WAR trouble brewing again in ukraine

Doomer Doug

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The US offloaded a :poop: load of military supplies from a ship at Odessa, and then Joe went on his crimea rampage.

The Ukraine would be CRUSHED in any military confrontation with Russia, no contest, and if Putin wanted he could smash through all the way to the Ukraine and Slovakian border. Biden must be seriously freaking out the EU with the prospect of an actual, on the ground SHOOTING WAR breaking out in the Ukraine.
 
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The Brewing Conflict In Ukraine
Tyler Durden's Photo

BY TYLER DURDEN
SUNDAY, MAR 28, 2021 - 07:00 AM
Authored by Tom Luongo via Gold, Goats, 'n Guns blog,
Enter The Putinator
When Biden called Russian President a soulless “killer” on ABC News, Putin responded with the most deft bit of diplomacy I’ve seen in quite a while, openly challenging Fungal Joe to a publicly broadcast debate of substantive issues, which Biden, of course, declined.

For those that don’t remember the context, here’s the article from Zerohedge on the subject.
There can be no question now that all the disparate interests within The Davos Crowd are aligned at this point (see this month’s Newsletter for more discussion on this). All guns point at Russia.

Putin tried to defuse the situation with an offer that was at once an epic troll of Biden, who is clearly no match for his Russian counterpart cognitively, and a warning to Americans that this situation has gotten far more dangerous than they are being told.

And sometimes you win simply by taking the high road. Make no mistake the fact that Putin went here this early in Biden’s presidency is a bad sign. It tells us things are horrific between the world’s most prominent nuclear powers and that there’s been zero diplomatic effort put forth by the Biden administration since the election.

The problem is rapidly becoming that indiscriminate use of all weapons all the time — diplomatic, economic, military, propaganda — creates a kind of dopamine addiction. In order to keep the public interest in the threat they have to keep raising the stakes and the rhetoric to eventually absurd levels.

As I like to say all the time, it’s the first rule of screenwriting : Be forever raising the stakes lest the audience gets bored.

But there comes a point where people begin to realize that they are being asked to back a war where the existential threat to the elite’s power is transferred onto them. Remember folks, government’s fight and spend billions propagandizing you into believing their wars are for your own good.
It’s rarely the case, if ever. More often than not the war being ginned up in the media and by government officials is one that either feathers their own nest directly, supports the goals of other powerful folks indirectly, or covers up past corruption.

The brewing conflict in Ukraine is all of these and more. The project to add Ukraine to NATO and the EU is a long-held dream of neocons like Victoria Nuland and neoliberals like Biden. It’s an important cog in the World Economic Forum’s desire to expand the EU to both encircle Russia thereby disrupting any dreams of Eurasian integration which could form a bulwark against their brave new world.

What’s got Biden’s Depends in a bunch is that he’s neck-deep in the corruption in Ukraine. In Obama’s own words, Ukraine is Joe’s project. And Ukrainian President Volodomyr Zelensky is not fully subsumed into the morass of Biden’s (and the rest of the usual suspects’) problems.

Putin’s deft and cordial handling of Biden’s indiscriminate use of language was masterful here. Biden’s initial remarks are, at best, him trying to hold onto the Amy Poehler demographic (see reruns of Parks and Recreation for her slavish obsession with him as Vice-President) as a vibrant, macho man, while he implements every bad idea that that same demographic rejected from all the other Democrats during primary season.

But we can all see he’s nothing of the sort. He’s a barely coherent, rapidly fading bully with no discernible achievements in life other than being available to be a placeholder for someone else’s plans.

So, it was never a question as to whether Biden would ever talk to Putin under those conditions. They can’t even get him to talk with reporters for real, having to green screen him into backgrounds to make it look like he’s out in the world, doing stuff.

And don’t get me started on that embarrassment of a press conference held the other day. Running for re-election in 2024? This guy’s not going to be alive in 2024. Then again, since he didn’t run in 2020, what does it actually matter?

Elections are just Hollywood productions anymore anyway.

Biden’s counter is to now invite Putin and Chinese Premier Xi Jinping the big Climate Summit in late April where the WEF controls the agenda and Biden’s anti-diplomatic corps led by the completely over-matched Secretary of State Antony Blinken can further embarrass the U.S. on the world stage.

Since both Putin and Xi told the WEF to go scratch on both Climate Change, Agenda 2030 and, most notably from Putin, the Fourth Industrial Revolution, I don’t see how this summit ends any better than virtual Davos did earlier this year.

In fact, with Biden’s approach to both China and Russia so far, this summit is shaping up to be a colossal waste of time while also threatening everyone the world over with what they can expect policy-wise from the West until someone finally puts these insane people out of our misery.

With each day that passes the U.K., for example, under tyrant Boris Johnson sinks further into a complete totalitarian nightmare (see here, here, here, and here… from the last 24 hours) thanks to COVID-19, while ramping up the anti-Russian rhetoric to eleven.

