Trump's Iowa 'veterans' event will raise money for his own foundation

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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...because it is so damned difficult to find people to give money to. :lkick:


He probably lost sleep worrying about finding charities that will take donations.
 

thompson

Certa Bonum Certamen
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I like what he "says", too---but I am NOT AT ALL SURE that I can take that at "face-value"---because it's a 180-degree-turnaround from EVERYTHING he USED to say he believed.


How is he 180 degrees different now than he was in this interview from 25+ years ago? What he is saying now is pretty much what he's been saying for years.

Donald J. Trump Interview 25+ Years Ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzTyhIv2B8


Here is your GOP front-runner, Donald J. Trump in an interview approximately 25 years ago. Running for POTUS - as he said he would, if the country ever got so bad. Donald J. Trump can, and will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Watch this video - - - LONG BEFORE ANY THOUGHTS OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
...because it is so damned difficult to find people to give money to. :lkick:


He probably lost sleep worrying about finding charities that will take donations.

Apparently so. Since he's only given 0.00037% of his huge fortune. He makes Cruz look like Jesus by comparison.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Watching the live feed from the Trump event-pretty good so far. Two black ladies on now whipping the crowd up. Unlike most set up political events; these ladies are coming across as "real" in a big way.
Like the fact most of the speakers so far have been women. Successful women, women of color, etc. This is going to be an interesting event. And CNN is even giving him really good coverage to boot.
 

Be Well

may all be well
I've got three links up an after Diamond and Silk, nothing happening. Audience seen but no speakers. Am I on the wrong links?
 

bad_karma00

Underachiever
I didn't know that Trump had 'promised' any money to veterans 'groups'. I thought he'd merely said he was going to use the evening to raise money for veterans. He's certainly helped people directly in the past, so what's to stop him from doing so this time? And I've read more than once that Wounded Warriors only gets about 40% if it's proceeds to actual wounded vets. The rest is apparently eat up in administration costs.

It does tickle me to see so many trying so hard to make light of Trump though. He's obviously shaken someone's sugar tree somewhere, lol.


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Laurane

Canadian Loonie
Everyone is forgetting the St. Jude's hospital donation of $20,000,000 (that is MILLION) this summer from the Eric Trump Foundation - they use different foundations for family members for their special charities.
 

mom2many

Veteran Member
When our Ladies Auxiliary held fundraisers for our fire department, we raised the money by having raffles, bakes sales, etc. The money was given to us checks were made out payable to our organization; all the money went into our bank account and then that money was used to purchase equipment and supplies. At no point in time did we take donations given to us and give it directly to the fire dept.

I imagine it is the same way this time Trump is hosting this event to raise money for the veterans, in order to keep an accounting of the incoming money donations are being routed through his established foundation and will be disbursed accordingly. It is quite possible that he fully intended to give the money to WWP but with all of the negative publicity WWP has received for mishandled donations that Trump feels it should be looked into better before giving them millions of dollars.

Is Mr. Trump being cautious with money trusted to him by the American people to benefit Veterans or is his really misappropriating funds? I guess we will have to wait and see which scenario plays out. I'm betting on Mr. Trump being smart (he can provide donation letters for tax purposes through his foundation and keep an accounting of funds) and keeping what he has been entrusted with safe from people out to screw veterans.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but...


it would seem to me


that if someone said "I'm holding this event to raise money to give to X"...


and then they don't give the money to "X"----



that that's dishonest.



(polite speech for 'lying'.)




I remember a certain Ananias and Sapphira who got in BIG TROUBLE that way....
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
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How is he 180 degrees different now than he was in this interview from 25+ years ago? What he is saying now is pretty much what he's been saying for years.

Donald J. Trump Interview 25+ Years Ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbzTyhIv2B8


Here is your GOP front-runner, Donald J. Trump in an interview approximately 25 years ago. Running for POTUS - as he said he would, if the country ever got so bad. Donald J. Trump can, and will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! Watch this video - - - LONG BEFORE ANY THOUGHTS OF RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.


