ALERT Turkey President Erdogan - Claims All US Nukes On Incirlik Base Belongs To Turkey

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is a clear response to Comrade Joe's declaration of the Armenian massacres in WW1 as a genocide. Turkey just went into a national coronavirus lockdown (until May 13th at least) and this is in the middle of Ramadan, I beleive. Definitely nationalistic reporting for the home audience.

Turkey best not poke too hard at the US-one good round of US sanctions against them and their economy would totally collapse.

And the Greek reporting is actually damn good-after the Cypriot war in 1974 Greece and Turkey watch each other like hawks.
 

Sicario

The Executor
Turkey announces "full lockdown" from April 29 to curb COVID spread

Turks will be required to stay mostly at home under a nationwide "full lockdown" starting on Thursday and lasting until May 17 to curb a surge in coronavirus infections and deaths, President Tayyip Erdogan announced on Monday.

Turkey logged 37,312 new COVID-19 infections and 353 deaths in the last 24 hours, health ministry data showed, sharply down from mid-April but still the world's fourth highest number of cases and the worst on a per-capita basis among major nations.

Announcing the new measures after a cabinet meeting, Erdogan said all intercity travel would require official approval, all schools would shut and move lessons online, and a strict capacity limit would be imposed for users of public transport.

Turks will have to stay indoors except for essential shopping trips and urgent medical treatment. Certain groups including emergency service workers and employees in the food and manufacturing sectors will be exempt.

The new restrictions take effect from 1600 GMT on Thursday and will end at 0200 GMT on May 17.

"At a time when Europe is entering a phase of reopening, we need to rapidly cut our case numbers to below 5,000 not to be left behind. Otherwise we will inevitably face heavy costs in every area, from tourism to trade and education," Erdogan said.

The measures will be implemented "in the strictest manner to ensure they yield the results we seek", he said.

Two weeks ago Turkey announced a night-time curfew from 7 p.m. till 5 a.m. on weekdays, as well as full weekend lockdowns, after cases surged to record levels, but the measures proved insufficient to bring the pandemic under control.

Total daily cases in Turkey peaked above 63,000 on April 16 before dropping sharply to below 39,000 on Sunday.

The total death toll in Turkey, a nation of 84 million, stood at 38,711 on Monday, the health ministry data showed.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
The Turks have played this game many times. Since the 1960's a large segment of the DOD didn't and still doesn't trust them and the call to remove all Nukes there has been raised often.

Erdogan is crazy and can not be trusted. A man i worked with in the 80's was retired air force and was part of the team that was to defend the warehouse that contained our nukes on one of the Turkish bases. He said that more than once his team was locked into the warehouse and told to blow the place up (including themselves) if it was about to be overran by the Turks.

Should have pulled our nukes from there long ago.
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
This meets the alarming post of the day criteria.

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hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I thought all nukes were removed from there quite a while back?
Our gov was stupid enough to put them back there again?
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Pre-dating Erdogan, all the way back to WWI, Armenian genocide denial has been Turkish state policy. The policy continues today.

The absolute worst thing you can do to a Turk, is to acknowledge their genocide of the Armenians.
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wiki,

No Turkish government has acknowledged that a crime was committed against the Armenian people[261][262][263] and all major political parties in Turkey except the Peoples' Democratic Party support Armenian Genocide denial.[264] Ottoman and Turkish leaders argued, and continue to argue, that the mass deportation of Armenians was justified by national security concerns.[265][266]

For decades, Turkish school textbooks did not mention Armenians as part of Ottoman history;[267][268] more recently, textbooks have acknowledged that Armenians were subjected to mass deportation, but claimed that this action was justified, emphasizing Armenian violence.[268] Acknowledgment of the genocide is punishable under Article 301 of the Penal Code, which prohibits insulting the Turkish nation and state institutions.[269] Most Turkish citizens support the state's policies of denial,[270][271] and the word "Armenian" has become one of the worst insults in the Turkish language.[272] Many Kurds, however, who themselves have suffered political repression in Turkey, have recognized and condemned the genocide.[273][274] In 2007, Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink, who had worked to promote reconciliation and acknowledgment of the genocide, was assassinated.[275][276]

Turkey's century-long effort to prevent any recognition or mention of the genocide in foreign countries has included millions of dollars in lobbying,[277] as well as intimidation and threats.[278] The country set up multiple agencies to counter Armenian claims about the genocide.[279] Historian Donald Bloxham recognizes that since "denial has always been accompanied by rhetoric of Armenian treachery, aggression, criminality, and territorial ambition, it actually enunciates an ongoing if latent threat of Turkish 'revenge'", threatening the security of Armenia.[280]

more,

Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia
 
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FreedomoftheHills

Contributing Member
I saw that. The question is, is it a legitimate news source, or more like CNN?

