so that they can relay real time information to the houthisSal Mercogliano (WGOW Shipping)
@mercoglianos
Iran may have a frigate in the Red Sea, along with a base ship.
INTL Yemen’s Houthi rebel leader Abdel Malek al-Houthi declare US Navy ships as targets. They have effectively declared war.
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Merde......Casus Belli or "Black Swan" for the election.......of course how do they explain sending them billions of dollars?
jward
passin' thru
OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
Operation Prosperity Guardian in the Red Sea has practically Collapsed as France, Spain, and Italy have all announced their Withdrawal from the U.S. Command Structure for the Operation, with the Three Nations stating they will only conduct further Maritime Operations under the Command of NATO and/or the European Union and not the United States.
@sentdefender
Operation Prosperity Guardian in the Red Sea has practically Collapsed as France, Spain, and Italy have all announced their Withdrawal from the U.S. Command Structure for the Operation, with the Three Nations stating they will only conduct further Maritime Operations under the Command of NATO and/or the European Union and not the United States.
LightEcho
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Z: What about me? You promised to help me to the end. I need more money and weapons and F16s and a yacht for my Florida dock. Now you are spending all your money in the Red Sea and taking away our satellite intel. What's next? Will Elon shut off our sat comms?
FJB: Cheer up little buddy. It is the end... for Ukraine. We got what we wanted and now it is your turn. By the way, Hunter did not get a 10 per cent last month. We are going to need to hold off on those Abrams tanks and ATACMs missiles until the paper work gets straightened out.
Read the entire tweet,
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View: https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1738281860516442342
BREAKING: US Navy does not have enough warships to start Operation Prosperity Guardian against the Houthis This is according to the maritime journalist John Konrad. He said that the US has built 24 littoral combat ships to be used for combat in coastal areas, but the US has refused to deploy them. The US is confused and doesn't know how to stop the Houthis. France has already withdrawn from the group that was supposed to protect Israeli ships from the Houthis. The Houthis continue to maintain a blockade. If the US dares to attack the Houthis, they can retaliate immediately because they have torpedoes, drones, missiles. Suddenly the war will flare up and the Red Sea will be completely closed to all ships. It will be a huge blow to the economy in Europe.
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View: https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1738281860516442342
BREAKING: US Navy does not have enough warships to start Operation Prosperity Guardian against the Houthis This is according to the maritime journalist John Konrad. He said that the US has built 24 littoral combat ships to be used for combat in coastal areas, but the US has refused to deploy them. The US is confused and doesn't know how to stop the Houthis. France has already withdrawn from the group that was supposed to protect Israeli ships from the Houthis. The Houthis continue to maintain a blockade. If the US dares to attack the Houthis, they can retaliate immediately because they have torpedoes, drones, missiles. Suddenly the war will flare up and the Red Sea will be completely closed to all ships. It will be a huge blow to the economy in Europe.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, they're all back to writing strongly worded letters to Yemen and Iran?
I'm not sure where this occurred but it will be a bad idea dragging India into the conflict.
View: https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1738599376279294176
View: https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1738599376279294176
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
None of this is surprising .
We fought literal cave people and sheep herders for 20 years and lost, then made them one of the best armed military in the world. Keep in mind they were not a class A or B Military ( Iran is probably a class B ) and they kicked our behinds out and left us in a panic.
I do not think we are up to a war with Iran or even Houthis...hell we could not beat the Salvation Army unless we nuke them from orbit.
Those pushing to go all in on Iran need to consider what leads our military. They also need to remember our main enemy is right here at home, they are the reason why we are having these issues....and they want us dead too.
We fought literal cave people and sheep herders for 20 years and lost, then made them one of the best armed military in the world. Keep in mind they were not a class A or B Military ( Iran is probably a class B ) and they kicked our behinds out and left us in a panic.
I do not think we are up to a war with Iran or even Houthis...hell we could not beat the Salvation Army unless we nuke them from orbit.
Those pushing to go all in on Iran need to consider what leads our military. They also need to remember our main enemy is right here at home, they are the reason why we are having these issues....and they want us dead too.
greysage
On The Level
We've got toilet-to-faucet drinking water in Cali. Illegal immigrants in a sanctuary (NY) state begging house to house in suburbs. Electric car fires that local fire departments can't extinguish, but we are expected to buy them. The signs are everywhere. We are barely functioning.
if they sleep with the fishes it will likely be Israel that put them therenot if they sleeps with the fishes
biden acts like he is afraid to do anything but talk
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Biden is either afraid of Iran, or they have him in their back pocket (bought and paid for). Nothing else makes sense.
