ALERT "They" Are Coming For AR-15 Parts

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
Why a letter of clarification from the ATF still doesn't mean squat?

For various determinations on legality of parts, it HAS to be from the "Firearms Technology Division" in Virginia. They are the so called final word on that and still reverse themselves back and forth. I had one "determination" on one 80% product that they reversed 1 year and 20,000 parts later. Same for pistol braces, three different determinations in two years. Same for bump stocks....


What they say only means what they say until they change their mind. They have approved certain gun importation, then reversed their decision and wanted customer lists so they could pick them up. They "Allowed" me to continue to sell my no longer approved parts until out of stock, then could not make any more and call it an 80% (Because it had the safety selector hole drilled. I wrote a fancy letter and submitted one to get it approved, others in the industry were like WTF are you letting him get away with and complained until they shut me off on that.)
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Thanks I changed it to 2019 like I always intended. Although, between 1910 and 1920 can be viewed as the cementing of fascism here in the USA.

In 1912 you got the IRS, and in 1912 you got the Sullivan Act in New York City, and in 1913 you got the Federal Reserve, and in 1919 you got the core foundation for banning anything you want to, ie the Volstead Act banning alcohol.

Mark my words, the next "100 days," is going to see a MASSIVE GUN CONTROL EFFORT SOME OF WHICH WILL STICK.

I have no faith in the "four RINOS," in the Senate, and my understanding is all it takes is a 51 vote majority to implement any specific gun control measure. Keep your eyes on the RINOS, RINOS, RINOS, RINOS,
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Dennis, in my view the powers that be are going to move on large mags first, then they are going after the Mossberg Shockwaves "shotguns that aren't classed as shotguns, because they scare the $%^^ out of them. After that they will go after all types of ammo at the state level, and using individual stores. After all, the point of this is the restrict, inhibit, and harass gun owners. The best way to do that is to mess with ammo supply, which is just what Wal mart did. And Wal Mart banning handgun ammo sales is HUGE RESTRICTION ON SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS.

And if you read the history of the American Revolution the one thing that triggered all of it was when the British made their moves on seizing arms and ammo from the armed militias and the individual patriots.

They will also push gun buy backs and try to change the cultural attitudes towards guns which will go a long way to gutting the 2nd Amendment.

Yep, by the end of the year for sure.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
And the drumbeats keep on and on and on. the link is here

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/06/donald-trump-meets-joe-manchin-gun-control/

Donald Trump Meets with Joe Manchin About Gun Control

President Trump met with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) about universal background checks and other gun controls on Thursday.

The Wall Street Journal reported that the meeting occurred in the White House, where Trump and Manchin “touched on a range of possible gun-related policy issues including background checks.”

One White House source said, “The president expressed interest in getting a result, so conversations will continue to see if there’s a way to create a reasonable background check proposal, along with other ideas.”

On March 26, 2017, Manchin told New York Times Magazine that Trump’s presidency marked “a complete opportunity” because gun owners trust Trump not to take the controls to an extreme.

On March 27, 2017, Breitbart News reported Manchin’s belief that Trump’s election provided a new chance for gun control.

AND IT WAS THE ANTI-CHINA CONSERVATIVE RICHARD NIXON WHO SOLD US OUT TO RED CHINA AND IT MAY BE TRUMP WHO SELLS US OUT ON THE 2ND AMENDMENT.
 

twobarkingdogs

Veteran Member
They will also push gun buy backs and try to change the cultural attitudes towards guns which will go a long way to gutting the 2nd Amendment.

Its going to be hard for them to change cultural attitudes toward guns when we have a new John Wick movie coming out

tbd
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The Texas Lt Governor is going full RINO and pushing for universal gun checks, which is really a national gun registry.

SIEG HEIL! The gun culture has already been changed and we lost that battle decades ago. Every seven years Disney re releases Bambi, and the main message of Bambi is hunting is evil and hunters are evil and guns are evi,l since they kill Bambi's Dad. sneer all you want but every child aged seven has been brainwashed by that movie every seven years since 1940 or so.
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
When the preliminary insanity is completed and finally moves into cluster **** mode I can assure you of this much.

They WILL be "coming" for much, much more than just AR and / or AK parts.

