Echo 5
Funniest guy on TB2K
We used training rounds sometimes, but there is still a projectile.
ALERT Urban Military Exercises went down in Flint, Michigan on June 6/7 at Midnight!
We used training rounds sometimes, but there is still a projectile.
Blackhorse
Inactive
Echo 5,when was the MK19 put into service?
Echo 5
Funniest guy on TB2K
1970s
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
That wasn't a fifty, that was semi-auto room-clearing fire from the team that was dropped off by the helo. You can hear one flash-bang (or a breaching charge) go off after the first couple strings of fire.
The timing between strings of fire is right at the tempo for going from room-to-room: set security, stack, breach, clear, announce exit to your security, exit, mark cleared room, stack at the next door, rinse, repeat.
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Michigan Majik
FreeSpirit, with attitude
According to local (WJRT Flint) news the locals didn't know what was going on when they heard the booms and gunfire...
Timbo may know more...
Timbo may know more...
Wonder how many of the residents still receive and read the local newspaper (is there still such a thing in Flint?) or watch TV or listen to radio stations that might still offer PSAs? It's not like they drive up and down the streets with a bull horn announcing what is going on. But, hey, maybe they should!
What would stand out?
Broken things, bullet holes, bomb/artillery/mortar craters, live small arms fire, dead and wounded people, buildings and cars on fire, etc.
Phone calls from neighbors/family/friends.
People getting rounded up and hauled off - going missing overnight. Empty houses where people used to live. Gadsden flags or Nyberg flags that aren't there any more. LOTS of pro-gov propaganda. This stuff in the current day will not happen without resistance. Look for anti-gov propaganda too.
Support your local militia/guerrillas ... learn how to be auxiliary.
https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/organization-and-development-of-the-auxiliary/
http://guerrillamerica.com/2013/03/the-formation-and-organization-of-resistance-movements-part-two/
The better connected you are the more you will find out ahead of time.
Broken things, bullet holes, bomb/artillery/mortar craters, live small arms fire, dead and wounded people, buildings and cars on fire, etc.
Phone calls from neighbors/family/friends.
People getting rounded up and hauled off - going missing overnight. Empty houses where people used to live. Gadsden flags or Nyberg flags that aren't there any more. LOTS of pro-gov propaganda. This stuff in the current day will not happen without resistance. Look for anti-gov propaganda too.
Support your local militia/guerrillas ... learn how to be auxiliary.
https://mountainguerrilla.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/organization-and-development-of-the-auxiliary/
http://guerrillamerica.com/2013/03/the-formation-and-organization-of-resistance-movements-part-two/
The better connected you are the more you will find out ahead of time.
2Trish
Veteran Member
Exercise gone wrong:
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...perrys-building-military-helicopter/28676447/
Military helicopter damages Port Huron building
By Nicole Hayden , Times Herald 11:33 a.m. EDT June 8, 2015
The awning and bricks from the Sperry's building lay on the ground after the wind from a military helicopter knocked it off, Monday, June 8, in downtown Port Huron. (Photo: ANDREW JOWETT, TIMES HERALD)
PTH0609 MILITARY TRAINING
(Photo: ANDREW JOWETT, TIMES HERALD)
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A U.S. Military helicopter caused damage to the historic Sperry's building in downtown Port Huron early Monday morning.
Around 1:30 a.m., during a military training operation, a helicopter approached the building from the east and the wind from the helicopter caused damage to the awning and bricks of the building.
Randee Farrell, U.S. Army spokeswoman, said engineers have already reviewed the accident and found that the structure of the building was not damaged.
"Rotor wash from a helicopter caused damage to the brick veneer along the roof line which fell and caused damage to the awning," Farrell said in a press release.
No one was hurt during the incident.
Farrell said crews would be working to clean up the fallen brick and broken facade before residents wake up in the morning. She said the U.S. Army would make sure to return the building to the condition it was before the accident.
No additional military training will take place at the Sperry's building, she said.
Larry Jones, of Sperry's Landmark, Inc., said he visited the building shortly after the damage was done early Monday morning.
The awning and facade bricks of the Sperry's building were damaged in the early hours on Monday, June 8, during a military training exercise in downtown Port Huron. Andrew Jowett/ Times Herald
Jones said the brick parapet above the building was knocked down. When the bricks fell onto the awning, part of the awning gave way. He said there was no structural damage to the building.
"Some metal supports are going to have to be repaired," Jones said. "A couple of first floor windows were broken."
Jones said he was contacted a couple months ago about the building being used for training.
"Our police force and fire department and military risk their lives for us everyday … and in order for them to do the great job that they do they have to do training," Jones said.
"We were very excited and still am very proud of the training and knowledge they can get from these missions."
Jones did not have an estimate on the cost of repairs.
J.B Sperry started Sperry's department store in 1893 at 242 Huron Ave. It later was moved to its current location at 301 Huron Ave.
The store closed in 2000, and reopened as a House of Denmark store in 2004. It closed again in 2006.
Sperry's Landmark Inc., owned by Brent Marsall, purchased the Sperry's building in 2011.
