INSANITY The White House Admits It: We Might Need to Block the Sun to Stop Climate Change
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Doughboy42
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George Orwell said something like "some ideas are so stupid, only intellectuals could believe them,"
Who's who in this video?
Outstanding! You can be the test case. Don't forget to report in occasionally.
Not soon enough for me
Huh. I think we should hire one of those cheap Chinese rockets and show them the terminator line. It’s really purty. So I have heard.
bev
Has No Life - Lives on TB
*Need a language warning on this video.
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Brian Stelter, CNN and John Coleman, the older gentleman.
Afterward, it is TYT - The Young Turks, and, apparently, some of their usual bad language that I missed noting.
SurvivalRing
Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
My thoughts exactly.
But, the science behind “nuclear winter”, which involved Carl Sagan himself, was based on a planet the size of earth, but with no rotation, no winds, and sitting still in space (no tilting of the planet during its annual journey around the sun).
Yes…
In reality, and about nuclear winter …
Now, the real facts…
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Allen E Hall's answer: Some military analysts think the USA would win hands down Nuclear war in the 21st century would not be the end of Russia or the USA and certainly not mankind Many of us can remember a time that the threat of MAD or Mutually Assured Destruction was a very real threat. A ti...
My knowledge comes from owning and reading dozens of books on all areas of nuclear death… from FEMA books, to Managing Nuclear Winter from the Brookings Institute…but this particular bite sized chunk comes from “The Cold and The Dark”.
The Cold and the Dark: The World After Nuclear War: Ehrlich, Paul R., Sagan, Carl, Kennedy, Donald, Roberts, Walter Orr, Thomas M.D., Lewis: 9780393302417: Amazon.com: Books
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SurvivalRing
Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
Don’t think so…he operates with a single black pawn, knocked off a single white square, by his ever-loving shart attacks…
Walrus Whisperer
Hope in chains...
I remember that movie, but cant think of the name of it......
Bps1691
Veteran Member
Here’s an idea.
Let’s put all these idiots who want to screw up the atmosphere by seeding it with chemicals onto flights to the South Pole.
Once there give them each a cold shower, then dump their sorry as*es about 3 miles out on the ice sheets.
All this foolishness driven by the insanity of the climate religion has done more damage to mankind’s future than the things they rule against
Let’s put all these idiots who want to screw up the atmosphere by seeding it with chemicals onto flights to the South Pole.
Once there give them each a cold shower, then dump their sorry as*es about 3 miles out on the ice sheets.
All this foolishness driven by the insanity of the climate religion has done more damage to mankind’s future than the things they rule against
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
Maybe at last those of us who've been posting about this will no longer be labeled as posting "woo"...I am posting this as insanity rather than science because it is insane, and on the main forum rather than "Earth Changes whatever" because the White House/Administration is involved, which also makes this potentially politics and a potentially insane policy. I hope the funding for this never sees the light of day, the results could be catastrophic!
The White House Admits It: We Might Need to Block the Sun to Stop Climate Change
Photo Illustration by Erin O'Flynn/The Daily Beast/GettyWe’re entering the final days of COP27, the UN’s annual climate summit, and it’s safe to say that this year’s edition was disappointing—to say the least. It was widely panned by climate experts and activists and drew intense criticism for...news.yahoo.com
The White House Admits It: We Might Need to Block the Sun to Stop Climate Change
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Tony Ho Tran
Fri, November 18, 2022 at 9:40 AM·7 min read
We’re entering the final days of COP27, the UN’s annual climate summit, and it’s safe to say that this year’s edition was disappointing—to say the least. It was widely panned by climate experts and activists and drew intense criticism for being sponsored by the likes of Coca-Cola, the world's leading plastic polluter.
Moreover, like so many climate summits in the past, little action has actually taken place in terms of concrete climate action and policy. In fact, the argument could be made that the biggest decisions to fight climate change weren’t decided at COP27, but rather at the G20 summit between the U.S. and China. Similarly, the U.S. government also signaled last month that it’s looking into one of the most controversial and consequential climate change-fighting tactics yet.
On Oct. 13, the White House announced that it was funding a five-year-research plan into one of the most controversial proposals for fighting climate change out there: geoengineering, or the technologies and innovations that can be used to artificially modify the Earth’s climate.