You know I'm right on this.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
"They" want you either enslaved or DEAD, Ben Sunday. And "they" are now in full "ban guns by the end of September mode as shown in this story.

https://rightwingtribune.com/2019/09/06/senate-promising/


Senate Promising To Pass A WAVE Of Gun Control Laws This Month

Posted By: Chris Badger Thomas September 6, 2019

Chris “Badger” Thomas RIGHT WING TRIBUNE–OPINION

Before Congress took its August break, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell declared that when the Senate returns, it will take up gun control in light of the El Paso and Dayton mass shootings. He said, “What we can’t do is fail to pass something,” Breitbart reports.

That statement has the progressive Left licking their chops, hopeful that a cowed Republican majority in the Senate will pass new gun control measures – with universal background checks, red flag laws, restrictions on AR-style rifles, and magazine capacity limits all on the menu. When the Senate debate begins next week, Democrats will inevitably repeat several lies that have gained traction on the Left in recent years. Here’s the truth.

The Democrats and those who blindly follow the hate, have labeled the AR as the “Assault Rifle of Mass Shooters” to create fear and panic. Democrats are pushing to Ban/Confiscate ALL AR style firearms in the United States.

The AR in AR-15 stands for “Armalite Rifle” after the original designing company. It does not stand for “assault rifle”. ArmaLite is the company that originated the design for the AR style of rifle back in the 1950s. The AR is nothing more than a rifle that has inter-changeable furniture to custom the looks and feel for the owner.



The overwhelming majority of mass shooters don’t actually use AR-style rifles. The Congressional Research Service wrote a lengthy report on this subject in 2015, defining a mass shooting as one in which three or more people are killed in a single incident. The study found that out of 317 mass shootings between 1999 and 2013, offenders used AR-style rifles in 31 incidents – or only 9.78% of the time.

These are Biden’s exact words from the first Democrat debate:
Folks, look, and I would buy back [assault] weapons. We already started talking about that. We tried to get it done. I think it can be done. And it should be demanded that we do it. And that’s a good expenditure of money.

Joe Biden said such an “assault weapons” buyback is possible and has already been a topic of conversation. He added that such a buyback ought to be “demanded” because “it’s a good expenditure of money.”

Biden also boasted about securing the 1994 “assault weapons” ban and said he also banned “the number of clips in a gun.”

He also pushed “smart guns,” saying, “No gun should be able to be sold unless your biometric measure could pull that trigger. It’s within our right to do that, we can do that. Our enemy is the gun manufacturers, not the NRA.”

Red Flag Laws Need To Be Federal Because they prevent “Bad people and mentally insane people” from possessing a gun.

Four points stick out the most:
A. Due process rights are put on the chopping block.

Anti-gun family members, friends, or acquaintances can levy dubious accusations to justify the confiscation of law-abiding gun owners’ guns. They can take these accusations to a court of law, even if the individual in question was not charged or convicted of a crime. In turn, due process rights are turned upside down, as gun owners are presumed to be guilty and must then prove their innocence.
B. Indefinite time frames for gun confiscation.

The duration of ERPOs is unclear — which could end up being weeks, months, or even a year. Gun owners would then be forced to go to court multiple times just to win their Constitutional rights back.
C. Red Flag Laws have Bipartisan Support

What makes red flag laws even more dangerous is the bipartisan support they currently boast. It is no secret when both parties come together on legislative matters, nothing good can come out of it.

D. ERPOs open up a Pandora’s Box of ways for cunning lawyers and conniving family members to exploit gun owners.

Red flag ERPO bills have been written so broadly on two fronts that in some instances, people are given near-endless possibilities by which to use the legal system to persecute gun owners.

Some ERPO bills restrict those who can report “high risk” individuals to family and law-enforcement, whereas some laws would expand the list to allow just about anybody to accuse.

The list of what violations you can be reported for is all over the place. If you drank beer one night, and someone took that the wrong way or thought you were out of control, they could take that to court. If someone was in your house and felt your guns were not stored properly, it could be grounds for a report. If you made a comment to someone or seemed depressed, virtually raising any type of “mental health” red flag could end with you battling for your Second Amendment rights in court.

Universal Background Checks to require a background check for every firearm sale and eliminate loopholes that allow for gun show sales or private sales.

The majority of criminals looking to obtain firearms don’t subject themselves to background checks. A Bureau of Justice Statistics survey of state prison inmates convicted of firearm crimes found that 79 percent acquired their firearms from “street/illegal sources” or “friends or family.” This includes theft of firearms, black market purchases of stolen firearms, and straw purchases. The survey also found that 12 percent obtained their firearms from firearm dealers (gun stores, pawn shops), while only 1.7 percent obtained firearms from anyone (dealer or non-dealer) at a gun show or flea market.

