phloydius
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They will anyways. The media will report it that way. And the people will believe it.
GOV/MIL There is a "Real Risk" The Government Will Shut Down At The End Of The Month
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They will anyways. The media will report it that way. And the people will believe it.
They can and will blame reptiles for blocking
all this ‘highly important’ pork/payoffs it’ for the children and ‘infrastructure’ and paying off their political helpers
Doomer Doug
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Schumer just announced he had a "deal" with the rinos for a Thursday morning continuing resolution vote in the senate. Not a peep on the two infrastructure bills.
This is still a FAIL since BOTH AOC AND JAYPAL just said they will vote down the smaller infrastructure bill UNLESS the $3.5 trillion bill is passed first.
I also assume the progressives will vote down the cr to avoid the shutdown.
Shut down Thursday at midnight.
This is still a FAIL since BOTH AOC AND JAYPAL just said they will vote down the smaller infrastructure bill UNLESS the $3.5 trillion bill is passed first.
I also assume the progressives will vote down the cr to avoid the shutdown.
Shut down Thursday at midnight.
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Meemur
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I think that's an order from the CCP. Chaos will soon follow. Got preps?
Doomer Doug
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We are dealing with progressive true believers here. Unless they get the $3.5 trillion "biden's agenda" passed NOTHING WILL MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE.
Personally, it is fascinating to watch this kind of Imperial sleaze oozing out of dc.
Wisdom has left dc and there is only mindless folly left.
Personally, it is fascinating to watch this kind of Imperial sleaze oozing out of dc.
Wisdom has left dc and there is only mindless folly left.
Doomer Doug
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Okay, this 
keeps getting deeper. The house just voted 219 to 212 to extend the debt limit to December of 2022. All republicans voted no except one rino. All demoncrats voted yes except 3 or so.
The vote is a joke since it won't pass the senate.
What will the progressives do now?
Manchin and Sienna said they won't vote for the $3.5 bill. The Republicans won't either so even after all this prancing around nothing is changed.
keeps getting deeper. The house just voted 219 to 212 to extend the debt limit to December of 2022. All republicans voted no except one rino. All demoncrats voted yes except 3 or so.The vote is a joke since it won't pass the senate.
What will the progressives do now?
Manchin and Sienna said they won't vote for the $3.5 bill. The Republicans won't either so even after all this prancing around nothing is changed.
night driver
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What's hilarious is that when we find 2 Congress critters who actually STAND BY their CONVICTIONS...
They are turn-coat Dims...
They are turn-coat Dims...
Doomer Doug
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Just so you all understand what a scam piglosi pulled tonight, you should realize she KNOWS the debt increase bill will fail in the senate too.
The infrastructure bills will also fail.
Sheesh, schumer has about 24 hours to sort this crap out.
The infrastructure bills will also fail.
Sheesh, schumer has about 24 hours to sort this crap out.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
He'd be further ahead just herding cats.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Increasing the debt limit isn't going very well for the demoncrats in the US Senate. It failed to pass on Monday, so they tried it on Tuesday and it failed to pass a second time. Are they going to keep voting on it? Weds or Thursday?
Thursday at midnight is when TSWHTF.
Pelosi is talking about passing a clean continuing resolution to prevent the government shutdown and fund spending, but not increase the debt limit.
Whatever happens in the house, the senate doesn't have the Demoncrat votes to increase the debt limit. And the demoncrat progressives will not vote for either a debt increase or the smaller infrastructure bill, the $1.2 Trillion one, UNTIL they pass the $3.5 Trillion bill FIRST.
If there is NO vote at all, or it doesn't pass, the $3.5 trillion liberal fantasy bill will be like a kidney stone in the bowels of the US House of Representatives.
Remember BOTH BILLS, plus the debt increase, must pass both chambers.
We should all take steps to prepare for financial chaos starting on Oct 1st, followed on October 18th.