The report will be dedicated specifically to a form of geoengineering known as solar radiation management. This is a technique that essentially involves spraying fine aerosols into the atmosphere to reflect sunlight away from the Earth. The idea is that, once it’s reflected, there’ll be less heat and temperatures will go down.
<div class="inline-image__caption"><p>World leaders gather in Egypt for COP27, an event widely criticized by climate experts and activists for being a hypocritical display of virtue signaling by elites.
The research plan will be modeling how SRM might impact the atmosphere and assess its viability as a potential technique used to “manage near-term climate risk.” Put it another way: We want to know whether or not we should include this in our “break glass in case of climate disaster” box.
While it sounds a bit bonkers, the world has actually seen inadvertent SRM before after large volcanic eruptions throw massive amounts of gas and debris into the atmosphere and block out the sun. The 1816 Tambora Volcano eruption in Indonesia resulted in what became known as “the year without a summer” throughout Europe and North America after temperatures sank by as much as 3 degrees Celsius.
For some context, the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement included a goal to keep temperatures from rising by 2 degrees Celsius (with a stretch goal of 1.5 degrees Celsius that we’ve completely shat the bed on). So a controlled version of SRM is often thought of as a viable method to prevent the worst climate disasters. Even the UN recognized the potential of this technology at COP27—much to the chagrin of many activists who are fervently against geoengineering.
"Geoengineering is a sign of industrial desperation," Panganga Pungowiyi, an organizer at the Indigenous Environmental Network, said during a panel at the climate summit.
Regardless, it’s a radical and potentially life-saving research plan—and it’s one that some of its oldest and ardent supporters believe is a cause for celebration.
Global temperature typically drops after a large volcanic eruption due to debris and gas reflecting sunlight away from the Earth.
“I was delighted to hear that the U.S. government is funding a five-year research plan,” Stephen Salter, a professor emeritus at the University of Edinburgh and marine engineer, told The Daily Beast. “It is an indication that, at last, they are taking the problem seriously.
For decades, Salter has championed geoengineering as a viable tactic in order to deal with the world’s worsening climate issues. He’s even invented several devices and systems that can tackle these problems such as the “Salter sink,” which was created in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in 2007 and that he said could cool ocean temperatures down enough in order to stop powerful storms from forming.
Salter was also one of the first researchers to propose SRM as a means to cool down the Earth. However, all of his proposals and ideas have largely fallen on deaf ears due to what he describes as the “stupidity of decision makers” in government. He has a bit of an ax to grind when it comes to this matter: In 2005, the U.K. government rejected his proposal to use SRM to prevent sea temperature rise.
That’s why the White House’s willingness to invest in solar geoengineering research is such a big deal. The U.S. government is recognizing that we might have to turn to incredibly drastic, experimental measures in order to stop climate disaster: blocking out the sun. If the U.S. does so, many other countries might follow as well.
“I hope that [the five-year-research plan] will encourage people in other countries and that some money will go towards engineering not just governance where most goes now,” Salter added.
But, of course, such a measure doesn’t come without risk. Geoengineering critics warn that it could have unintended consequences that ripple out all over the globe. [Ya think? Melodi]After all, when you spray aerosols into the atmosphere, they’re going to spread out. Its effects would be felt everywhere no matter where you initially sprayed it. This could lead to a butterfly effect of disastrous events.
For example, temperatures could dip so low that it results in crop loss—which we’ve experienced before in the year without a summer. Changes to the atmosphere could also intensify weather events like storms. Some research suggests that solar geoengineering could even spread diseases.
But Salter believes that the risks are often overstated. He asserts that SRM is also an entirely reversible system that can be stopped with “one mouse click” after which “the effects will be gone at the next rain shower.”[This feels like the opening of a grade B disaster movie - Melodi] SRM would just be a tactic that helps us buy time while we try to address issues like reducing carbon emissions.
Blocking the Sun Is a Risky Gambit for Fighting Climate Change. It May Also Be Our Best Option.
Also, the five-year-research plan from the White House would also be researching the dangers and risks associated with solar geoengineering. When we employ a method like this, it wouldn’t be without extensive modeling. We’d have at least a close approximation of what would occur if it does happen.
Besides, we might run an even greater risk if we do nothing at all.
“It’s like the airbags in your car,” Andrew Dessler, the director for the Texas Center for Climate Studies at Texas A&M University, told The Daily Beast. “You never want to use them, but you’ll be glad you had them when you do.”
