SOFT NEWS Woman Sues National Park Service After Being Told She Can’t Use Cash to Pay Entry Fee

stormie

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In a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Elizabeth Dasburg and two other plaintiffs allege the National Park Service is violating U.S. law by refusing to accept U.S. currency. Children’s Health Defense is financially backing the lawsuit.
By
Suzanne Burdick, Ph.D.
When Elizabeth Dasburg tried to use cash to pay the entry fee to the Fort Pulaski National Monument in Georgia, she was told that the site, part of the U.S. National Park Service, could accept cards only, no cash.

An employee suggested she go to the local grocery store or “big chains like Walmart” to purchase a gift card. “Since those are cards, we can accept them in leu [sic] of cash,” the site employee wrote.

Dasburg and two others who also were denied entrance to a national park unless they used a card to pay the entrance fee on Wednesday sued the National Park Service, challenging its cashless fee collection policy.

In a complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the plaintiffs allege the federal agency is violating U.S. law by refusing to accept U.S. currency as entry payment.

Children’s Health Defense (CHD) is financially supporting the lawsuit.

“CHD is excited to support attorney Ray Flores and the plaintiffs in this case to push back against the move toward a cashless society and central bank digital currency,” said Kim Mack Rosenberg, CHD general counsel.

“By forcing people to use credit cards or digital wallets, under the guise of convenience, the National Park Service becomes a player in the surveillance state, undermining park visitors’ privacy right,” Rosenberg said.

Flores told The Defender he found it “appalling” that “these pristine lands are the nation’s testing ground” for a cashless society.

The National Park Service has been implementing and expanding a cashless entry payment system over the past few years, Flores said.

Now, nearly 30 national parks, historic sites and monuments deny entrance to those who try to pay with cash, the complaint said. They accept only credit, debit and other electronic forms of payment, such as ApplePay.

The plaintiffs are asking the court to declare this practice unlawful, which would mean the National Park Service would be forced to let visitors pay with cash. They also seek relief for the cost of the suit, including attorney fees.

Defendants in the case are the National Park Service, the U.S. Department of the Interior — which oversees the National Park Service — and Charles F. Sams III in his official capacity as National Park Service director.

Denying cash violates federal law

According to the complaint, federal statute (U.S. Code Title 31, Section 5103) makes it clear that “United States coins and currency … are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.”

U.S. currency is essentially “demonetized” when the National Park Service “erodes the dollar’s status as U.S. legal tender,” Flores said.

Catherine Austin Fitts — former federal housing commissioner at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and publisher of the “Solari Report” — told The Defender, “This lawsuit goes at the very heart of the war to preserve cash, and with it, our human and health freedoms.”

“Removing cash from circulation,” she said, “is an essential step to implementing a complete surveillance state that can shut off our money at will — as we saw happen to the Canadian Truckers — or take our assets and grab our land.”

Flores agreed. “Cashless is a key component — if not the lynchpin — of the surveillance state.”

Austin Fitts encouraged people to support the lawsuit “with your prayers and by using cash and supporting the businesses and organizations that continue to accept and promote cash.”

Cashless policy disadvantages low-income, minority families

Meanwhile, critics of the cashless policy — including CHD President Laura Bono — said refusing to let visitors pay with cash may disproportionately impact lower-income families and people of color.

Only half of low-income households have access to a credit card, according to a March 2022 Federal Reserve Bank of New York report, Bono wrote in a letter to National Park Service Director Charles F. Sams III.

The Government Accountability Office in April 2022 reported that Black and Hispanic households were about 60% less likely than white households to have a bank account. “This should trouble you as greatly as it does me,” Bono wrote.

Flores agreed. “Comforting platitudes of inclusivity, stewardship and welcome are exposed as a fraud when the National Park Service tells the poor and others with hard-earned cash-in-hand to stay out.”

Park service: Cashless fees help us ‘stay safe, secure’

The National Park Service did not immediately respond to The Defender’s request for comment about the lawsuit.

However, according to Mount Rainier National Park’s cashless fee collection FAQ, the park service phased out cash at the park “to be a better steward of our visitors’ dollars.”

The park service cited these reasons for the change:

  • Reduces the amount of time park staff spend managing cash (i.e. reduce our administrative burden).
  • Improves accountability, reduces the chance of errors, and allows the park to maximize funding available for visitor services and critical projects.
  • Reduces transaction times.
  • Cashless fee collection helps us stay safe, secure, and effective and allows our rangers to spend more time with visitors.
The park service provided the same rationale on Montezuma Castle National Monument’s cashless fee collection FAQ.

As of May 3, 2023, the following national parks, monuments and historic sites have switched to, or tested a cashless policy, reported Travel and Leisure:

 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
All their reasons don’t supersede the constitutional requirements!