Developers plan to build 12 to 13 boutique theaters in the historic building, with seating for 400 and a restaurant overlooking Huron Avenue.
Jones said he didn't expect the damage to delay those plans.
The military training at Sperry's was part of a U.S. Army training program being held throughout southeastern Michigan that will continue through June 12.
Farrell said the helicopters dropped soldiers off at vacant buildings that had training scenarios set up inside. Sperry's was one of the buildings used for training.
The training is aimed at equipping soldiers with urban environment experience to help prepare for overseas deployment.
Earlier Sunday night, two Black Hawk U.S. Military helicopters landed at the old Port Huron Area School District Administration building near Lapeer Avenue and 18th Street in Port Huron around 11:30 p.m.
The soldiers ran from the helicopter into the building where a training scenario was set up. The helicopters vacated the area once the soldiers were inside and returned an hour later after the training mission was complete to retrieve the soldiers.
As the training progressed Sunday night, simulated, nonlethal ammunition sounded and lights in each room of the old school administration building went on and off as soldiers progressed through the building. The helicopters were not equipped with any weapons.
The training in the old school building was successful and did not result in any mishaps.
Farrell said in addition to the old school administration building and the Sperry's building, an area in St. Clair County, outside of the city, was also used for training.
A similar night of training has also recently happened in Flint, Farrell said. Farrell said she could not announce what other cities were hosting the training in the coming days.
The training is based out of Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Harrison Township. Farrell said training locations were picked based on urban areas that had vacant buildings available for use.
Prior to starting the training Sunday night, U.S. Army and Port Huron Police Department officials walked from house to house to alert residents who lived near the training locations about the exercise.
The training was planned to span into the early morning hours of Monday.
If any residents have complaints, concerns or property damage to report call the Port Huron Police Department at (810) 984-9710.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...perrys-building-military-helicopter/28676447/
Military helicopter damages Port Huron building
By Nicole Hayden , Times Herald 11:33 a.m. EDT June 8, 2015
The awning and bricks from the Sperry's building lay on the ground after the wind from a military helicopter knocked it off, Monday, June 8, in downtown Port Huron. (Photo: ANDREW JOWETT, TIMES HERALD)
PTH0609 MILITARY TRAINING
(Photo: ANDREW JOWETT, TIMES HERALD)
77 CONNECT 10 TWEETLINKEDINCOMMENTEMAILMORE
A U.S. Military helicopter caused damage to the historic Sperry's building in downtown Port Huron early Monday morning.
Around 1:30 a.m., during a military training operation, a helicopter approached the building from the east and the wind from the helicopter caused damage to the awning and bricks of the building.
Randee Farrell, U.S. Army spokeswoman, said engineers have already reviewed the accident and found that the structure of the building was not damaged.
"Rotor wash from a helicopter caused damage to the brick veneer along the roof line which fell and caused damage to the awning," Farrell said in a press release.
No one was hurt during the incident.
Farrell said crews would be working to clean up the fallen brick and broken facade before residents wake up in the morning. She said the U.S. Army would make sure to return the building to the condition it was before the accident.
No additional military training will take place at the Sperry's building, she said.
Larry Jones, of Sperry's Landmark, Inc., said he visited the building shortly after the damage was done early Monday morning.
The awning and facade bricks of the Sperry's building were damaged in the early hours on Monday, June 8, during a military training exercise in downtown Port Huron. Andrew Jowett/ Times Herald
Jones said the brick parapet above the building was knocked down. When the bricks fell onto the awning, part of the awning gave way. He said there was no structural damage to the building.
"Some metal supports are going to have to be repaired," Jones said. "A couple of first floor windows were broken."
Jones said he was contacted a couple months ago about the building being used for training.
"Our police force and fire department and military risk their lives for us everyday … and in order for them to do the great job that they do they have to do training," Jones said.
"We were very excited and still am very proud of the training and knowledge they can get from these missions."
Jones did not have an estimate on the cost of repairs.
J.B Sperry started Sperry's department store in 1893 at 242 Huron Ave. It later was moved to its current location at 301 Huron Ave.
The store closed in 2000, and reopened as a House of Denmark store in 2004. It closed again in 2006.
Sperry's Landmark Inc., owned by Brent Marsall, purchased the Sperry's building in 2011.
Developers plan to build 12 to 13 boutique theaters in the historic building, with seating for 400 and a restaurant overlooking Huron Avenue.
Jones said he didn't expect the damage to delay those plans.
The military training at Sperry's was part of a U.S. Army training program being held throughout southeastern Michigan that will continue through June 12.
Farrell said the helicopters dropped soldiers off at vacant buildings that had training scenarios set up inside. Sperry's was one of the buildings used for training.
The training is aimed at equipping soldiers with urban environment experience to help prepare for overseas deployment.
Earlier Sunday night, two Black Hawk U.S. Military helicopters landed at the old Port Huron Area School District Administration building near Lapeer Avenue and 18th Street in Port Huron around 11:30 p.m.
The soldiers ran from the helicopter into the building where a training scenario was set up. The helicopters vacated the area once the soldiers were inside and returned an hour later after the training mission was complete to retrieve the soldiers.
