BRKG Woohoo, it's over! Swine flu fears ease....

rodeorector

Global Moderator
Swine flu fears ease — for now at least
updated 9:27 p.m. CT, Fri., May 1, 2009

The swine flu outbreak that has alarmed the world for a week now appears less ominous, with the virus showing little staying power in the hardest-hit cities and scientists suggesting it lacks the genetic fortitude of past killer bugs.

President Barack Obama even voiced hope Friday that it may turn out to be no more harmful than the average seasonal flu.

In New York City, which has the most confirmed swine flu cases in the U.S. with 50, swine flu has not spread far beyond cases linked to one Catholic school. In Mexico, the epicenter of the outbreak, very few relatives of flu victims seem to have caught it.

A flu expert said he sees no reason to believe the virus is particularly lethal. And a federal scientist said the germ’s genetic makeup lacks some traits seen in the deadly 1918 flu pandemic strain and the more recent killer bird flu.

Still, it was too soon to be certain what the swine flu virus will do. Experts say the only wise course is to prepare for the worst. But in a world that’s been rattled by the specter of a global pandemic, glimmers of hope were more than welcome Friday.

“It may turn out that H1N1 runs its course like ordinary flus, in which case we will have prepared and we won’t need all these preparations,” Obama said, using the flu’s scientific name.

The president stressed the government was still taking the virus very seriously, adding that even if this round turns out to be mild, the bug could return in a deadlier form during the next flu season.

New York officials said after a week of monitoring the disease that the city’s outbreak gives little sign of spreading beyond a few pockets or getting more dangerous.

All but two of the city’s confirmed cases so far involve people associated with the high school where the local outbreak began and where several students had recently returned from Mexico.

More than 1,000 students, parents and faculty there reported flu symptoms over just a few days last month. But since then, only a handful of new infections have been reported — only eight students since last Sunday.

'A relatively minor annoyance'
Almost everyone who became ill before then are either recovering or already well. The school, which was closed this past week, is scheduled to reopen Monday. No new confirmed cases were identified in the city on Friday, and Mayor Michael Bloomberg said the outbreak in New York had so far proved to be “a relatively minor annoyance.”

In Mexico, where swine flu has killed at least 16 people and the confirmed case count is nearing 400, the health secretary said few of the relatives of 86 suspected swine flu patients had caught the virus. Only four of the 219 relatives surveyed turned up as probable cases.

As recently as Wednesday, Mexican authorities said there were 168 suspected swine flu deaths in the country and almost 2,500 suspected cases. The officials have stopped updating that number and say those totals may have even been inflated.

Mexico shut down all but essential government services and private businesses Friday, the start of a five-day shutdown that includes a holiday weekend. Authorities there will use the break to determine whether emergency measures can be eased.

In the Mexican capital, there were no reports of deaths overnight — the first time that has happened since the emergency was declared a week ago, said Mayor Marcelo Ebrard.

“This isn’t to say we are lowering our guard or we think we no longer have problems,” Ebrard said. “But we’re moving in the right direction.”

The U.S. case count rose to 155 on Friday, based on federal and state counts, although state laboratory operators believe the number is higher because they are not testing all suspected cases.

Worldwide, the total confirmed cases neared 600, although that number is also believed to be much larger. Besides the U.S. and Mexico, the virus has been detected in Canada, New Zealand, China, Israel and eight European nations.

There were still plenty of signs Friday of worldwide concern.

China decided to suspend flights from Mexico to Shanghai because of a case of swine flu confirmed in a flight from Mexico, China’s state-run Xinhua News Agency reported.

Hong Kong guests quarantined
And in Hong Kong, hundreds of hotel guests and workers were quarantined after a tourist from Mexico tested positive for swine flu, Asia’s first confirmed case.

Evoking the 2003 SARS outbreak, workers in protective suits and masks wiped down tables, floors and windows. Guests at the hotel waved to photographers from their windows.

Also in Asia, health authorities in South Korea confirmed the country’s first case of swine flu on Friday night. The patient, a 51-year-old woman who had recently returned from Mexico, remains quarantined, though she has recovered enough for officials to consider discharging her from the hospital.

