OT/MISC The Most And Least Reliable Cars In America

Redcat

Veteran Member
There is a guy near Fulton who repairs/replaces frames. Cost us $120 to get the frame on our 2009 Silverado reinforced and welded... he did a great job! He told us he had done 4 COMPLETE frame replacements in the previous month! Salt on northern roads is hell on underbody. Our truck was Ziebart undercoated and maintained... it's still rotting.

Summerthyme
Can u pm me his business or name? I would love to save it. Thanks
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I have had 2 Lexus LS's. Drive one of them back and forth from NC to Guadalajara several times with no fear of breaking down.. Still have it sitting in the driveway with over 300k miles. Runs great. Best car ever.

Had a 2008 Mercedes S class. Beautiful car. But damn that thing was a pain. I never left the house without worrying would I get where I was going?? AAA cancelled on me with that car because I had it towed 4 times in less than a year. Was so happy to get rid of that thing. My 16 year old nephew towed it somewhere and he and he and his buddy took it apart and sold it piece by piece.

2015 Tundra. Best truck ever. Drove it 3 years and No issues whatsoever. Nothing. So mad I sold it.... I still miss that truck !!

Like a dummy when I sold my Tundra, got an Infiniti QX80 in August. Towed twice in October and just this morning again in fact watched a roll back come haul it away to the stealership again. Plus it has to be the only vehicle I could have bought they got worse gas mileage than the Tundra. 12.7 MPG average. And, yes, Premium gas of course.

Had a Camry back in the 90's that never had any issues. Just change the oil and keep on driving.

My dad got me a BMW Z4 for my birthday in 2004 and drove it for 3 years without any issues. So I guess... not all German cars are bad, yeah, but from now on going to stick with Lexus or Toyotas.
 

Iowa Wiley

Contributing Member
Must be somewhere in the middle of the rankings. I find it hard to believe Ford would be doing that good.
I have a 2012 Ford Fiesta, it has a defective transmission that they let got while in production. Another was low beam headlights would fail because a relay would get corroded in the fuse box because it was designed wrong, they fixed in later models. I had to do my own fix to make it work:groucho:. But it is still going for now.
we are sending our 2011 Fiesta to the salvage yard this week. 240k miles and never burnt a drop of oil. If it wasn't for that crappy opposing clutch automatic transmission I'd have very little complaint for it. Consistently got 38+ mpg. But we had to have that transmission rebuilt 4 times (all under extended factory warranty) and the tranny was done and needed a 5th rebuild and I wasn't about to pay for it. I even looked into buying a rebuilt tranny, way too expensive if you could get one. Made of unobtanium. If I had it to do over again, and knew then what I know now, I would have bought it with a manual transmission and probably still be driving it today.
 

Iowa Wiley

Contributing Member
This list is about the same as the old Consumers Reports lists from 20 years ago and more. It was later noticed that the brands advertising in CR (especially Toyota/Lexus) always got their recommendations, whether it was a good year for their new cars or not.

They would keep talking about "initial quality", the stuff that is cosmetic or is fixed under warranty, and not about long-term reliability. I used to have a habit of buying their most-hated cars at a discount, after figuring out they had strong bones, and have done well with them. Still driving one 20 years later.

BMW is famous! It has good new-car reliability until just about the time the warranty runs out. Then they're a money pit. They used to have absurdly long oil-change intervals. Not because their engines are any better than others, but because the engine is durable enough to last thru the warranty period even with infrequent oil changes, but then the problems start. You can't even do a lot of the work with normal tools. There are special BMW tools, hundreds, that a mechanic is expected to have. It will be very expensive to repair that aging BMW.

Ford and Chevy are fairly cheap to fix, both parts and labor, at least the older ones are. Cars need maintenance and occasional repairs, and I want cars where that won't cost too much.

The mechanic closest to me hates all the new cars. Insanely complicated electronics, and if one thing breaks you'd better fix it immediately or it will start dragging down other things with it. Piston rings don't fit so tight on the cylinder walls as they used to, because that little bit of friction hurts the gas mileage. You use special thin oil like 0W16 and are expected to burn oil even when the car is pretty new.
BMW = Break My Wallet
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Dennis, I still don’t understand what it is you got against brushing horse hair out of your clothing, every day !!
No. Too much dog hair already.
Salt on northern roads is hell on underbody. Our truck was Ziebart undercoated and maintained... it's still rotting.
Which is why I NEVER drove the Aurora in winter. 24 hours before the first snow, it was sequestered in the garage and covered after putting the battery on a smart charger. Didn’t see daylight again until the third RAIN of spring (washed the salt off the roads.) Twenty five years later, only light surface rust on the underbody.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The 1999 Concorde I had was really solid, omfortable, and hardly any problems. I bought it with about 42,000 on it, and had it for ten years.

