Trump cites story of general who dipped bullets in pigs' blood to deter Muslims

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Interesting story to cite.

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Trump cites story of general who dipped bullets in pigs' blood to deter Muslims
By Jeremy Diamond, CNN

North Charleston, South Carolina (CNN)Donald Trump on Friday cited an apocryphal story about a U.S. general who purportedly dipped bullets in pigs' blood to execute Muslim prisoners a century ago in an effort to deter Islamic terrorism.

Speaking at a rally in North Charleston, South Carolina, Trump reiterated his claim that the U.S. should "go much further" than waterboarding suspected terrorists, telling the story of Gen. John Pershing in the Philippines, who Trump said captured 50 Muslim prisoners a century ago and dipped 50 bullets in blood.

"And he lined up the 50 people and they shot 49 of those 50 people, and he said to the 50th, you go back to your people and you tell them what happened -- and in 25 years there wasn't a problem," Trump said to the audience, which grew quiet as he told the story.

Coming in contact with swine is forbidden under Islamic law.

The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment about what Trump was suggesting in referencing the story, which Snopes, a website that investigates urban myths and legends, was unable to corroborate a year ago.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio called the story "bizarre" during an appearance on NBC's "Today" show Saturday morning.

"I'm sure people are offended. We hope people are offended by that. That's not what the United States is about," Rubio said.

Later Saturday, the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a leading Muslim civil rights group, said Trump's "rhetoric has crossed the line from spreading hatred to inciting violence."

"By directly stating that the only way to stop terrorism is to murder Muslims in graphic and religiously-offensive ways, he places the millions of innocent, law-abiding citizens in the American Muslim community at risk from rogue vigilantes," the group said in a statement. "He further implies that our nation should adopt a strategy of systematized violence in its engagement with the global Muslim community, a chilling message from a potential leader. We pray that no one who hears this message follows his gospel of hate." (NO dumb-a$$...JUST the terrorists :rolleyes:).


Muslim Advocates, another Muslim civil rights group, said Trump's comments "are abhorrent and simply have no place in the American public forum. We urge all Americans of good conscience to come together and rise above hate and extremist rhetoric that only serves to divide us at a time when we must stand together."

Trump's story took place during a rally in which the GOP front-runner reflected on his campaign's unanticipated success.

"This all began June 16. Who knew this was going to happen? I figured maybe I'd be in the pack," a subdued Trump said as he began his final rally before South Carolina's Republican primary on Saturday, which could hand Trump his second consecutive electoral victory. "I thought it was going to be like a horse race. I'd be in the middle of the pack and at the very end I'd inch it out."

In South Carolina, big leads on both sides

But Trump isn't in the middle of the pack, ready to inch out a victory in South Carolina. He's leading it, with CNN's average of South Carolina polling showing Trump with a double-digit lead over his closest competitor, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz. The victory would be a momentous one for Trump and a blow to several of his opponents, including Cruz, who has positioned himself as the conservative capable of rallying the South to capture the nomination.

At Friday's rally, Trump ripped Cruz as someone "who lies more than any other human being I have ever seen" and slammed politicians broadly as "all taken care of by every industry."

And while Trump touted his 20-point victory just a week earlier in the New Hampshire primary, he also sought to undercut his supporters' -- and the media's expectations -- urging them not to look at the polling showing him poised to clutch a decisive victory, but instead to get out and vote like they were preparing for a nail-biter.

"Who knows what the numbers are. The polls are very nice. Who knows? We can't take a chance," Trump said in comments starkly in contrast with his predictions of a "tremendous victory" in Iowa the day he ultimately faltered with a second-place finish.

"It's crunch time, folks. It's crunch time," he reminded the audience.

But Trump ended the night on a reflective note, reminding his supporters that they are part of a movement of which he is simply the "messenger" -- and urging them to get out and vote.

"You're going to say to yourselves this was one of the greatest evenings and one of the great days of your lives," Trump said.

"We're going to make America great again. Thank you, everybody. I love you."
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/politics/donald-trump-south-carolina-john-pershing/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


TRUMP....letting Islamic terrorists know there will be no politically correct refrain to their jihads....as well as pi$$ing off CAIR!