Scientists looking closely at the H1N1 virus itself have found some encouraging news, said Nancy Cox, flu chief at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Its genetic makeup doesn’t show specific traits that showed up in the 1918 pandemic virus, which killed about 40 million to 50 million people worldwide.

“However, we know that there is a great deal that we do not understand about the virulence of the 1918 virus or other influenza viruses” that caused serious illnesses, Cox said. “So we are continuing to learn.”

She told The Associated Press that the swine flu virus also lacked genetic traits associated with the virulence of the bird flu virus, which grabbed headlines a few years ago and has killed 250 people, mostly in Asia.

Researchers will get a better idea of how dangerous this virus is over the next week to 10 days, said Peter Palese, a leading flu researcher with Mount Sinai Medical School in New York.

So far in the United States, he said, the virus appears to look and behave like the garden-variety flus that strike every winter. “There is no real reason to believe this is a more serious strain,” he said.

Palese said many adults probably have immune systems primed to handle the virus because it is so similar to another common flu strain.

Older people may be better able to fight flu
As for why the illness has predominantly affected children and teenagers in New York, Palese said older people probably have more antibodies from exposure to similar types of flu that help them fight off infection.

“The virus is so close,” he said.

In the United States, most of the people with swine flu have been treated at home. Only nine people are known to have ended up in the hospital, though officials suspect there are more.

In Mexico, officials have voiced optimism for two days that the worst may be over. But Dr. Scott F. Dowell of the CDC said it’s hard to know whether the outbreak is easing up in Mexico. “They’re still seeing plenty of cases,” Dowell said.

He said outbreaks in any given area might be relatively brief, so that they may seem to be ending in some areas that had a lot of illness a few weeks ago. But cases are occurring elsewhere, and national numbers in Mexico are not abating, he said.

A top Mexican medical officer questioned the World Health Organization’s handling of the early signs of the swine flu scare, suggesting Thursday that a regional arm of the WHO had taken too long to notify WHO headquarters of about a unusually late rash of flu cases in Mexico.

The regional agency, however, provided a timeline to the AP suggesting it was Mexico that failed to respond to its request to alert other nations to the first hints of the outbreak.

The Mexican official, chief epidemiologist Dr. Miguel Angel Lezana, backtracked Friday, telling Radio Formula: “There was no delay by the Mexican authorities, nor was there any by the World Health Organization.”

In the U.S., Obama said efforts were focused on identifying people who have the flu, getting medical help to the right places and providing clear advice to state and local officials and the public.

The president also said the U.S. government is working to produce a vaccine down the road, developing clear guidelines for school closings and trying to ensure businesses cooperate with workers who run out of sick leave.

He pointed out that regular seasonal flus kill about 36,000 people in the United States in an average year and send 200,000 to the hospital.

Some states lack drug supplies
Until a vaccine is ready, the U.S. government has stockpiled antiviral medications that can ease flu symptoms or help prevent infection. The medicines are proving effective.

The Department of Health and Human Services recommends that each state have enough antiviral medicine on hand to treat 25 percent of its population. But an AP survey of all 50 states and the District of Columbia found that 29 were below that threshold.

Several were just under it, but 15 states had enough medicine on hand to treat fewer than 20 percent of residents. Seven states — Arizona, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida, Idaho, Massachusetts and Montana — could treat about 15 percent.

Despite that, the acting head of the CDC said no state is expected to experience shortages because the federal government is racing to fill states' stockpiles with millions of additional doses from its own strategic reserves.

Besser said Thursday that the CDC had deployed drugs to nine states so far, and that all states would receive allocations from the national reserve by Sunday.

The deployment is being done "as a forward-leaning move ... in case this becomes something much bigger than it currently is," Besser said.

Federal officials also said there was no shortage of the medicine in regular pharmacies.

NBC News, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30471035
 

GRITS

Contributing Member
So why did they announce yesterday that they are closing down one of the elementary schools here in South Florida when only one student has a confirmed case. Agree, too much hype surrounding this flu - but closing the school does not send out the message that things are easing.
 

rodeorector

Global Moderator
I don't think the point is that this swine flu is through spreading, but I think it's that it's not as bad as it could have been and nowhere near as bad as the usual winter flu. By taking these pre-emptive measures now it should just fizzle on out.
 
