City residents protesting Monday to the city about its handling of the whole situation.

A neighbor who lives down the street called Schur's death "unforgivable."

"This can't be allowed to happen in this country," said Jerome Anderson.

Walworth said he believes his uncle's death was "preventable."

"It should never have happened. It's a tragic loss," he said. "I had a lot of fond memories of my uncle, and that's the type of memory I don't want to have: Him freezing to death."

Utility officials said Schur owed about $1,000 resulting in a "limiter" being put on his home. Limiters are devices that cut power as a warning for people who haven't paid their bills. Limiters can be reset to restore a lesser degree of power until a bill payment is worked out. In Schur's case, the limiter was never reset, and it's unclear whether he knew how to do that.

Schur had been living alone since his wife died, Walworth said.

Unlike private utilities regulated by the state, Bay City runs and oversees its own utilities and therefore doesn't fall under Michigan's public service commission. By law, Michigan requires private companies to prohibit cutting off service to senior citizens between November and April. Seniors must register for the program.

The city has begun questioning whether its rules and procedures for limiting or cutting off power need a major overhaul. The utility has stopped its practice of cutting power to customers who don't pay their bills.

The utility also has removed all "limiters" on homes.

Walworth said someone should have looked at Schur's payment history and made direct contact to see whether something was wrong. He's hoping the nation will learn from his uncle's death.

"Hopefully, some good can come out of this. I'm still an optimist."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/02/04/freezing.death.folo/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Howdy, Folks!

As ways to check out go, freezing isn't the worst. To be allowed to die in my own home at the age of 93 would be a blessing.

I seriously doubt it's gonna happen for me.

I'm not making light of this poor fellow's situation. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

We all die. Some sooner than others. Some in worse ways than others.

I've seen all kinds of death(and if I live long enough, will prolly see even more and more). Some of it was tragic for all involved, Some of it was a kindness.

Just gotta keep it in perspective...
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Howdy, Folks!

As ways to check out go, freezing isn't the worst. To be allowed to die in my own home at the age of 93 would be a blessing.

I seriously doubt it's gonna happen for me.

I'm not making light of this poor fellow's situation. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

We all die. Some sooner than others. Some in worse ways than others.

I've seen all kinds of death(and if I live long enough, will prolly see even more and more). Some of it was tragic for all involved, Some of it was a kindness.

Just gotta keep it in perspective...

Poor as in poor fellow, he froze to dead with plenty of money to pay his bill, poor judgement, etc. but certainly not poor in the financial sense if he could leave $500,000 to his community hospital!

FJ
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Poor as in poor fellow, he froze to dead with plenty of money to pay his bill, poor judgement, etc. but certainly not poor in the financial sense if he could leave $500,000 to his community hospital!

FJ

Not until he pays the electric company!

Southside
 

TBonz

Veteran Member
So he had the money to pay, but didn't. Wonder if he had developed Alzheimers?

What a shame. Still, 93 is a good run.
 

Grim

Inactive
In other news:
Mexican undocumented workers are pushing for a new national holiday. Marvin E. Schur Day on 1/17/09 will celebrate the death of Mr. Schur. His death, and the resulting political fallout now makes it possible for all illegals and welfare cheats to get free utilities.

The Mexican spokesman through an interpreter explained. The utility companies across the US are now a lot more hesitant to shut off someone utilities; we can run up a much larger bill now. When they finally do get around to shutting us off, we just find some old alcoholic and sit him on the porch, let him act confused, and make a bunch of promises to pay the bill. Then we pay about 20 or 30 bucks a month for 3 months. The shutoff process is reset and we quit paying again. Of course by this time it is cold out and we are guaranteed utilities. Then every year on Marvin Schur Day we throw away our old ID and reapply for utilities with a new name.

When contacted Jessie Jackson said he was overjoyed by the death of Mr. Schur “I only wish he was black” Jackson said. For years we have struggled for free housing, free medical care, free child care, and free food. Getting free utilities has been a struggle. In the past black Americans were forced to use part of their welfare money to pay this bill. Thanks to the new PC attitude we expect more and more blacks will enjoy a warm home without the burden of actually paying the bill. They wont dare turn us off now he said.


Ayn Rand, author of the book “Atlas Shrugged” noted that the utilities involved won’t really lose any money from this as they can just pass the cost along, and the new holiday is simply an example of “unintended consequences”.

A spokesman from the group ACORN said the group has been hoping for a tragedy like this and was awarded five billion dollars to oversee the utility companies. A lot of new laws and regulations will be needed they said. But still ACORN believes that utility companies can last several years before they are completely bankrupt. At that time a trillion dollar bailout or socialization may be required. ACORN noted the complete collapse of an industry is unfortunate but if the life of one man is saved it will be worth the bankruptcy of a nation.
 

rcstew

Veteran Member
Update:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090424/ap_on_re_us/us_frozen_indoors

No charges in freezing death of Mich. man in house

LANSING, Mich. – No criminal charges will be filed in the death of a 93-year-old man who froze inside his home after an electric utility installed a power-limiting device because of unpaid bills, a prosecutor said Thursday.