Universal Background Checks could easily be used to establish a national registry of gun owners. Current law requires that the FBI destroy the NICS background check records for approved gun sales within 24 hours of the report being generated. This fail-safe is in place to prevent the creation of a federal registry of gun owners. The H.R.8 Bill opens the registry through a loophole which is 100% illegal and against the rights of civilians.

These are the lies that will be told in the U.S. Senate in the coming weeks—both by Democrats and by moderate Republicans. It is no longer a “conspiracy” that the Democrats are “coming for your guns”, they openly admit it now. They have also learned that President Trump stands in their path, so they have been passing state laws and when certain states refuse they then turn to large companies such as Walmart.

The days of saying, “It will never happen” or “shall not be infringed” are days of the past, because it is happening and horrifically infringed upon.

Chris “Badger” Thomas is a Veteran who served our country as an Army Combat Medic.

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nebb

Veteran Member
So the gov wants to buy back our guns.....we the people are the gov......so I will give myself $100 for any guns I have. Problem solved and I cut out the middle man.
 

Shooter

Veteran Member
one thing not brought up.. I just had a sudden thought!! they say 12% got there firearms from gun dealers. I have never heard, how many criminals who used a gun, was there first crime? so the day before the crime, they were completely legal and could buy a firearm with a background check, I have never heard anything from this point of view..
 

IceWave

Veteran Member
Yup. I fully expect everyone to calmly turn in their evil, nasty, puppy and kitten killing Assault Rifle 15's and Automatic Killer 47's when told to do so by their government overlords.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Yup. I fully expect everyone to calmly turn in their evil, nasty, puppy and kitten killing Assault Rifle 15's and Automatic Killer 47's when told to do so by their government overlords.

...and the commies expect this to happen also.

All that hardware will be carried to the collection points on unicorns...with hammer-n-sickle flags flying from their horn.

Magically, every conservative, former gun owner will then become a snowflake once they are liberated from the oppression of having a gun to worry about.

and

and

Gun violence in liberal cities will instantly cease...Tyrone and his homies will start volunteering to better their community.



Meanwhile, back in Realityville...

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Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
New Zealand is taking the gun ban to the next level. It is now a $5,000 offense, along with jail time if you don't turn them in. Further, New Zealand's gun ban goes deep into the bench. It is now illegal in New Zealand to own a six shot pump shotgun, or any semi automatic rifles, of any magazine over 4 or 5 shot capacity.

The "plan," is to take gun owners down one at a time, in the middle of the night. Unless you have an armed response, 1,000 plus gun owners going to the capital and hauling the Marxist Prime Minister out, then they will make it stick.

As far as the USA goes, the revolution will begin, just like it did in 1775, when "they" come for the weapons of the armed militia, which is any private ownership of guns by anybody between 18, or 21, to 55 to 75. The standard for the militia back in 1775 was between 17 and 55. Of course that didn't include blacks, Indians, women mostly, so the armed militia of 2019 is much, much bigger, at least in the classes of people involved, than it ever was back in 1775.

They are coming for our guns. this is a given, so the only real issue is what we, collectively, and individually do.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I mean this is the level of MARXIST DEMOCRAT MORONS WE NOW FACE ON GUN CONTROL. Should I file this under Humor, or under politics? This fool confuses a 5.56mm NATO round with a 50 caliber round? :lol:

https://dailycaller.com/2019/09/23/sheila-jackson-lee-ar-15-50-caliber-10-boxes/

Sheila Jackson Lee Claims An AR-15 Fires a .50-Caliber Round, Weighs As Much As ’10 Boxes’


Virginia Kruta
Associate Editor
September 23, 2019 1:04 PM ET

Democratic Texas Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee claimed that an AR-15 fired .50-caliber rounds and weighed more than “ten boxes.”

In a video Nicholas Ballasy posted on YouTube last week, Jackson Lee claimed that Democrats were going to have to do more than just push stricter gun-control measures in the House.

Jackson Lee asserted that she had held an AR-15 and the experience shook her.

“I’ve held an AR-15 in my hand, I wish I had it. It is as heavy as 10 boxes that you might be moving and the bullet that is utilized, a .50 caliber, these kinds of bullets, need to be licensed and do not need to be on the street,” she explained.