Capt. Eddie
Veteran Member
Cracks Form In New Naval Coalition, Drone Strikes Spread To Indian Ocean
Operation Prosperity Guardian, the American-led coalition to defend shipping through the Red Sea, the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, and the Gulf of Aden from Houthi attacks is showing major cracks just as it is forming. At the same time, the latest rash of drone strikes on commercial vessels appears to have spread far from Yemen's shores, to waters off India.
A total of twenty countries have agreed to take part in the multi-national naval security coalition, according to the Pentagon earlier this week, and some of those participants don't want to be named. One of the biggest issues is that of those 20, only a fraction will supply actual ships or other major assets to help the cause. In fact, many are just sending a handful of personnel. This is especially problematic now that Spain, Italy, and France have rejected the U.S. demand that their vessels fall under U.S. Navy command while deployed as part of the security operation.
According to Reuters, Spain is now stating they will only agree to a NATO or EU-led operation. Italy's frigate Virginio Fasan would still deploy to the region, but it would not do so as part of Operation Prosperity Guardian. Meanwhile, France is still going to participate, but it will not allow its vessels to come under U.S. command. This is a big problem as these countries, all NATO members, have highly capable ships with robust air defense capabilities to send. Regardless of how many countries agree to take part, this highly resource-intensive enterprise will need warships, and capable ones at that.
While wrangling any multi-national coalition for a tumultuous operation like this is never easy, these developments among America's closest allies are certainly setbacks. They also come as it appears that the threat to shipping is expanding far beyond the Bab el-Mandeb and its more immediate surroundings.
Just hours ago, a Liberian-flagged chemical tanker M/V Chem Pluto that has ties to Israel was struck by a drone while sailing in the Indian Ocean, roughly 120 miles to the southwest of the Indian port city of Veraval.
Veraval shown by the red pin. (Google Maps)
According to ABC News, Ambrey, a prolific security contractor that provides armed guards and other services to commercial vessels, said the drone stuck the stern of the ship and a fire was ignited, but was eventually put out without injuries to the ship's crew. The ship has structural damage and has taken on some water as a result of the attack. It was heading from Saudi Arabia to India when it was struck. The Indian Navy responded to the ship's distress call with a maritime patrol aircraft and a warship.
Veraval is 1,200 miles from Yemen's shore. This is much farther than any previous attack on shipping by the Houthis. It's possible a new capability was put into play, but that would require satellite man-in-the-loop connectivity, which is more complex than anything we have seen them use in the past. Staging an attack from a nearby ship would be much easier, but that is also a more complex overall undertaking than what we have seen from them in the past, which have been extremely localized operations. While there is nothing definitive in terms of a 'smoking gun' at this point, this attack points more toward Iran. Iran and Israel have been fighting a low-key anti-shipping battle. It's something we have reported on for years, and Iran uses one-way attack drones for these targeted operations.
These tit-for-tat strikes have occurred throughout the Middle East, including around the Gulf of Oman. Iran has an increasingly large flotilla of ships capable of, or specifically designed/adapted, to launch drones of increasingly complexity, especially long-range one-way attack types. Shahed-136 derivatives that have man-in-the-loop capabilities that allow them to hit moving targets have been used in these strikes, among other types. Still, those attacks require a controller within line-of-sight of the drone, which would be on the coast if the target isn't too far out to see, or, in cases like this, a ship in the same general area as the target. Other potential concepts of operations exist to pull something like this off, but these are some key issues to consider based on established and widely-employed capabilities.
Drawing a clear line between the Houthis and their benefactors, Iran, is impossible. If this was indeed an Iranian launched operation, the context of these sporadic strikes on Israeli-related shipping cannot be viewed in the context as in the past, prior to the Houthis launching their anti-shipping campaign to avenge the Palestinians.
White House national security spokeswoman Adrienne Watson stated the following yesterday, according to CBS News: “We know that Iran was deeply involved in planning the operations against commercial vessels in the Red Sea. This is consistent with Iran’s long-term materiel support and encouragement of the Houthis’ destabilizing actions in the region."
If Iran plans on jumping more directly into these types of operations and using their flotilla built seemingly for this exact application, it would be seen like a major escalation. It would also make providing security for naval traffic all that much harder. The northern end of the Indian Ocean is a vast place. This is especially true considering that the U.S. military and its rickety coalition cannot do this yet even in the relatively tight confines of the Bab el-Mandeb and its approaches.