They use this crap and color of law violations because they say so all the time and look where it has gotten us.

The founders intended for we the people to hold these bastards that want to rule over us to the fire. Not a bad idea really now is it?
 

Pinecone

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In Oregon, by law businesses must accept cash but the local hospital takes only cards in the cafeteria and deli. I pushed back, but you can only go so far with the cashier. He has no control over the company policy. I hope someone sues them. An attorney's wife maybe?
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
No chance. While money can be used for all debts, it doesn't say that anybody HAS to accept it.
I believe it does mean it has to be accepted because that’s what it means.

If it was up to me I’d been paid in silver or gold as in the original currency, but Nixon took us off that standard and moved us to fiat.

Cashless is just moving us to the beasts system and it will happen. Don’t like it but it is foretold.

Paper is paper and someday it will be like tulips, wampum and others. Not worth wiping with.
 

Peachy

Contributing Member
I noticed this at the parks last year. They were just floating the idea with "Card preferred". Needless to say I handed them cash.

I was a big thorn in their side the previous year when Glacier and Grand Teton required on-line reservations for camping. They act like they are doing you a big favor and wondered why I didn't already know about the reservations. I told them I've been camping there well over 25 years--why would I check their website; did the mountains move or something. The ranger wasn't amused. I now camp in the National Forest outside the parks. However those are slowly going on-line as well.

I hope they lose the lawsuit!
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
What part of "legal tender for all debts, public and private" is unclear? It's printed right there on the face of every FRN.

ETA: I have yet to see any card ( credit, debit or gift) indicate that it is legal tender for anything. The government recognizes that FRNs are "money", but not cards.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In Oregon, by law businesses must accept cash but the local hospital takes only cards in the cafeteria and deli. I pushed back, but you can only go so far with the cashier. He has no control over the company policy. I hope someone sues them. An attorney's wife maybe?
Had them the exact amount and walk away.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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They haven't taken cash at national parks in years. Since prior to covid. Some state parks are the same. I even know some county and city parks that don't take cash. And in some parks you have to pre-purchase your tickets, you can't buy tickets at the gate.

Here in many larger cities in Florida, you can't walk in and pay your property taxes in cash. You can't pay your utility bills in cash. In fact some of the utilities don't even have offices to accept payments at.
 

Lone Eagle Woman

Veteran Member
Good For Her and hope that she succeeds in the lawsuit. How many departments of the government ran by some faceless bureaucrat dedicated to the upcoming beast system is implementing things against the will of the American People. Another thing with the Federal Government is the widespread use of recreation.gov to book any campsite in many a national park or forest. And then charged with added fees by the owner Booz Allen. Deploreable in my opinion.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Going to a park is not a "debt" nor does it say on that fiat currency that people must accept it or else.

The plaintiff is going to lose the case based on what I've read so far. However, if it is framed some other way, as in it is a national park therefore they must find some way to accept the national currency in physical form, I can see it.

Another way is the same thing laundromats do ... they sell their own cards or tokens that can be used in their machines.

As far as a cashless society, if you use a debit card and/or cash card you are actually using digital dollars. If you write a check or wire transfer money you are using digital dollars. If you buy anything online you are using digital dollars. If you are depositing physical fiat currency into your bank you are converting it to digital dollars. If you sell your physical change at one of CoinStar devices, you are converting physical fiat currency into digital currency.

It won't be a "cash-less society." The form of the currency is going to change.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
They haven't taken cash at national parks in years. Since prior to covid. Some state parks are the same. I even know some county and city parks that don't take cash. And in some parks you have to pre-purchase your tickets, you can't buy tickets at the gate.

Here in many larger cities in Florida, you can't walk in and pay your property taxes in cash. You can't pay your utility bills in cash. In fact some of the utilities don't even have offices to accept payments at.
This obviously means there needs to be more lawsuits, if anyone won't accept government-sanctioned legal tender for a debt. More people need to point out in court what it says on the front of a FRN. And they would win.

The US government has the sole power to coin money for the country. They do not issue it in plastic form. Yet.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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This obviously means there needs to be more lawsuits, if anyone won't accept government-sanctioned legal tender for a debt. More people need to point out in court what it says on the front of a FRN. And they would win.

The US government has the sole power to coin money for the country. They do not issue it in plastic form. Yet.

Nope. The "legal tender" will change format. I've yet to see a successful lawsuit when they change the fiat currency/coinage to different forms/formats. I hate those blue hundred dollar bills. When you get a stack of brand new ones those blasted blue ribbons stick together. But they are still hundred dollar bills and the prior format slowly gets removed from circulation as they come into the bank.

Eventually, after issuing "cash cards" they will slowly remove all of the paper fiat currency and coinage out of circulation and only the cards will remain.

