ECON TRUMP THE BIG SPENDER? (Original posted March 2018)

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https://www.theburningplatform.com/2018/04/05/china-downgrades-treasuries/

China downgrades Treasuries
Global markets ignore US debt risks
by Herbert Poenisch in Beijing
Thu 5 Apr 2018

China's surging global influence is like the rising tide: barely noticeable but steady. However, once it reaches fundamental structures, such as US Treasuries, the lynchpin of the financial system, western policy-makers should pay attention.
The western view of the rating of Treasuries has been rather benign. The Big Three rating agencies have awarded Treasuries top grades, with only one reducing this rating by one notch because of concerns that the US was approaching its debt ceiling, the total amount the government is authorised to borrow. However, western and eastern ratings are increasingly at odds. China's most prominent rating agency, Dagong Global, downgraded Treasuries to BBB+, with a negative outlook, in early 2018.

In its justification, Dagong states that the US administration has difficulty focusing on the management of the economy, federal debt is escalating and recent tax cuts reduce the government's ability to service its debt. The growing gap between government revenues and the debt means the US government is badly prepared to face the next crisis. It cites weakening repayment ability as one reason for the negative outlook.

It seems as if global financial markets are ignoring warnings that the credit risk of US government liabilities is not being assessed properly. Renegotiation of Treasuries is not a prime concern, but there will be large ramifications for the financial system if their value is reassessed. There will be direct losses for those who hold Treasuries, but they also serve as collateral for myriad other financial transactions. According to the rules of the Securities and Exchange Commission, the US regulator, Treasuries can cover up to 95% of any borrowing.

For the moment, China is a lone voice, but Dagong is determined to take on the complacent Big Three. Global financial markets have not heard enough alternative views, particularly on credit markets.

The largest holders of Treasuries might take a direct hit from the deteriorating credit risk. Out of a total of $6tn, China held close to $1.2tn and Japan $1.1tn at the end of 2017. Hong Kong holds a sizable $200bn. In addition, most countries added to the stock of US Treasury securities in 2017.

Most creditors of the US Treasury agree that the dollar has to be replaced as the world's dominant reserve currency in the long term. In the short term there are a few options. Given that US interest rates are likely to increase and the country will need to borrow more, returns will inevitably have to rise, perhaps also reflecting the deteriorating credit rating. Holding higher yielding securities offers some relief, but they are still paid in the same depreciating currency.

If US creditors were to look for real value, it is an option to purchase resources anywhere in the world for dollars. China is already doing this. It is buying real assets around the globe, ranging from mines to ports.

Those wanting to dump Treasuries might explore swapping US debt for US equity, where the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States permits. If more holders of Treasuries go down this road, the committee might become overburdened with approval requests. If the promised US recovery materialises, it might be a better choice to target real returns rather than illusory financial ones.

Herbert Poenisch is a Member of the International Committee of the International Monetary Institute at Renmin University of China, and former Senior Economist at the Bank for International Settlements.
 

Doomer Doug

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https://pjmedia.com/trending/cbo-projections-will-show-trillion-dollar-deficits-far-eye-can-see/



CBO Projections Will Show Trillion Dollar Deficits as Far as the Eye Can See
By Rick Moran April 8, 2018

The Congressional Budget Office will release deficit projections for the next 10 years and, in case anyone is interested (and no one seems to be), it will show budget deficits in excess of 1 trillion dollars every year.

There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth from some Republicans and Donald Trump will pretend he didn't sign a federal budget with hundreds of billions of dollars in increased spending. But we're about to enter an era where trillion dollar deficits are the new normal.

What's absolutely astonishing is that in this election year, the trillion dollar budget deficits will not be a major issue. Certainly, some of the few budget hawks remaining in Congress will try and make a big deal about it, but they will be whispering in a hurricane. No one wants to think about what these deficits mean to the economy or to the financial well being of individuals -- notably our grandchildren.

Forbes:

Although there have been private sector projections for months (including my post from last October) that the government's red ink will hit and exceed a trillion dollars for years to come, this will be the first report by Congress's official budget watchdog since last year's big tax cut and this year's spending deal were enacted that will show the deficit rising precipitously and staying at that very high level through the next 10 years.

The official CBO projections are likely to be lower than the budget deficits that actually occur. CBO's report is based on current law and makes no political judgements about what Congress and the president will do in the future. That means the deficit projections will be based on the presumption that the tax cuts enacted last year that currently phase out will in fact end. That means the CBO forecast will assume that future revenues will be higher and the deficit lower compared to what is likely to occur.

The same is true for spending. For this report, the Congressional Budget Office doesn't presume that any of the reductions proposed in the Trump 2019 budget will be enacted. That will increase the deficit outlook compared to what the White House will say it will be.

For the record (and before the trolls come out to play), there were indeed four consecutive trillion dollar federal deficits during the Obama administration from fiscal 2009-2012. Those deficits were primarily caused by the Great Recession and were temporary. By contrast, the trillion dollar Trump deficits are permanent changes to the federal budget outlook caused by enacted reductions in revenues and increases in spending.