But, back to Ukraine, because it’s tied directly to all this climate change nonsense. Putin understands as well that Biden will allow every escalation in Ukraine because he’s shackled by it and they need to complete the job started with the overthrow of Viktor Yanukovich in 2014.

That means we’ll see something far worse than Victoria Nuland’s latest Cookie Campaign for freedom. We’re going to see a war for the Donbass soon, likely right after Orthodox Easter and the end of the snow melt.

Putin tried to go directly to the people to end this destructive spiral to the bottom, because he knows where this ends.

It will be a confrontation that one side will have to commit to completely or allow it’s bluff to be called. The game Biden’s handlers have played to this point has been a massive escalation of rhetoric while continually moving real pieces into position for a real conflict. I just don’t see cooler heads prevailing here because there is no upside for the U.S., the EU and the WEF if China and Russia stand their ground and Biden et.al. back down.

Russia has to be destroyed or subjugated if the Great Reset is to happen and Europe is to remain a relevant global player. That means control of the Black Sea, which means taking back Crimea. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently reiterated publicly that Russia has had zero diplomatic contact with the European Union since the 2014 vote by Crimea to rejoin Russia.

Diplomacy is nearly over between the major powers. Biden’s simple refusal to talk to Putin publicly is a major event.

In the end everything we’ve lived through since COVID-19 began boils down to the need to destroy the global economy built on oil and coal, otherwise all major energy production stays under Eurasian control as it strengthens not Atlanticist as it peaks in global power and their grand dreams wither.

Time is getting short for this to happen. Public opposition to this program is rising. It happens now or not at all.

If there is a war in the Donbass this spring it won’t be a happy ending which extends U.S. primacy into the future but the moment when we realized its acceleration into irrelevancy.
 
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tanstaafl

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Doomer Doug said:
... if Putin wanted he could smash through all the way to the Ukraine and Slovakian border.
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I'm curious why you chose the border with Slovakia as the example? That particular border looks like it's barely 50 miles long and the only thing I can see worthy of including it is that it's at the western end of the east-west axis of the Ukraine (thus implying Russia could rage the entire length of the Ukraine) and you could just as easily have picked the border with Hungary for that. Now if you had picked the eastern Romanian border that would carry Russian forces through the north-south axis pretty much almost through Kiev's eastern suburbs. Just an idle thought, is all, and it played off my earlier question to another poster why they thought Russia would need to go through Belarus to get to the rest of the Ukraine (the answer was, they don't -- Russia shares a very long border with the Ukraine). Maybe a map will come in handy for those not familiar with the countries in the area.

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Doomer Doug

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Belarus and russia attacks poland and russia gets slovakia and NATO IS SCREWED. You think any of those 50 nations that condemned russia will send infantry if vlad has tanks on the border of slovakia? I don't. They will piss in their pants.
 
Zagdid

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Russia's plan to take Crimea was perfectly drawn up and executed. It fell into place like clockwork and there was nothing but chins dropping. Their plan to defend Crimea is likely also perfectly drawn up with the sober awareness of the price that will be paid. To quote Mr T, 'I pity the fool' that steps into this plan.
 
danielboon

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tanstaafl said:
I'm curious why you chose the border with Slovakia as the example? That particular border looks like it's barely 50 miles long and the only thing I can see worthy of including it is that it's at the western end of the east-west axis of the Ukraine (thus implying Russia could rage the entire length of the Ukraine) and you could just as easily have picked the border with Hungary for that. Now if you had picked the eastern Romanian border that would carry Russian forces through the north-south axis pretty much almost through Kiev's eastern suburbs. Just an idle thought, is all, and it played off my earlier question to another poster why they thought Russia would need to go through Belarus to get to the rest of the Ukraine (the answer was, they don't -- Russia shares a very long border with the Ukraine). Maybe a map will come in handy for those not familiar with the countries in the area.

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When they get going (the Russians)they will go all the way to the gates of Paris
 
Red Baron

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tanstaafl said:
I'm curious why you chose the border with Slovakia as the example? That particular border looks like it's barely 50 miles long and the only thing I can see worthy of including it is that it's at the western end of the east-west axis of the Ukraine (thus implying Russia could rage the entire length of the Ukraine) and you could just as easily have picked the border with Hungary for that. Now if you had picked the eastern Romanian border that would carry Russian forces through the north-south axis pretty much almost through Kiev's eastern suburbs. Just an idle thought, is all, and it played off my earlier question to another poster why they thought Russia would need to go through Belarus to get to the rest of the Ukraine (the answer was, they don't -- Russia shares a very long border with the Ukraine). Maybe a map will come in handy for those not familiar with the countries in the area.

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If Russia decides to "go large" and move beyond the Donbass itself, The most strategic objective would be the Dnieper river. Thus bisecting Ukraine almost in half.
 