Dessler believes that, while we should do all we can now to limit global temperature rise by aggressively reducing carbon emissions, it’s better to have solar geoengineering systems ready just in case we might need it in the future. To do that, then, we need to start researching the approach now—so we know what to expect when we do need to use it.
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“You can imagine a scenario where it’s 2040. Climate change is out of control. People suddenly realize, holy crap, this is awful,” he said. “You got to do something immediately. In that case, SRM might be your least bad option.
“It’s not the way you want to handle the problem,” he added. “The right way to handle the problem is to start cutting your emissions immediately, so you don’t get yourself into that situation. But I definitely see a pathway in the future where we do need to deploy it.”
As the adage goes, drastic times call for drastic measures. What does it say then that the U.S. government has decided to put some skin in the game and fund research and resources into solar geoengineering?[Perphaps it says they gave all gone crazy?- Melodi]
At the recent U.N. climate summit, Secretary-General Antonio Guterres announced that the world was on the “highway to climate hell.” Not only have we failed to reach the 1.5 degree Celsius threshold outlined by the Paris Climate Agreement, but we’re well on our way to blowing past the 2 degree Celsius goal as well.
That means that we’re increasingly finding ourselves with limited options. With our backs against the wall, an ocean rising to our feet, and the planet burning around us, we might have little choice but to use the airbag—and pray that it saves us all.
(of course, this has already been going on, on an 'experimental' basis, for years:
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sleepyeddie
Senior Member
I`ve got my own sun block.
How can people ignore this?
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I first started noticing it in the early 90's--when one day, unloading my boys from their baby car seats, I noticed the "contrails" were no longer dissipating as they always had (and I'd noticed / watched them since my childhood in the 60's) but instead hanging in the sky for hours, gradually diffusing into wide bands that eventually covered the entire sky, leaving it an ugly blank grey...
mzkitty
I give up.
Well, Kamala was at a climate change meeting recently. I'm sure that was *helpful*
www.c-span.org
Vice President Harris Meeting with Climate Change Leaders
Vice President Harris met with a group of leaders on the Biden administration's climate agenda.
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Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Cognitive Dissonance. Quite easy for people.
I like to call it intellectual laziness. It is everywhere.
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
My story EXACTLY. 1995 or 1996. They no longer dissipated. If people just knew a little science, they could EASILY understand the difference between contrails an chemtrails. The .Gov wants us to believe that chemtrails are contrails, but that is impossible. at 35,000 feet, the temperature is -50 to -60 degrees F. The reason that contrails dissipate so quickly, is cold air cannot hold water vapor. Therefore, after 1995 or 1996, they were no longer JUST water vapor.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
“Knowing”, IIRC.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I remember that Ken Cook, a popular Atlanta Meteorologist who retired some years ago, back in the late 90's actually said out loud on air that the "clouds" in the sky were NOT natural "cirrus" clouds but were actually chem-trails from "aerosol spraying" in the atmosphere, and that they were "soaking up all the humidity" and thus causing rain-fronts to dissipate and causing droughts. Immediately the station went to a commercial break, and when the news came back on, Ken was there still but was very subdued and did not mention the chem trails again that night or any other night.
But he knew the truth, and was brave enough to speak it. I've never forgotten.
But he knew the truth, and was brave enough to speak it. I've never forgotten.
Southside
Has No Life - Lives on TB
And then there was Scott Stevens, a meteorologist from Colorado.
Youtube vid below.
1 hour 21 minutes
Al about Chemtrails, from a meteoroligist.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Every day…..every day…..
And then I multiply the tragedy with coffee….lots of coffee…..
Damaged goods, I tell yuh.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Snowpiercer?
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
That is not their main goal with this, they know it is a lie, and they would be spraying diseases, poisons, toxins, metals, and God only know what else on all of us, oh yeah, graphene oxide, and possibly morgellon's disease.
They want us to get less sunshine, a natural vitamin D, a mood enhancer, and a natural healer and disinfectant.
They are wanting to kill us all...therefore, I continue to pray and speak against this and also for more people to wake up!
They want us to get less sunshine, a natural vitamin D, a mood enhancer, and a natural healer and disinfectant.
They are wanting to kill us all...therefore, I continue to pray and speak against this and also for more people to wake up!
