DISASTER Want Boiling Blood? Watch TSA Screener Accost 3 Year Old Girl at Security Checkpoint
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45nut
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What this reminds me of is Nazi Germany herding Jews into the "showers" , fully stripped of their dignity the poor souls submitted, complied and obeyed all orders.
TSA searches are but one further step in the agenda.
They may as well have everyone strip down and walk into the gas chambers now.
TSA searches are but one further step in the agenda.
They may as well have everyone strip down and walk into the gas chambers now.
helen
Panic Sex Lady
Group project: Pick two consecutive days and don't fly anywhere.
If the airlines don't back off invasive TSA security measures, pick three consecutive days and don't fly anywhere.
Still not happy? Pick a week and don't fly anywhere.
At some point, economic considerations may drive the changes in screening that you want to see.
But watch out. The next penis-bomb may succeed.
Panic Sex Lady doesn't fly ... she's saving herself for The Panic ...
If the airlines don't back off invasive TSA security measures, pick three consecutive days and don't fly anywhere.
Still not happy? Pick a week and don't fly anywhere.
At some point, economic considerations may drive the changes in screening that you want to see.
But watch out. The next penis-bomb may succeed.
Panic Sex Lady doesn't fly ... she's saving herself for The Panic ...
MaureenO
Another Infidel
Well, the other day Drudge ran a header under a pic of a nun being patted down at the airport that read "The Terrorists Have Won."
They couldn't have been more correct had they tried.
Even on this board, some think the "real" terrorists are our own .gov and they are partly correct. But they're not the only reason for the scans and pat downs. A lot of the TSA screeners don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. And a lot of them are the same screeners who were employed on 9/10/2001.
The enemy is jihad. It's that simple. Who crashed the airliners into the Pentagon, PA, and WTC? Who strapped an IED onto his genitals? Who loaded viable IEDs into cargo planes bound for the US?
As long as the jihadists manage their workarounds, the US has to plan for them, now matter how much we, the people, are incensed.
I have no doubt that some TSA screeners really LOVE their work, but think about how gruesome it is for others who reach into the britches of people who have not bathed in a month.
What solutions have any of you to offer that does something to protect our dignity yet provides a level of security for our air travel? I suggest (at minimum) a private, lone occupant screening booth to start.
Drudge was correct. The terrorists have won. There was no way they could lose and they knew that. They have been planning this for a very long time.
Maureen
They couldn't have been more correct had they tried.
Even on this board, some think the "real" terrorists are our own .gov and they are partly correct. But they're not the only reason for the scans and pat downs. A lot of the TSA screeners don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. And a lot of them are the same screeners who were employed on 9/10/2001.
The enemy is jihad. It's that simple. Who crashed the airliners into the Pentagon, PA, and WTC? Who strapped an IED onto his genitals? Who loaded viable IEDs into cargo planes bound for the US?
As long as the jihadists manage their workarounds, the US has to plan for them, now matter how much we, the people, are incensed.
I have no doubt that some TSA screeners really LOVE their work, but think about how gruesome it is for others who reach into the britches of people who have not bathed in a month.
What solutions have any of you to offer that does something to protect our dignity yet provides a level of security for our air travel? I suggest (at minimum) a private, lone occupant screening booth to start.
Drudge was correct. The terrorists have won. There was no way they could lose and they knew that. They have been planning this for a very long time.
Maureen
dissimulo
Membership Revoked
Yeah, being groped would be so much better in a private booth.
We will never be secure, so we might as well retain our dignity.
nharrold
Deceased
The Israelis seem to be doing well with their system. Maybe we could learn something from them.
Nahhhh........ That would require some independent thought from the morons in TSA.
MaureenO
Another Infidel
MaureenO
Another Infidel
I'm all for taking lessons from El Al. Did I indicate I'm not crazy about TSA and their "agents" who have had numerous opportunities to be properly trained and refused?
As an example of my sincerity I DID state I would be willing to strip naked at the airport to prove my dedication to the safety of others. As a matter of fact, I think ALL of us women should strip naked and prance through security to blind the jihadists who are there and doom them all to hell. It's not .gov who wants the floor show, it's jihad joe. I say let's spit in his filthy eye.
Helen, forget our trip to Victoria's Secret, we won't need knickers for this mission.
Mo
dragonslayer2001
Inactive
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"The Terrorists Have Won."
au contraire. the oligarchs and those that bow to them think the Ptb have won. They haven't, and this is just another GIANT step towards tyranny, but it is not going to happen.
The PEOPLE have had enough.
It just hasn't become obvious enough yet.
How the oligarchs must hate the internet and independent Paines.