It wasn't 25 years ago that he made a HUGE campaign contribution to Clinton.

It wasn't 25 years ago that he supported Obamacare.

It wasn't 25 years ago that he supported abortion.


Some more discrepancies below--and bear in mind he has openly said he "does not apologize" for any PAST view---and I don't know about you, but I think SOME of these "past views" NEED apologizing for:


Here's an article from a LIBERAL source (Mother Jones magazine) about Trump's support of LIBERAL causes (something they would have no reason to make up, since they LIKE liberal things)--
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/08/donald-trumps-top-ten-liberal-heresies


Donald Trump's Top 10 Liberal Heresies

—By Kevin Drum
| Thu Aug. 20, 2015 2:04 PM EDT

Right now, Donald Trump appeals primarily to voters who are just plain angry and want a president who's willing to call a spade a spade. Still, these voters are also conservatives. They like Trump's stand on immigration and political correctness and taking away all the oil from ISIS. But what are they going to do when they find out that Trump has an awful lot of liberal views? I'm not talking about stuff he said years ago and has since changed his mind about. I'm talking about views he's advocated in the past couple of months. Off the top of my head, here are Trump's top 10 liberal heresies:

He thinks affirmative action is okay.
He would fund Planned Parenthood except for abortion. (This is current federal policy, though Trump doesn't seem to know it.)
He supports a progressive income tax. He does not favor a flat tax.
He doesn't believe you should be able to fire someone just for being gay.
He doesn't want to cut Social Security or Medicare.
He's in favor of a ban on assault weapons.
He invited Bill and Hillary Clinton to his wedding.
He doesn't "fully" believe in supply-side economics.
He wants to "lead from behind" on Ukraine. Trump believes that Germany should take the lead on Ukraine.
He hates the Iran deal, but he wouldn't abrogate it after taking office.

Even one or two of these would sink any other Republican candidate. But 10? Even if Trump's appeal is mostly based on bluster and affinity politics, how long can he last before his fans begin to wonder just how conservative he really is?


Here's another article, again from a LIBERAL source (so they would APPROVE of his liberal stance on issues): (Washington Post)




washingtonpost.com

The many ways in which Donald Trump was once a liberal’s liberal

By Hunter Schwarz July 9, 2015

Businessman and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks to supporters during a back-yard reception in Bedford, New Hampshire, June 30, 2015. REUTERS/Dominick Reuter


Perhaps no presidential candidate has the self-confidence he does, even in the face of some glaring flip-flops on his political positions. Where lesser candidates would dodge questions about why they've changed their mind or give a focus-group-tested line about how they evolved, Trump doesn't admit to ever having a different opinion.

He loved Hillary Clinton; now he thinks she's the worst. He was very much in favor of abortion rights before he opposed them. And he might be running as a Republican today, but he was once a registered Democrat who called for legalizing drugs, a massive one-time 14.25 percent tax on the wealthy and staying out of wars that didn't present a "direct threat" to the U.S. In many ways, he's been to the left of Clinton and even Bernie Sanders on some issues.


But in Trump's world, there is no truth but now. Here are some of his most glaring flips (or convenient evolutions):

Abortion

Then: On "Meet The Press" in 1999, Trump said he was "very pro-choice." "I hate the concept of abortion," he said. "I hate it. I hate everything it stands for. ... but I just believe in choice."
Now: In an interview with Bloomberg Politics in January, Trump said, "I'm pro-life and I have been pro-life." He said he believed there should be exceptions in cases of rape, incest or the life of the mother.
Guns

Then: In Trump's 2000 book "The America We Deserve," he wrote that he "generally" opposed gun control but supported an assault weapons ban and a longer waiting period to purchase a firearm.
Now: At the 2015 NRA-ILA Leadership Forum, Trump said if he became president, "the 2nd Amendment will be totally protected." He told the Web site Ammoland he does "not support expanding background checks" and said current background checks "don't work."