Sensationalism...

...and a co-morbid case of under-reporting. Doctors in some places have been told to stop testing for H1N1. In other places, they have run out of the test-kits and must send the samples off to the CDC--which doesn't have the man-power to test them in a timely manner.

So...if you don't test for H1N1, there are no new cases of H1N1. Yep, we're saved, all right...by the PTB sweeping it under the rug.

Sensationalism--making the disease appear to be more deadly than it may be. Under-reporting...not counting the suspected cases with the confirmed cases (or just flat refusing to confirm the cases).

I'm sorry...I'm cynical about this. A friend told me about a man who went to the ER last week with flu symptoms (the worst he'd ever had), they sent him home. He died on his way back to the ER this week. Will that be counted as H1N1? Hell, no! H1N1 wasn't publicized when he went to the ER the first time, and they don't want to admit that we have more fatalities. (Not one of those rumors, but a real person that my friend actually knew.)
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
...and a co-morbid case of under-reporting. Doctors in some places have been told to stop testing for H1N1. In other places, they have run out of the test-kits and must send the samples off to the CDC--which doesn't have the man-power to test them in a timely manner.

So...if you don't test for H1N1, there are no new cases of H1N1. Yep, we're saved, all right...by the PTB sweeping it under the rug.

Sensationalism--making the disease appear to be more deadly than it may be. Under-reporting...not counting the suspected cases with the confirmed cases (or just flat refusing to confirm the cases).

I'm sorry...I'm cynical about this. A friend told me about a man who went to the ER last week with flu symptoms (the worst he'd ever had), they sent him home. He died on his way back to the ER this week. Will that be counted as H1N1? Hell, no! H1N1 wasn't publicized when he went to the ER the first time, and they don't want to admit that we have more fatalities. (Not one of those rumors, but a real person that my friend actually knew.)


I distinctly remember a speech on an aircraft carrier saying that the Iraq war was over...so I"m with VG...they just announced on CNN that the WHO announced there were 600 some cases up from 374 yesterday..and wasn't its ability to mutate rapidly one of the biggest fears?...HOORAY if it is over...but there's been alot of misinformation about this thing..blessings T
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
I told a friend that the swine flu was over and he said, "Great! The swine flu is over, the recession is over--life is good!"

Well, life is good, but as for the rest of it, I'm withholding judgement.



LOL! I had FORGOTTEN the dep - recession is over. Gosh just all KINDS of exciting news these days!!

I'd like to thank both you and Rodeo Rector for cheering me up today! I means a lot you guys. (Applies Thieves oil and applies for her weekly unemployment benefits.)
 

Binkerthebear

Veteran Member
As I'm sure has been said many times, the 1918 Spanish flu came in two waves: Spring was mild with no alarm. Fall was a different story altogether.
 
So does this mean no good pork sales at the store? Joking aside, I hope and pray that this is fizzling out and doesn't come back and roar it's ugly head this Fall like some as said it could.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
Flu fighters warn against complacency, seek clues

MEXICO CITY (AP) -- The leader of an international team helping Mexico face down the swine flu outbreak said it should soon learn whether the epidemic is stabilizing, but with global apprehension on the rise, Hong Kong sealed 350 tourists and employees inside a hotel.

Dr. Steve Waterman, the head of a team from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned against taking false comfort from the fact that only one person has died outside Mexico, saying more deaths are likely as the epidemic evolves.

"That is the big question: Is it stabilizing or not? And it is too early to say, but I think we are getting systems in place where we are going to be able to get a handle on this soon," Waterman, standing amid CDC doctors and specialists at the Mexico City nerve center where officials are confronting the outbreak, said Friday.

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The U.S. case count rose to 155 on Friday, based on federal and state tallies, although state laboratory operators believe the number is higher because they are not testing all suspected cases.

Worldwide, the total confirmed cases were 653, with the real number also believed to be much larger. The virus has also been detected in Canada, New Zealand, China, South Korea, Israel and eight European nations.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MED_SWINE_FLU?SITE=NCGAS&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
 

BoatGuy

Inactive
Well, TPTB keep telling us that the "recession" is over. Now, the experts tell us that the flu is gone.