On another note... Hillary Reaches Out To Iranian Front Group For Campaign Donations…
 

Dozdoats

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cited an apocryphal story
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apocryphal

apocryphal

adjective | apoc·ry·phal | \ə-ˈpä-krə-fəl\

Simple Definition of apocryphal

1 : well-known but probably not true
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I have a certain amount of background in this field ... and while this story has often been repeated, I have never been able to verify it to any degree.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
Verifiable or not, if it will intimidate your enemy and cause them to lose the will to fight, I'm okay with it. You cannot win a war by being Mr. Rogers. You win a war by killing the enemy or beating them down hard enough that they quit.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Verifiable or not, if it will intimidate your enemy and cause them to lose the will to fight, I'm okay with it. You cannot win a war by being Mr. Rogers. You win a war by killing the enemy or beating them down hard enough that they quit.
Trump understands that we are at war with the musloids.

It may be a bit early in the election game to show that card tho.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
Trump understands that we are at war with the musloids.

It may be a bit early in the election game to show that card tho.
I was thinking more in general than on Trump's comment specifically. It may cost him a few votes by saying that, but I'm betting it won't be many. I doubt the people offended by it would ever vote for him anyway. Truthfully, I think the main reason he's doing so well is he says things a "politician" won't normally say and by doing that he relates to all of those sick of how the country has been led the last few decades.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Sorry that he fell for this urban legend, but so have many people.

First of all being buried with pigs or shot with a bullet soaked in pig blood does not keep a moslem from entering paradise. According to every moslem cleric, it is a grave religious insult, but that is it. Jews have the same prohibition about eating pork and it would be a grave insult to bury them with a pig. However, it's all BS as far as believing it keeps them out of heaven.

Second this whole myth is based on a very old 1939 movie called "The Real Glory" starring Gary Cooper and Andrea Leeds.

"This highly fictitious version of the Moro Rebellion featured an American named Dr. Bill Canavan. Dr. Bill organizes the local militia in the film and eventually defeats his fanatical Muslim enemies into submission by having every corpse wrapped in a pig skin before burial."

It's unfortunate that this movie myth somehow got linked to General Pershing 3 decades after the Moro rebellion.
General Pershing's style of leadership was completely opposite of the myth.
He was actually very restrained, cautious and pragmatic in his approach to handling the Moros. He did not believe in inciting them to more violence by insulting their religion, and actually only went after the most militant of the Moros. Those that were captured were generally hung not shot with pigs blood bullets.

What we have is an urban legend combining a real Moro rebellion over a hundred years ago, with a movie script 30 years later, and the myth lives on.
Unfortunately a lot of uneducated people still buy it.
A simple bullet or a bomb is still the best weapon against moslem terrorists.
There are better uses for pigs, as in bacon or BBQ :lol: .
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Verifiable or not, if it will intimidate your enemy and cause them to lose the will to fight, I'm okay with it. You cannot win a war by being Mr. Rogers. You win a war by killing the enemy or beating them down hard enough that they quit.
It's BS that it will intimidate moslem terrorists. It just another form of religious insult that pisses them off.
Kind of like pissing in the holy water at a Catholic church, or desecrating a Synagogue with a swastika, or spiking the punch at a Baptist picnic.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Now that is as close to a real leader & man as I've seen in this campaign.

Build a wall
Boot the illegals
send the jihadasts to their Hell

Enough of this namby-pamby faggotry that all the current candidates parade- Sanders, obama, Bush, Rubio, Cruz ect....they are all a bunch of pussified beta useless cowering males.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Urban legend or not, he got his point across to the terrorists and CAIR.
And what point would that be? That he doesn't know very much about the moslem religion?
The only effective weapon against terrorist is sure death, forget the pigs blood bull shit.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Now that is as close to a real leader & man as I've seen in this campaign.