As for stripping naked at an airport, I'd rather XXXXXX the gropers than submit to such indignity for fear of some nebulous bogey man with a turban supposedly living in a cave.
Good GOD, if some if you people would study the history of FREE Americans as our ancestors used to live and DEMAND from their elected officials.
Oh, yeah, we don't have them anymore, we have "rulers" now.
"The Terrorists Have Won."
au contraire. the oligarchs and those that bow to them think the Ptb have won. They haven't, and this is just another GIANT step towards tyranny, but it is not going to happen.
The PEOPLE have had enough.
It just hasn't become obvious enough yet.
How the oligarchs must hate the internet and independent Paines.
As for stripping naked at an airport, I'd rather XXXXXX the gropers than submit to such indignity for fear of some nebulous bogey man with a turban supposedly living in a cave.
Good GOD, if some if you people would study the history of FREE Americans as our ancestors used to live and DEMAND from their elected officials.
Oh, yeah, we don't have them anymore, we have "rulers" now.
MaureenO
Another Infidel
DS, you know I think the world of you, but remember two words and what they entailed---Lady + Godiva.
Can you visualise the headlines?
Mo
Rucus Sunday
Veteran Member
We've been over this ground before, Maureen, and it seems you've learned nothing in the interim. There is a point where "anything in the name of safety" becomes a pretense for, "shut up, line up, and give me your papers." I will acknowledge your good fortune, however, in having chosen to live in a state that actually propogates such crap, even as it circles the turlet bowl of bankruptcy. Happy you're not an LEO in my state, Maureen.
MaureenO
Another Infidel
Now that you've made it personal, Mr or Ms Sunday, I will remind you one more time what I've said before---
To protect your life I will endanger my own life willingly. I am willing to be spat upon in the course of my duties (and have been), I have set myself between the bad guys to protect the good guys even if doing so causes the end of my own life.
Presenting myself naked at the airport security point would be a breeze (no pun intended) if it allows you a safer flight.
What exactly is it that I don't understand, Mr or Ms Sunday?
Is it more to my benefit to die than to be cold for a few moments if it accommodates air passengers' safety? Or are you suggesting I abide by no man's rule and board whatever plane I choose with no security checks?
Times have changed, Mr or Ms Sunday. My grandparents (if they were still alive) can no longer leave their car keys in the ignition anymore; no one can sleep at night behind unlocked doors, and you can't accept any Halloween treat that isn't commercially sealed.
I never said I liked those new security regulations, but I will abide by them. You can thank folks like Omar Faroq for some of those new rules.
Maureen
Chair Warmer
Membership Revoked
Posted by MaureenO
What solutions have any of you to offer that does something to protect our dignity yet provides a level of security for our air travel? I suggest (at minimum) a private, lone occupant screening booth to start.
Drudge was correct. The terrorists have won. There was no way they could lose and they knew that. They have been planning this for a very long time.
Maureen
From the thread; TSA- Testicle Squeezing Authority? Total Sexual Assault?
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
That's about the size of it. I hate it every bit as bad as everyone else does.
Mo
You don't "hate" it, you admitted you'd roll over and take it.
..and Rucus Sunday didn't make it personal.
You have GOT to be kidding me?
OK... For "my safety", I need you to take an RFID implant to prove you aren't a "terrorist". For "my safety", I need you to trot on down and enter the nearest FEMA camp when instructed to do so. For "my safety", I need you to give up all your constitutional rights ....
I have news for you, my safety does not depend on someone playing the knight in shining armor and sacrificing their God given rights in some pseudo-martydom.
My safety depends on people standing up to this progressive tyranny and saying "ENOUGH"!
" And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward. "
—- Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago
News flash - These checkpoints aren't about "safety" they are about control.
Here are the true patriots, not the people who are .gov lap-dogs and tools who will roll over and "take it up the arse" ( quite literally, if we don't stop this now ).
TSA Hit With Lawsuits As Revolt Explodes
November 17, 2010
The TSA has been hit with a number of lawsuits as the revolt against Big Sis, naked body scanners, and invasive groping measures explodes, with one case involving a woman who had her blouse pulled down in full public view by TSA goons who then proceeded to laugh and joke about her exposed breasts.
Nationwide outrage against the TSA is not only bringing to light new cases of airport abuse, it’s throwing fresh attention on previous incidents that have been going on for years.
One of the most disturbing, which is subject to an ongoing lawsuit, involved a 21-year-old college student from Amarillo Texas. The woman was passing through security at Corpus Christi airport on May 29 2008 when she was subjected to “extended search procedures” by the TSA.