Get some cash on hand for the next three months. Make sure you can pay your rent and utilities at LEAST till the end of the year.
I realize this budget and debt theater happens every year. Unless Jaypal backs off, which I see NO sign of happening, then the debt limit won't be increased, and the government will shut down midnight Thursday.
All good advice, Doug and a certain - much higher than the national average - percentage of our board members can afford to do that. The problem is that the vast majority of Americans can't. When we see statistics about the average (and supposedly fairly high) American income, they are very highly skewed by the high income earners. Most people have trouble keeping body and soul together month-to-month.
TPTB fully understand this. Unless they want to see massive crime, civil unrest, starvation and rioting - which they may - they'll pull some financial magic to keep this faux economy running a bit longer.
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Chuck Schumer said Wednesday night that the Senate had reached a deal to vote Thursday on a short-term government funding bill to avoid a shutdown.
Under the agreement the Senate will vote on the stopgap continuing resolution (CR) on Thursday. Congress has until the end of the day Thursday to avert a government shutdown that would otherwise start Friday.
“We are ready to move forward. We have an agreement on the CR, the continuing resolution to prevent a government shutdown and we should be voting on that tomorrow morning,” Schumer said from the Senate floor.
The bill funds the government until Dec. 3, as well as providing emergency money for Afghan refugee resettlement and disaster relief.
Republicans are trying to force Democrats to lift it on their own under reconciliation, a budget process that lets them bypass the filibuster. Democratic leadership has so far ruled out that option. Congress has until Oct. 18 to avert a historic default, according to a letter this week from Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.
Under the agreement the Senate will vote on the stopgap continuing resolution (CR) on Thursday. Congress has until the end of the day Thursday to avert a government shutdown that would otherwise start Friday.
“We are ready to move forward. We have an agreement on the CR, the continuing resolution to prevent a government shutdown and we should be voting on that tomorrow morning,” Schumer said from the Senate floor.
The bill funds the government until Dec. 3, as well as providing emergency money for Afghan refugee resettlement and disaster relief.
Republicans are trying to force Democrats to lift it on their own under reconciliation, a budget process that lets them bypass the filibuster. Democratic leadership has so far ruled out that option. Congress has until Oct. 18 to avert a historic default, according to a letter this week from Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen.
Schumer locks in Thursday vote on bill to avert government shutdown
Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday night that the Senate had reached a deal to vote Thursday on a short-term government funding bill to avoid a shutdown. Under the ag…
thehill.com
Doomer Doug
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The crunch will hit in November Doc1. Whether they pass the debt limit increase Thursday or not, nothing will happen till this drop dead date of October 11th or the 22nd.
SageRock
Veteran Member
The continuing resolution will probably pass the House and Senate. I suspect that it will happen tomorrow.
The debt ceiling is an altogether different beast. The reconciliation bill is the only way that it can pass, and they're reluctant to use that because of the rules attached to reconciliation. Those rules would not allow the debt ceiling to be removed for a specific period of time. Instead, the debt ceiling would have to be set to a specific dollar value. That means that the time at which it would once again affect day-to-day operations would not be a specific date, but rather would depend on the rate of spending. They don't like that!
The debt ceiling is an altogether different beast. The reconciliation bill is the only way that it can pass, and they're reluctant to use that because of the rules attached to reconciliation. Those rules would not allow the debt ceiling to be removed for a specific period of time. Instead, the debt ceiling would have to be set to a specific dollar value. That means that the time at which it would once again affect day-to-day operations would not be a specific date, but rather would depend on the rate of spending. They don't like that!
Doomer Doug
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This is just incredible. Briebart has a story where 2 Democratic Senators are saying the smaller bipartisan infrastructure bill, the $1.2 is going down in the house
Democrat Disarray: Democrat Senators Warn of ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Bill Not Passing the House
The Hill reported that two Democrat senators familiar with the bipartisan infrastructure bill voting talks in the House are expecting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to cancel Thursday’s scheduled vote due to not having enough votes.
