Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
Yes. The colder it is the longer is will stay viable on surfaces, etc.
EBOLA What's your personal line in the sand re: Ebola?
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Yes. The colder it is the longer is will stay viable on surfaces, etc.
I have very few lines in the sand and Ebola isn't one of them.
You have to consider the threat, it is not usually an all or nothing threat and your response shouldn't be either.
Proportional threats demand proportional responses.
Also there are different levels of quarantine. It's not all or nothing either.
As others have said, a single case or two in Texas means very little.
When you see a cluster and it starts to happen in several areas, then you have a problem.
Now if I lived next door or across the street from patient 0 or any of the contacts he had, then I would have had a different response.
You have to consider the threat, it is not usually an all or nothing threat and your response shouldn't be either.
Proportional threats demand proportional responses.
Also there are different levels of quarantine. It's not all or nothing either.
As others have said, a single case or two in Texas means very little.
When you see a cluster and it starts to happen in several areas, then you have a problem.
Now if I lived next door or across the street from patient 0 or any of the contacts he had, then I would have had a different response.
eXe
Techno Junkie
Same here, I am only 60 miles away from Vegas in Pahrump, should something start in Vegas, its time to be very careful and limit public exposure and wait it out. We are heading into Vegas this weekend one day to stock up our freezers for a few months just to be careful. We get tons of tourists in town sadly in the one gas station I go to, so I may have to change stations as well. They are all headed to death valley mostly.
China Connection
TB Fanatic
Well I will quarantine as soon as I am dead in a box with any luck. I have the feeling to clear my debts in a hurry but.
ginnie6
Veteran Member
ok to take this a little further....how long will you quarantine for? As long as there are new cases? until all are declared ebola free? longer? and what if this does go into the animal population? We could be looking at outbreaks of this for years to come possibly. And at some point no matter how well we are prepared we will run out of things. What kind of world are we going to come out of quarantine to? and then again maybe they will contain it and it won't spread......
and yes I'm slightly freaked out over this...I need to into Charlotte today or tomorrow to fill in a few holes.
and yes I'm slightly freaked out over this...I need to into Charlotte today or tomorrow to fill in a few holes.
33dInd
Veteran Member
my daughter lives in dallas. FIrst negative.
My duaghter is a school teacher. Second negative.
She is a teacher at an elementary school. Third Negative.
Her elementary school is Dan Rodgers elementary........forth negative.
Gad damn this feckless disgrace of a president and his entire dysfunctionl government and the CDC.
My duaghter is a school teacher. Second negative.
She is a teacher at an elementary school. Third Negative.
Her elementary school is Dan Rodgers elementary........forth negative.
Gad damn this feckless disgrace of a president and his entire dysfunctionl government and the CDC.
rummer
Veteran Member
I am thinking when it hit's my state and more than one or two cases of non related (family etc) contacts. If it has hit my town then that may be a little too late.
rummer
Veteran Member
The airborne route would be a decision changer for me, i would quarantine as soon as it hits.
TerriHaute
Hoosier Gardener
When DD tells me its time. She is a VA doctor and also teaches at a medical school. She will know if it is turning into a pandemic ahead of the public, I hope, although she may very well be forbidden to say anything. In any case, I rely on her medical advice, she has always been right. And, there is a strong possibility that she will want to have her children stay with us at least part of the time if the schools close. We are rural enough that if we self-quarantine, we probably won't even see our neighbors. And we have plenty of places to chill out when we need a break from each other: basement, house, barn/workshop, greenhouse, garden. Fortunately, DH can telecommute for work pretty easily and his employer would be understanding about it.
closet squirrel
Veteran Member
rummer
Veteran Member
That's how long I would quarantine. We are a very mobile society and able to travel great distances in a short time period. If i self quarantine i would not un-quarantine until the US is clear and free of ebola. So now I am curious, how many have you truly quarantined at this point?
Straycat
Veteran Member
This is the real issue. I get the feeling a lot of people think it will be a one-time crisis that sweeps over the country and then goes away. I really don't think it's going to be that easy. I think we're going to be looking at scattered outbreaks that pop up in various places for years. If it goes into the animal population, it will never really go away.
Common sense precautions of avoiding crowds, sick people, etc. (like the flu) are good, but if this gets widespread I see two outcomes: 1) An effective vaccine/treatment is developed, or 2) anyone without a natural resistance to it dies off over the next decade.