“As the TSA agent was frisking plaintiff, the agent pulled the plaintiff’s blouse completely down, exposing plaintiffs’ breasts to everyone in the area,” the lawsuit said. “As would be expected, plaintiff was extremely embarrassed and humiliated.”
http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-10-11/lawsuit-airport-search-indecent
TSA workers continued to laugh and joke about the incident “for an extended period of time,” leaving the woman distraught and needing to be consoled. After the woman re-entered the boarding area, TSA workers continued to humiliate her over the incident.
“One male TSA employee expressed to the plaintiff that he wished he would have been there when she came through the first time and that ‘he would just have to watch the video,’” the suit said.
The woman filed an administrative claim against the TSA but was forced to launch a full lawsuit after the agency failed to respond.
The incident bears similarities to a 2002 case involving a pregnant woman who had her breasts exposed by TSA agents in public. Her husband was thrown in the airport jail for complaining about the treatment of his wife.
http://lewrockwell.com/orig3/monahan1.html
Another lawsuit against the TSA involves Ron Corbett, a businessman and frequent traveler who is so infuriated by the plethora of cases where TSA workers have sexually groped passengers, squeezing breasts and genitals, that he has filed a lawsuit in federal court in Miami requesting an injunction against the TSA to prevent them from touching private areas without reasonable suspicion.
Corbett writes about his lawsuit on a blog entitled TSA Out Of Our Pants.
http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/
“Having grown up in New York and personally seeing the smoke rise from the towers that morning in 2001, I know the threat of terrorism is real, and I know we must defend ourselves. This does not mean that the Constitution should be ignored, and indeed, the TSA has plenty of alternative screening procedures that are less invasive. Besides the privacy issue, there have been health issues raised as to the radiation produced by the imaging devices, as well as efficacy issues, with no good studies having been done to show that this imagery makes us any safer,” writes Corbett.
Yet another lawsuit involves The Rutherford Institute, which is suing the feds on behalf of two pilots over the use of full body scanners.
“Those pilots recently refused to go through a controversial whole body imaging scanner, and also refused the alternative, the TSA’s new, more invasive pat downs,” reports CBS 6. http://www.wtvr.com/news/wtvr-ruthe...awsuit-full-body-scan-airport,0,6766717.story
The lawsuit, which personally names both TSA chief John Pistole and DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano, argues that the scanners violate the Constitution’s protection against unreasonable searches and seizures under the 4th Amendment.
The TSA could also be hit with a fourth lawsuit if they pursue an $11,000 claim against John Tyner, otherwise known as “don’t touch my junk guy”. Speaking on The Alex Jones Show yesterday, Tyner insisted he would file a counter lawsuit if the TSA continued to pursue him over his refusal to submit to an airport groping.
Another victim, radio host Owen JJ Stone, who had a TSA agent put his hand inside his pants and touch his backside and genitalia, has not indicated he will pursue charges, but has vowed instead to use his treatment as an example of why the TSA needs to be stopped in its tracks or abolished altogether.
Pistole faces another grilling from lawmakers today on Capitol Hill at a Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/11/17/airport.security/
I'm wondering, with all your unbelievable willingness to cave at every government provocation, if the membership here isn't being set up for another bet between you and your co-workers to see how many would be willing to undergo this further erosion of our costitutional rights.
We've been down that road before, haven't we?
Chair Warmer
Membership Revoked
When there are better common sense solutions TPTB REFUSE to implement in lieu of assaulting us then it does lead us to think their only motive must be control.
I've serioulsy wondered if TPTB are trying to implement some kind of "MK Ultra program" on a widespread mass scale. Breaking down a person's psyche in such a way results in making them submissive.
Here's some info. On Mk Ultra;
The published evidence indicates that Project MKULTRA involved the use of many methodologies to manipulate individual mental states and alter brain function, including the surreptitious administration of drugs and other chemicals, sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKULTRA
Also research the horrible child abuses of Project Monarch and how they turned children into gov't slaves.
Mrs.Cw
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MaureenO
Another Infidel
I know your post is best left unanswered by me, but there are many people I know here at TB -- some from only here and others from the meat world so I will respond.
I'm as devoted to your life and I am to my own. This is not because of my chosen profession, but because it's not my nature to stand outside the fire and do nothing but watch those inside the fire suffer and burn.
Maybe I can simplify that. If I am your next door neighbour and I see fire on the roof of your home whilst you're gone, I will not just dial 911. I will turn on my hoses, give one to each of my kids, and no matter how much more it adds to my own water bill, we will attempt to stop the fire engulfing your home. If I get burned in the process, I can take comfort knowing I helped save your home and belongings.