The Trump deficits assume a relatively high-level of economic growth. If the economic outlook doesn't turn out to be as rosy as the White House is promising, the very high Trump era federal budget deficits will be even higher.

There will be those reading this who will refuse to believe that the CBO's projections are real, that they are partisan hacks who want to make Trump and the GOP look bad. Denying reality has become commonplace on both the left and right in recent years, with both sides substituting comfortable illusions to explain what's happening. Eventually, though, reality has a nasty tendency to catch up with the illusion. In the case of trillion dollar budget deficits, the real world consequences will be felt soon enough.

GOP Senator Calls House Budget 'A Great Dane-Size Whiz Down the Leg of Every Taxpayer'
 

Doomer Doug

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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/09/the...t-is-primed-to-explode-cbo-analysis-says.html

The GOP tax plan means short-term gains for the economy, but federal debt is primed to explode, CBO analysis says

The Congressional Budget Office forecast that the new tax law will generate an average of 0.7 percent growth over the decade and create 1.1 million jobs.
However, larger budget deficits would crowd out private investment in later years, dampening economic growth.
As a result, the CBO estimated the cumulative deficit over the next decade will be $1.6 trillion larger than previously projected. By 2028, national debt would total 96 percent of GDP.




The Republican overhaul of America's tax code and increased government spending are projected to boost economic growth to 3.3 percent this year but push the national debt to nearly the same size as gross domestic product by 2028, according to government data released Monday.

The Congressional Budget Office forecast that the new tax law will generate an average of 0.7 percent growth over the decade and create 1.1 million jobs. It also predicted the two-year federal spending deal would increase GDP by 0.3 percent this year and 0.6 percent in 2019. However, larger budget deficits would crowd out private investment in later years, dampening economic growth.

As a result, the CBO estimated the cumulative deficit over the next decade will be $1.6 trillion larger than previously projected. By 2028, national debt would total 96 percent of GDP.

"Such high and rising debt would have serious negative consequences for the budget and for the nation," the CBO report stated.

Republicans have been fending off criticism from fiscal hawks for passing a $1.5 trillion tax cut late last year and following it up with a $1.3 trillion government spending deal with Democrats inked last month. The CBO estimates that annual deficits will reach $1 trillion in 2020, buttressing similar warnings from private forecasters.

"We now are facing trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see — a terrible path, made even worse by the fact that this comes amidst a strong economy and is the self-inflicted result of irresponsible policy choices," said Maya MacGuineas, president of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget. "Hopefully it will serve as a wake-up call for our political leaders who have become frighteningly comfortable with deficit denial."

Amid unrest among the conservative flank, Republicans are now trying to make amends. On Thursday, the House is slated to vote on a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. The proposal would prohibit federal spending from outpacing revenues unless three-fifths of the House approves an exemption. A supermajority would also be required to raise taxes or the national debt limit, so it is unlikely to become a reality.

In addition to the amendment, Republican leadership has also spoken with the Trump administration about the possibility of rolling back parts of the federal spending deal. President Donald Trump spoke with Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy last week about sending Congress a so-called "rescission" request to cut funding, although by how much remains unclear.

A GOP source who declined to be named said lawmakers are supportive of the effort and are taking the little-used presidential power "seriously." Still, it is unclear whether Republicans would need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a spending reduction, but it would signal a remarkable about-face for members of both parties who backed the deal.

Meanwhile, five former White House economists warned Monday against addressing the deficit by cutting entitlement programs such as Social Security. Writing in The Washington Post, Martin Neil Baily, Jason Furman, Alan Krueger, Laura D'Andrea Tyson and Janet Yellen argued that the funding gap has largely been driven by lower revenues and unfunded wars.

"The primary reason the deficit in coming years will now be higher than had been expected is the reduction in tax revenue from last year's tax cuts, not an increase in spending," they wrote.
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Doomer Doug

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/apr/9/trillion-dollar-deficits-return-under-trump/

Economy to surge, unemployment to hit record low under Trump: CBO

Trillion-dollar deficits come roaring back
By Stephen Dinan - The Washington Times - Monday, April 9, 2018

President Trump has overseen a dramatic worsening of the government’s finances in his first 14 months in office, sending deficits soaring to more than $800 billion this year topping $1 trillion by 2020, and staying there every year for the foreseeable future, the Congressional Budget Office said Monday.

Last year’s tax cuts will sap the government of money, even as the budget and spending deals approved this year will push the government to spend more money — cash it will have to borrow.

That will quickly push deficits back to the levels they were during the Obama administration, when the government was recovering from the Great Recession.

As those yearly deficits pile up, the debt will deepen dramatically. Within a decade the debt held by the public will total $28.7 trillion, flirting with rates nearly 100 percent of the economy, as measured by gross domestic product, the CBO said.

