HEALTH THE THIN ANTI-BIOTIC LINE GETS EVEN THINNER 10-15-2015

[Doomer Doug]

I have to say the medical implications of the total failure of modern antibiotics to deal with disease are severe. What would happen if we had no functional antibiotics to treat certain diseases or bacteria? It would mean everybody who got TB would eventually die. It would mean the billions of dollars invested in physical medical infrastructure, like hospitals, clinics would have to written off. Assuming you can't treat staph infections for example, and one broke out in a hospital: YOU WOULD HAVE TO BURN IT TO THE GROUND TO DESTROY THE BACTERIA YOU COULD NO LONGER TREAT WITH ANY ANTIBIOTIC.

We face a lot of different health/disaster/disease issues like Ebola or AIDS. Still, if modern society ever gets to the point it is unable to treat bacteria with antibiotics it would mean hundreds of thousands, possibly several million people would die from diseases we now routinely treat with antibiotics.

Yep, what would happen if Pestis, the bacteria responsible for the Black Death, was no longer treatable by any antibiotic. Even now, we still get a few cases of Black Death around the world. We keep it pounded down with antibiotics, limit its spread and control it more or less.

If New York City ever had an outbreak, was unable to treat it, it would see, especially with the airborne version, an explosion of cases.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-heavy-use-medication-making-ineffective.html


Antibiotic-resistant bugs may soon make routine operations 'impossible': Research shows 'catastrophic' evidence that use heavy use of medication is making it ineffective

Researcher found evidence vital medication is becoming ineffective
Over using antibiotics has led to a build up of bacterial resistance
Cancer sufferers and women having C-sections face added risk of infection

By Daily Mail Reporter

Published: 18:11 EST, 15 October 2015 | Updated: 18:37 EST, 15 October 2015

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Routine operations could become ‘virtually impossible’ without urgent action to tackle the threat posed by antibiotic resistance, a study has found.

Researchers have uncovered ‘catastrophic’ evidence that the vital medication is gradually becoming ineffective because it has been so heavily used.

Cancer sufferers, women having caesareans and even patients undergoing simple surgical procedures are developing deadly infections which cannot be cured by antibiotics.
Researchers from Washington warned that if the crisis of antibiotic resistance is not tackled urgently, common types of surgery and chemotherapy will become impossible


Researchers from Washington warned that if the crisis of antibiotic resistance is not tackled urgently, common types of surgery and chemotherapy will become impossible

In a study spanning more than 40 years, researchers found that half of patients who contract an infection after surgery cannot be treated with standard antibiotics.

The same is true for 39 per cent of women who develop an infection after a caesarean and 27 per cent of those following chemotherapy.

Researchers from Washington warned that if the crisis of antibiotic resistance is not tackled urgently, common types of surgery and chemotherapy will become impossible.

They calculate that if the effectiveness of antibiotics were to drop by less than a third, there would be 120,000 more infections and 6,300 deaths in the USA a year.

They did not provide estimates for the UK but based on our smaller population this would be roughly 24,000 additional infections and 1,260 deaths annually.

The crisis has been caused by antibiotics being so overprescribed over the past 50 years that the bacteria they are meant to treat have gradually evolved to become resistant.

Experts including the Chief Medical Officer Dame Sally Davies have repeatedly warned that patients could soon die from minor scratches and routine operations after contracting a lethal bug which cannot be treated.

Dr Ramanan Laxminarayan, Director of the Centre for Disease Dynamics, Economics and Policy, Washington, USA examined 31 existing studies published between 1968 and 2011.
Researchers have uncovered ‘catastrophic’ evidence that the vital medication is gradually becoming ineffective because it has been so heavily used

These had all looked antibiotic’s effectiveness at preventing infections common types of surgery and chemotherapy for blood cancers.

The findings published in the Lancet Infectious Diseases show that 39 per cent of infections following c-sections or hysterectomies – to remove the womb – were caused by antibiotic resistant bugs.