As far as pre-flight security checks, I am also willing to sacrifice some of my modesty if it means other people will endure less danger in flight. My modesty means less to me than your life does. It's a small sacrifice. My modesty, your life--which is most relevant?
Had I lived during the time when military service was mandatory, I would have responded to the draft. It was the law.
It does not violate my freedom to give the grocer money for my purchases. It's the law.
My freedom is not violated when the DMV demands I pay to register my vehicle and when they demand I get a driving license to drive on public roads. It's the law.
My freedom is not impinged when I am demanded to pay sales taxes. It's the law.
Nor is it violated when the school district demands my kids be educated. I have the freedom to decide how and where they will be educated.
We are a nation of laws and we have the freedom to break those laws, but not without paying a price. If we break the laws, we pay the price one way or another.
The list is endless but when someone uses their freedom to break those laws and steal your vehicle, kidnap your child, rob your house, he or she will pay the price when apprehended.
Would you prefer I not take this person into custody when he or she violates the laws in place to protect you and your loved ones?
If I have not explained myself clearly enough, I apologise, but it's the best I can with the words I know. Bottom line: I will offer up my modesty to protect your life.
Maureen
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
I know your post is best left unanswered by me, but there are many people I know here at TB -- some from only here and others from the meat world so I will respond.
I'm as devoted to your life and I am to my own. This is not because of my chosen profession, but because it's not my nature to stand outside the fire and do nothing but watch those inside the fire suffer and burn.
Maybe I can simplify that. If I am your next door neighbour and I see fire on the roof of your home whilst you're gone, I will not just dial 911. I will turn on my hoses, give one to each of my kids, and no matter how much more it adds to my own water bill, we will attempt to stop the fire engulfing your home. If I get burned in the process, I can take comfort knowing I helped save your home and belongings.
As far as pre-flight security checks, I am also willing to sacrifice some of my modesty if it means other people will endure less danger in flight. My modesty means less to me than your life does. It's a small sacrifice. My modesty, your life--which is most relevant?
Had I lived during the time when military service was mandatory, I would have responded to the draft. It was the law.
It does not violate my freedom to give the grocer money for my purchases. It's the law.
My freedom is not violated when the DMV demands I pay to register my vehicle and when they demand I get a driving license to drive on public roads. It's the law.
My freedom is not impinged when I am demanded to pay sales taxes. It's the law.
Nor is it violated when the school district demands my kids be educated. I have the freedom to decide how and where they will be educated.
We are a nation of laws and we have the freedom to break those laws, but not without paying a price. If we break the laws, we pay the price one way or another.
The list is endless but when someone uses their freedom to break those laws and steal your vehicle, kidnap your child, rob your house, he or she will pay the price when apprehended.
Would you prefer I not take this person into custody when he or she violates the laws in place to protect you and your loved ones?
If I have not explained myself clearly enough, I apologise, but it's the best I can with the words I know. Bottom line: I will offer up my modesty to protect your life.
Maureen
As usual, you compare apples to oranges to distract from the argument.
The list you gave has absolutely nothing to do with the OP of TSA's violations of the Constitution and, perhaps, breaking the law themselves.
We are a nation of laws, so many in fact, that it is impossible to know them all.
Funny how the .gov gets a free pass on obeying the law, though? I'm reminded of a quote about the more laws a government has, the more corrupt that government is.
How about you keep your modesty because giving it up isn't going to do me a lick of good when it comes to my saety, 'kay?
ArmyOfFive
Inactive
That smells like bullshit to me.
I've got a law for you- eye for a friggin eye. The way it used to be, the way it should be.
Chair Warmer
Membership Revoked
The point of researching Project Monarch is this;
Sexually assaulting someone repeatedly makes them fearful and submissive, here in the TSA's case that would be by sexual voyeurism or sexual touching. Just look at how victims of abuse try to appease the abuser, even to the point of destroying their own psyche as a coping mechanism of survival. We should not allow ourselves to become sexual assault victims of our government.
Just because you are happy and willing to comply, does not mean it's any less of a sexual assault to someone who feels coerced or forced into this violation of their sexuality.
What makes it more damaging is that a government agency is the perpetrator and the citizen has no recourse. State sanctioned sexual assault is the ultimate vulnerability. At least with a civilian you may defend yourself by kicking them in the groin or pressing charges against them.
If we do not even own the right over our bodies to not be sexually assaulted, then we essentially have no rights left and have nothing left to lose.
Mrs.Cw
Sexually assaulting someone repeatedly makes them fearful and submissive, here in the TSA's case that would be by sexual voyeurism or sexual touching. Just look at how victims of abuse try to appease the abuser, even to the point of destroying their own psyche as a coping mechanism of survival. We should not allow ourselves to become sexual assault victims of our government.