Illini Warrior
Illini Warrior
you'll find out about the imposed martial law long before you ever get the correct info about a US pandemic .... look for the hints and rumors .... national guard being activated, Homeland Security at the hospitals, FEMA moving supplies, internet and media disruptions, VIPs changing schedules & canceling event appearances, ect ect
Straycat
Veteran Member
If it spreads widely, that might not happen. It might become something we see pop up every so often in various places for the next few decades.
rummer
Veteran Member
Correct on that, I did not think about it laying dormant.
jordansgrandma
Senior Member
My county and any of the surrounding counties.
I went out yesterday and filled a few holes, but
still have more to fill.
I went out yesterday and filled a few holes, but
still have more to fill.
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
I have a similar situation. Without getting into too much detail, my colleagues in healthcare would let me know once were at pandemic levels. And I could telework and or take time off. Wife home schools our children and we have a somewhat rural place to bug out to. Topping off the preps for that this week. Right now, I'm keeping eyes and ears open. If 50 or more cases hit the southern half of my county...I'm outta there. Of course if that was the case in south Cook county Illinois we'd probably be at pandemic levels already nationwide.
Hognutz
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Very good points! What if it does get into our animal population? What then? No more hunting deer,rabbits, etc.?
ChicagoMan74
ULTRA MAGA
And I call this^ keeping eyes and ears open...good post.
Dex
Constitutional Patriot
Only CERTAIN animals are known to be carriers and then that breaks down into different variants of EV. We don't have many monkeys in the US (don't go there) but we have pig farms and we have bats. The fruit bat is the most prevalently known in Africa, don't think we have those in the US. There is no telling whether it will cross into other species though. We are really in brand new territory here...anything is possible.
Kathy in WV
Down on the Farm...
I think we're all taking a crap shoot over the next 3 to 4 weeks. I think by the time you percieve it as a threat in your area, its probably too late to feel a guaranteed safety. All those people he probably infected as he walked through airports, rode in cabs and sat in the ER have all dispersed all over the country. Did one go home to your town? Subdivision? Apartment building? Work place?
Right now we're sitting here discussing this and I think for us it may be when a case hits this state. But even until it does I really have no desire to be out unless i have to. I need to make another supply run if theres time. Lots to think about.
ETA: Am aware of the pig vector. What about cattle poultry and equine? Deer?
Right now we're sitting here discussing this and I think for us it may be when a case hits this state. But even until it does I really have no desire to be out unless i have to. I need to make another supply run if theres time. Lots to think about.
ETA: Am aware of the pig vector. What about cattle poultry and equine? Deer?
maric
Short but deadly
It's the end of the world folks! My answer is the same as TerryK's!
alpha
Veteran Member
In consideration of the coming Winter flu season and the paranoia people will suffer as a result of this ebola outbreak as soon as we start having secondary transmissions, I suspect the hospitals will become overwhelmed rather quickly with both real and imagined cases. The test seems to take over 24 hours so I would anticipate hospitals sending people home to await test results. Surely this will enhance transmission much as the turnaways in Liberia and Sierra Leone. A net result of this will mean that "official" figures will become meaningless and by the time most here self quarantine, there's a high likelihood of exposure.
geoffs
Veteran Member
Living 40 miles outside of New York city any breakouts there would put me on full alert. Many residents of our town commute to the city daily for work including several of my kids. My youngest son, 24, is an FDNY paramedic in Queens, so I worry about him the most. I guess how it's happening and where will determine what my family does. Our kids in their 30's have babies to worry about so I know they wouldn't take any risks with it!
That is a chilling point you have brought up. How will they ever be able to tell the difference between people sick from the flu and people coming down with Ebola? I do not even want to imagine this to its hopeless conclusion. God help us all.
Fred's Horseradish
Membership Revoked
Dennis, how many ebola threads do we need?
This is getting to be the ebola paranoia site.
This is getting to be the ebola paranoia site.
Somehow, I am unconvinced it's paranoia. If you want to see real paranoia, I suggest surfing over to GLP or ATS. Those sites can provide you with something to compare against...
Although you have a point that there are a bunch on Main. I'll see what I can come up with by way of consolidation. But some of the individual threads are potentially hugely important.
As a point of reference....for the current outbreak here is what we saw in the early months of this outbreak in West Africa...beginning in March when the WHO first started counting...the outbreak actually began in late December so these end of March numbers are 3 months in.