This rose to 51 per cent for patients who had been fitted with a pacemaker, 50 per cent following a biopsy for prostate cancer and 27 per cent after chemotherapy.

Dr Laxminarayan said: ‘This is the first study to estimate the impact of antibiotic resistance on broader medical care in the United States.

‘A lot of common surgical procedures and cancer chemotherapy will be virtually impossible if antibiotic resistance is not tackled urgently.

‘Not only is there an immediate need for up-to-date information to establish how antibiotic prophylaxis recommendations should be modified in the face of increasing resistance, but we also need new strategies for the prevention and control of antibiotic resistance at national and international levels.’

Dr Des Walsh, Head of Infections and Immunity at the Medical Research Council, a prestigious UK organisation which funds life-saving studies said: ‘If the antibiotics that we rely on to protect us after common surgery like caesareans, joint replacements, chemotherapy and transplant surgery, don’t work, it’s going to have a catastrophic effect on our healthcare system.’

This Summer, the health watchdog NICE issued stern guidance to GPs threatening to refer them to their regulator, the General Medical Council, if they continued to prescribe too many antibiotics.

Officials warned that ‘soft touch’ family doctors were routinely handing out the pills to patients with coughs, colds and in some instances hayfever.

 

[Milk-maid]

colloidal silver

 

[Meadowlark]

Seems those stockpiles of antibiotics for all those sick fish (cough cough) hidden away in freezers may become worthless.

 

[jed turtle]

colloidal silver

A yup. However, it is not a panacea, especially if one has a fast-moving infection threatening, for instance, the optic nerve which would give access to the brain...

 

[TimeTraveler]

Here comes the boogeyman once again. Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most when the sheeple are scared into a stampede?

 

[Milk-maid]

Here comes the boogeyman once again. Follow the money. Who stands to gain the most when the sheeple are scared into a stampede?

I'm not so sure that is true... I have a lot of family in the medical field and they are reporting the same thing; antibiotics are becoming ineffective against most serious infections. I also had a friend whose husband was dying from staph. He was on a cocktail of 3 different antibiotics and were talking about amputation to save his life.

Colloidal Silver fixed him right up...not just once, but twice.

MM

 

[TimeTraveler]

I'm not so sure that is true... I have a lot of family in the medical field and they are reporting the same thing; antibiotics are becoming ineffective against most serious infections. I also had a friend whose husband was dying from staph. He was on a cocktail of 3 different antibiotics and were talking about amputation to save his life.

Colloidal Silver fixed him right up...not just once, but twice.

MM

I understand what your saying. The answer to the problem is to develop new antibiotics. Scare the sheeple and the politicians open the funding spigot. Money flows to big Pharma. It's always about the money.

 

[Milk-maid]

Colloidal Silver is such a simple answer and it has worked every time I've used it.... as well as many other cases I personally know of.


I don't know why people put up such a barrier against it.


It works-- dang it!!!


If antibiotics don't work, why not try something else?

 

[TimeTraveler]

Colloidal Silver is such a simple answer and it has worked every time I've used it.... as well as many other cases I personally know of.


I don't know why people put up such a barrier against it.


It works-- dang it!!!


If antibiotics don't work, why not try something else?

Yes, it works. A good thing to know and remember.

 

[straightstreet]

Colloidal Silver is such a simple answer and it has worked every time I've used it.... as well as many other cases I personally know of.


I don't know why people put up such a barrier against it.


It works-- dang it!!!


If antibiotics don't work, why not try something else?

Milk-maid, do you make your own colloidal silver or purchase it elsewhere? If you do purchase it, can you provide a link or website please?

 

[niceguy]

Assuming you can't treat staph infections for example, and one broke out in a hospital: YOU WOULD HAVE TO BURN IT TO THE GROUND TO DESTROY THE BACTERIA YOU COULD NO LONGER TREAT WITH ANY ANTIBIOTIC.