Just because you are happy and willing to comply, does not mean it's any less of a sexual assault to someone who feels coerced or forced into this violation of their sexuality.
What makes it more damaging is that a government agency is the perpetrator and the citizen has no recourse. State sanctioned sexual assault is the ultimate vulnerability. At least with a civilian you may defend yourself by kicking them in the groin or pressing charges against them.
If we do not even own the right over our bodies to not be sexually assaulted, then we essentially have no rights left and have nothing left to lose.
Mrs.Cw
MaureenO
Another Infidel
Perhaps you need a new nose or walk a day in the boots of someone else.
An eye for an eye. Does that mean if someone murders your child you are justified in killing theirs? I know that isn't what you meant, I wanted you to see with your own eyes how distorted the written or spoken word can be by using your exemplar.
Maureen
MaureenO
Another Infidel
In OB-GYN offices daily we allow perfect strangers access to our feminine anatomy for our own safety and health and yet who views that as sexual battery? Some docs really do sexually molest girls and women, as do dentists. Most of the time their crimes are not even reported.
Men allow (and pay for) total strangers to explore their anal passages for prostate health. Those men don't know what those docs are thinking.
This country and others have had extremists using body cavities as smuggling orifices for drugs and bombs and explosive materials. WHY NOT BLAME THEM for this latest "assault" against us???
THEY'RE the ones who caused this intrusion. THEY killed our people and will continue to do so. They knew they couldn't lose and they see they were correct. If they smuggle explosives or poisons on board an aircraft or if their efforts to do so cause us to feel victimised, they win either way. They brag about it.
We've got enemies within the government, all right, but most of the enemies we have are islamic extremists, not TSA "officers."
I "follow" those bastards all over the world and I know what they are and what they plan to do. I'm not the only one here who does. BTW, the bad guys are watching us as closely as we're watching them. Modesty is the least of our concerns.
Maureen
Chair Warmer
Membership Revoked
The differences between sexual exams and exploration and a sex crime is - consent. Noncriminals obtain consent. Criminals use coercion and force.
This country and others have had extremists using body cavities as smuggling orifices for drugs and bombs and explosive materials. WHY NOT BLAME THEM for this latest "assault" against us???
THEY'RE the ones who caused this intrusion. THEY killed our people and will continue to do so. They knew they couldn't lose and they see they were correct. If they smuggle explosives or poisons on board an aircraft or if their efforts to do so cause us to feel victimised, they win either way. They brag about it.
We've got enemies within the government, all right, but most of the enemies we have are islamic extremists, not TSA "officers."
I "follow" those bastards all over the world and I know what they are and what they plan to do. I'm not the only one here who does. BTW, the bad guys are watching us as closely as we're watching them. Modesty is the least of our concerns.
Maureen
The exremists aren't sexually assaulting most everyone who enters an airplane, the TSA is. So I'm not sure the extremists seem to be the worse threat anymore. Personally, I'm more disturbed that if I were to fly I'd be sexually assaulted than the possibility the plane might blow up and I think many other people are feeling that way as well. It's more than just a morality issue when you have a hand placed on your privates against your will, it is then called sexual assault and has been a very serious crime up until now.
Changing laws does not change whether someone is a victim or not. In Islaamic countries they marry 8 year olds and they are victims nomatter what the laws say. The 3 year old was a sexual assault victim of the TSA at the hands of her parents.
Mrs.Cw
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MaureenO
Another Infidel
Mrs CW, I completely understand what you mean and I'm upset, too, but those f-ing jihadis caused this ever increasing level of scrutiny against our bodies because of THEIR actions, not yours and mine.
The day can't come soon enough for those jihad joes to be in the deep freeze with tags on their toes.
They played us on 9/11 and they're playing us now. It's called "divide and conquer," and they're a few points ahead.
Myself, I'd insist on a female screener and a privacy screen. I would not use the full-body scanner. Men can have the male screeners.
As for my kids, they should be told why the screener needs to pat them down by their mums, not the screeners. That's our jobs as parents.