Bay County Prosecutor Kurt Asbury, citing the results of a Michigan State Police investigation and a final autopsy report, called Marvin Schur's death a "terrible tragedy" but said no crimes were committed.

Neighbors discovered Schur's body on Jan. 17 in his house in Bay City, about 90 miles northwest of Detroit. The windows were frosted over, icicles hung from a faucet and the World War II veteran lay dead on the bedroom floor in a winter jacket over four layers of clothing.

The autopsy showed Schur, who lived alone, died of hypothermia, with heart disease as a contributing factor. Alzheimer's disease also was noted in the findings.
Workers with Bay City Electric Light & Power, a city-owned utility, had installed a device that restricts power on Schur's electric meter less than a week earlier. The "limiter" blows like a fuse if usage rises past a set level and electricity is not restored until the device is flipped back on by the homeowner, who must walk outside to the meter.

Asbury said it appeared the device tripped and cut off power to the home, parts of which were being heated by electric space heaters, the oven, a heating pad and a lantern. He said Schur's home furnace apparently had not been working since October 2008.

Asbury cited inconsistencies about the policies and practices of the Bay City utility regarding the installation of limiter devices but found no evidence of gross negligence.

The utility had no comment on the prosecutor's decision not to file charges.

Michigan's state-regulated utilities are not allowed to shut off power to senior citizens in the winter, but the state's 41 smaller municipal utilities, including Bay City, are not overseen by the state.

Schur's death led the state House to pass a plan banning the use of limiters for elderly customers. The plan is under consideration in the Senate.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Schur's death led the state House to pass a plan banning the use of limiters for elderly customers. The plan is under consideration in the Senate.

Why don't we just let the legislature run the electric companies? They're pretty much doing that now in the case of the airlines, banking, automobile, and insurance companies.

I jest but this is simply a case of a faceless bureaucracy (utility) who knew nothing - or cared - about a customer. Heck, in our neck of the woods we've had "smart" meters for a few years now. It's not even necessary for a meter reader to come out to the house anymore. The house could burn down and providing the meter is untouched, everything will continue as it did before. Every customer is simply a number on a data report sheet which is examined and reported as "paid" or "unpaid."

One of the downsides of our "technical" age is that the human element is eliminated - eliminated because it is "too costly.

Joe
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Utilities USED to be regulated. Some were in fact owned by the various governments. That was because utilities were considered too important to "outsource" to blood-sucking private corporations (some based in foreign countries). IMO, *ALL* energy should be owned and/or controlled by the various governments. Yeah, I know how it sounds, but it was that way before, and it WORKED.



JMHO
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
And Dennis, that's KIND OF the way it still is.

Today we've just separated the "transmission side" of the business from the "generation" side. This was done in the mid 90s under the misnomer "deregulation." Actually only an excuse to get a "caught between a rock (energy costs) and a hard place (environment)" utility off the hook, it was sold to the legislature and the PUCs as "free enterprise will lower costs."

Deregulation never really did. Increased fuel and environmental costs have outpaced inflation many times over for the generation side of your electrical bill. We're now up to nearly 17 cents a kwhr here in Cow Hampshire.

The transmission side of the utility is much as it has been - only more so. A staid, conservative, 11 percent average rate of return sort of business like any bank or insurance company. Certainly rates are regulated - providing you stay "within their system". But leave the system to one of the "free energy market" that was promised - and you'll find the electricity cards stacked against you.

In Cow Hampshire and most places, free choice of electric supply (generation) is a miserable failure.

In the wires companies, like a bank or insurance company EVERYTHING is controlled. And since it is controlled, the business majors in charge of it all have managed to tweak all the "fat" out of your electric bill - sort of. Smart meters are one technique. Outsourcing trouble calls is another. But like I say, these both have removed the "humanity" from the business.

Recently I painted my house. Inadvertently I dropped the aluminum ladder and it came crashing down and busted the glass meter case. Meter no longer registered. (not moving inside.) Being the nice customer I am, I called the utility and reported the damage. Within 10 minutes of the call-in, a truck was alongside my house and a new meter in place. Of course you understand why - the wires company can't charge for electricity used without a meter to measure it.

And at the end of the meter period, an additional charge of $72.80 was added to my bill for the replacement meter.

The wires companies simply have no financial tolerence for inadvertencies - such as ice storms or accidents. Which is why Unitil (our local wires company) is currently under investigation by the PUC for malfeasance during the December 08 ice storm here in Cow Hampshire.

I think it would be neat if they got their heads handed to them. But whether they do or not, increased reliabilty is probably going to raise the cost of service.

But maybe that's what it takes - and maybe we'll ultimately be better off because of it.

Joe
 

Jumpy Frog

Browncoat sympathizer
Glad to see no one else will have to pay for this mans actions..........or lack there of.

Hope the hospital will be kind enough to pay off this mans debts from his estate. In a way, the reason that hospital is getting so much cash is because this man was ripping people off.
 
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