While grains of fact can often be found in Vassilis Kapoulas' articles, this site is known for extremely inflammatory headlines, often based on half truths. It falls somewhere on a continuum between CNN and the National Enquirer.
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
Oh really?


Either you cut the shit...or....



Pop...pop....po.....pop... goes the weasels..

Then again...maybe....




They are not even real big poppers. Go ahead and pop one...ssssssssst. huh?

Where is the boom?
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Oh really?


Either you cut the shit...or....



Pop...pop....po.....pop... goes the weasels..

Then again...maybe....




They are not even real big poppers. Go ahead and pop one...ssssssssst. huh?

Where is the boom?

The nukes in Turkey are probably on a dual PAL key arrangement with the Turks. If we change the codes they can't activate the nukes for use.
What they can do with all the nukes there is make a whole bunch of very effective dirty bombs however.
 

Fenwick Babbitt

Veteran Member
The nukes in Turkey are probably on a dual PAL key arrangement with the Turks. If we change the codes they can't activate the nukes for use.
What they can do with all the nukes there is make a whole bunch of very effective dirty bombs however.

I seriously doubt there's even any there, he' a nut and has been around for a while, pretty good chance any nukes we might have had there have long since been moved out.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
The nukes in Turkey are probably on a dual PAL key arrangement with the Turks. If we change the codes they can't activate the nukes for use.
What they can do with all the nukes there is make a whole bunch of very effective dirty bombs however.
Could also sell them. Russia could learn a lot from dismantling a B-61. This assumes Kerry or Obungplug haven’t already given them the designs.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
The nukes in Turkey are probably on a dual PAL key arrangement with the Turks. If we change the codes they can't activate the nukes for use.
What they can do with all the nukes there is make a whole bunch of very effective dirty bombs however.

They could also strip them down to components and put together something sufficently usable for the effort.
 

155 arty

Veteran Member
Turkey could seize US nukes stored at air base

The United States has nuclear bombs stored in Turkey at Incirlik Air Base. Will Turkey try to grab them? How will the drama play out?

The US has a large arsenal of nuclear gravity bombs – relatively small 700-pound nuclear weapons with fearsome power. There are different types but the most important are its B-61 series bombs. There are 540 B-61 bombs in service today, with another 415 on inactive status that can be upgraded if needed. These are known as “dial-a-blast” bombs, since the users can set the size of the nuclear blast needed for a mission – anywhere from 0.3 to 340 kilotons. (The Hiroshima atomic bomb was about 15 kilotons.) The latest MOD bomb is capable of a fixed blast of 50 kilotons.

The latest operational version is the B-61 MOD 11, which has been developed into a bunker-busting nuclear gravity bomb that can be dropped by a nuclear bomber like the B-1 or B-2, or from a combat fighter aircraft such as the F-15E or the F-16. It isn’t completely clear what model of B-61 nukes are in Turkey, nor is the number certain, but the generally accepted count of B-61 bombs stored at Incirlik Airbase is 50. Another 40 B-61s were supposed to be committed to the Turkish air force, but according to reports since the 1990s, the Turks stopped training pilots for a nuclear mission and the 40 Turkey-designated bombs were withdrawn.

Could the Turkish army use the Incirlik-based weapons? Unless the Turkish army had the computer codes for the weapons, the answer is that the weapons cannot be used. These US weapons include what are called Permissive Action Links (PAL), meaning encrypted locks that make detonating a nuclear device impossible unless the PAL system can be defeated. Over time, PAL has become increasingly sophisticated and it depends on what is built into the weapons that are in Turkey (models vary in the degree of sophistication) and on a control box set up that also is needed for unlocking the PAL blocks. It isn’t known if the US has already removed the control boxes, but this should have been done as a security precaution. But even if the boxes are at Incirlik, they won’t function without authorization codes coming from the United States.