Healthcare

Then: In an interview with Larry King in 1999, Trump said he was "very liberal when it comes to health care" and that he believes in "universal healthcare."
Now: During his announcement, he called Obamacare "a disaster called the big lie" and said the deductibles were so high they were "virtually useless."

Hillary Clinton

Then: Either Trump or his son donated to Clinton in 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2007, he invited her to his 2005 wedding in Florida, where she sat front row, and he's donated at least $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. He also said in an appearance on the Howard Stern show in the mid-2000s that she was a fantastic senator.
Now: On NBC on Wednesday, he called Clinton "the worst secretary of state in the history of our nation" and said she would be "a terrible president."

Party affiliation

Then: Trump changed his party from Republican to Independent Party in 1999, and switched again to Democrat in 2001.
Now: Has been a registered Republican since 2009.

There are also some flips which haven't necessarily been from left to right.

Jeb Bush

Then: In Trump's 2000 book "The America We Deserve," he called Bush "a good man," "bright, tough and principled," and "exactly the kind of political leader this country needs now and will very much need in the future."
Now: On Fox News's "On The Record" this week, he called Bush "pathetic" for his support of Common Core, said his immigration views were "baby stuff."

Press availability

Then: Trump wrote in his 1990 book "Surviving At The Top" that he had been "burned too many times by reporters" and didn't believe in being available for the media anymore.
Now: He grants more interviews than anybody else -- including to the major TV stations on Wednesday and this new interview with the Post publish today and titled, "Trump vows long campaign, won't commit to backing GOP nominee."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ich-donald-trump-was-once-a-liberals-liberal/
 

Wise Owl

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Link to the Veterans charities/orgs that the money raised is actually going to. Trumps charity org is only collecting the donations. It's a pdf so I can't copy/paste it here.
This is for all the doubting Thomas's who had no faith in Donald Trump.

DonaldJTrump.com/MilitaryCharities
 
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Stardust

Veteran Member
John, I agree with you completely. Trumps motive is as plain as the nose on anybody's face. Honestly feel sorry for those who refuse to understand what you're saying.

If this "event" wasn't a political ploy he could/would have scheduled it anytime, anyplace except the time and place he chose. As to be in direct conflict with the debate. Had he held it in another city, at another time, even I might have bought into it. But neither of those things happened so.....
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-...mp-raises-millions-for-veterans-organizations

- January 28, 2016 -
​Donald J. Trump Raises Millions for Veterans Organizations

Mr. Trump Made a $1 Million Dollar Contribution at a Special Event in Des Moines to Benefit Vets

(New York, NY) January 28th, 2016 – Today Donald J. Trump hosted an event to raise money for Veterans organizations in Des Moines, Iowa. The GOP frontrunner spoke to a record crowd at Drake University and was joined by special guests, including Senator Rick Santorum and Governor Mike Huckabee, as well as Veterans, throughout the night. Mr. Trump personally contributed $1 million dollars to the cause and raised an additional $5 million before the one-hour event concluded, totaling more than $6 million dollars.

Mr. Trump stated, “Our Veterans have been treated like third-class citizens and it is my great honor to support them with this $1 million dollar contribution – they are truly incredible people. We are going to strengthen our military, take care of our Vets and Make America Great Again.”

The night benefited twenty-two different organizations, a number of which are Iowa based Veterans groups. Mr. Trump has been a major supporter of Veterans organizations throughout his life and has made strengthening our military, reforming the VA and taking care of our great Veterans cornerstones of his campaign.

SFC (R) John Wayne Walding, who spoke during the event, spent 12 years in the U. S. Army. He has combat deployments to both Iraq and Afghanistan. John's awards and badges include: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart, Combat Infantry Badge, Airborne Air Assault and the Special Forces Tab. John participated in numerous battles during his deployments; most famous was the Battle of Shok Valley.