Not quite. Cleanup is the province of disinfectants. Not needing to work inside the body, there is some more flexibility with those.

 

[Kathy in FL]

The staph infection my father had nearly killed him. They used heavy duty antibiotics I had to give him intravenously three times a day PLUS hyperbaric oxygen treatment PLUS silver impregnated bandages. It was the hyperbaric OT that finally helped. All the silver did was keep it from putrifying ... it didn't actually heal. So silver may help but it isn't a cure-all, especially as it is a topical application. Most septic situations are internal, staph can be internal, heck most infections are internal ... so silver is for when it is almost healed on in the early stages and located where the silver can be applied.

 

[Coco82919]

Here is a link to a study on colloidal silver.

http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=ht...50106&DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&locale=en_EP

Here is the link to buy quality colloidal silver http://www.purestcolloids.com/mesosilver_price_list.php

The study tells you how to use it and how much to use at a time.

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

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[ShadowMan]

Acacia, Aloe, Cryptolepsis, Echinacea, Eucalyptus, Garlic, Ginger, Goldenseal, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Honey, Juniper, Licorice, Sage, Usnea, Wormwood, etc., etc., etc., It's time to break out all the Old World standbys and start looking for more.

Also...it's surprising how much you can do to prevent disease with simple old fashioned soap and hot water. People have gotten lazy with all the chemicals and antibiotics readily available. I'm appalled by the lack of personal hygiene I see everyday when I'm out and about in the public.....eeeuuuuuuuuu!

Growing up we nicknamed my mother the Lysol Lady, because she was such a fastidiously clean housekeeper and Lysol was her number one favorite cleaner. Everything was washed and cleaned in HOT SOAPY water. Clothes dried on the clothes line out in the fresh air and sunshine.

 

[Melodi]

Sorry gang, Nightwolf is a trained herbalist as well as studying to be an MD; herbs are great for treating symptoms but most of the natural antibiotic ones also have resistance problems; yes they are good back up in case of emergency; will stop an MRSA infection? Probably not but you can use them anyway as in a potentially fatal situation anything is useful that isn't harmful (we used onion and garlic poltices on a bad post-surgical infection I had once, along with the major drugs (it did help).

This unfortunately is what happens when governments have to rely totally on a FOR PROFIT (as opposed to non-profit) drug industry that simply has no interest in making anything that doesn't bring in big bucks and from a share holders viewpoint why should they?

In the "good old days" US Tax Dollars and those of other nations, WERE INVESTED in drug research for both the military and University labs; much of which could then be used by the for profit companies - now this is considered "waste" of money and of course few people want to see laws mandating private corporations to make certain drugs but obviously they are not doing it on their own either.

Of course the CEO's of these big companies may rue the day they went on this course of action, when they themselves die (or their spouses and children die) from "dead" diseases or infections that can no longer be stopped.

It takes at least 10 years for new drugs to come to market and this situation has been warned about for over thirty, the day is almost here; perhaps labs in India and Brazil (or China) will save us; the Russians have some promising treatments; but I would hate to count on this alone.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

Sorry gang, Nightwolf is a trained herbalist as well as studying to be an MD; herbs are great for treating symptoms but most of the natural antibiotic ones also have resistance problems; yes they are good back up in case of emergency; will stop an MRSA infection? Probably not but you can use them anyway as in a potentially fatal situation anything is useful that isn't harmful (we used onion and garlic poltices on a bad post-surgical infection I had once, along with the major drugs (it did help).

This unfortunately is what happens when governments have to rely totally on a FOR PROFIT (as opposed to non-profit) drug industry that simply has no interest in making anything that doesn't bring in big bucks and from a share holders viewpoint why should they?

In the "good old days" US Tax Dollars and those of other nations, WERE INVESTED in drug research for both the military and University labs; much of which could then be used by the for profit companies - now this is considered "waste" of money and of course few people want to see laws mandating private corporations to make certain drugs but obviously they are not doing it on their own either.