The report noted that two senators, who are remaining anonymous, claim they are in contact with Democrat members in the House who believe there will not be enough votes since there are “at least two-dozen progressives planning to vote ‘no’ on infrastructure without a separate vote on a larger social spending package.”
“They will not pass it on Thursday. Enough of the House members understand that they would be gutting the Build Back Better agenda,” one Democrat lawmaker who is familiar with the internal discussions told the Hill.
“Nancy will pull it,” one of the two senators familiar with the discussion said to the Hill. “We’re pretty sure she won’t put it up for a vote. She’ll meet with the moderates and she’ll say, ‘Listen, I don’t put these things up when the votes aren’t there. It doesn’t help your cause to see it fail, it doesn’t help the president to see it fail.'”
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) — the chair of the far-left Congressional Progressive Caucus that consists of 94 members — threatened the passage of the bill last week and claimed last week that at least 48 of her radical friends are willing to block the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill saying there will be no infrastructure bill without reconciliation.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) speaks to reporters outside of the U.S. Capitol. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images).
On Wednesday, the congresswoman continued her threats during an afternoon appearance on MSNBC, stating that she now wants to have “a vote” on reconciliation before the vote on infrastructure.
Over the weekend, Pelosi reiterated her long-standing statement of “I’m never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn’t have the votes” while adding that the Democrats are “going to pass the bill this week.”
Pelosi added that “You cannot choose the date. You have to go when you have the votes.”
However, on Monday, Pelosi broke her promise to the “moderate” Democrats, saying she would vote on the bill and pushed the vote to Thursday. The Democrat infighting with Pelosi was the cause of the delay of votes, to give more time to Pelosi time to find more votes.
Democrat Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), while speaking to reporters Wednesday, the day before the scheduled vote, said, “If we fail to pass these two bills, people will not forgive us,” while referencing the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package, both containing parts of President Joe Biden’s radical agenda.
Follow Jacob Bliss on Twitter @jacobmbliss.
Democrat Senators Warn of 'Bipartisan' Infrastructure Bill Not Passing
Democrat senators familiar with infrastructure voting talks in the House are expecting Nancy Pelosi to cancel Thursday's scheduled vote.
www.breitbart.com
Democrat Disarray: Democrat Senators Warn of ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Bill Not Passing the House
The Hill reported that two Democrat senators familiar with the bipartisan infrastructure bill voting talks in the House are expecting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to cancel Thursday’s scheduled vote due to not having enough votes.
The report noted that two senators, who are remaining anonymous, claim they are in contact with Democrat members in the House who believe there will not be enough votes since there are “at least two-dozen progressives planning to vote ‘no’ on infrastructure without a separate vote on a larger social spending package.”
“They will not pass it on Thursday. Enough of the House members understand that they would be gutting the Build Back Better agenda,” one Democrat lawmaker who is familiar with the internal discussions told the Hill.
“Nancy will pull it,” one of the two senators familiar with the discussion said to the Hill. “We’re pretty sure she won’t put it up for a vote. She’ll meet with the moderates and she’ll say, ‘Listen, I don’t put these things up when the votes aren’t there. It doesn’t help your cause to see it fail, it doesn’t help the president to see it fail.'”
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) — the chair of the far-left Congressional Progressive Caucus that consists of 94 members — threatened the passage of the bill last week and claimed last week that at least 48 of her radical friends are willing to block the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill saying there will be no infrastructure bill without reconciliation.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) speaks to reporters outside of the U.S. Capitol. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images).
On Wednesday, the congresswoman continued her threats during an afternoon appearance on MSNBC, stating that she now wants to have “a vote” on reconciliation before the vote on infrastructure.
Over the weekend, Pelosi reiterated her long-standing statement of “I’m never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn’t have the votes” while adding that the Democrats are “going to pass the bill this week.”