The national parks aren't refusing to accept US currency, they are just not in a position to accept physical fiat paper currency. They can however accept US currency, just in a digital format.

Yes, it is a matter of semantics but so is that statement that is printed on the physical paper fiat currency.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
University of Washington went cashless 2 years ago(I work on the Campus). Nobody even blinked. I've tried twice to add money to my digital Husky card(just to buy lunch at the dorm cafeterias) using Bitcoin but they say that they are not set up to use a digital currency yet. Uh, my Visa is a digital currency in a certain way of thinking. They claim to be on the forefront of societal changes, but I don't see it that way.

I hope she succeeds with the lawsuit Because she is correct about payments using legal tender.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
Nope. The "legal tender" will change format. I've yet to see a successful lawsuit when they change the fiat currency/coinage to different forms/formats. I hate those blue hundred dollar bills. When you get a stack of brand new ones those blasted blue ribbons stick together. But they are still hundred dollar bills and the prior format slowly gets removed from circulation as they come into the bank.

Eventually, after issuing "cash cards" they will slowly remove all of the paper fiat currency and coinage out of circulation and only the cards will remain.

The national parks aren't refusing to accept US currency, they are just not in a position to accept physical fiat paper currency. They can however accept US currency, just in a digital format.

Yes, it is a matter of semantics but so is that statement that is printed on the physical paper fiat currency.
Respectfully, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
When and if there is legislation to redefine types of legal tender, types and limits thereof, then maybe it's a different story.

Until then, that simple statement on an FRN is the only guarantee that makes US dollars universally accepted. We could not have a national currency without that guarantee. No one would have faith that a dollar in one state is worth the same in another, nor even accepted. I have yet to see an inscription on a digital dollar.

This specifically speaks back to a time in the late 1700s when a Virginia dollar had a different value than a North Carolina dollar.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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This is discriminatory against blacks. As is constantly shouted by dem politicians, requiring ID to vote is discriminatory because “many blacks don’t have a government issued ID.” However, it is necessary to have said ID in order to get a credit card or open a bank account to get a debit card.

Thus, these facilities are discriminatory.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
This is discriminatory against blacks. As is constantly shouted by dem politicians, requiring ID to vote is discriminatory because “many blacks don’t have a government issued ID.” However, it is necessary to have said ID in order to get a credit card or open a bank account to get a debit card.

Thus, these facilities are discriminatory.
Uh-huh. Like the ones in the stores buying 40s and cigars don't have an ID...
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
Not so sure. I think THE ISSUER might HAVE to take it.
Debts-public and private.

If you bill in "dollars", or sell a car to a buddy in "dollars", then you should be prepared to accept "dollars." Otherwise specify yuan, pesos or the currency of your choice.
 
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medic38572

TB Fanatic
In Oregon, by law businesses must accept cash but the local hospital takes only cards in the cafeteria and deli. I pushed back, but you can only go so far with the cashier. He has no control over the company policy. I hope someone sues them. An attorney's wife maybe?
And that right there is why you have all these auditors across the Country, standing up against the tyranny of the Government. Policy does not supercede law!
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
And that right there is why you have all these auditors across the Country, standing up against the tyranny of the Government. Policy does not supercede law!
And that is exactly why people should be pointing out all these stupid inconsistencies in court and elsewhere. The "government", lawmakers and policymakers are out of control. Especially in regard to the stupidity noted by Dennis above.
 

Peachy

Contributing Member
The post office is getting that "card preferred" attitude as well. They claim not to have "change"--so I show up with various denominations to give exact change.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
Some of y'all are trying to read more into that little saying on the front of the paper note than what it actually means. It simply means that it is a legal form of payment, NOT that it MUST BE ACCEPTED.
Case dismissed.
Huh? Legal form of payment literally implies that it must be accepted.
That little "saying" literally defines our currency standard.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Nope. The "legal tender" will change format. I've yet to see a successful lawsuit when they change the fiat currency/coinage to different forms/formats. I hate those blue hundred dollar bills. When you get a stack of brand new ones those blasted blue ribbons stick together. But they are still hundred dollar bills and the prior format slowly gets removed from circulation as they come into the bank.

Eventually, after issuing "cash cards" they will slowly remove all of the paper fiat currency and coinage out of circulation and only the cards will remain.

The national parks aren't refusing to accept US currency, they are just not in a position to accept physical fiat paper currency. They can however accept US currency, just in a digital format.

Yes, it is a matter of semantics but so is that statement that is printed on the physical paper fiat currency.
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Kathy knows more about this than I do, so I'll just take a few k out and buy ag with it. Maybe close the bank account and open another credit union account. Hmm...
 