Tell you what... next flu season, let's see who was right? By that time, we should have an answer on the economy as well. And then, we'll have to pick new experts to listen to...
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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The MSM is starting to get bored with the story.

Bottom line, no swarm of domestic fatalities. No big news from the East or West Coasts and nobody in the MSM wants any "splashback" to hit the WH.

Focus groups are telling TV and radio stations that there is too much swine flu coverage.
 

Navydad

Inactive
Ok. Has anyone but me read the OP's link to MSNBC. The only change I can find is that 0 said in his radio address this morning that he hopes it will just run its course and not be so bad. And he compared its verocity to other seasonal flues....so far. He has been saying this for days and we have been posting it. I googled google news. No new opitimism from any of the reports in the last hour. Yes it appears mild at the time but is spread much faster than anyone is reporting. Read our Compreshensive Thread and you will see it is reported in almost every country and only four US States are Flu free as of late last night. I am going to read this OP in depth before posting this, but unless I see something that hits me like a brick, I gotta call BS. Or was Rodeorector just being a little sarcastic?



With the disease on its doorstep, mainland China suspended all direct flights from Mexico, the virus's epicenter, and quarantined other travelers on the same flight as the 25-year-old Mexican who became Asia's first confirmed case of the virus late Friday. He landed first in Shanghai before continuing on to Hong Kong, where he checked into the Metropark Hotel.
Health workers in white bodysuits patrolled the lobby of the Metropark in Hong Kong's Wan Chai bar and office district. About a dozen police officers wearing masks guarded the cordoned-off building, which was ordered quarantined for seven days starting Friday.
'Information for beer'
A masked hotel guest inside flashed a handwritten sign through the lobby window to journalists swarming outside. It read, "We will exchange information for beer and food and cigarettes."
Another quarantined guest, Frenchman Olivier Dolige, spoke to AP reporters by computer using the Skype video-conferencing program.
Dolige, a Paris native who was visiting Hong Kong for a trade fair, said he did not feel sick. He displayed the antiviral Tamiflu capsules he had been ordered to take as a precaution.
He said he will turn 43 on Tuesday in quarantine. "I think about having my birthday with water and bad cake," he wrote. "No champagne."
The Mexican patient in Hong Kong, who was not identified, arrived in Shanghai on AeroMexico flight AM 98 and continued on to Hong Kong on China Eastern Airlines flight MU 505. He developed a fever after arriving in the territory Thursday afternoon and was in stable condition Saturday in hospital isolation.
In Beijing, the vice director of Ditan hospital, Cheng Jun, said 15 people from the flight — five Mexican and 10 Chinese — were hospitalized for observation but had not shown any symptoms. In addition, one passenger each who went to Jiangsu and Hebei provinces have been placed in quarantine, he said.

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Taiwanese Minister of Health Yeh Ching-chuan told reporters the government had tracked down 19 of the 26 passengers who transferred to Taipei from Hong Kong after traveling on the same flight as the Mexican. He said none had shown signs of illness.
Though U.S. officials have already begun to express hope the epidemic may fizzle, authorities took no chances in Hong Kong. Experts fear the disease will be more difficult to contain if it begins to spread through Asia's densely populated countries.
Hong Kong Secretary for Food and Health York Chow said the territory was facing "a critical moment."
Sixty people at the Metropark who had mild symptoms were taken to hospitals for follow-up, Thomas Tsang, controller of Hong Kong's Center of Health Protection, was quoted as saying on radio RTHK's Web site Saturday.