In the short run, the B-61s at Incirlik are not a present danger. But the bombs are a future danger, since in time the codes can be figured out or the bombs taken apart and the fissile material used to make homemade nuclear weapons.
As a former nuke handler I can tell you what happens now !!!!........but with this administration who the hell knows what, the ones assigned to guard those nuke will absolutely have other ideas about how to do that ...this is really bad
 

Safetydude

Senior Member
This also happened during the Big O's reign. We should pull them back to a carrier or Diego Garcia or even stateside. Yes PAL is pretty robust from my research of OSINT material but like other's pointed out, repurpose and rebuild them that is scarey. The primary is still just an implosion device. The hard part is getting simultaneous firing of all the explosive lens to make it go boom verses a slow burn...aka fissle-a nice dirty bomb, which has happened in the past with nuke weapon incidents. Nothing classified here...all open source info. Under the Clintons, who knows what was brokered to whom and where.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Can you find an “about” for them? I don’t want to be skeptical, but I’m skeptical.

Why? ( Serious question )

Erdogan has proven again and again that he has ambitions re: the Middle East balance of power and that he is no friend of NATO.

The OP seems right up his alley.
 

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jward

passin' thru
I'm not familar with this source, but they are the only ones I ran across in casual reading that address this issue wrt this time period: interesting to note their assertion that in Turkish media this is being clearly linked to the Armenian genocide issue, as many here suggest... not sure I've heard that 2/3rds of the bombs were removed, either :: shrug ::


Turkey President Erdogan – Claims All US Nukes On Incirlik Base Belongs To Turkey

April 29, 2021 by IWB


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A statement issued by the Turkish Ministry of Defense regarding the ownership of the Incirlik base and all the weapons systems at its disposal!

The announcement came as a blow because US Pentagon officials themselves did not expect any Turkish moves or statements involving the Incirlik base.
And yet the announcement of the Turkish Ministry of Defense does not simply involve the Incirlik base but refers to the Turkey-US Defense Treaty that was first revealed by WarNews247 a few days ago.
The Turkish media clearly state that this is Ankara’s response to the recognition of the Armenian Genocide.

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However, the fact that Erdogan dared to raise the issue of Incirlik along with the weapons systems inside the base has caused alarm in the Alliance.
It is known that the US has withdrawn 2/3 of the nuclear bombs from the base for reasons of “modernization”

READ President Biden has significant experience handing out favorable government contracts to political insiders & major donors.




According to the 1980 Defense and Economic Cooperation Treaty on the use of the facilities, Turkey and the US share them(equipment, weapons).
This treaty “allows” (!) The US to make use of the facility.

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Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
So, this article leads me to believe that US nuclear weapons outside of the CONUS are NOT under our contol?
I call Bull Sh!t on this one.
You may have the hardware, we OWN the software.

Remember Turkey,

They could go critical right where they are, if you are not careful!

Southside
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Arty, as I understand it, once those guys STAND UP, they can't be stood DOWN without at least 2 people from a VERY SHORT LIST walking in and giving them the order TO stand down.

A VERY select list...POTUS, CJCS, Sec Sta, SecDef, and I fergit the other 2 on the list. But the order needs to be given Face to Face with verifications.

As I understand it. It ain't like POTUS calls em up and says, "Hey guys, you are WAY over reacting on this. I think you need to stand down."
Again, as I understand it that kind of call would be laughed off the line. Youse guys in that bunker are INCREDIBLY hard core.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Why did the administration even bring up the Armenia issue?

Why this, why now? To what end?

Doesn't make sense, especially considering the extreme potential reaction from the Turkish government.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Why did the administration even bring up the Armenia issue?
Why this, why now? To what end?
I've given up trying to rationalize irrational behavior, but when all else fails, go with Obama's infamous observation, "Xiao screws up everything he touches".

This demented ass of a pResident reminds me of someone who's so high-strung and unstable that - when you goose them just after telling them something - they blurt out what you just told them as their response. Must be someone in the inner circle with Armenian roots or something, who's got his ear.
 

cyberiot

Rimtas žmogus
Kinda like Germans and jews?

Oh, dear--I should have worded the question more carefully. My bad.

I absolutely support acknowledging history, and did a bit of reading last night. Apparently, Turkey has an unbroken record of denying what they did to the Armenians.

The parts I don't understand are the timing and the motivation. What moved Biden to bring this up? And why now?

Did I do better this time? (ETA: I'm encouraged--I just saw that Red Baron beat me to these questions.)
 
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night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
SOMEONE wants a war before summer.
Crimea fizzled.
They kicked another couple Former Sov countries into a "Lets you ad him fight." which hasn't blown up (yet).
So lets push the Turks and see just how irrational they can be.
 
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