SOFT NEWS Woman Sues National Park Service After Being Told She Can’t Use Cash to Pay Entry Fee

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Actually I paid cash at two parks last year. Not for camping though--that is card and reservation only. So I didn't camp there.

You're kidding?! We've been told by every national park we've travelled to that "no cash". How strange.

According to this article that claims dozens of the 424 sites within the national park system no longer accept cash and some are completely cashless, there are some that still do but they are on the way out. Good to know. It would be interesting to find out which/when each park is being phased.

 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Kathy knows more about this than I do, so I'll just take a few k out and buy ag with it. Maybe close the bank account and open another credit union account. Hmm...

My husband worked in commercial banking for 17 years and we've been in business for ourselves for over 25. The writing has been on the wall for a while. When they converted entitlements from checks and/or cash to cash/EBT cards it was hard not to see it. The problem right now is infrastructure. But there was an article here on TB2K a few months back about how Biden was handing out fed grants to increase internet access and bandwidth to rural areas. That isn't just because he is being kind.

I could be wrong - and honestly hope I am - but in three to five years they'll start phasing the digital currency system much more vigorously. Many businesses no longer give people an option to receive their paychecks any other way than direct deposit. They are already strangling businesses with the restrictions on cash deposits. Lots of places you can no longer walk in and hand them physical fiat currency to pay your bills. How many can only receive their SS and/or other retirement benefits except by direct deposit?

I hope people are making their personal plans for this. Even if someone like Trump gets in the WH, they'll just wait until he is out to start. So yeah, 3 to 5 years is my estimate.
 

Johnny Twoguns

Senior Member
My husband worked in commercial banking for 17 years and we've been in business for ourselves for over 25. The writing has been on the wall for a while. When they converted entitlements from checks and/or cash to cash/EBT cards it was hard not to see it. The problem right now is infrastructure. But there was an article here on TB2K a few months back about how Biden was handing out fed grants to increase internet access and bandwidth to rural areas. That isn't just because he is being kind.

I could be wrong - and honestly hope I am - but in three to five years they'll start phasing the digital currency system much more vigorously. Many businesses no longer give people an option to receive their paychecks any other way than direct deposit. They are already strangling businesses with the restrictions on cash deposits. Lots of places you can no longer walk in and hand them physical fiat currency to pay your bills. How many can only receive their SS and/or other retirement benefits except by direct deposit?

I hope people are making their personal plans for this. Even if someone like Trump gets in the WH, they'll just wait until he is out to start. So yeah, 3 to 5 years is my estimate.
It won't take 5 years for the financial crash to be complete, and globalism will be crushed for a very long time, a generation at least, if history is anything to go by.

It is my personal feeling that the webbots will be correct; bankers, rope, street lamps, and that will include all the elites that can be caught, at least in the West. Too much chaos has been sown in the world these last 20 years, and especially the last 4 years. Too much hate. Too much death and disability and THAT still has another 5 years to grow.

I'll be shocked if it is solved without world wide chaos, more or less, in the next 2-3 years. And I really do think it starts this year.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
No chance. While money can be used for all debts, it doesn't say that anybody HAS to accept it.

Spot on.


Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services.
Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.

Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
No chance. While money can be used for all debts, it doesn't say that anybody HAS to accept it.
Very true, but we are talking about a government agency. They before anyone else should be subject to accepting cash at all times. Why? They issued it!!!

Think of it this way, ..... you give Bob a note for $10 and tell him it is good anywhere for anything he purchases, but then when he tries to cash it in with you, you won't take it! That will break the system faster than the "police state" they are obviously implementing.

If a private entity providing a non-public good, they have the choice.....

non-public good, some one providing a basic need or service, such as power / water / government whatever /etc. In other words the basics.

Yeah, I know many of these companies like the local power company won't take cash anymore.... not good in my opinion.
 

Peachy

Contributing Member
You're kidding?! We've been told by every national park we've travelled to that "no cash". How strange.

According to this article that claims dozens of the 424 sites within the national park system no longer accept cash and some are completely cashless, there are some that still do but they are on the way out. Good to know. It would be interesting to find out which/when each park is being phased.

I'm not kidding. Photo taken Sept. 30, 2023.IMG_9056.jpg
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
I get her point, but I also understand why the park service is doing it. Hard enough to find employees who can fog a mirror these days, but expect them to handle cash, then expect the place not to get robbed if they hold cash?
 

Peachy

Contributing Member
I could be wrong - and honestly hope I am - but in three to five years they'll start phasing the digital currency system much more vigorously. Many businesses no longer give people an option to receive their paychecks any other way than direct deposit. They are already strangling businesses with the restrictions on cash deposits. Lots of places you can no longer walk in and hand them physical fiat currency to pay your bills. How many can only receive their SS and/or other retirement benefits except by direct deposit?

I hope people are making their personal plans for this. Even if someone like Trump gets in the WH, they'll just wait until he is out to start. So yeah, 3 to 5 years is my estimate.
I agree, they are making it difficult to use cash and trying to fast track cards only.

People need to push back as often as possible. Slow the move to card only.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
hope you "cash only" realize how close it came to be FED mandated "cashless" during Covid >> only reason was that they didn't want the fake pandemic to be impacting without their power gain ....

if China or some terrorist nation conducts a bio attack on the US - $$$$ would be one of the communal spread methods - not system checked like the US mail >>> better be prepped for the possibility
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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hope you "cash only" realize how close it came to be FED mandated "cashless" during Covid >> only reason was that they didn't want the fake pandemic to be impacting without their power gain ....

if China or some terrorist nation conducts a bio attack on the US - $$$$ would be one of the communal spread methods - not system checked like the US mail >>> better be prepped for the possibility

No one here said they are for a cash-only society. I don't think people are for nuclear war either but a lot of members prep for it.