This is all conjecture at this point and there are other, although far less likely, potential explanations. Still, it could very well be that Operation Prosperity Guardian may have even more on its hands than it already is struggling to deal with.
Cracks Form In New Naval Coalition, Drone Strikes Spread To Indian Ocean
Some of the United States' closest allies are not agreeing to put their ships under U.S. Navy command for Operation Prosperity Guardian.
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We weren't "fighting" them as much as "managing" their threat and spending (laundering) money in the same way as non-profits address homelessness, 98% to "administrative overhead" and 2% to the actual problem.
If we were actually "fighting" them it would have looked more like the Red River War of 1874-75.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
Perhaps but i don't think things on the side of the present Government overlords nor their picks for field commanders/naval commanders has gotten any better...to the contrary, they have become worse....much worse so the point is moot.
If you mean some of their IRBMs being thus equipped from the Iranians I can definitely see that as a possibility. As to glassing them, "regular" JDAM weapons make more sense, at the moment.
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
India is NOT a country the Houthis want to screw with.
My brother built a fair amount of their naval software and firmware (and helped in design) they aren't going to be awed by Houthis OR Iran.
Hell. they have been tussling with Pakistan for 50 years. Iran won't be something they are afraid of.
UNLIKE JoeBama's civilian managers (Who have NEVER had to make HARD decisions with DIRECT connections to real, live, BLEEDING people). The JoeBama .MIL "Leaders" are the same.
My brother built a fair amount of their naval software and firmware (and helped in design) they aren't going to be awed by Houthis OR Iran.
Hell. they have been tussling with Pakistan for 50 years. Iran won't be something they are afraid of.
UNLIKE JoeBama's civilian managers (Who have NEVER had to make HARD decisions with DIRECT connections to real, live, BLEEDING people). The JoeBama .MIL "Leaders" are the same.
Exactly. Have either the USN or the USAF expeditionary wings in theater handle SEAD/DEAD and let either BUFF, Bone or the Dorrito handle the "deliveries".
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Yeah and the ZOOMIE Boss is whipping Tinian into shape a LOT faster than many expected.
Apparently, the ankle-to-knee deep impeding jungle has cleared MUCH faster than expected leaving MUCH better 'crete than expected....
night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Dorito????
Old Wobbly Goblin???
Old Wobbly Goblin???
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night driver
ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
AHHH, Spirit...
jward
passin' thru
Megatron
@Megatron_ron
Israel is moving towards a total naval blockade from all sides
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard said:
"They will soon face the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and other waterways"
The port of Eliat, which lies on the Red Sea, is already completely blocked. Those ships that continued to cooperate with Israel bypass Africa and arrive at Israel's shores in the Mediterranean via Gibraltar. The question is how can these ships be blocked?
Today an Israeli ship was hit deep in the Arabian Sea near India. News that showed that the Red Sea is not the only place where Israeli ships can be targeted.
Iran possesses kamikaze drones with long range, high explosive power and invisible to anti-aircraft systems due to their electric motor.
These drones can easily target commercial ships moving in the Mediterranean towards Israel's ports, launched from Lebanon. A very short distance and a very easily achievable stage. In this case, a total naval blockade of Israel will occur.
An incredibly precise plan for a total embargo on Israel by Iran. To make the situation even more complicated for Israel, of the land routes, Jordan is the only country that is currently helping Israel bypass the Houthi blockade in a small percentage. But drones may also be flown here by Islamic militant organizations in Iraq targeting US military bases.
Israel will be completely blocked commercially, from all sides. And as the situation with the Houthis has shown, the United States has no answer to this threat. If they decide to attack Yemen and Lebanon, then the war will escalate to such an extent that not only ships to Israel but all ships passing through the Suez Canal will be stopped.
This will cause a big blow to the economy of Europe, an increase in the prices of goods and oil and a big inflation.
View: https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1738616452742082593?s=20
@Megatron_ron
Israel is moving towards a total naval blockade from all sides
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard said:
"They will soon face the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and other waterways"
The port of Eliat, which lies on the Red Sea, is already completely blocked. Those ships that continued to cooperate with Israel bypass Africa and arrive at Israel's shores in the Mediterranean via Gibraltar. The question is how can these ships be blocked?
Today an Israeli ship was hit deep in the Arabian Sea near India. News that showed that the Red Sea is not the only place where Israeli ships can be targeted.