While an AR-15 — which actually weighs between seven and nine pounds — can technically be custom-built to accommodate a .50-caliber round, the standard model off the shelf fires a .223 or 5.56mm round.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Here is some good news. It looks like the Marxist Democrat push to impeach Trump means gun control is dead for the foreseeable future.

the link is here.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...indicates-gun-control-dead-impeachment-focus/

Senate Staffer Indicates Gun Control Dead amid Impeachment Focus

An unnamed Senate staffer told the Washington Beacon’s Stephen Gutowski that gun control legislation is dead for now, as “the impeachment inquiry” is looming.

The universal background checks, “assault weapons” ban, and other gun controls that were front and center and presented as critical for public safety are now back-burner items.

Gutowski tweeted:

A Senate staffer tells me gun legislation is dead, at least for the time being, because of the impeachment inquiry.

6:06 AM - Sep 25, 2019

The information Gutowski shared squares perfectly with one of President Trump’s tweets on Tuesday, wherein he suggested the Democrats were trading their legislative agenda for an opportunity to get Republicans (and Trump himself).

Breitbart News reported Trump’s suggestion that Democrats have dropped the pursuit of gun control, infrastructure funding, and prescription drug relief to try to hurt Republicans.

 

Weps

Veteran Member
one thing not brought up.. I just had a sudden thought!! they say 12% got there firearms from gun dealers. I have never heard, how many criminals who used a gun, was there first crime? so the day before the crime, they were completely legal and could buy a firearm with a background check, I have never heard anything from this point of view..

I have looked and looked, never being able to verify this mythical "12%" they quote. I have however verified that 3% of incarcerated criminals convicted of crimes in which they were in possession of a firearm is 3% (0.70% in state facilities and 2.07% in federal facilities), verified by the Bureau of Justice Statistics in this study; Source and Use of Firearms Involved in Crimes: Survey of Prison Inmates, 2016
 

Miradus

Contributing Member
Consider that once they ban guns ... they only have one next logical step.

Ban Thinwater.

He can go into even a poorly-equipped machine shop and fabricate a working semi-automatic, an AR-15 or probably a "Thinwater Special" which would be superior to the AR-15. Shorter, more concealable, cheaper, disposable, etc.

At the very least he could fabricate a one-shot weapon which could be slipped into a coat pocket and concealed until it's used on one of the henchmen of the state to collect their top-of-the-line weapons that are forbidden to you mere mensch.

So for you and me, it's a thing in our closet that's at risk. For Thinwater? Any plans they have on effectively disarming the populace requires them to isolate and/or destroy him.

Hat tip to you, Thinwater. I remember you, bud.
 

Creedmoor

Tempus Fugit
Consider that once they ban guns ... they only have one next logical step.

Ban Thinwater.

He can go into even a poorly-equipped machine shop and fabricate a working semi-automatic, an AR-15 or probably a "Thinwater Special" which would be superior to the AR-15. Shorter, more concealable, cheaper, disposable, etc.

At the very least he could fabricate a one-shot weapon which could be slipped into a coat pocket and concealed until it's used on one of the henchmen of the state to collect their top-of-the-line weapons that are forbidden to you mere mensch.

So for you and me, it's a thing in our closet that's at risk. For Thinwater? Any plans they have on effectively disarming the populace requires them to isolate and/or destroy him.

Hat tip to you, Thinwater. I remember you, bud.

They’ll go after assault tools used in the manufacture of such items first.
 

Miradus

Contributing Member
They’ll go after assault tools used in the manufacture of such items first.

Maybe, but I think if they've gone that far they'll be gloves off by that point.

Already there's 4 alphabet agencies who hunch over their video monitors and hold their breath with eager anticipation if Thinwater so much as picks up a hole punch and a piece of sheet metal. He could convert his whole shop over to making birdhouses and the powers that be would still never feel safe.
 

Miradus

Contributing Member
I for one don’t WANT TPTB to feel safe. Ever.

Agreed.

May dangerous engineers putting undocumented dangerous creations in the hands of dangerous men keep their statist dreams disturbed for the next two hundred years.

On the topic specifically, I don't own an AR and I don't want one. A lever action 30-30 was good enough for John Wayne and it's good enough for me. It's rate of fire is capable of keeping up with my mediocre aim and if it's ever needful then I can get top grade military equipment by the truckload, only dropped once.
 
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