Pelosi added that “You cannot choose the date. You have to go when you have the votes.”
However, on Monday, Pelosi broke her promise to the “moderate” Democrats, saying she would vote on the bill and pushed the vote to Thursday. The Democrat infighting with Pelosi was the cause of the delay of votes, to give more time to Pelosi time to find more votes.
Democrat Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), while speaking to reporters Wednesday, the day before the scheduled vote, said, “If we fail to pass these two bills, people will not forgive us,” while referencing the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package, both containing parts of President Joe Biden’s radical agenda.
Follow Jacob Bliss on Twitter @jacobmbliss.
Doomer Doug
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So you understand how this works, when the smaller bipartisan bill goes down in the house, it will likely take the $3.5 Trillion bill down with it. The progressives are saying no vote, much less any passing of the smaller bill, unless we get a vote and a pass for the larger "biden's agenda" bill. This being in the house. The debt limit increase passing only relates to the house.
The Senate, well the Senate already has at least 2 demoncrats who will vote the big one down, Manchin and the lady from Arizona, and when that happens, you watch and see if the small one doesn't go down either.
The final result of ALL this raving lunacy posing as political activity will be as follows.
Both the big and small infrastructure bill will go down in the house for various reasons.
Both of the big and small infrastructure bills will go down for various reasons in the US Senate.
Finally, the debt increase vote from the house will die in the Senate, from Cruz and/or Johnson objecting to it.
Bottom line is NOTHING will pass, not the debt increase, the big or small infrastructure bills at which point both the house and senate will take their regularly scheduled fall recess' and ignore everything till the 18th or so, when they come back and have to look like they are doing something.
The Senate, well the Senate already has at least 2 demoncrats who will vote the big one down, Manchin and the lady from Arizona, and when that happens, you watch and see if the small one doesn't go down either.
The final result of ALL this raving lunacy posing as political activity will be as follows.
Both the big and small infrastructure bill will go down in the house for various reasons.
Both of the big and small infrastructure bills will go down for various reasons in the US Senate.
Finally, the debt increase vote from the house will die in the Senate, from Cruz and/or Johnson objecting to it.
Bottom line is NOTHING will pass, not the debt increase, the big or small infrastructure bills at which point both the house and senate will take their regularly scheduled fall recess' and ignore everything till the 18th or so, when they come back and have to look like they are doing something.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Wow, this is just fascinating, watching all this brutal infighting amongst the demoncrats.
Democrat Disarray: Democrat Senators Warn of ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Bill Not Passing the House
MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty Images
JACOB BLISS29 Sep 2021507
2:42
The Hill reported that two Democrat senators familiar with the bipartisan infrastructure bill voting talks in the House are expecting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to cancel Thursday’s scheduled vote due to not having enough votes.
The report noted that two senators, who are remaining anonymous, claim they are in contact with Democrat members in the House who believe there will not be enough votes since there are “at least two-dozen progressives planning to vote ‘no’ on infrastructure without a separate vote on a larger social spending package.”
“They will not pass it on Thursday. Enough of the House members understand that they would be gutting the Build Back Better agenda,” one Democrat lawmaker who is familiar with the internal discussions told the Hill.
“Nancy will pull it,” one of the two senators familiar with the discussion said to the Hill. “We’re pretty sure she won’t put it up for a vote. She’ll meet with the moderates and she’ll say, ‘Listen, I don’t put these things up when the votes aren’t there. It doesn’t help your cause to see it fail, it doesn’t help the president to see it fail.'”
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) — the chair of the far-left Congressional Progressive Caucus that consists of 94 members — threatened the passage of the bill last week and claimed last week that at least 48 of her radical friends are willing to block the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill saying there will be no infrastructure bill without reconciliation.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) speaks to reporters outside of the U.S. Capitol. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images).