Of course the CEO's of these big companies may rue the day they went on this course of action, when they themselves die (or their spouses and children die) from "dead" diseases or infections that can no longer be stopped.

It takes at least 10 years for new drugs to come to market and this situation has been warned about for over thirty, the day is almost here; perhaps labs in India and Brazil (or China) will save us; the Russians have some promising treatments; but I would hate to count on this alone.

You're right. As far as collodial silver, I have not found it very effective in deep body tissue infections such as uterine infections. I have used curad gel colloidal silver and it is good.

I don't trust the medical community. Yes we are becoming antibiotic resistant but they saw it coming and did nothing. They will do nothing unless there are big bucks given to them for research. Look at cancer research, BILLIONS, and now they have to admit THC cures most cancers as well as 50% of all cancers are bacterial and could have been killed with minocin antibiotic.

Now, it is almost impossible to get an antibiotic from your doctor even with a high white count. They are putting us on the fast track to the dark ages and many will die now from just simple infections, that was the plan all along. Inflammation is the real killer as you age and that my friend is the beginning of rapid heart disease development.

 

[Doc]

Probiotics, especially Saccharomyces boulardii for c-diff.

 

[Josie]

I don't trust the medical community. Yes we are becoming antibiotic resistant but they saw it coming and did nothing. They will do nothing unless there are big bucks given to them for research. Look at cancer research, BILLIONS, and now they have to admit THC cures most cancers as well as 50% of all cancers are bacterial and could have been killed with minocin antibiotic.

Now, it is almost impossible to get an antibiotic from your doctor even with a high white count. They are putting us on the fast track to the dark ages and many will die now from just simple infections, that was the plan all along. Inflammation is the real killer as you age and that my friend is the beginning of rapid heart disease development.

When I was a kid in the late '50's and early '60's, my pediatrician would not give antibiotics unless you were dying and probably not even then. He said that one day you will need that antibiotic and it will be useless because of antibiotic resistance. My mom took it to mean that we kids would be resistant and not the infection. In her mind, that made more sense! Fast forward forty years. I had a neighbor who every time her kids sneezed or did what she called wheezing (I called it heavy breathing because they've just run around t he house like a lunatic.), she would run to the doctor for antibiotics. She would doctor shop until she found one that would prescribe an antibiotic. No matter how I tried, I could not convince her that her kids very likely had a VIRAL infection and antibiotics would do zilch. They worked for bacterial infections but your kids own immune system had to kick in against viral infections and they would be stronger for it. So it isn't just doctors that are to blame. We, as the population, have been warned for the last 30 years about this and we still want that magic pill to make it go away. Sometimes you just have to be sick!

 

[Kathy in FL]

Acacia, Aloe, Cryptolepsis, Echinacea, Eucalyptus, Garlic, Ginger, Goldenseal, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Honey, Juniper, Licorice, Sage, Usnea, Wormwood, etc., etc., etc., It's time to break out all the Old World standbys and start looking for more.

Also...it's surprising how much you can do to prevent disease with simple old fashioned soap and hot water. People have gotten lazy with all the chemicals and antibiotics readily available. I'm appalled by the lack of personal hygiene I see everyday when I'm out and about in the public.....eeeuuuuuuuuu!

Growing up we nicknamed my mother the Lysol Lady, because she was such a fastidiously clean housekeeper and Lysol was her number one favorite cleaner. Everything was washed and cleaned in HOT SOAPY water. Clothes dried on the clothes line out in the fresh air and sunshine.

I should probably own stock in Lysol. LOL When I was in 4th grade I came down with one of the worst cases of pneumonia that I'd had to date. I was a really sick kid and if not for the military I probably wouldn't be here. Anyway that was the first year we moved to Florida and the change in climate shocked my system so badly it just couldn't cope. It didn't go "double" but came close enough there was only a hair difference. This old retired pedi had just started contracting to work out at MacDill the month I got sick. He is the one that got assigned to my case and kept me out of the hospital and off life support. He gave my mother some instructions that to this day she and I both still follow.