As the training progressed Sunday night, simulated, nonlethal ammunition sounded and lights in each room of the old school administration building went on and off as soldiers progressed through the building. The helicopters were not equipped with any weapons.
The training in the old school building was successful and did not result in any mishaps.
Farrell said in addition to the old school administration building and the Sperry's building, an area in St. Clair County, outside of the city, was also used for training.
A similar night of training has also recently happened in Flint, Farrell said. Farrell said she could not announce what other cities were hosting the training in the coming days.
The training is based out of Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Harrison Township. Farrell said training locations were picked based on urban areas that had vacant buildings available for use.
Prior to starting the training Sunday night, U.S. Army and Port Huron Police Department officials walked from house to house to alert residents who lived near the training locations about the exercise.
The training was planned to span into the early morning hours of Monday.
If any residents have complaints, concerns or property damage to report call the Port Huron Police Department at (810) 984-9710.
Suzieq
Veteran Member
Check out the hole in the abandon school. The man who made the video said, that used to be the school's cafeteria area.
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Unless you know enough and get close enough to see the difference between live rounds and blanks... there won't be a lot of difference beyond that, IMHO.
There is some live fire in some of these exercises ... situationally dependent. Biggest thing to look for in training exercises is BFAs - blank firing adaptors in individual weapons (carbines and rifles, not pistols) and some crew served weapons. Sometimes hard to see even if you know what to look for.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank-firing_adaptor for info and pics ...
There is some live fire in some of these exercises ... situationally dependent. Biggest thing to look for in training exercises is BFAs - blank firing adaptors in individual weapons (carbines and rifles, not pistols) and some crew served weapons. Sometimes hard to see even if you know what to look for.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank-firing_adaptor for info and pics ...
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Military officer supposedly patrolling the perimeter in civilian clothes. Not in my UCMJ days unless you wanted to be captured as a spy. I know it is part of Special Forces training as well as other special ops but still that is a flag that this is not just a friendly get together for a few laughs.
Note that US Army officer in video has long extended side burns. Not military regulation but to blend in.
Here's a list - http://www.armyproperty.com/app/forum/blank-firing-adapters-all-types-t2776.html
There are pics of some of them, not attached to the weapon they fit. You can find pictures of most if not all on the web, installed.
There are pics of some of them, not attached to the weapon they fit. You can find pictures of most if not all on the web, installed.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
You really wouldn't know until you got hit. You can hear bullets when they fly past you but civilians would not know the difference between live rounds and blanks.
You'd have to see the ammo in the magazine/belt (in the case of belt fed stuff) to tell. That's why I brought up BFAs - they are more obvious.
There is some difference in sound with blanks but I would not bet my life on my ability to detect it any more. Bullets coming close will make a distinctive set of noises depending on their velocity if they miss, if they hit anything close by it will be apparent.
There is some difference in sound with blanks but I would not bet my life on my ability to detect it any more. Bullets coming close will make a distinctive set of noises depending on their velocity if they miss, if they hit anything close by it will be apparent.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think the reporter should have asked him his name, rank, and serial number. That is all you are required to give if captured or interrogated. It would have been interesting to hear his response. If this is a well advertised exercise I don't think he would have a problem giving his rank maybe he would balk on name and serial number.
Mark D
Now running for Emperor.
- Power being cut to the building or block before.
- Return fire during (unless .gov is running suppressors)
- Security/QRF = A few unmarked vans showing up in the vicinity before and during.
- Fire alarms going off during and after.
I think the reporter should have asked him his name, rank, and serial number.
"What unit you guys with?" would be better. Then followup questions if needed. "Gee, how could my 17 year old son join up in a year? He's interested in the military." might be a good followup.
Used to be officers wore branch insignia even on camo, and that could tell you something. Now it's just rank, on the little tab on the shirt front.
Should know the unit patches on the uniform, and check the bumper numbers on the vehicles to see who they belong to. That stuff is essential to know/find out.
"What unit you guys with?" would be better. Then followup questions if needed. "Gee, how could my 17 year old son join up in a year? He's interested in the military." might be a good followup.
Used to be officers wore branch insignia even on camo, and that could tell you something. Now it's just rank, on the little tab on the shirt front.
Should know the unit patches on the uniform, and check the bumper numbers on the vehicles to see who they belong to. That stuff is essential to know/find out.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I agree but an officer on security detail in civies is just plan wrong especially with the side burns. In a couple of weeks he can be a Elvis impersonator with those burns. Hair grows fast and changes ones appearance. I want to know more about him and this on going operation in Flint.
Dozdoats it sounded to me the reporter was more interested in getting in his face than getting vital need to know information. I am going to chalk that up to the reporter being an amateur and I don't believe he ever served in the military. To bad.
When it ISN'T a drill... Donetsk, Ukraine, just last week.
"This is what Armageddon looks like."
Video at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c9_1433786318
"This is what Armageddon looks like."
Video at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c9_1433786318
Frugal Bob
Veteran Member
Coming soon to town near you.. may god have mercy on us all!