Profit of Doom
Dismember
That other guy with his own mic is an idiot.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
So they use HAARP to start some bad weather and droughts, instruct the owned media channels to report it and repeat the lies about this garbage repeatedly, and people are believing it...seriously, this is all a scam. Climate change, part of a evil agenda in their lustful desire to move the wealth and success out of this country, and other european countries, while China ramps up what they are trying to poo poo us for, as "big no-nos," while flying their jets all over the globe.
Hypocrites...lying, delusional hypocrites. They planned on using this at the time they decided to destroy and dismember this country.
Can you see what time it is???
Hypocrites...lying, delusional hypocrites. They planned on using this at the time they decided to destroy and dismember this country.
Can you see what time it is???
MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Thank you for that Chart MS, it fits pretty well with several others I've seen, though the current dip isn't always shown quite as large, we are nowhere near hot enough to be even thinking about this sort of stuff.
I do agree, and said in my intro to the first post, that they probably already have been doing experiments along this line, such "programs" often start out "black" to refine them and get proof of concept.
To get to the point where there is official US government funding in the "White" world means it is probably already ongoing and I agree that it could have been slipped into those giant spending bills under some warm and fuzzy sounding name with a rubber stamp.
The difference (as I see it) between this and a "Nuclear Winter" is that a nuclear winter is the theoretical result of a large number of atomic bombs (and their relatives) going off nearly all at once in a great war, this produces so much dust that the world goes into a mini-ice age for a few years. While this is possible, the debate centers on just how much "dust" such an event would release, and simply no one knows for certain whether this would happen or not.
On the hand, it is a scientific reality (yeah they do exist) that so-far, recent history and 100,000 years of polar ice cores, suggest that a very large volcanic eruption in the right place, can provide enough dust and ash in the air to change the over-all weather patterns to cooler and often wetter ones for about five years. Then the Earth seems to revert back to more solar and other natural climate stimulators.
What these idiots want to do, is to try to create the same "effect" without the volcano using dust and stuff flung into the atmosphere by humans on purpose. They are actually crazy enough to think they can control this (if they can get it to work) and then "stop it at the click of a mouse" if there are "unintended consequences," like say the North Atlantic Oscillation decides to move Southward at the same time they try to pull this off and we kick off a real Ice Age, instead of a miniature one.
I do agree, and said in my intro to the first post, that they probably already have been doing experiments along this line, such "programs" often start out "black" to refine them and get proof of concept.
To get to the point where there is official US government funding in the "White" world means it is probably already ongoing and I agree that it could have been slipped into those giant spending bills under some warm and fuzzy sounding name with a rubber stamp.
The difference (as I see it) between this and a "Nuclear Winter" is that a nuclear winter is the theoretical result of a large number of atomic bombs (and their relatives) going off nearly all at once in a great war, this produces so much dust that the world goes into a mini-ice age for a few years. While this is possible, the debate centers on just how much "dust" such an event would release, and simply no one knows for certain whether this would happen or not.
On the hand, it is a scientific reality (yeah they do exist) that so-far, recent history and 100,000 years of polar ice cores, suggest that a very large volcanic eruption in the right place, can provide enough dust and ash in the air to change the over-all weather patterns to cooler and often wetter ones for about five years. Then the Earth seems to revert back to more solar and other natural climate stimulators.
What these idiots want to do, is to try to create the same "effect" without the volcano using dust and stuff flung into the atmosphere by humans on purpose. They are actually crazy enough to think they can control this (if they can get it to work) and then "stop it at the click of a mouse" if there are "unintended consequences," like say the North Atlantic Oscillation decides to move Southward at the same time they try to pull this off and we kick off a real Ice Age, instead of a miniature one.
Henry Bowman
Veteran Member
The best part is these "Idiots" ( nobody is this stupid) are allowed to run ( Ruin) things by us.
John Deere Girl
Veteran Member
Things never end well when man decides to play God.
bassaholic
Veteran Member
Less Vitamin D = more sick people.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
I'm watching a new series on Netflix called Ancient Apocolypse right now, highly recommend btw, and Graham Hancock tells us that the sea levels rose drastically after the last ice age, like 400 feet and in a very short period of time. Prior to that there was a 2000 year deep freeze period where things went really wrong with the Sun. Anyway, go watch it it's worth the time and he brings up some really good questions.