Build a wall
I agree with this

Boot the illegals
You left out the fact that he want's to then let them back in :lol: via that "nice big beautiful door" he said he would put in the wall.

send the jihadasts to their Hell
A bomb or a bullet will do this just fine. Don't waste a perfectly good pig because of an ignorant myth

Enough of this namby-pamby faggotry that all the current candidates parade- Sanders, obama, Bush, Rubio, Cruz ect....they are all a bunch of pussified beta useless cowering males.
So far it's all talk and no action from any of them. All those who are politicians haven't done shit and Trump has completely changed his position on just about everything in the last year or two. I'll believe any of them are different when we see some results.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
It's BS that it will intimidate moslem terrorists. It just another form of religious insult that pisses them off.
Kind of like pissing in the holy water at a Catholic church, or desecrating a Synagogue with a swastika, or spiking the punch at a Baptist picnic.
I said, "if" it will intimidate your enemy I don't have a problem with it. That applies to anything. Intimidation of your enemy is used in warfare all the time. Whether it be propaganda or overwhelming displays of force. You intimidate your enemy to keep them in check. Even grade school bullies know that.

Seems to me you're using an awfully broad brush to say it is BS. If it makes less than 1/10th of 1% think twice about what they're doing its a win in my book.
 
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OldArcher

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Interesting story to cite.

Posted for fair use.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/19/politics/donald-trump-south-carolina-john-pershing/index.html?eref=rss_topstories


TRUMP....letting Islamic terrorists know there will be no politically correct refrain to their jihads....as well as pi$$ing off CAIR!

On another note... Hillary Reaches Out To Iranian Front Group For Campaign Donations…
True story. 99 out of 100 muslim terrorists were executed, their bodies covered in pigs blood, then buried. Lone muslim terrorist released, to spread the tale. No muslim terrorism for almost a century... Sounds great to me, but I'd toss them, bound and live, into a giant corral, with as many feral hogs as could be found... With just one "survivor," to spread the tale. No muslim, root and branch, would survive after attacks on non-muslims... Message would be carried out, with due dispatch...

Maranatha

OldArcher
 
Some of you seem confused about Islam.

Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology with a cult following whose stated goal is world domination through violence if necessary.

If the story is apocryphal fine ... it's still a great idea.
 

Buick Electra

TB2K Girls with Guns
And what point would that be? That he doesn't know very much about the moslem religion?
The only effective weapon against terrorist is sure death, forget the pigs blood bull shit.

Terry,how ignorant are you of just the basic Muslim tenants? The Muslim terrorists ARE READY TO DIE. Consider it an honor TO DIE for their war. Dying for their faith, they believe, assures them entrance into heaven with 72 virgins waiting for them. BUT....if they even touch pork, much less eat it, they're screwed as far as heaven goes. That's why soaking the bullets in pigs blood would give them second thoughts.
 

OldArcher

Dowser, Mage, Intuitive
Terry,how ignorant are you of just the basic Muslim tenants? The Muslim terrorists ARE READY TO DIE. Consider it an honor TO DIE for their war. Dying for their faith, they believe, assures them entrance into heaven with 72 virgins waiting for them. BUT....if they even touch pork, much less eat it, they're screwed as far as heaven goes. That's why soaking the bullets in pigs blood would give them second thoughts.
Ah, Dear BE... Terry is ignorant about islam- and someday, it might get him, or someone he knows, dead. The story of "****** Jack" Pershing is true... Yes, that was how he was known in the US Army. Tough as nails, and implacable toward America's enemies, the muslim learned to fear him, as did the Spaniards before them, for it was his unit of black troopers that saved Teddy's bacon, at San Juan Hill...

God Bless You and Yours...

Maranatha

OldArcher
 

Be Well

may all be well
Trump understands that we are at war with the musloids.

It may be a bit early in the election game to show that card tho.
He has given very, VERY broad hints. Just saying "no more muzlems immigration/"refugees" is a big hint. He's also mentioned mosques. And that why they are filled with hatred and violence "needs to be figured out".
 

Be Well

may all be well
You left out the fact that he want's to then let them back in via that "nice big beautiful door" he said he would put in the wall.
Have you read his Immigration position papers? Link to his Immigration position:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

I have heard Trump say that illegals who are deported must go to the end of the line of those wanting to come to the US legally. A few quotes:

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.
Nationwide e-verify.
Note: the two above will make millions of illegals self deport. They can't legally work, nor get welfare. Thus...back home they will go.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy,
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens.
 
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