On Wednesday, the congresswoman continued her threats during an afternoon appearance on MSNBC, stating that she now wants to have “a vote” on reconciliation before the vote on infrastructure.
Over the weekend, Pelosi reiterated her long-standing statement of “I’m never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn’t have the votes” while adding that the Democrats are “going to pass the bill this week.”
Pelosi added that “You cannot choose the date. You have to go when you have the votes.”
However, on Monday, Pelosi broke her promise to the “moderate” Democrats, saying she would vote on the bill and pushed the vote to Thursday. The Democrat infighting with Pelosi was the cause of the delay of votes, to give more time to Pelosi time to find more votes.
Democrat Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), while speaking to reporters Wednesday, the day before the scheduled vote, said, “If we fail to pass these two bills, people will not forgive us,” while referencing the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package, both containing parts of President Joe Biden’s radical agenda.
Follow Jacob Bliss on Twitter @jacobmbliss.
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Democrat Senators Warn of 'Bipartisan' Infrastructure Bill Not Passing
Democrat senators familiar with infrastructure voting talks in the House are expecting Nancy Pelosi to cancel Thursday's scheduled vote.
www.breitbart.com
Democrat Disarray: Democrat Senators Warn of ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Bill Not Passing the House
JACOB BLISS29 Sep 2021507
2:42
The Hill reported that two Democrat senators familiar with the bipartisan infrastructure bill voting talks in the House are expecting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to cancel Thursday’s scheduled vote due to not having enough votes.
The report noted that two senators, who are remaining anonymous, claim they are in contact with Democrat members in the House who believe there will not be enough votes since there are “at least two-dozen progressives planning to vote ‘no’ on infrastructure without a separate vote on a larger social spending package.”
“They will not pass it on Thursday. Enough of the House members understand that they would be gutting the Build Back Better agenda,” one Democrat lawmaker who is familiar with the internal discussions told the Hill.
“Nancy will pull it,” one of the two senators familiar with the discussion said to the Hill. “We’re pretty sure she won’t put it up for a vote. She’ll meet with the moderates and she’ll say, ‘Listen, I don’t put these things up when the votes aren’t there. It doesn’t help your cause to see it fail, it doesn’t help the president to see it fail.'”
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) — the chair of the far-left Congressional Progressive Caucus that consists of 94 members — threatened the passage of the bill last week and claimed last week that at least 48 of her radical friends are willing to block the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill saying there will be no infrastructure bill without reconciliation.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) speaks to reporters outside of the U.S. Capitol. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images).
On Wednesday, the congresswoman continued her threats during an afternoon appearance on MSNBC, stating that she now wants to have “a vote” on reconciliation before the vote on infrastructure.
Over the weekend, Pelosi reiterated her long-standing statement of “I’m never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn’t have the votes” while adding that the Democrats are “going to pass the bill this week.”
Pelosi added that “You cannot choose the date. You have to go when you have the votes.”
However, on Monday, Pelosi broke her promise to the “moderate” Democrats, saying she would vote on the bill and pushed the vote to Thursday. The Democrat infighting with Pelosi was the cause of the delay of votes, to give more time to Pelosi time to find more votes.
Democrat Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), while speaking to reporters Wednesday, the day before the scheduled vote, said, “If we fail to pass these two bills, people will not forgive us,” while referencing the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package, both containing parts of President Joe Biden’s radical agenda.
Follow Jacob Bliss on Twitter @jacobmbliss.
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Doomer Doug
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Things aren't looking very good for the big $3.5 Trillion infrastructure plan in the Senate, Oh Boy. Sorry, gang but I just can't help smirking at watching the same demoncrat SCUM who just voted to butcher babies as they come out of the womb now impaling themselves on spewing money that doesn't exist everywhere in these bills.
www.zerohedge.com
Manchin Slams Dem Spending Plan As "Definition Of Fiscal Insanity", Will Not "Reengineer Social Fabric" With 'Vengeful' Taxation
BY TYLER DURDEN
WEDNESDAY, SEP 29, 2021 - 05:20 PM
Update (1720ET): Moderate Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia has issued a statement over his refusal to back his party's $3.5 trillion spending plan, calling "trillions more on new and expanded government programs" the "definition of fiscal insanity" when we "can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security."