Johnny Twoguns

Senior Member

In a lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Elizabeth Dasburg and two other plaintiffs allege the National Park Service is violating U.S. law by refusing to accept U.S. currency. Children’s Health Defense is financially backing the lawsuit.
By
Suzanne Burdick, Ph.D.
When Elizabeth Dasburg tried to use cash to pay the entry fee to the Fort Pulaski National Monument in Georgia, she was told that the site, part of the U.S. National Park Service, could accept cards only, no cash.

An employee suggested she go to the local grocery store or “big chains like Walmart” to purchase a gift card. “Since those are cards, we can accept them in leu [sic] of cash,” the site employee wrote.

Dasburg and two others who also were denied entrance to a national park unless they used a card to pay the entrance fee on Wednesday sued the National Park Service, challenging its cashless fee collection policy.

In a complaint filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, the plaintiffs allege the federal agency is violating U.S. law by refusing to accept U.S. currency as entry payment.

Children’s Health Defense (CHD) is financially supporting the lawsuit.

“CHD is excited to support attorney Ray Flores and the plaintiffs in this case to push back against the move toward a cashless society and central bank digital currency,” said Kim Mack Rosenberg, CHD general counsel.

“By forcing people to use credit cards or digital wallets, under the guise of convenience, the National Park Service becomes a player in the surveillance state, undermining park visitors’ privacy right,” Rosenberg said.

Flores told The Defender he found it “appalling” that “these pristine lands are the nation’s testing ground” for a cashless society.

The National Park Service has been implementing and expanding a cashless entry payment system over the past few years, Flores said.

Now, nearly 30 national parks, historic sites and monuments deny entrance to those who try to pay with cash, the complaint said. They accept only credit, debit and other electronic forms of payment, such as ApplePay.

The plaintiffs are asking the court to declare this practice unlawful, which would mean the National Park Service would be forced to let visitors pay with cash. They also seek relief for the cost of the suit, including attorney fees.

Defendants in the case are the National Park Service, the U.S. Department of the Interior — which oversees the National Park Service — and Charles F. Sams III in his official capacity as National Park Service director.

Denying cash violates federal law

According to the complaint, federal statute (U.S. Code Title 31, Section 5103) makes it clear that “United States coins and currency … are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues.”

U.S. currency is essentially “demonetized” when the National Park Service “erodes the dollar’s status as U.S. legal tender,” Flores said.

Catherine Austin Fitts — former federal housing commissioner at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and publisher of the “Solari Report” — told The Defender, “This lawsuit goes at the very heart of the war to preserve cash, and with it, our human and health freedoms.”

“Removing cash from circulation,” she said, “is an essential step to implementing a complete surveillance state that can shut off our money at will — as we saw happen to the Canadian Truckers — or take our assets and grab our land.”

Flores agreed. “Cashless is a key component — if not the lynchpin — of the surveillance state.”

Austin Fitts encouraged people to support the lawsuit “with your prayers and by using cash and supporting the businesses and organizations that continue to accept and promote cash.”

Cashless policy disadvantages low-income, minority families

Meanwhile, critics of the cashless policy — including CHD President Laura Bono — said refusing to let visitors pay with cash may disproportionately impact lower-income families and people of color.

Only half of low-income households have access to a credit card, according to a March 2022 Federal Reserve Bank of New York report, Bono wrote in a letter to National Park Service Director Charles F. Sams III.

The Government Accountability Office in April 2022 reported that Black and Hispanic households were about 60% less likely than white households to have a bank account. “This should trouble you as greatly as it does me,” Bono wrote.

Flores agreed. “Comforting platitudes of inclusivity, stewardship and welcome are exposed as a fraud when the National Park Service tells the poor and others with hard-earned cash-in-hand to stay out.”

Park service: Cashless fees help us ‘stay safe, secure’

The National Park Service did not immediately respond to The Defender’s request for comment about the lawsuit.

However, according to Mount Rainier National Park’s cashless fee collection FAQ, the park service phased out cash at the park “to be a better steward of our visitors’ dollars.”

The park service cited these reasons for the change:

  • Reduces the amount of time park staff spend managing cash (i.e. reduce our administrative burden).
  • Improves accountability, reduces the chance of errors, and allows the park to maximize funding available for visitor services and critical projects.
  • Reduces transaction times.
  • Cashless fee collection helps us stay safe, secure, and effective and allows our rangers to spend more time with visitors.
The park service provided the same rationale on Montezuma Castle National Monument’s cashless fee collection FAQ.

As of May 3, 2023, the following national parks, monuments and historic sites have switched to, or tested a cashless policy, reported Travel and Leisure:

I don't blame her at all. We have to all stand up to stop this steal of our rights to use money, and it's substitute, fiat.

I have a forever pass, but I use cash for almost everything except over the net.
 
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