Lysol every freaking thing that gets touched or breathed on. I wasn't allowed to use the phone for a long time, especially not a public phone or one at someone else's home. All of my stuffed animals were taken away (germ catchers). I had to have a plastic cover on my bed and pillows. The bathroom and my bedding got a twice weekly beat down with liquid Lysol. My pillow was sprayed with aerosol Lysol when I got up in the morning and before I went to bed at night. We were one of the first families that I knew of that had a dishwasher because you could add heat and basically all but cook what you were washing. LOL For almost two years I didn't wear anything that couldn't be washed in hot water and/or bleached. I had my own drinking glass, dish, and silverware that got a bleach dip before meal and before storage. I was taking Vit C and Vit D before it was popular and drinking rose hip tea as well. (shudder)

Geez the list goes on and on. Gradually my immune system strengthened and I didn't have to live quite as paranoid but I still use Lysol and have an amazing number of bottles (liquid concentrate) and cans (aerosol) on hand at all times. I would hate to go back to living in a bubble just to survive day to day.

 

[ShadowMan]

What will probably happen is our planets biological clock will reset/reboot/kickass and there will be something that will break loose that we have no resistance to and no treatment for.....a major major pandemic, something on an order of Spanish Influenza or the Black Death....only worse. Something where the only treatment will be to hide and avoid all other human contact and simply wait for it to burn out.

There's a lot of nasty little "germy critters" out there yet undiscovered, not to mention the ones that we're growing right under our noses that only need a small window of opportunity and WHAM!! All of us will be up shitte creek without a paddle or a boat! It's only a matter of time.

 

[Kathy in FL]

What will probably happen is our planets biological clock will reset/reboot/kickass and there will be something that will break loose that we have no resistance to and no treatment for.....a major major pandemic, something on an order of Spanish Influenza or the Black Death....only worse. Something where the only treatment will be to hide and avoid all other human contact and simply wait for it to burn out.

There's a lot of nasty little "germy critters" out there yet undiscovered, not to mention the ones that we're growing right under our noses that only need a small window of opportunity and WHAM!! All of us will be up shitte creek without a paddle or a boat! It's only a matter of time.

I have been concerned about the same thing for a number of years. And I think it will come out of left field giving us very little time to respond constructively. There are pandemic plans for all 50 states but they take time to implement and the implementation needs to start quickly. Some of the stuff is pretty draconian but it quite literally is the only way. I've hypothesized my way through some of it using current logistics ... or they were current when I did it. It isn't going to be easy and there are going to be lots of factors beyond the original pandemic threat that will take people down and ultimately out.

 

[Adino]

there was a story that came out some time recently about a middle ages book that had been found that contained recipes for antibiotics

i tried to search here and yahoo real quick but only came up w/ a story about bees and honey's antibiotic properties

but, iirc, researchers made one of the concoctions and tested its antibiotic properties and were surprised w/ the results

anyone else recall that story?

and i love cs too, in fact i am fighting a sinus infection and neti w/ a little cs in my saline and am/ have used it successfully to treat the infection

have also used it to clear uti's

but it is not a panacea. it has to get to where the problem is in high enough concentrations

and for large or internal infections that may not be possible

 

[Deep Blue Dragon]

I healed my goat from bites she received from a dog attack that became infected using Epsom salt flushes followed by raw honey in the wounds.

When my rooster attacked me (DH sent him directly to freezer camp), I treated the resulting deep infected puncture wound in my calf with warm compresses of Summerthyme's anti-infection soak (the recipe was posted here some years ago; it's basically a brew of salt, garlic, calendula and a little oil of oregano) followed by raw honey. It took a long time to completely heal, but it finally did.

Edited to add: I was watching the wound constantly for signs that the infection was spreading, in which case I would have gone to the doctor (having that luxury in today's world).