Full statement below (emphasis ours):
"Every Member of Congress has a solemn duty to vote for what they believe is best for the country and the American people, not their party. Respectfully, as I have said for months, I can't support $3.5 trillion more in spending when we have already spent $5.4 trillion since last March. At some point, all of us, regardless of party must ask the simple question — how much is enough?
What I have made clear to the President and Democratic leaders is that spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs, when we can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security and Medicare, is the definition of fiscal insanity. Suggesting that spending trillions more will not have an impact on inflation ignores the everyday reality that America's families continue pay an unavoidable inflation tax.
Proposing a historic expansion of social programs while ignoring the fact we are not in a recession and that millions of jobs remain open will only feed a dysfunction that could weaken our economic recovery. This is the shared reality we all now face, and it is this reality that must shape the future decisions that we, as elected leaders, must make.
Since the beginning of this reconciliation debate, I have been consistent in my belief that any expansion of social programs must be targeted to those in need, not expanded beyond what is fiscally possible. Our tax code should be reformed to fix the flaws of the 2017 tax bill and ensure everyone pays their fair share but it should not weaken our global competitiveness or the ability of millions of small businesses to compete with the Amazons of the world. Overall, the amount we spend now must be balanced with what we need and can afford — not designed to reengineer the social and economic fabric of this nation or vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending.
In August, I recommended we take a strategic pause to provide time to develop the right policies and to continue to monitor how the pandemic and economic factors are affecting our nation's fiscal situation before we spend more. Throughout September, I have made it clear to all those who would listen the need to means test any new social programs so that we are helping those who need it the most, not spend for the sake spending.
While I am hopeful that common ground can be found that would result in another historic investment in our nation, I cannot — and will not - support trillions in spending or an all or nothing approach that ignores the brutal fiscal reality our nation faces. There is a better way and I believe we can find it if we are willing to continue to negotiate in good faith.
If there is one final lesson that will continue to guide me in this difficult debate ahead it is this: America is a great nation but great nations throughout history have been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest responsibility as elected leaders and pass on a better America to the next generation."
* * *
As expected, the Senate is set to kick the can down the road on funding the government past a Thursday night deadline. According to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the chamber will vote today or tomorrow on a "clean" continuing resolution (CR) which will avert a shutdown until December 3.
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Manchin Slams Dem Spending Plan As "Definition Of Fiscal Insanity", Will Not "Reengineer Social Fabric" With 'Vengeful' Taxation
BY TYLER DURDEN
WEDNESDAY, SEP 29, 2021 - 05:20 PM
Update (1720ET): Moderate Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia has issued a statement over his refusal to back his party's $3.5 trillion spending plan, calling "trillions more on new and expanded government programs" the "definition of fiscal insanity" when we "can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security."
Full statement below (emphasis ours):
"Every Member of Congress has a solemn duty to vote for what they believe is best for the country and the American people, not their party. Respectfully, as I have said for months, I can't support $3.5 trillion more in spending when we have already spent $5.4 trillion since last March. At some point, all of us, regardless of party must ask the simple question — how much is enough?
What I have made clear to the President and Democratic leaders is that spending trillions more on new and expanded government programs, when we can't even pay for the essential social programs, like Social Security and Medicare, is the definition of fiscal insanity. Suggesting that spending trillions more will not have an impact on inflation ignores the everyday reality that America's families continue pay an unavoidable inflation tax.
Proposing a historic expansion of social programs while ignoring the fact we are not in a recession and that millions of jobs remain open will only feed a dysfunction that could weaken our economic recovery. This is the shared reality we all now face, and it is this reality that must shape the future decisions that we, as elected leaders, must make.