That would be the highest rate since 1946, which marked the end of war-era borrowing, and it would be twice the average debt the government has held over the last 50 years.

The CBO warned of serious consequences: “The likelihood of a fiscal crisis in the United States would increase,” the analysts said, repeating a warning that’s done little to change the behavior of lawmakers.

In fact, things have gotten worse since the CBO’s last warning in June.

The tax cuts will siphon $1.7 trillion off government revenue over the next decade, and spending will increase by slightly more than $1 trillion. The economic will grow faster, however, adding $1 trillion in revenue, for a net total new deficit of $1.6 trillion.

As the economy heats, GDP will grow 3.3 percent this year, up substantially from the 2 percent projection of last year.

Unemployment rates will also fall deeper than their already low levels, hitting a low of 3.3 percent next year. That would be a record for the post-World War II era.

But rising interest rates will soon sap some of that surge, the analysts said. By 2020 — just as Mr. Trump is facing voters for re-election — GDP growth will have slipped back below 2 percent.

The short-term boost comes at a significant price: The government will run a deficit of $804 billion this year, which is much bigger than last year’s $665 billion tally. But for shifts in timing of payments, the deficit would have been even worse, at $848 billion, which would have been a one-year surge of 28 percent.

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KFhunter

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In 1835 the US national debt was paid in full, it was the one and only time the US has been debt free. That was done by Andrew Jackson, Trump's favorite past President.

After the debt was paid the US had surplus income, they had nothing to do with it so they gave it to the states, the state's banks went bonkers and started printing money like crazy, it was a free for all bonanza.

Jackson popped the land bubble and ended the bonanza by demanding all land payments be in silver or gold.

By 1837 the US was in a massive depression.
 

China Connection

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When huge money floods into society suddenly for any reason inflation takes place. While money is tired up and not moving about in the market place noting really happens. However, if it does start to flood into the market place watch out.
 
I don't claim to know anything about the economy, but somewhere, recently, I read that the actual debt of our govt. is FAR beyond the 21 trillion dollar figure....it seems like the number was over 100 trillion dollars...the article told how it was figured that high. I wish I had saved it, but we never know when we'll need something!

Obviously, you can't take that to the bank, no pun intended, but I thought it worth mentioning. (Or, maybe not.) FWIW
 
Dennis....that is SO funny!

Well, I just had to do a search to see if I could find anything about such a huge debt the US has, and there are several articles re: it being 100 trillion dollars in debt....unfunded debt, which is different, but still debt.

I don't know, in this discussion, whether I should include the entire article, which explains how govt. pensions, Social Security and other factors are part of the tremendous unfunded debt.

This is one of the links:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnma...ies-our-government-cant-fulfill/#22ef2ed365b1
 
I don't claim to know anything about the economy, but somewhere, recently, I read that the actual debt of our govt. is FAR beyond the 21 trillion dollar figure....it seems like the number was over 100 trillion dollars...the article told how it was figured that high.

Well, I just had to do a search to see if I could find anything about such a huge debt the US has, and there are several articles re: it being 100 trillion dollars in debt....unfunded debt, which is different, but still debt.

I don't know, in this discussion, whether I should include the entire article, which explains how govt. pensions, Social Security and other factors are part of the tremendous unfunded debt.

This is one of the links:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnma...ies-our-government-cant-fulfill/#22ef2ed365b1

You are quite correct - not only unfunded liabilities, but the HUGE derivative exposure that the big banks hold on their books.


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Dozdoats

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The thread may be necro, but the issue definitely is not.

We're on track to run a $1.3 trillion deficit this year ...
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Well, not being a financial Genius by any means here is my consideration.

Going simple.

You owe $100k in debt with 10% interest. That's $10k every month you have to pay on that $100k.

You're income every month is $11k, allowing you to float the interest payments so the holder of your debt stays off your ass.

Then suddenly you only bring in $9k a month.

Now you still have to pay the $10k interest but have zero left over.

The holder of your debt says "We'll tack that extra $1k on your debt and you can pay us the $9k each month.

After 12 months you now owe the original $100k, plus the extra $1k added on to it for each month plus the monthly payment.

It's going to accrue on itself.

So sudenly you start making $11k a month after a year-now you can go back to paying the $10k bill but you now have what? $112k to pay off?

Same thing Obama left-he jacked up the debt, with interest and those bills will continue climbing until , somehow, the debt is paid or whittled down.

Not arguing for Trump just arguing that the current issue is not going to end in the forseable future without a lot of people going into slumhouses amd living meagerly because that is just the way it is-get rid of a lot of the welfare that is being wrongly used, get rid of the illegals and get rid of a lot of b.s. p[rogra,s amd committees and it will help but, until the income versus outgoing issue is solved the debt is going to climb. It has to.

Your point is made, but your math is off. 10% on $100k is $10k a year, which is closer to $850 dollars a month interest less principal.

I read once that the US let China off the hook for a trillion dollars after world war two....what would that be in todays dollars? Is it relevant? I think so.
 
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