To make a contribution please visit donaldtrumpforvets.com. A list of organizations benefitting from tonight’s event can be see here:

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/MILITARY_CHARITIES_SHEET_FOR_MR._TRUMP.pdf
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Ok, before I duck my wee little mousie head back down into my mouse hole, I'll only say what I said on the other thread---

As for me personally, I have no dog in this fight. I personally liked Carly Fiorina, but since she's fallen so far behind I am totally undecided about who to vote for.

But it SCARES me to see some of you folks, whom I've admired for thinking things THROUGH and giving things SLOW, THOUGHTFUL, and CAREFUL DELIBERATION, already having jumped as thoroughly on this "bandwagon" as a newly-converted Prohibitionist beating a drum for the Salvation Army.


I like what he "says", too---but I am NOT AT ALL SURE that I can take that at "face-value"---because it's a 180-degree-turnaround from EVERYTHING he USED to say he believed.

AND--he says he has "no apologies" for what he used to say or believe---so what am I to think of that?

In other words and BOTTOM LINE---


are some of you SO DESPERATE that you are going to UNQUESTIONINGLY BELIEVE everything this man says, with total blinders on and NO SKEPTICISM at all?


If so, what makes You different from any Obama-bot?


If it comes down to between him and Bernie Sanders, yeah I'll vote for him.


BUT, right now, he has my "spidey senses" worried....


and I guess I've just been "burned" too many times NOT to be TOTALLY skeptical of every new guy that comes "courting" with his handfuls of roses and his mouth-full of platitudes----I've heard all that before----once burned twice shy and all that...
yes they are and they will get this DANIEL 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Is Donald Trump The Antichrist of the Christian Bible?

What does the Bible say?

Fortunately, thank God… that the Bible does provide us a pretty descriptive picture of this man’s character and schemes! One place that we learn this from is the Book of Daniel, Chapter 8 in that people will already know him, like him, trust him, and therefore will follow him.
Now I strongly encourage you to first take 10 minutes and listen to a few descriptive verses of an audio file displayed below, which in my opinion is one of the best description/interpretations that we have of the “Antichrist” from the Bible, straight from Daniel 8:23-25 (taught by Paul Beck).
Keep in mind that Dan 8 is believed by some to be a “dual prophecy” in that it was partially fulfilled in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes, and yet still has a future fulfillment as well based of some of the clues in the text. I believe that it has been partially fulfilled!
So grab your Bible, and in some cases blow off the dust… (time is short) and lets get a quick nugget straight from the Book of Daniel, Ch 8:23-25, where the Bible totally introduces us to his character and his schemes.
Listen to the interpretation verse by verse via streaming audio now: Antichrist Profile – Daniel Chapter 8:23-25 – Think about Donald Trump as you listen! Also, this audio was not created with Donald Trump in mind. I spoke with Paul Beck, it’s creator, and he has never even considered the Donald until now.
Audio Player at link
http://kingdomengineers.com/is-donal....KMWYhm23.dpuf So what did you think of that character profile description/interpretation in the audio file?

If you didn’t listen to it yet then you are doing yourself a huge disservice… Listen to it first!

If you did listen… Do you see what I see in how Dan 8:23-25 describes a person like Donald Trump, a current presidential candidate for the most powerful nation on earth?
Obama and his cronies have driven America and the global economy right into the ground and are completely setting the stage for someone to come in and save the day! (note: researching scripture reference). I believe Obama could be like a “John The Baptist” in that he is the forerunner to the AC. Damaging the world to a degree in that the stage is set for the “Antichrist’s” arrival. Obama has nothing on Trump when it comes to character, charisma, negotiating skills, economics, etc!
Attributes of the Final “World Ruler” – “World Leader” – “Great Chief”