Since the beginning of this reconciliation debate, I have been consistent in my belief that any expansion of social programs must be targeted to those in need, not expanded beyond what is fiscally possible. Our tax code should be reformed to fix the flaws of the 2017 tax bill and ensure everyone pays their fair share but it should not weaken our global competitiveness or the ability of millions of small businesses to compete with the Amazons of the world. Overall, the amount we spend now must be balanced with what we need and can afford — not designed to reengineer the social and economic fabric of this nation or vengefully tax for the sake of wishful spending.
In August, I recommended we take a strategic pause to provide time to develop the right policies and to continue to monitor how the pandemic and economic factors are affecting our nation's fiscal situation before we spend more. Throughout September, I have made it clear to all those who would listen the need to means test any new social programs so that we are helping those who need it the most, not spend for the sake spending.
While I am hopeful that common ground can be found that would result in another historic investment in our nation, I cannot — and will not - support trillions in spending or an all or nothing approach that ignores the brutal fiscal reality our nation faces. There is a better way and I believe we can find it if we are willing to continue to negotiate in good faith.
If there is one final lesson that will continue to guide me in this difficult debate ahead it is this: America is a great nation but great nations throughout history have been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest been weakened by careless spending and bad policies. Now, more than ever, we must work together to avoid these fatal mistakes so that we may fulfill our greatest responsibility as elected leaders and pass on a better America to the next generation."
* * *
As expected, the Senate is set to kick the can down the road on funding the government past a Thursday night deadline. According to Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), the chamber will vote today or tomorrow on a "clean" continuing resolution (CR) which will avert a shutdown until December 3.
Doomer Doug
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Hmm, schumer is now saying the senate will vote this morning Thursday, it is almost 9am in Sodom on the Potomac, on a clean, avoid the shut down till December 3rd bill.
The House will/has already done the same thing. We shall see as the debt ceiling increase is still a FAIL. Both of the infrastructure bills are still a fail in Both the senate and house.
I will wait till the continuing resolution funding the government till December 3rd actually passes.
I am not sure how you can fund the government till 12-3-21 when the debt limit expies October 18th?
And paypal
is going to vote down the bills yada yada, and Manchin is going to vote down the big bill in the senate.
No debt increase means no money for November but they have money till December 3rd?
What a joke. Wall Street hates uncertainty by the way.
The House will/has already done the same thing. We shall see as the debt ceiling increase is still a FAIL. Both of the infrastructure bills are still a fail in Both the senate and house.
I will wait till the continuing resolution funding the government till December 3rd actually passes.
I am not sure how you can fund the government till 12-3-21 when the debt limit expies October 18th?
And paypal
is going to vote down the bills yada yada, and Manchin is going to vote down the big bill in the senate.No debt increase means no money for November but they have money till December 3rd?
What a joke. Wall Street hates uncertainty by the way.
Wow, this is just fascinating, watching all this brutal infighting amongst the demoncrats.
Democrat Senators Warn of 'Bipartisan' Infrastructure Bill Not Passing
Democrat senators familiar with infrastructure voting talks in the House are expecting Nancy Pelosi to cancel Thursday's scheduled vote.www.breitbart.com
Democrat Disarray: Democrat Senators Warn of ‘Bipartisan’ Infrastructure Bill Not Passing the House
MANDEL NGAN/AFP via Getty Images
JACOB BLISS29 Sep 2021507
2:42
The Hill reported that two Democrat senators familiar with the bipartisan infrastructure bill voting talks in the House are expecting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) to cancel Thursday’s scheduled vote due to not having enough votes.
The report noted that two senators, who are remaining anonymous, claim they are in contact with Democrat members in the House who believe there will not be enough votes since there are “at least two-dozen progressives planning to vote ‘no’ on infrastructure without a separate vote on a larger social spending package.”