Same thing here. Recognizing the reality of, and prepping for something, doesn't mean that you endorse it.

So please back up a little and see the bigger picture. Just because people don't think the same way you do doesn't mean they are wrong ... or right ... it is just another thing to prep for. More difficult for obvious reasons. But in my opinion it is more realistic to prep for a change to digital currency than it is some other things like alien invasion, worldwide EMPeeee, a zombiepocalypse, etc.
 

Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I get her point, but I also understand why the park service is doing it. Hard enough to find employees who can fog a mirror these days, but expect them to handle cash, then expect the place not to get robbed if they hold cash?

also cuts the employee theft avenue >>> it can be unbelievably high with the correct flaws in the system ....

when IL Tollway Authority finally got pushed into the modern world and incorporated technology - eliminated the coin basket drive-up toll taking and attendant cash takers >>> the theft yearly yield was up into the $$$ MILLIONS $$$ - Organized Crime was involved and they had long time established avenues to siphon off the cash thefts - one of the local Mafia Dons has "Nickles" for nickname from his Tollway dayz .....
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
feel like fighting or just got a monthly bitch going? >>> I point out facts and obvious prep needs and you see the need to counter it - screw you - go find your husband or whoever - but don't bring it here and VERY definitely don't be attacking ME with your bitch ....
Wow... that's a bit off the rails...
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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@Illini Warrior You've got one more chance and not because I'm a mod. Attack anyone else on this thread or any other like you attacked me, and you'll not only be banned from that thread, you'll be in Timeout commiserate with the consequences that have been set up by Dennis and previous mods for a long time. You know the rules. So should everyone else.

You WILL NOT attack other members on this forum under any circumstances. If you have a problem with the way someone responds to you on a thread, use the report function. And that goes for everyone else as well. There is enough of that crap on the internet and in the meatworld. Not going to happen here. Asking someone to rethink an opinion, go for it. Attacking someone with curse words, etc? Nope, not here. Keep that stuff in whatever other world you live in.
 

tinfoil

Senior Member
Good. I hope she wins and that she and any members of her friend or family groups are all given free lifetime entrance to and and all US Fee areas. And I hope the NPS has to issue a public apology to her and anyone who was with her in the car that day.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
You have to have an ID to get a credit or debit card. That be discrimination since we all know blacks can’t get an ID to vote.
 

Bad Hand

Veteran Member
I never go to National Parks even though I live very close to 2 of them way to many stupid people there.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
I got out of a hospital parking deck for free by offering to pay in cash. They were pissed and told me to go on through, because they couldnt make change for a $20.
 

BornFree

Came This Far

From the Federal Reserve Board

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?​


There is no federal statute mandating that a private business, a person, or an organization must accept currency or coins as payment for goods or services. Private businesses are free to develop their own policies on whether to accept cash unless there is a state law that says otherwise.


Section 31 U.S.C. 5103, entitled "Legal tender," states: "United States coins and currency [including Federal Reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal Reserve Banks and national banks] are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues." This statute means that all U.S. money as identified above is a valid and legal offer of payment for debts when tendered to a creditor.

_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

I am pretty sure that court cases like this have already been lost. But when the Federal government won't accept its own cash then that is a pretty sad statement about the way things are today. It should be very wrong for them not to so. I see congress tried act to force people to take cash, but that didn't get too far.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Does it strike anyone else as absurd that US citizens have to pay any fee at all to enter any of "their" national parks?

Best
Doc
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Very true, but we are talking about a government agency. They before anyone else should be subject to accepting cash at all times. Why? They issued it!!!

Think of it this way, ..... you give Bob a note for $10 and tell him it is good anywhere for anything he purchases, but then when he tries to cash it in with you, you won't take it! That will break the system faster than the "police state" they are obviously implementing.

If a private entity providing a non-public good, they have the choice.....

non-public good, some one providing a basic need or service, such as power / water / government whatever /etc. In other words the basics.

Yeah, I know many of these companies like the local power company won't take cash anymore.... not good in my opinion.
I don't know why that is hard to understand. They issued it. the Fed Gov. And now, they don't want it back.
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
The National Park Service has been implementing and expanding a cashless entry payment system over the past few years, Flores said.

I havent read all of the comments, but the reason they want to do away with cash is because it says, "In God we Trust" on it.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Nope. The "legal tender" will change format. I've yet to see a successful lawsuit when they change the fiat currency/coinage to different forms/formats. I hate those blue hundred dollar bills. When you get a stack of brand new ones those blasted blue ribbons stick together. But they are still hundred dollar bills and the prior format slowly gets removed from circulation as they come into the bank.

Eventually, after issuing "cash cards" they will slowly remove all of the paper fiat currency and coinage out of circulation and only the cards will remain.

The national parks aren't refusing to accept US currency, they are just not in a position to accept physical fiat paper currency. They can however accept US currency, just in a digital format.

Yes, it is a matter of semantics but so is that statement that is printed on the physical paper fiat currency.
It's a twisted logic....for what that's worth. Can't really monetize it..........
 
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