Be an organizational genius without a conscience, ruthless with no compassion
Most ingenious ways of solving problems of opposition (great negotiator)
Every victory he encounters he increases in strength! (each personal attack vs subsequent poll #s)
Deceitful, Treason, all will prosper in his hands (form of wisdom); (under his Presidency)
Fantastic Politician, (he’ll get there)
A Master Negotiator – He also wrote the Best Seller “The Art of the Deal”
Arrogant, Prideful,
By peace will destroy many.
 

lanod

Deceased
A bit of research shows most if not all front runners in any presidential race were declared to be the antichrist. Guess some body somewhere might prove to be it. Really doubt that it will be Donald Trump
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Trump the Antichrist?/:rolleyes:

What the bible says? The bible can say just about anything you want it to...with a little "interpretation".

With enough " interpretation", someone can find alien influence in the architecture of his buildings.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Trump's Iowa 'veterans' event will raise money for his own foundation as his campaign is coy about which organizations will benefit



  • Donald J. Trump Foundation created a Web page in the wee hours of Thursday morning to raise money that it says will go to 'Veterans needs'
  • Trump campaign won't say which vets' groups will get the money
  • The foundation has given very little to veterans charities in the past
  • Trump is hosting his fundraiser on Thursday night to compete directly with a Fox News Channel debate less than a few miles away
  • His foundation would be required to publicly disclose its 2016 giving until long after the presidential election
By David Martosko, Us Political Editor For Dailymail.com In Des Moines, Iowa
Published: 15:00 EST, 28 January 2016 | Updated: 15:37 EST, 28 January 2016
UK DAILY MAIL


Donald Trump's highly publicized veterans fundraiser on Thursday night will benefit his own charitable foundation, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Ultimately, Trump's press secretary Hope Hicks said Thursday afternoon, 'the money will go to a number of Veterans charities and organizations.'

The campaign has been coy about which organizations will eventually see a cash infusion.

Trump tweeted on Thursday: 'It is my great honor to support our Veterans with you! You can join me now. Thank you! #Trump4Vets http://www.DonaldTrumpForVets.com.'

The link goes to a website run by the Donald J. Trump Foundation, which promises that '100% of your donations will go directly to Veterans needs.'

He told Fox News host Bill O'Reilly on Wednesday night that 'we're going to raise a lot of money for the veterans. A lot of money is going to be raised. A lot of people are going to be there, and I can do some good.'

The DonaldTrumpforVets.com Web domain was registered early Thursday morning, Internet records show, by Brad Parscale, the San Antonio-based website developer who handles Trump's campaign website.

Hicks did not respond to a question about whether using the foundation as a pass-through vehicle was a last-minute decision.

But even The Donald didn't seem to be in the loop about the website's final name, mistakenly tweeting at first that 'trumpforveterans.com' would be the repository for donations.

Trump has made the treatment of American military veterans a centerpiece of his campaign, complaining at public rallies that the Obama administration's Department of Veterans Affairs needs a dramatic overhaul.

He appeared in September aboard the USS Iowa in the Los Angeles harbor, saying against a backdrop of seafaring cannons that 'we have illegal immigrants that are treated better than our veterans.'

Trump announced this week that he would skip Thursday's Fox News Channel/Google debate, the last one of its kind before Monday's Iowa caucuses, because the network trolled him with a sarcastic statement suggesting he was afraid to face questions from moderator Megyn Kelly.

Kelly and Trump have a longstanding feud that dates back to the first Fox News debate in August, when she led off the event with a tough question about the billionaire's past barbs aimed at women he didn't like.

Instead, he is hosting his own rally less than 2 miles away. Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum, the winners of the last two Iowa GOP caucus contests, will join him after they participate in the 'undercard' debate reserved for low-polling Republicans.

The Trump foundation itself has a spotty record to date of donating to veterans charities, one that will likely see a reinvention if The Donald's supporters donate heavily this week.

Its future donations won't be publicly known until its 2016 taxes are filed, which won't happen until at least the middle of 2017 – long after the election that will either make him President of the United States or send him back to the real estate world.