Maureen
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Full Frontal Nudity Doesn’t Make Us Safer: Abolish the TSA
http://blogs.forbes.com/artcarden/2...-nudity-doesnt-make-us-safer-abolish-the-tsa/
PETITION TO STOP 'ENHANCED' AIRPORT SCREENING TECHNIQUES NOW
http://www.wnd.com/airportscreening
San Mateo DA Steve Wagstaffe Promises to Prosecute Overly Touchy Pat Downs
http://www.bermanpost.com/2010/11/san-mateo-da-steve-wagstaffe-promises.html
Soros & Chertoff Make a Killing On Controversial TSA Scanners
http://rightnetwork.com/links/980191383
Ron Paul Unleashes On TSA: “Enough Is Enough”
http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-unleashes-on-tsa-enough-is-enough/
Rep. Duncan Blasts TSA “Pat Downs,” Chertoff’s Body Scanner ties
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-dpkJZiOM
Florida airport to opt out of TSA screening
http://www.examiner.com/libertarian-in-national/florida-airport-to-opt-out-of-tsa-screening
GOP lawmaker: Full-body scanners violate Fourth Amendment
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...r-full-body-scanners-violate-fourth-amendment
John Hopkins University: "Backscatter machines will cause skin cancer"
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/Naked+scanners+airports+dangerous+scientists/3819955/story.html
TSA security officers flunk physics
http://www.naturalnews.com/030395_TSA_X-rays.html
All TSA Radiation Is Dangerous
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/69246.html
Body scanners have 'mutagenic effects'
http://www.zdnet.com.au/body-scanners-have-mutagenic-effects-339307191.htm?omnRef=NULL
Guess what, Maureen?
Our houses are burning!
Quit being such a tool and grab the hose and stand up for what is right!
...damn...
It's Not Just About Flying
How short the public's memory is! Does anyone remember their first outrageous move? On September 10, 2001 we had 17 people on something called The No-Fly List.
However thanks to a Bush instituted national and illegal spying program against every single US citizen that began in February of 2001, seven months before 911; so that within a year of 911 we had close to a million people on the NO-FLY List. This super-secret list had no parameters and was CLASSIFIED. If you were on it no one could tell you why your name was there and there was absolutely no-way to get your name removed: This was their first intrusive and illegal action taken to interfere with people that wanted or needed to fly in this country. And the whole damned thing was totally unconstitutional; yet no one really challenged it because it was all secret and there was no one to answer any questions within or even outside the government.
That was followed by the passage at four o'clock in the morning of the USA Patriot Act, which managed not to be read before passage, but which virtually assured the government access to all your money IF they suspected you of anything to do with terrorism.
The obscenities inside the airports that had begun with scanners was followed by the removal of shoes based on a "bogus shoe-bomber" which forced people to remove their shoes and gave a boost to a "heightened security awareness." That ridiculous affair was followed by another false-flag event which was created by the US government that put a "bomber" on a plane without a passport (the government then filmed him throughout the flight) and then they had him arrested when a firecracker went off in his underwear (doing little to no damage) but creating this entire charade regarding the searching of everyone's genitals for bombs etc. (including but not limited to pregnant women and babies in scenes right out of Orwell's 1984.
By this time the body scanners had already been purchased at the urging of the former head of Homeland Security a dual-passport carrying Israeli-citizen named Chertoff who has made billions off of devices he has been involved in selling to Homeland Security during and after his "watch" was completed.
Each time "security gets heightened, the reason always turns out to be some bogus bullshit created by Homeland Security itself: usually something that involves their "FAILURE TO DETECT or to Stop something that they can then 'claim' requires a heightened SECURITY ALERT. A child could see through this obvious ploy to get more money, to terrify more people, and to intensify their own intrusions into the daily life of ordinary people. But apparently Americans are incapable of being able to look upon this situation with clear and open eyes: Because when you do that you can easily see that "We, the public" are being played like a cheap guitar" for no real reason except to further degrade our own opinion of ourselves-and to insure that we NEVER QUESTION anything from any of the thugs in a TSA uniform.
That is where we are today; but here's the kicker. Firstly TSA is expanding into VIPER which will take their road-show to the bus terminals and train stations of America and that will end freedom of movement throughout the nation. But there's the part that few have actually noticed. Up until now these procedures have only been publicly used at the airports and at a few bus terminals: But the plan is to use them at all government offices as well. That might sound tame but think about that for one silent minute! That means that every time you have to go to court, to the police station or the tax office you will be subjected to Chertoff's-Curse and in most of those cases there will be NO ALTERNATIVE to the scanner and the pat-down; because if you do not appear at the government office-then guess what-It's jail or worse!
You see this has never been just about flying which TSA says is "not a right but a privilege" which they can disallow at will. So if Americans do not stop this continuing molestation and invasion of our fundamental rights: Then very soon there will be no alternative whatsoever to protect people from this virtually unlimited snooping and scanning and molestation that will be carried out by VIPER-Teams all over the country-and it will no longer matter why you will be subjected to these searches-the very fact that you disagree with them will be enough to jail you on the spot.