The numbers are the simple "average new cases per day" taking the total cases for that month and dividing by the number of days in the month. In reality the daily rate was lower at the beginning of the month and higher at the end of the month.
March - 4 per day
April - 3 per day
May - 6 per day
June - 11 per day
July - 19 per day*
August - 76 per day*
September - 120 per day*
*Numbers were getting less and less accurate as admitted by WHO during these months.
You can extrapolate backwards knowing that the single index case was in late December...most likely January was likely 1-2 cases per week. February was probably in the range of 1-2 cases per day. This ultimately does fit a fairly consistent mathematical formula.
dimensiondancer
Inactive
When it comes to my city.
Oh wait,!!! I live in Dallas and work 3 blocks from the Presbyterian Hospital and across the street from EMT station 37!
Everyone was at work Wednesday morning. I had to be there or else. I took a day of vacation today, have to go in tomorrow. No one was wearing masks or gloves.
So, when it hits you may have to change your mind or go broke. It sounds great, but the reality is you do as you are told or lose your job, house, car and future. Jobs don't come easy.
So, good luck with that. Tell me how it works for you.
Oh wait,!!! I live in Dallas and work 3 blocks from the Presbyterian Hospital and across the street from EMT station 37!
Everyone was at work Wednesday morning. I had to be there or else. I took a day of vacation today, have to go in tomorrow. No one was wearing masks or gloves.
So, when it hits you may have to change your mind or go broke. It sounds great, but the reality is you do as you are told or lose your job, house, car and future. Jobs don't come easy.
So, good luck with that. Tell me how it works for you.
But you lose EVERYTHING if you die.
dimensiondancer
Inactive
Well, I'm going to die eventually. Just saying that in Dallas no one is changing anything, they are all marching around pretending to ignore what's happening.
I really don't think every person in Dallas will go into self imposed quarantine, although I sort of wish they would.
Now, if more cases crop up, like 10 or 20, more people will consider it. I noticed no one wished to discuss it yesterday at work.
When I die, it will all be over. Slowly starving to death and being thrown into living in the streets due to job and asset loss, you will die quickly too. Probably of Ebola.
Ah, the choices.
I really don't think every person in Dallas will go into self imposed quarantine, although I sort of wish they would.
Now, if more cases crop up, like 10 or 20, more people will consider it. I noticed no one wished to discuss it yesterday at work.
When I die, it will all be over. Slowly starving to death and being thrown into living in the streets due to job and asset loss, you will die quickly too. Probably of Ebola.
Ah, the choices.
Loon
Inactive
My guess is that if they are unable to contain this Ebola and we get up to hundreds or thousands of cases your plan to travel anywhere will fail. The government will post troops on every expressway and block anyone in or out of highly infected towns and cities. It can happy very fast too. Plans are in place for such scenarios and it has been done before.
My two sons don't live with us....about 1/2 hour away........one could telework !!! and the other has such a minimal job that to quit would be sensible if this thing goes nuts........my dh substitute teaches at H.S. so it would mean no income...............other than SS........wow.....great choices.......
IMO total quarantine would only be considered if we received a word from the Lord and cases being validated up and down the Front Range here in Colorado........the nearer it gets the tighter the precautions...
IMO total quarantine would only be considered if we received a word from the Lord and cases being validated up and down the Front Range here in Colorado........the nearer it gets the tighter the precautions...
Straycat
Veteran Member
This is what it's going to boil down to. Do you bug out and lose your job when no one else in your area is taking it seriously, and you may or may not ever be exposed in the first place? Do you bug out for a couple of months, the flare dies out, you go back and then it flares up again?
The reality is that no matter what city ebola ends up in, you still have to pay your bills and deal with the outside world somewhat. Your bills and responsibilities won't stop just because of scattered outbreaks, no matter how scary that may be. If it becomes widespread enough to kill millions of people in the US and collapse the system, every single person outside your home and every surface is a possible contaminant. Are you going to remain in quarantine for the rest of your life?
Bottom line - we all die someday. Take some reasonable, common sense precautions like avoiding crowds, but otherwise live your life for however long you have.
rummer
Veteran Member
Very true people do need their jobs in order to stay afloat. I do suspect a large number of posters here are retired and collecting social security and or pensions, so it is much easier for them to self quarantine.