 

[Dux]

Wouldn't have to burn down hospitals, just bleach them down.

 

[Weft and Warp]

Probiotics, especially Saccharomyces boulardii for c-diff.

I had to take antibiotics this summer for a couple of reasons--one of which was a tick bite, and I had a severe reaction to one of the antibiotics.

Since then, I've decided to get serious about taking my probiotics. According to my family, I'm now on a "probiotic kick", but that reaction really scared me.

I had kefir already that I've been making on and off for years, but since that reaction, I've been drinking it in small amounts every day. I've also started making Kombucha, a fermented tea, which has Saccharomyces boulardii.

 

[kyrsyan]

As much as I'd like to say it's a money scare, it's not. The colleges have been saying this repeatedly (and I do mean repeatedly, as in multiple times per class per day) for over 20 years now. Or at least the one I went to did. In every single course that anyone that could possibly work in a med related field would take.

But folks are ignoring the changes that need to be made. Stop continually using antibacterial cleaners for every little thing. Stop taking antibiotics for things they won't work on. Make sure that when you do take an antibiotic, you take the entire course of antibiotics. Avoid getting simple wounds. When you do get them, clean them immediately and well with soap and water. Keep wounds clean. Take better care of your bodies period. Don't expect there to be a pill to fix everything so that you can be careless about your health. If your body is healthy to begin with (and not dosed out on prescription drugs) you stand a much better chance of not catching an infection in the first place.

It would help if the basic labs to show viral vs bacterial infection didn't take so long to get back. For a lot of docs the results don't come in for 72 hours. Way too long to ignore a bacterial infection nowadays. So docs are having to prescribe antibiotics if they even think there is a bacterial infection. Or at least around here. My son's doc and I have a basic system where she will prescribe the antibiotic but I will only get it if it turns out to be needed. But most docs won't do that, or can't do it, because the patients will get it and take it regardless.

Pharma can't make the needed changes, only the public can. All Pharma can do is try to find new antibiotics for use when the old ones stop working. And there aren't many out there. And folks who are allergic to certain antibiotic classes may find themselves in trouble faster than folks who can use any of them. We were so happy to discover that my son isn't allergic to sulfur based drugs a few weeks ago. The rest of the family is! But we can take another class of antibiotics that he can't have.

As for herbals, they could work. But it would take someone with serious experience and training to distill them to the strengths needed. It's not as easy as some folks seem to think. There is a specific degree in it called pharmacognosy. I was on the path for that degree when my life got derailed. At that point it was only being offered at two colleges in the US. But the "take a tbsp or pill" of an herb approach that a lot of folks use is not as effective as they think for a lot of things.

 

[Medical Maven]

I would not want to be a cosmetic surgeon, if this trend continues. The cost/benefit analysis of a hospital/clinic surgery would radically change. The rule of thumb should always be "stay out of the hospital",venture there only in extremis.

 

[Satanta]

While I have no issues with C-silver and natural remedies I also look at the fact that 'Way back when' people lived to the ruipe old age of 30 or so if they were lucky.

I used CS when I was dealing with my foot issues and it did absolutely zero except act as a wound rinse. Saline was cheaper for the same effect.

 

[shane]

I've posted about EpiCor for years here...

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...line-of-defense-against-all-things-bio-deadly...

Now, it's been over seven years of daily use where I've never again had any hint of flu, fever, cold or even sniffles, not even once!
And, I was like everybody else before that, got the flu at least once a year, occasional colds, allergy symptoms, etc. No more now!

In addition to the EpiCor, detailed at that link above, I've also been taking KI for about as long, 65mgs daily, which is half the thyroid
blocking daily dose you'd take for thyroid protection of nuke fallout. I credit it with also contributing to my being totally 100% sick free
all these years, and for many of those years I had otherwise been living a very unhealthy lifestyle. I can't say which helps more, but
am convinced they both contribute. Details on how that extra 50mgs of iodine, from the 65mgs of KI I take daily, is helping, see this...

http://fibromyalgiarecovery.com/uploads/IODINE_-_Solution_to_health_problems.pdf

So, if I'm pushed, and can only take two supplements to the field with me in any quantity, those are the two.