The foundation could alternatively choose to publish a list of donations long before then, and Trump's rivals may insist on it.

Forbes magazine reported in October that '[t]he Donald J. Trump Foundation has donated $5.5 million to 298 charities between 2009 and 2013 (the most recent year available), according to the non-profit's 990 tax forms from those years.'


'Of that, only $57,000 has been donated to seven organizations that directly benefit military veterans or their families. ... Wounded Warriors was not among the organizations Trump's foundation gave to in that time period.'


But Hicks told The Weekly Standard on Wednesday that the Republican front-runner has dipped into his own pockets to support vets.

'Mr. Trump has made significant financial and in kind contributions to many Veterans organizations, personally and not through the Donald J. Trump foundation,' she said.

One veterans group, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said Tuesday that it will decline any money from Trump's Des Moines event.

'Donald Trump is not a leader in veterans' philanthropy, unless he's donated a lot of money that nobody knows about,' the group's president Paul Rieckhoff, an Iraq War veteran, told The New York Times last year.

Rieckhoff tweeted Tuesday: 'If offered, @IAVA will decline donations from Trump's event. We need strong policies from candidates, not to be used for political stunts.'

Trump's foundation has attracted unwelcome attention in the past after The Smoking Gun reported that the billionaire had never donated to charities engaged in relief work following the 9/11 terror attacks in 2001.

That report was based on an analysis of the Trump Foundation's tax returns.

Trump's camp fired back immediately. telling DailyMail.com that he had personally 'donated close to half a million dollars to organizations as a result of the 9/11 tragedy including the American Red Cross and the Marine Corps Law Enforcement Fund, in addition to a total of $102 million dollars donated to hundreds of charitable foundations over a relatively short period of time, many of which helped people affected by 9/11.'



Okay John, you're smart enough to know how to get the 990s for his charity. But, in any case, I'll give you a breakdown of the most recent year (2014).

Income: $500,489.00
Salaries, Wages, Benefits, Directors Compensation: $0.00
Total Operating and Administrative Expenses $5,250.00
Disbursements to Charities: $591,450.00


Total Assets: $1,273,895

Total Liabilities: $250



Some charities benefiting from the disbursements are The Alliance for Lupus Research, All Faiths Beautification and Restoration Program, American Skin Association, The American Spectator Foundation, and The Andrew Glover Youth Program.

And, he may have donated the amounts he stated to veterans and 911 causes, but he didn't have to do it through his charity. He may have written a check to the organizations directly to avoid the appearance of impropriety (which is what I would have done). However, unless you have a way to look at his personal income tax records, you have no way of doing anything other than speculating that he didn't. The article is very shoddy, smarmy, anti-Trump and poorly researched. In sum, it's biased.

And dude, you are getting dangerously close to being obsessive about The Donald; you may wish to step away from the subject for a time while you try to regain your sanity. I am completely serious.

Best regards,
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Our former radio group of schlubs raised $13,000 in 48 hours. He's spent that much on Jet-A in 5 minutes. You tell me. Everyone wants to attack other candidates for tithing but no one wants the same accountability for Trump. I'm sorry but he is using those Vets as props, nothing more, nothing less.

If he meant it, he would have given a lot more, especially after GW1, GW2, Afghanistan, etc. $57,000 to him is like $5 to you and me. Think about it.

Here again, John, you are smart enough to know that he doesn't have to do all of his charitable giving through his foundation. Unless you have access to his tax forms, don't make assumptions about how charitable he is.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
It's called consistency. We sacrificed our time, personal funds, and efforts to raise money for vets. I've given to veterans groups most of my adult life. Trump has rarely had any interest in helping veterans UNTIL he ran for President. If you don't see that, well, good luck with that.

So what?

I have never given to veterans groups outside of buying raffle tickets and poppies.

I do donate to other charities in both time and money.

Does that make me bad, John?
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Just to make the point REALLY clear....