Chow said the government has already tracked down 19 people who sat near the Mexican on the plane and isolated them, but was still looking for his taxi drivers.
During the SARS outbreak, an infected doctor who checked into a Hong Kong hotel later died, but not before infecting a resident of the Chinese territory and 16 other hotel guests. Those guests spread the virus internationally, and it eventually killed more than 770 people, including 299 in Hong Kong.
A World Health Organization spokesman stopped short of a wholesale endorsement of the move but indicated the U.N. agency was pleased.
"We don't have a policy on quarantining hotels in situations like this, but we like governments to be as sure as they can that they're controlling the situation rather than missing opportunities. So in that context, we're happy with what Hong Kong has done," Peter Cordingley said.
Worldwide, the total confirmed cases were 653, with the real number also believed to be much larger. The virus has also been detected in Canada, New Zealand, China, South Korea, Israel and eight European nations.
Meanwhile, the leader of an international team helping Mexico face down the swine flu outbreak said it should soon learn whether the epidemic is really stabilizing in Mexico, but that many key questions about how the disease kills still need to be answered.
'Big question'
Dr. Steve Waterman, the head of a team from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, also warned against taking false comfort from the fact that only one person has died outside Mexico, saying more deaths are likely as the epidemic evolves.
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"That is the big question: Is it stabilizing or not? And it is too early to say, but I think we are getting systems in place where we are going to be able to get a handle on this soon," Waterman, standing amid CDC doctors and specialists at the Mexico City nerve center where officials are confronting the outbreak, said Friday.
Mexican officials have been cautiously optimistic that the worst is over here, even as the government took additional protective measures Friday by beginning a five-day shutdown of all nonessential government and private business.
In Washington, even President Barack Obama voiced hope Friday that the new virus may turn out to be no more harmful than the average seasonal flu.
"It may turn out that H1N1 runs its course like ordinary flus, in which case we will have prepared and we won't need all these preparations," Obama said, using the flu's scientific name.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30471035
 
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TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
This makes me very uneasy. While crying wolf is very counter-productive, I think the backlog in confirmation efforts is being mistakenly read as a slowdown in transmission. If anything, the inability to report new cases by WHO/CDC at the same time that the probables are stacking up at the local/state level, well, that tells ME that there is a very thick fog of data out there. The WHO/CDC can't penetrate the fog with the tools they have.
 

lafrteacher

Inactive
People are still getting sick, and it IS spreading around here.
Big Brother is lying. When people wake up and smell the coffee, the panic will begin. (Hmmm, coffee sounds good about now...)
 

Navydad

Inactive
U.S. President Obama says flu strain requires vigilance and readiness




THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
May 02, 2009 10:04 a.m.

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WASHINGTON - U.S. President Barack Obama says the H1N1 flu strain that's alarming some is so new and poorly understood that it justifies the government's efforts to fight it.

In his weekly radio and Internet address, Obama says the human-to-human transmission creates the potential for a pandemic and that's why the U.S. is acting "quickly and aggressively."

The president noted that the strain can be defeated by a course of antiviral treatment that's already on hand.

He's asked Congress for US$1.5 billion to buy more medicine and equipment if needed.


Obama says it is not clear why the virus has claimed far more victims in Mexico than elsewhere.

He says he hopes all the precautions prove unnecessary but that he'd sooner take action now than "hesitate and face graver consequences later."



http://www.metronews.ca/halifax/wor...s-flu-strain-requires-vigilance-and-readiness

Excuse me if I am missing something, but what is new?
:dvl1:
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
People are still getting sick, and it IS spreading around here.
Big Brother is lying. When people wake up and smell the coffee, the panic will begin. (Hmmm, coffee sounds good about now...)

Not if it's not killing a lot of people and right now it isn't. There is no evidence that the mortality rate of this flu is any greater than in the seasonal flu outbreaks. The difference in this is it is highly virulent and also highly publicized.

The 'danger' I see is many are running around with their heads cut off with the sky is falling carp over this (not saying that you are) that as this wanes as it's likely to do with seasonal norms that by the time next fall/winter rolls around people will be so sick of the hype and the lack of much happening in the first wave that they won't pay as much attention to the next wave and it's very likely that the next wave will be a big killer.

Not that tragedy isn't taking place now and that people are not dying from it as they are. And we should be paying attention and we should be careful. But this particular wave/strain is the soup before the main course. People get too burned out on this now and they won't be paying attention when they need to.
 