- Shane

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

While I have no issues with C-silver and natural remedies I also look at the fact that 'Way back when' people lived to the ruipe old age of 30 or so if they were lucky.

I used CS when I was dealing with my foot issues and it did absolutely zero except act as a wound rinse. Saline was cheaper for the same effect.

At the risk of being yelled down by some as in bed with big pharma allow me to observe that you must have been taking the wrong particle size/concentration, because as we have been told time and again CS can 'cure' any infection.

Sarcasm off.

Silver as a topical disinfectant is well known. For that matter Chlorox will kill the HIV virus like nobody's business, but in order to get enough inside the body to kill it there, vs. on surfaces, you will also kill the patient.

RR

 

[almost ready]

Kathy, your story sounds typical of the pre-antibiotic days. Lucky for you to have had an old school physician.

There was a story by Margery Williams, the Velveteen Rabbit, which was probably designed to make kids feel less bad when their favorite stuffed toys were burnt after they recovered from fever.

In the book, the little boy has scarlet fever, and his stuffed rabbit becomes alive and escapes from the sack before his things are burnt.

 

[Freeholder]

Sat, that thing about people only living to 30 or so back in the 'good old days' is partly an old wives tale (or a modern urban legend). A lot of babies and small children died; if you lived past childhood, you had a pretty good chance of making it to old age.

I think the most important thing to do for maintaining good health is to eat right. That means LOTS of green vegetables grown on healthy soil; and healthy protein sources like grass-fed meats, and cold-water fish. Add what you want to that (with only very small amounts of anything sweet, once in a great while), but make greens and healthy protein the bulk of your diet. Your body will be better able to fight germs off if it's properly nourished to start with.

And have, and know how to use, some of the remedies already mentioned above.

Kathleen

 

[Freeholder]

I've posted about EpiCor for years here...

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...line-of-defense-against-all-things-bio-deadly...

Now, it's been over seven years of daily use where I've never again had any hint of flu, fever, cold or even sniffles, not even once!
And, I was like everybody else before that, got the flu at least once a year, occasional colds, allergy symptoms, etc. No more now!

In addition to the EpiCor, detailed at that link above, I've also been taking KI for about as long, 65mgs daily, which is half the thyroid
blocking daily dose you'd take for thyroid protection of nuke fallout. I credit it with also contributing to my being totally 100% sick free
all these years, and for many of those years I had otherwise been living a very unhealthy lifestyle. I can't say which helps more, but
am convinced they both contribute. Details on how that extra 50mgs of iodine, from the 65mgs of KI I take daily, is helping, see this...

http://fibromyalgiarecovery.com/uploads/IODINE_-_Solution_to_health_problems.pdf

So, if I'm pushed, and can only take two supplements to the field with me in any quantity, those are the two.

- Shane

Shane, what is the usable lifespan on the KI tablets? I have two bottles that I got from you probably ten years ago or thereabouts; could we safely use them as an iodine supplement?

Kathleen

 

[shane]

Burn victims are especially susceptible to infections and silver impregnated dressings, like http://www.silverlon.com/silverlon-us are well accepted in the medical field for 1st and 2nd degree burns.

They are also used as wound dressings, on wound drain sites, surgical incisions, donor and graft sites and for abrasions and lacerations.

- Shane

 

[shane]

Shane, what is the usable lifespan on the KI tablets? I have two bottles that I got from you probably ten years ago or thereabouts; could we safely use them as an iodine supplement?

Kathleen

Open a bottle and take a quick peek, if still pristine white, they should be fine if they'd been stowed at room temp or below since acquired.
If grey or orange spots, discard.