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But avoid this one like the plague:

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The Concorde was what Chrysler called internally a "7 metre car". The Chrysler 300m of that vintage was derived from the Concorde platform; it was called a "5 metre car". ? They were ok cars; the ones built before 2000 had some issues with the way the steering gear was mounted but otherwise no real problems with them. It was a problem if you tried to do a water pump change on the motors though-when you had to change out the water pump you had to take out the timing chain to get to it. Painful operation on that vehicle for sure.

I liked them, they had a good bit of power for a front wheel drive vehicle.
 

AlfaMan

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BMW = Break My Wallet


And don't forget-BMW's use a minimum of welds to put the vehicles together (primarily in the front of the vehicle-core support, tie bars and aprons). The rest of the car is bonded. Don't know what bonding is? Ever heard of gluing things together? Same thing. A good portion of a BMW (all models) are glued together. That 130k X-7 suv? Yep, glued together.
Makes me salivate at the thought of buying one.....

Not.
 

LYKURGOS

No Surrender, No Defeat!
2006-2010 Impala, 2004-2008 Grand Prix 300,000 mile plus on both platforms with very minimum maintenance. Not Sexy but man will they run. Love the 2004-2008 GM 3800 that was a bullet proof engine. My dad hauled dozens of those engines off to the recylcer because he had no more storage space and they weren't selling. The 20 that he kept are still sitting.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
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The Concorde was what Chrysler called internally a "7 metre car". The Chrysler 300m of that vintage was derived from the Concorde platform; it was called a "5 metre car". ? They were ok cars; the ones built before 2000 had some issues with the way the steering gear was mounted but otherwise no real problems with them. It was a problem if you tried to do a water pump change on the motors though-when you had to change out the water pump you had to take out the timing chain to get to it. Painful operation on that vehicle for sure.

I liked them, they had a good bit of power for a front wheel drive vehicle.

Wow, thanks for the info. Either there was a recall and it was fixed before I got it, or the first owners could have possibly fixed that if need be, IDK. Never had any issues like that, and ICR the number of miles I racked up in that time. I had a Grand Cherokee, also, for part of that time, and then a Trailblazer, but always drove that car most of the time.


The original owners had traded it in to get a new one. It was "champagne pearl." Oddly enough, I had been looking at an Alero at the time, but once I spotted that Concorde, I told my acquaintance/sales agent: I got to test-drive that one. Glad that I did. It was literally really satisfactory to drive and I designed well, imho.
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Wow, thanks for the info. Either there was a recall and it was fixed before I got it, or the first owners could have possibly fixed that if need be, IDK. Never had any issues like that, and ICR the number of miles I racked up in that time. I had a Grand Cherokee, also, for part of that time, and then a Trailblazer, but always drove that car most of the time.


The original owners had traded it in to get a new one. It was "champagne pearl." Oddly enough, I had been looking at an Alero at the time, but once I spotted that Concorde, I told my acquaintance/sales agent: I got to test-drive that one. Glad that I did. It was literally really satisfactory to drive and I designed well, imho.

Those cars (the LH series) were the first to benefit from the recent merger of Mercedes Benz and Chrysler corp at the time. Stiffer body structures was another benefit from the merger; along with some of the electronics. Mercedes benefitted from the profitability of the trucks, minivans and SUV's Chrysler was producing at the time.

Bet you didn't know this-at one point in the mid 50's Mercedes Benz was literally teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Buyers were being sought out, and the front runner of a buyer for them was no less than Studebaker.
 

Roger Thornhill

Some irascible old curmudgeon
I'm always a bit skeptical of these reliability surveys. So much depends on how a vehicle is driven, and how it's maintained. Jeeps are always near the bottom of the list, yet I've had nothing but reliable service from the four I've owned. My current 22-year old XJ Cherokee is right at 200,000 miles and still going strong.

I think many cars ( e.g. Jeep Wranglers, Hemi Challengers, F250 trucks) are driven very hard, whereas not too many Buicks or Lincolns are drag-raced or driven off-road. It would be interesting to see a survey which included how a vehicle is used.
 