Navydad

Inactive
This will end up on the other thread. What is encouraging except MSNBC's fuzzy warm?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...ow/4476087.cms
Italy confirms first case of new flu virus


http://www.11alive.com/news/national...9763&catid=165
Georgia Won't Test All Type-A Flu Patients for H1N1 Virus

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...t_11300955.htm
Confirmed A/H1N1 flu cases rises to 15 in Spain

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L2516414.htm
HIV patients at higher risk from flu, WHO says

(snippet...)
HIV and the new flu strain could also mix together in a dangerous way, as has occurred with HIV and tuberculosis, the WHO said in guidance for health workers on its website.
 

Navydad

Inactive
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...0641,78.75&z=4

http://twitter.com/Veratect
# Switzerland: Seven Aarau Canton government members with symptoms in isolation after flying from US with confirmed influenza A (H1N1) case.1 minute ago from web

http://fr.reuters.com/article/topNew...54104M20090502
Deux cas avérés de grippe A/H1N1 à Paris, 16 hospitalisations
(2 proven with A/H1N1 in Paris, 16 hospitalized)

Fast translation of the article and mainly just the highlights.

As of midday Saturday, 16 hospitalized.....9 possibles, 5 probable and 2 proven. Authorities reported on Friday that there were 30 suspected cases at the national level (3 probable and 2 confirmed). As of now, there has been no human to human transmission.

OK So all is well? I'm going back to bed. /sarcasm off
 

Navydad

Inactive
Huh? How'd these folks get it then?


Four countries have confirmed human to human. Links on Compreshensive thread.

That was a fuzzy warm french statement.

As we have been posting for days, so far it is not killing us just making us sick as pigs and forced five hundred school closures in US.
 

Mr. Mason

Membership Revoked
My advice to everyone is this...

Stock preps now like there's no tommorrow... This coming fall is going to be hell on earth.

It's almost a certainty that this new flu is going to end up in a pig in Asia or the middle east that's also inflected with the Avian bird flu sometime within the next few months and when that happens, it's pretty much a given that the two strains are going to merge into a new strain that is most likely going to be highly contagious...

YOU ARE LIVING ON BORROWED TIME... Get ready NOW...
 

FlyLadyFan

Inactive
The MSM is starting to get bored with the story.

Bottom line, no swarm of domestic fatalities. No big news from the East or West Coasts and nobody in the MSM wants any "splashback" to hit the WH.

Focus groups are telling TV and radio stations that there is too much swine flu coverage.

I noticed a big change in the tone and amount of MSM coverage this past Tuesday. My gut tells me 'somebody important' has told them to 'cool it'.

FLF

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Crying Wolf

Not if it's not killing a lot of people and right now it isn't. There is no evidence that the mortality rate of this flu is any greater than in the seasonal flu outbreaks. The difference in this is it is highly virulent and also highly publicized.

The 'danger' I see is many are running around with their heads cut off with the sky is falling carp over this (not saying that you are) that as this wanes as it's likely to do with seasonal norms that by the time next fall/winter rolls around people will be so sick of the hype and the lack of much happening in the first wave that they won't pay as much attention to the next wave and it's very likely that the next wave will be a big killer.

Not that tragedy isn't taking place now and that people are not dying from it as they are. And we should be paying attention and we should be careful. But this particular wave/strain is the soup before the main course. People get too burned out on this now and they won't be paying attention when they need to.

Each influenza outbreak for the last 50 years has been the "Big One" (reminiscent of Sanford and Son). With each outbreak, and subsequent debunking, people will become de-sensitized to the dangers of flu.

Can't you just see them now? It's September (of 2009 or 2019) and little Johnny has the flu. Mom and Dad decide to dose him with DayQuil and send him to school. No one goes to the doctor and, by the time it makes the news, most of the reporters are down, too. Besides, preparation costs money. If/When this fizzles out, hospitals and government agencies will be out real money for the supplies they didn't need/didn't use. Who pays for that? How likely are they to believe the reports of the next big one?
 

Moon

Veteran Member
Well it should give the US more time to top up on Tamiflu given there is only enought at this time for just over 15% of the population...........
 
We need more reports like this.

Masks and protective supplies are running short or being bid way to high on Ebay!