Blue 5

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This is why the U.S. has been scrambling to rebuild V Corps and get it ready to defend Poland. The forward HQ has been established there. Clearly someone at the top of our military food chain saw what was likely to occur with the election, or was part of the coup, and took steps to get ahead of the curve.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
pretty much everyone in Ukraine west of Kyiv (how English speakers have to spell it now, 'Kiev' is too Russian) expects that one day the bear will take it almost to the Dnipro, and is resigned to that, since they consider the Kyiv/Lviv basin the 'core' of Ukrainian identity/language area.

plus anti Russian feeling is huge everywhere, and i can't imagine that Russia would want to deal with that...plus the expense would be too great.

no, i do not see russia advancing to take all of Ukraine. no point.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Zagdid said:
And yet Transnistria might gain Odessa and the surrounding land. ;)
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now that would be an interesting development...

ETA: but whoever ended up in charge in Kyiv would have to fight for Odessa. it's their main port...lots of cheap, great seafood from there gets distributed through out the country.
 
Zagdid

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Russia to annex Transnistria? – POLITICO

Russia to annex Transnistria?
There are growing signals that Russia may follow its absorption of the Ukrainian region of Crimea with the annexation of Transnistria, a region that broke away from Moldova in 1992.

BY ANDREW GARDNER
March 19, 2014 10:40 pm

Reports in Russia suggest that the speaker of Transnistria’s parliament has written to Moscow about the possibility of acceding to the Russian Federation. The request has not been confirmed, but, Moldova’s president, Nicolae Timofti, warned on Tuesday that such a step would be “counterproductive” for Russia, because it “would not improve Russia’s authority in the international arena”.

Transnistria is already well primed for accession to Russia, as, in 2006, 97.2% of Transnistrian voters supported a referendum on joining Russia. Its absorption would formalise the de facto relationship between the Transnistrian capital, Tiraspol, and Moscow, but it would end a decades-old process aimed at conflict settlement, under the wing of the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe. It would also, in Moldovan eyes, turn the 1,300 Russian military in Transnistria, originally labelled a peacekeeping force, into a potential occupation force. Tiraspol is only 75km from Chisinau, the Moldovan capital, along a good highway, and Russian and Transnistrian troops have reportedly been in a state of heightened readiness since 2 March.

At present, though, the principal fear is that Russia is preparing to destabilise the political situation within the rump of Moldova, by stoking separatism in an autonomous region in the country, Gagauzia. Kamil Calus, an analyst at the Warsaw-based Centre for Eastern Studies, said that Russia may be preparing a “Crimean scenario” in the enclave, which is populated by an Orthodox Christian Turkic group that has historically been pro-Russian. In February, 98.4% of Gagauz voted in a regional referendum in favour of joining Russia’s Eurasian Customs Union rather than pursuing deeper integration with the European Union.

Romania has so far remained silent about the events in Transnistria and Crimea. It has kept its Black Sea fleet in port and its foreign minister, Titus Corlatean, said on Tuesday (18 March) that Romania’s diplomacy was focused on promoting a united stance by the EU. Bulgaria’s foreign minister, Kristian Vigenin, has said his country fully supports the EU’s common line, dismissing reports that Sofia had opposed sanctions on Russia.
 
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Update: Currently, international analysts estimate that the highest possibility is that in eastern Ukraine there will be groups of Wagner mercenaries or Russian soldiers "on vacation", but it is unlikely that regular Russian soldiers will appear.
 
Zagdid

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Patrol boats - Ukrainian crews complete training in U.S. — UNIAN

Island-class patrol boats: Ukrainian сrews complete training in U.S. (Video)
11:05, 23.03.21

Ukrainian sailors are completing their training in the United States, where they have learned how to handle U.S. Island-class patrol boats for further serving on the vessels in Ukraine.



Two U.S. Coast Guard boats that were formerly patrolling the Atlantic coast are currently being prepared for departing to Ukraine's Odesa. They have already received Ukrainian names, "Sumy" and "Fastiv," the TV news service TSN reported.

"I am completely happy with these boats. ... They are not brand new, but their condition is equated to a new one. I believe these boats can serve for at least 15 years," Captain of the Sumy boat Serhiy Shcherbyna said.
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He was among those Ukrainian sailors, who in 2014 had to leave the city of Sevastopol after it had been captured by Russian troops.

Members of Ukraine's Navy underwent a special training course in the U.S. to understand the specifics of service on ships that are new to them. Under U.S. instructors' supervision, they learned everything that might be needed in real conditions.

After the training is over, the crews will serve on those boats. They say that during 10 weeks' training, their crews became a real team.

The boats will be able to patrol both the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, it said.
Now the vessels have been de-mothballed, checked and prepared for service.
 
Lurker

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I guess SloJo and da Ho really have things figured out to think they're going to play on two fronts via the Pentagon; China and Ukraine.

Bad time to be in the US Navy, hopefully their paperwork is current.
 
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