Firebird

Has No Life - Lives on TB
My 2005 Cummins I sold to a friend, has over 500,000 miles on it now. I probably should have kept it
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Those cars (the LH series) were the first to benefit from the recent merger of Mercedes Benz and Chrysler corp at the time. Stiffer body structures was another benefit from the merger; along with some of the electronics. Mercedes benefitted from the profitability of the trucks, minivans and SUV's Chrysler was producing at the time.

Bet you didn't know this-at one point in the mid 50's Mercedes Benz was literally teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. Buyers were being sought out, and the front runner of a buyer for them was no less than Studebaker.

Great info! I did not know that. I sure wish that cars were all engineered like that one was. Changing a headlight (once!) was a pain, though!
 

Iowa Wiley

Contributing Member
I was told today by a BMW dealer that there's a 6-8 MONTH lead time in getting repair panels for the 2,3,4 and 5 series models along with the X3 and X5 suv models. BMW dealers are awash in cars that need repairs but have to sit because those parts come from Germany.
my youngest daughter is having the same problem with KIA. Took her Optima in for warranty work in May and still doesn't have it back. Took all summer to get the wiring harness parts she needed and still waiting on a backordered engine.
 

AlfaMan

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my youngest daughter is having the same problem with KIA. Took her Optima in for warranty work in May and still doesn't have it back. Took all summer to get the wiring harness parts she needed and still waiting on a backordered engine.
The engine situation is pretty bad with both Hyundai and Kia right now. They had a recall on 10 years worth of engines, pretty much. But supplies are hitting the stores and the dealers are making good on their promise to replace them as needed.

Some local dealers are buying up as many of the recalled engine Kias and Hyundais as they can. Then they take them to the dealer who replaces the engines under recall for free. The dealers get the cars back and then charge more for them, because they have new engines. Both Kia and Hyundai are replacing the used motors for brand new ones; no rebuilt ones at all, all of them are new. It's cost Hyundai 2 billion dollars so for on the engine recall; it's expected to cost 2-3 billion dollars more once all the affected vehicles are reworked.

That may sound like a lot of money; but VW group lost (wrote off) over 16 billion dollars for their polluting diesel TDI cars.
 

AlfaMan

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Alfaman- My wife wants a Kia Soul
What do you think?

Hey there,
Just saw this. Kia Soul is a good little car. Very reliable, 100k warranty; if they're used with over 100k look up under the oil cap. I've seen some engines with high mileages with sludge in them. Not many but i have seen that.

They're a solid vehicle with good features and plenty of room. A friend of ours has one and loves it. it's been trouble free for her. A good little turn the key and go type vehicle. very solid.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
KIA Soul is a GREAT little truck. We are on our second one now. NO issues for the first one though the miles were WAY low.
We'll see about this one.

We do crafty shows and artsy shows and our WHOLE 10X20 (don't tell the organizers) space is moved in the Soul. Tables, artifacts, display setups and all.
 

utsteve

Member
Thanks AlfaMan and Night Driver for your input. She has rented several over the years and said they haul like a truck.
Probably looking at a new one if we can find what she wants.
 

Chicken Mama

Veteran Member
Loving my 2018 Camry. Bought it in '19 and have only put 21k miles on it. Absolutely no issues.
 

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AlfaMan

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Thanks AlfaMan and Night Driver for your input. She has rented several over the years and said they haul like a truck.
Probably looking at a new one if we can find what she wants.

Another nice thing is the fit and finish of the vehicle. Never miked a Kia Soul paint job that was off spec-they're 2.5 mils all the way around, 3 mils on the roof and hood. Interior is also very nicely done. No issues there.
And your'e right-they haul like a truck. You can stuff a lot of stuff in one of those vehicles. Lay the back seats down and it's cavernous.
 

AlfaMan

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Loving my 2018 Camry. Bought it in '19 and have only put 21k miles on it. Absolutely no issues.

And I can imagine the Toyota dealer you bought it from calls you once a week asking if you want to sell it. They're popular vehicles with good quality and excellent resale value.

And it's funny. All the carmakers are swapping over to all SUV offerings in their product lines. Yet sedans like the Camry, Accord, Corolla and Malibu still sell like hotcakes; new and used ones.
I think manufacturers are making a mistake going to all suv offerings. Sometimes people just want a car, not a gas guzzling taller than the trees Suv.
 

ChicagoMan74

ULTRA MAGA
Meh...

Bought a brand new Chevy Impala in early 2013 with 23 miles on it...now it has 155K.

Besides oil changes and 1 new set of tires...there was a wheel hub that went bad while still under warranty and a couple blend door actuators that I fixed myself in 2020. With the overdrive gear it has I get 30's mpg on the highway...in a full size car. I'm not going to complain.
 
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