Maybe this bug will fizzle, but these supplies should be stockpiled anyways for a future pandemic and/or bioterror....which is what this flu still may be:

http://TheSpiritOfTruth.blogspot.com

Fortunately, however, the more this bug fizzles, the less the chances we're witnessing bioterrorism....or at least the less the chances we're observing successful bioterrorism.
 

gdpetti

Inactive
That's if Tamiflu had any success, which is very questionable based on previous reports... though having members of govt on the board never hurts.

This whole flu thing is said to be the setup for the vaccine which is the usual 'killer'... so far this flu pandemic has been to setup the scare routine for the vaccine and the media frenzy of fear that supports it... as 'culling' time is very near.

That said, it really is way out of proportion to the real diseases/viruses out there that are killing people.. mostly the usual suspects like the poor who live in bad housing, with inadequate water supplies etc... like Mexico City who recently had those water supply issues that required shutoffs to the poor areas of the city so that maintainence could be done... Hmmm, the timing is interesting isn't it?

Ok, here's a doctors' blog in britain... fairuse http://www.sott.net/articles/show/183415-Swine-flu-pandemic-It-feels-like-a-phoney-war

Swine flu pandemic? It feels like a phoney war

Dr John Crippen
UK Guardian
Fri, 01 May 2009 22:45 UTC

Dr John Crippen is the pseudonym of an NHS doctor who writes a popular medical blog. This is his account of the view from the GP's surgery

Oh! God, now I know it is serious. The Health Protection Agency has sent me an algorithm to tell me how to deal with swine flu. It arrived today in an email with one of those red exclamation marks at the side. An algorithm, for those who don't know, is a "finite sequence of instructions, an explicit, step-by-step procedure for solving a problem". It is very complicated. I do not understand it. Fortunately the primary care trust has also sent me a red exclamation mark email with instructions I can understand: "The main message remains: always use a tissue to catch coughs and sneezes, throw away used tissues and regularly wash your hands."

I can relate to that. Trouble is, it makes me giggle. I can't get that old jingle, from somewhere in early childhood, out of my mind. "Coughs and sneezes spread diseases, trap your germs in your handkerchief." It has rhythm. It is best recited in a "Mail train" monotone. Lovers of Tony Hancock will want to sing it to the tune of Deutschland, Deutschland über alles.

Doctor, you're not taking this seriously. Actually, I am. We have all read our way through the mountains of circulars that have arrived. We are having a daily practice meeting. We have one partner designated to take all the "flu"-related calls so our advice is consistent. Yesterday we had two such calls: a patient just returned from Turkey who had diarrhoea and wondered if it could be flu, and an elderly lady wanting advice about her husband who has respiratory problems. Should he be started on Tamiflu? Simple answer: No.

Today, so far, there have been no calls at all. We have 15,000 patients and are close to one of the larger airports in England, but have not seen a case of flu. We have not had a single patient worrying that he or she might have flu. It feels like a phoney war. We have seen two patients with heart attacks, three acute asthmatic attacks, and a child who had swallowed an implausibly large piece of Lego. Such is general practice.

We met at lunchtime, not to talk of heart attacks and Lego, but of flu. There have been deaths in Mexico. There has been one in the US. Our Indian partner said: "There were 2,000 deaths, mainly children in Africa and Asia, yesterday."

Our medical student looked shocked: "I didn't know swine flu had reached that part of the world." "It hasn't," said our partner. "I'm talking of deaths from malaria. But that isn't news, is it?"

We were silent for a while. Time to get things in proportion.
 

lafrteacher

Inactive
My advice to everyone is this...

Stock preps now like there's no tommorrow... This coming fall is going to be hell on earth.

It's almost a certainty that this new flu is going to end up in a pig in Asia or the middle east that's also inflected with the Avian bird flu sometime within the next few months and when that happens, it's pretty much a given that the two strains are going to merge into a new strain that is most likely going to be highly contagious...

YOU ARE LIVING ON BORROWED TIME... Get ready NOW...

That's the feeling I'm getting, too. God is warning us...THE HANDWRITING IS ON THE WALL!
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
What a bunch of horse crap. It's extremely premature to be claiming this thing is already on the way out. To say as much is politically motivated.
 

Grantbo

Membership Revoked
I call BS on the artical. WA States # of sick has doubled in2 days. They didn't get this flu all by themselves...hello? :kaid:
 
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