Iran possesses kamikaze drones with long range, high explosive power and invisible to anti-aircraft systems due to their electric motor.
These drones can easily target commercial ships moving in the Mediterranean towards Israel's ports, launched from Lebanon. A very short distance and a very easily achievable stage. In this case, a total naval blockade of Israel will occur.
An incredibly precise plan for a total embargo on Israel by Iran. To make the situation even more complicated for Israel, of the land routes, Jordan is the only country that is currently helping Israel bypass the Houthi blockade in a small percentage. But drones may also be flown here by Islamic militant organizations in Iraq targeting US military bases.
Israel will be completely blocked commercially, from all sides. And as the situation with the Houthis has shown, the United States has no answer to this threat. If they decide to attack Yemen and Lebanon, then the war will escalate to such an extent that not only ships to Israel but all ships passing through the Suez Canal will be stopped.
This will cause a big blow to the economy of Europe, an increase in the prices of goods and oil and a big inflation.
View: https://twitter.com/Megatron_ron/status/1738616452742082593?s=20
jward
passin' thru
Mike
@Doranimated
This is not an idle threat. Iran is moving ever closer to Algeria precisely to bring its drones, missiles, and cruise missiles within range of the greatest Mediterranean choke point of all: Gibraltar.
Iran International English
@IranIntl_En
Deputy commander of Iran’s IRGC Naghdi warned Saturday the Mediterranean Sea could be closed if the US and its allies continued to commit "crimes" in Gaza, but did not explain how that would happen.
"They shall soon await the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, (the Strait of) Gibraltar and other waterways," he said.
View: https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1738552145580806380?s=20
@Doranimated
This is not an idle threat. Iran is moving ever closer to Algeria precisely to bring its drones, missiles, and cruise missiles within range of the greatest Mediterranean choke point of all: Gibraltar.
Iran International English
@IranIntl_En
Deputy commander of Iran’s IRGC Naghdi warned Saturday the Mediterranean Sea could be closed if the US and its allies continued to commit "crimes" in Gaza, but did not explain how that would happen.
"They shall soon await the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, (the Strait of) Gibraltar and other waterways," he said.
View: https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1738552145580806380?s=20
Anyone else wondering about the iodine they may have at home being expired?
jward
passin' thru
S p r i n t e r
@Sprinter99800
Iran is threatening to close the Mediterranean Sea without specifying how.
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard has said the Mediterranean could be closed if the United States and its allies continue to commit crimes in Gaza.
“They will soon face the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and other waterways,” Tasnim quotes Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Naqdi as saying.
@Sprinter99800
Iran is threatening to close the Mediterranean Sea without specifying how.
The commander of Iran's Revolutionary Guard has said the Mediterranean could be closed if the United States and its allies continue to commit crimes in Gaza.
“They will soon face the closure of the Mediterranean Sea, the Strait of Gibraltar and other waterways,” Tasnim quotes Brigadier General Mohammad Reza Naqdi as saying.
And that doesn't represent the ranges if launched from Houthi controlled territory in Yemen.
ETA: Nor if launched from one of their "base ships".
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Iran and Saudi Arabia are engaged in an ongoing struggle for influence in the Middle East and other regions of the Muslim world. The two countries have provided varying degrees of support to opposing sides in nearby conflicts, including the civil wars in Syria and Yemen; and disputes in Bahrain, Lebanon, Qatar, and Iraq. The struggle also extends to disputes or broader competition in other countries globally including in West, North and East Africa, South, Central, Southeast Asia, the Balkans, and the Caucasus.
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Wikiwand - Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict
Iran and Saudi Arabia are engaged in an ongoing struggle for influence in the Middle East and other regions of the Muslim world. The two countries have provided varying degrees of support to opposing sides in nearby conflicts, including the civil wars in Syria and Yemen; and disputes in Bahrain...
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Iran–Saudi Arabia proxy conflict
Indirect conflict between Iran and Saudi Arabia / From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Iran and Saudi Arabia are engaged in an ongoing struggle for influence in the Middle East and other regions of the Muslim world. The two countries have provided varying degrees of support to opposing sides in nearby conflicts, including the civil wars in Syria and Yemen; and disputes in Bahrain, Lebanon, Qatar, and Iraq. The struggle also extends to disputes or broader competition in other countries globally including in West, North and East Africa, South, Central, Southeast Asia, the Balkans, and the Caucasus.
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