This is what this whole masquerade has always been about from long before anyone even knew that Bush was spying on every single person in this country-illegally. Because there was NO PUBLIC OUTCRY when the truth was revealed, about his theft of the presidency or his absence on 911 due to his being detained by second-graders while the towers burned. Or when it was finally announced that he had secretly order spying on everyone in the United States, illegally, and completely without any cause whatsoever in February of 2001. So when it came time to institute the scanners at the airports; the government began to treat the public like the CRIMINALS that they have always believed most people really are-how else could you have over two million people on a list that began with only 17 people * and then move on to automatically searching every single person that books a flight on an airplane; regardless of age or infirmities?
What is happening now is just the final phase before they shut us all down and forbid us to travel at all without their approval: Having completely forgotten that they work for us and we did NOT approve of what they have decided to do TO everyone of us.
We must take back this country by firing the head of TSA, the Secretary of Homeland Security and we must locate and charge everyone in the congress or the government that is profiting directly from this illegal and shabby attempt to carry out a government coup against what's left of this Republic!
Here's something Becky Akers said about the nature of these vile policies:
"Standing Up to the TSA - excerpts Becky Akers, 11/17/10
Are you still flying? Why? For your own protection and that of your children, for liberty's sake, stay on the ground until Congress abolishes the TSA. No destination on earth or convenience in reaching it, no vacation, Thanksgiving dinner, meeting or sales trip, is worth the degradation the TSA is dishing out. ... Such mass
mauling is unprecedented. No regime anywhere at any time, however totalitarian or brutal, has ever routinely denuded and molested
citizens.
Don't underestimate the trauma of such aggression nor succumb to the TSA's bland assurances that a screener "of the same gender" will paw you. We're talking sexual assault here, not a few moments of discomfort you'll quickly forget. Feelings of rage and helplessness, depression and worthlessness, can plague victims for months. ...
It's one thing for a predator to force your submission at gunpoint; it's another to voluntarily enter an airport and endure the TSA's
onslaught. Knowing that you could have avoided it entirely but instead cooperated with your assailants and even paid them to violate you will cripple you with despair. ...
As you value your life, as you value liberty, don't fly. We must boycott aviation until the TSA dies. Nor should we settle for a mere suspension of the agency's ogling and groping. Our goal is nothing less than the TSA's complete abolition; so long as it survives, it will await its chance -- or create one -- to molest us again. ...
Stripped of its marble monuments and fluttering flags, the State exposes its utter evil each time a screener torments a toddler or "groin-checks" another citizen. As the TSA denudes us, government is nakedly on display."
Our choices are clear * we must resist this tyranny at its core or we shall lose what little freedom still exists. However as we move forward and succeed in abolishing this nightmare * it then becomes a much easier road to begin what still needs to be done to strip those people who designed this enslavement of their citizenship, and all their possessions, via the RICO statues (as this is racketeering to the max) and then either put them in jail forever or deport them to wherever the hell these criminals came form!
http://saladin-avoiceinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2010/11/its-not-just-about-flying.html
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KerryAnn
Inactive
The difference in doctors and TSA agents comes down to medical need and TRUST. There is NO medical need for a TSA agent to touch anyone sexually and there is no relationship of trust between the TSA agent and I. Most women carefully choose their care providers for female needs and pregnancy because it can become such a violation of personal space if a care provider isn't careful. You don't choose, know and trust your TSA agent.
Our job as parents is to PROTECT our children from abuse, not cooperate with it or excuse it in the name of 'safety'....
I've spent how much time and energy telling my kids not to allow ANYONE to touch them where their underwear covers, unless they have a medical problem AND me or my husband are present when a doctor checks them. Now I'm supposed to tell them to pony up and allow it? It's ok, just this once???? That causes confusion and tells them their momma is a liar. Isn't that the tactic pedophiles use????
I can only imagine how survivors of sexual assault are handling this. I know many of those women avoid doctors like the plague.
You may be willing to drop your drawers, but don't expect everyone else to do the same!!! And you have NO RIGHT to make that decision for someone else, much less someone else's child!
Our job as parents is to PROTECT our children from abuse, not cooperate with it or excuse it in the name of 'safety'....
I've spent how much time and energy telling my kids not to allow ANYONE to touch them where their underwear covers, unless they have a medical problem AND me or my husband are present when a doctor checks them. Now I'm supposed to tell them to pony up and allow it? It's ok, just this once???? That causes confusion and tells them their momma is a liar. Isn't that the tactic pedophiles use????
I can only imagine how survivors of sexual assault are handling this. I know many of those women avoid doctors like the plague.