Here again, CM, you're as out of the loop of reality as JG is.

If he just held the event, he hasn't had time to distribute it yet, has he? His foundation will determine how to distribute it. And, yes, the Wounded Warriors would not be my first choice due to the issues they have had.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Let's do some math...

$3,700,000/$10,000,000 (his numbers, not mine) = 0.00037% charitable donation rate; to his own charity. :whistle:

Are you a victim of common core math John? When I take your numbers and enter them into the calculator I come out with 0.37%. Me thinks I shouldn't listen to you for business information anymore if you cannot even do a simple calculation! ;)
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
Funny how the same game the Clinton Foundation played is being played here.

Look, "X" is affiliated with "Y".

However, no one can still answer this basic question:

As I recall, you're not great at answering questions either.

And, as you certainly already know, the Clinton Foundation is a money laundering and influence peddling racket. It paid out salaries, wages and other compensation of $29,914,108.00 (or, 20% of it's income) in 2013.

If you're this dishonest and illogical with Trump, it seriously has me questioning how much of your input can be trusted for it's validity and integrity on other subjects.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
So you mean in 48 hours not one single charity would say "yes, we'll work with you and appreciate the donations."

Right.......

Here again, John, either you are being intentionally deceptive or you have a reading comprehension problem. The gist of what was said was that perhaps Trump needs time to determine which charity, or charities, best align with his philosophy and have the best track record.

As an aside, I suspect that fairly soon you will spin out and leave this board in a big huff. Think about that; is that what you want?
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
On this list of institutional donors you will see no listing for the Donald J. Trump Charitable Foundation.

I think perhaps you do have a reading comprehension issue.

Once again, he doesn't need to do all of his giving through his foundation.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
John, I agree with you completely. Trumps motive is as plain as the nose on anybody's face. Honestly feel sorry for those who refuse to understand what you're saying.

If this "event" wasn't a political ploy he could/would have scheduled it anytime, anyplace except the time and place he chose. As to be in direct conflict with the debate. Had he held it in another city, at another time, even I might have bought into it. But neither of those things happened so.....

And John may have gained some traction if he wasn't constantly and intentionally twisting the information he is presenting as well as being intentionally obtuse in his interpretation of the points of those he is debating. As it stands, he has lost the respect of many people on this board. He has certainly lost mine.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
As I recall, you're not great at answering questions either.

And, as you certainly already know, the Clinton Foundation is a money laundering and influence peddling racket. It paid out salaries, wages and other compensation of $29,914,108.00 (or, 20% of it's income) in 2013.

If you're this dishonest and illogical with Trump, it seriously has me questioning how much of your input can be trusted for it's validity and integrity on other subjects.

Here again, John, either you are being intentionally deceptive or you have a reading comprehension problem. The gist of what was said was that perhaps Trump needs time to determine which charity, or charities, best align with his philosophy and have the best track record.

As an aside, I suspect that fairly soon you will spin out and leave this board in a big huff. Think about that; is that what you want?

I think perhaps you do have a reading comprehension issue.

Once again, he doesn't need to do all of his giving through his foundation.

Since he wasn't able to do even simple math last night, and his logic was faltering, I'm chocking it up to either this really wasn't John OR he was completely hammered.
 

Sub-Zero

Veteran Member
yes they are and they will get this DANIEL 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.


Okay, Daniel, please do not turn this into a kooky woo-woo topic.

Also, you may wish to back off the bold button for a while.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
What does the Bible say?