“They will not pass it on Thursday. Enough of the House members understand that they would be gutting the Build Back Better agenda,” one Democrat lawmaker who is familiar with the internal discussions told the Hill.
“Nancy will pull it,” one of the two senators familiar with the discussion said to the Hill. “We’re pretty sure she won’t put it up for a vote. She’ll meet with the moderates and she’ll say, ‘Listen, I don’t put these things up when the votes aren’t there. It doesn’t help your cause to see it fail, it doesn’t help the president to see it fail.'”
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) — the chair of the far-left Congressional Progressive Caucus that consists of 94 members — threatened the passage of the bill last week and claimed last week that at least 48 of her radical friends are willing to block the passage of the bipartisan infrastructure bill saying there will be no infrastructure bill without reconciliation.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA) speaks to reporters outside of the U.S. Capitol. (Anna Moneymaker/Getty Images).
On Wednesday, the congresswoman continued her threats during an afternoon appearance on MSNBC, stating that she now wants to have “a vote” on reconciliation before the vote on infrastructure.
Over the weekend, Pelosi reiterated her long-standing statement of “I’m never bringing a bill to the floor that doesn’t have the votes” while adding that the Democrats are “going to pass the bill this week.”
Pelosi added that “You cannot choose the date. You have to go when you have the votes.”
However, on Monday, Pelosi broke her promise to the “moderate” Democrats, saying she would vote on the bill and pushed the vote to Thursday. The Democrat infighting with Pelosi was the cause of the delay of votes, to give more time to Pelosi time to find more votes.
Democrat Majority Whip Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC), while speaking to reporters Wednesday, the day before the scheduled vote, said, “If we fail to pass these two bills, people will not forgive us,” while referencing the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the $3.5 trillion reconciliation package, both containing parts of President Joe Biden’s radical agenda.
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Doug, they eat their young, too…
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Doomer Doug
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It's the abortion bill I think. The demoncrats have been given over to their folly and lust.
The Arizona Democratic Party just censored the woman senator for blocking the big infrastructure bill.
The Arizona Democratic Party just censored the woman senator for blocking the big infrastructure bill.
Doomer Doug
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I'm still waiting for the actual extend to December 3rd bill to pass. The house goes on break today I think and the senate on the 8th. So, you watch them demon demoncrats, especially paypal, all jump in the pit and start mud wrassling.
They will make up rules.
"We vote to print more money without raising the debt limit."
BAM!!!
Done.
See how easy that was?
Doomer Doug
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Russia and china are licking their lips and chomping at their bits to take down our fiat federal dollars as the global reserve currency!
Doomer Doug
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The scheduled government midnight shutdown won't happen due to the CR passed a few minutes ago.
However, the ENTIRE demoncrat agena has FAILED including both bills and the debt limit increase.
Consider can kicked to October 18th when all hell breaks out. No foodstamps for November means anarchy in systemic racism and blm antifa land.
However, the ENTIRE demoncrat agena has FAILED including both bills and the debt limit increase.
Consider can kicked to October 18th when all hell breaks out. No foodstamps for November means anarchy in systemic racism and blm antifa land.
danielboon
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This is only getting started just wait until the UN blue helmets arrive then it will get nasty
Doomer Doug
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Oh Blue Helments 
Doomer Doug
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It is now 6pm EST Friday 9-30-21
I wonder if ANY of the two bills have passed either the house or senate, much less the debt increase?
I wonder if ANY of the two bills have passed either the house or senate, much less the debt increase?
John Deere Girl
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Does this extend the default scenario to December as well?
no, debt limit is .gov ‘authority’ to issue debt which are various bonds with the fed as main purchaser
when .gov hits that ‘limit’ treasury can only work with cash receipts you can look up US gov cash accounts on treasury site somewhere most major papers list .gov cash accounts in finance section or used to any way.
at debt limit they play games with cash receipts vs bills come due
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