According to the NRC...
http://www.nrc.gov/about-nrc/emerg-...edness/potassium-iodide/ki-faq.html#kiexpired
____________________

Is it safe to take KI tablets with an expired shelf-life?

Yes, potassium iodide tablets are inherently stable and do not lose their effectiveness over time. Manufacturers must label their products with a shelf-life to ensure that consumers purchase safe and useful products.

According to FDA guidance on Shelf-life Extension, studies over many years have confirmed that none of the components of KI tablets, including the active ingredient, has any significant potential for chemical degradation or interaction with other components or with components of the container closure system when stored according to labeled directions.
____________________

- Shane

 

[Milk-maid]

At the risk of being yelled down by some as in bed with big pharma allow me to observe that you must have been taking the wrong particle size/concentration, because as we have been told time and again CS can 'cure' any infection.

Sarcasm off.

Silver as a topical disinfectant is well known. For that matter Chlorox will kill the HIV virus like nobody's business, but in order to get enough inside the body to kill it there, vs. on surfaces, you will also kill the patient.

RR

I hate to hear things like this as it's simply not true.

Have you tried it yourself?
I have and people I know have. It has saved lives and it didn't take that much to do it.

For things like a open wound on a foot, there are Colloidal silver jells that are placed down inside the sore opening and then covered over to protect it from dirt. They are actually more effective than the liquid.

MM

 

[summerthyme]

RR... I fully understand your skepticism about colloidal silver in any sort of systemic infection, and it's absolutely true that it doesn't work all the time or on everything (then again, neither does anything else!)

But I *have* seen it work on a couple truly nasty systemic infections in people, (and it's nearly magic for severe uterine infections in animals when infused into the uterus itself- a tidbit I've filed away mentally for potential treatment of "childbed fever" after TSHTF and antibiotics aren't available)

While I know very well that anecdotes aren't the same as controlled studies, sometimes it's just hard to find another explanation other than "the silver worked". A case in point- one of my kids' mothers-in-law had a severe infection in her lymph system. She had lymph nodes in her armpits and groin the size of hens eggs, and nothing, including literally 10's of thousands of dollars of the strongest antibiotics available, did a thing. The doctor was actually suggesting radical surgery to remove the infected nodes (which likely would have crippled her- lymphedema would have almost been inevitable afterwards). She had tried colloidal silver, but couldn't afford to buy enough of it at internet prices. When her daughter found out that I was making it for our livestock, she told me the story.

I ended up supplying it to her for 6 months... and by the end of that time, the infection was completely gone! Nothing else had changed... she had stopped taking the last of the antibiotics they were trying about a month before she started the CS, and she didn't change anything else in her (fairly unhealthy) lifestyle. She said that she noticed an improvement in the tenderness and firmness of the infected lymph glands about 1 week after first taking the silver. (and no, she never developed even a hint of blue skin coloring!)

The problem is, for a cellulitis infection like Satanta had, it's difficult for *any* antibiotic to get at the seat of the infection. Even potent Rx antibiotics, taken orally, often won't touch it, which is why people end up on IV's for months.

I believe CS is probably the most potent "alternative" antibiotic out there, and it's what I'd reach for first IF I didn't have access to other ABX at some point. But given a choice, if I had a MRSA infection, I'm not going to turn down IV Vancomycin and drink colloidal silver!

Summerthyme

 

[Jacki]

I am another person who has found CS very helpful. My father was on hospice, when he got an abscess in the groin area. He could not hold pills down, and the Dr's at the hospital told me that it would not heal before he died. They gave me instructions on cleaning and packing the abscess using a saline solution, but I had no saline, so used CS instead. The hospice nurses were shocked how well the CS worked, and the wound healed completely before he died.

I don't think it is a cure all, but it is an important part of my medical supplies.

Jacki

 

[Reasonable Rascal]

I hate to hear things like this as it's simply not true.

Go back and reread the part you emphasized and your response, and then try and tell me once again the logic behind your assertion.

RR