Fortunately, thank God… that the Bible does provide us a pretty descriptive picture of this man’s character and schemes! One place that we learn this from is the Book of Daniel, Chapter 8 in that people will already know him, like him, trust him, and therefore will follow him.
Now I strongly encourage you to first take 10 minutes and listen to a few descriptive verses of an audio file displayed below, which in my opinion is one of the best description/interpretations that we have of the “Antichrist” from the Bible, straight from Daniel 8:23-25 (taught by Paul Beck).
Keep in mind that Dan 8 is believed by some to be a “dual prophecy” in that it was partially fulfilled in the days of Antiochus Epiphanes, and yet still has a future fulfillment as well based of some of the clues in the text. I believe that it has been partially fulfilled!
So grab your Bible, and in some cases blow off the dust… (time is short) and lets get a quick nugget straight from the Book of Daniel, Ch 8:23-25, where the Bible totally introduces us to his character and his schemes.
Listen to the interpretation verse by verse via streaming audio now: Antichrist Profile – Daniel Chapter 8:23-25 – Think about Donald Trump as you listen! Also, this audio was not created with Donald Trump in mind. I spoke with Paul Beck, it’s creator, and he has never even considered the Donald until now.
Audio Player at link
http://kingdomengineers.com/is-donal....KMWYhm23.dpuf So what did you think of that character profile description/interpretation in the audio file?

If you didn’t listen to it yet then you are doing yourself a huge disservice… Listen to it first!

If you did listen… Do you see what I see in how Dan 8:23-25 describes a person like Donald Trump, a current presidential candidate for the most powerful nation on earth?
Obama and his cronies have driven America and the global economy right into the ground and are completely setting the stage for someone to come in and save the day! (note: researching scripture reference). I believe Obama could be like a “John The Baptist” in that he is the forerunner to the AC. Damaging the world to a degree in that the stage is set for the “Antichrist’s” arrival. Obama has nothing on Trump when it comes to character, charisma, negotiating skills, economics, etc!
Attributes of the Final “World Ruler” – “World Leader” – “Great Chief”



Be an organizational genius without a conscience, ruthless with no compassion
Most ingenious ways of solving problems of opposition (great negotiator)
Every victory he encounters he increases in strength! (each personal attack vs subsequent poll #s)
Deceitful, Treason, all will prosper in his hands (form of wisdom); (under his Presidency)
Fantastic Politician, (he’ll get there)
A Master Negotiator – He also wrote the Best Seller “The Art of the Deal”
Arrogant, Prideful,
By peace will destroy many.

In my lifetime Ronald Reagan, Mikhail Gorbachev and Pope Benedict XVI were all thought to be the Antichrist. More recently I've also heard that Vladimir Putin, BHO and GW Bush are the antichrist. If you look at these individuals, they all hit your antichrist talking points to some degree or another.
 

Codeno

Veteran Member
If you did listen… Do you see what I see in how Dan 8:23-25 describes a person like Donald Trump, a current presidential candidate for the most powerful nation on earth?
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Daniel, could you give us an honest guess as to how many men you have suspected might be the Antichrist in the past 20 years or so?
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Daniel, could you give us an honest guess as to how many men you have suspected might be the Antichrist in the past 20 years or so?
only one i asked God one day about Obama on election eve 2008 He told me this { do you want things to continue as they are} i said no.LORD { He said He is my man for this time and this Hour.} Obama has messed up this Country on purpose. Trump is Coming to Save it.
 

Codeno

Veteran Member
only one i asked God one day about Obama on election eve 2008 He told me this { do you want things to continue as they are} i said no.LORD { He said He is my man for this time and this Hour.} Obama has messed up this Country on purpose. Trump is Coming to Save it.

Fair enough, thank you sir.
 

Buick Electra

TB2K Girls with Guns
Glad I read DB's last comment before responding because I WAS going to ask... Did God and Jesus use the 'holy' people to do Their bidding? Did They use the priests, the pharisees, the Sanhedrins? No! They both used, either sinners or people they knew, i.e. Peter, were going to sin to do great things and bring God glory. But now I don't have to say it. ;)

Obama is what we deserved. Just like the Israelites, we strayed so far that He HAD to send us Obama to see the error of our ways. Then we cried out, and have been crying out the last 7 years. I believe, unbeknownst to Mr. Trump, he will be doing very important things, not just for our country, but for God.
 
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