You may be willing to drop your drawers, but don't expect everyone else to do the same!!! And you have NO RIGHT to make that decision for someone else, much less someone else's child!
ArmyOfFive
Inactive
Perhaps you need a new nose or walk a day in the boots of someone else.
An eye for an eye. Does that mean if someone murders your child you are justified in killing theirs? I know that isn't what you meant, I wanted you to see with your own eyes how distorted the written or spoken word can be by using your exemplar.
Maureen
How typical to distort a post. Someone kills my child, no I don't kill theirs I kill them..... If you "know" that's what I didn't mean, then why use that? For distortion purposes.
So let's discuss laws- when someone says you (or I) have to kill someone for worshiping a certain way, is THAT justifiable. Will you KILL because it's law?
Oh yes, darling, we can go round & round & never come to an agreement. I'm ok with that. But if you can't come to an agreement, even if it's to disagree, then maybe you should quit peddling your bullshit. Walk in other's shoes? I suggest the same to you.
You'll find I shut up pretty quickly as well, when I don't have BS crammed down my throat.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Video:
Glenn Beck and Judge Napolitano: Administration Is Setting Us Up For An “Event” So Obama Can Say “I Was Trying To Protect You”
http://deadlinelive.info/2010/11/19...so-obama-can-say-i-was-trying-to-protect-you/
Glenn Beck and Judge Napolitano: Administration Is Setting Us Up For An “Event” So Obama Can Say “I Was Trying To Protect You”
http://deadlinelive.info/2010/11/19...so-obama-can-say-i-was-trying-to-protect-you/
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Morning Star
Groovy Hoosier
My Mid-60's parents just returned from Florida and had to go through the full-body scanners. My mom said, if they want to see my saggy boobs, what do I care.
I then told her that her 17yr old granddaughter wants to fly to Texas to visit her friend. I told her that she can tell my daughter to her face that it is perfectly alright to show herself naked to strangers.
She seems to think of it a little differently, now.
I then told her that her 17yr old granddaughter wants to fly to Texas to visit her friend. I told her that she can tell my daughter to her face that it is perfectly alright to show herself naked to strangers.
She seems to think of it a little differently, now.
MaureenO
Another Infidel
No where in my posts did I say I agree with TSA's procedures. I said very clearly that we need to put the blame for these indignities where it belongs-- on jihad joe.
Since I am unable to change the laws, I stated I would abide by them even if it meant sacrificing my modesty.
Maureen
Since I am unable to change the laws, I stated I would abide by them even if it meant sacrificing my modesty.
Maureen
Cmdr Don
NASCAR junkie
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
What part of this do you not understand?
What part of this do you not understand?
MaureenO
Another Infidel
Probable cause = Richard Reid, Omar Faroq, intercepted jihad comms, etc., holes drilled behind aircraft bathroom mirrors, box cutters and other sharp objects located secreted on aircraft, components for explosives on board, things like that constitute probable cause.
Maureen
Probable cause = Richard Reid, Omar Faroq, intercepted jihad comms, etc., holes drilled behind aircraft bathroom mirrors, box cutters and other sharp objects located secreted on aircraft, components for explosives on board, things like that constitute probable cause.
Maureen
So a handful of miscreants out of millions of passengers equals probable cause to search millions of persons in the most invasive manner? Are they also authorized to perform exploratory surgery? The whole fiasco is not about safety but political correctness.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
ALL OF IT...
Search for a thread from not too long ago where Maureen used the collective membership here for her own little party game.
She bet some co-workers that the folks here would willingly submit to random traffic checkpoints.
She was wrong then, too.
That's why this whole thread just stinks like another game from her, to me.
intothatgoodnight
. . .
Maureen,
Sadly, your comments clearly indicate that you are not an American, in any real sense, clinging stubbornly to a corrupted foreign perspective of subverted hostile intent.
intothegoodnight
Sadly, your comments clearly indicate that you are not an American, in any real sense, clinging stubbornly to a corrupted foreign perspective of subverted hostile intent.
intothegoodnight
MaureenO
Another Infidel
ALL OF IT...
Search for a thread from not too long ago where Maureen used the collective membership here for her own little party game.
Here's the thread -- all of it.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=367725
She bet some co-workers that the folks here would willingly submit to random traffic checkpoints.
Did I say that?
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She was wrong then, too.
That's why this whole thread just stinks like another game from her, to me.
I requested the initial thread be closed since no one was willing to start a new thread about DUI ckpnts so I opened one myself in TIO where everything is permitted. There were very few responses when the whole world could no longer admire the replies.
Here's that thread: http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=368314
Maureen