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TxGal

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How's everyone's weather/garden work going? I've been working our raised beds and have just begun planting, and now our long range forecast has rain starting Friday for 8 days....good grief, cloudy and rainy for over a week. Mud season.

Oppenheimer Ranch Project has two new podcasts out (not sure about the first one, title sounds different than the description):

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David DuByne on Crop Losses and The Nature Of Reality - Be Prepared not Scared it's Coming Soon..

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Cruise ship struck by coronavirus docks at California port https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/0
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5 congressmen -- including Trump's future chief of staff and lawmaker who shook President's hand -- to self-quarantine after CPAC https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/politi...
Italy’s massive coronavirus quarantine provokes panic and prison riots; stocks slide https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/09/italy...
COVID-19 Info Live https://covid19info.live/
24hr Sotck Market After Hours FOREX https://money.cnn.com/data/afterhours/
Italy Under Quarantine ORP Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLRWH...
Italy under virus quarantine, WHO warns on pandemic: Live updates https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/0...
All of Italy is now on lockdown due to coronavirus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm7Xi...
and more

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The Unofficial End To Winter, But Snow Is Still In The Forecast - Volcanic Lightning - Polar Vortex

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The unofficial-official end to winter, but snow is in the forecast http://bit.ly/39BluvI
Cancel Everything http://bit.ly/2Q3W0Q6
Drama-free weather this week; shovelable snow next week? http://bit.ly/2Q0agJq
SNOWFALL ANALYSIS https://www.weather.gov/crh/snowfall
GFS Model http://bit.ly/2TQ8Oui CMC Model http://bit.ly/2vaHdvv
Thunderstorms and Heavy Rain in the Desert Southwest; Heavy Rain Spreads into Mid-South Midweek https://www.weather.gov/
THE SCOTTISH SKI RESORT EXPERIENCING ITS BEST SEASON IN SIX YEARS: 13+ FEET OF SNOW IN 3 WEEKS BURIES SKI LIFTS AND EQUIPMENT HUTS http://bit.ly/39FZWht
AVALANCHES KILL AT LEAST SIX IN THE AUSTRIAN ALPS http://bit.ly/2ICqSmw
Worldwide Volcano News https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/volc...
Unbelievable pic of lightning merging with erupting volcano http://bit.ly/2vaRN5P
Extreme Weather Events Expose Vulnerability of Crops Globally https://bloom.bg/2xkkBcC
Surprise! Earth and the moon aren't made of exactly the same stuff http://bit.ly/3aKztQ5
We May Have Finally Found a Chunk of Theia Buried Deep Inside The Moon http://bit.ly/2wGBi1H
Research on soldier ants reveals that evolution can go in reverse http://bit.ly/2TEAcN3
Solved: The mystery of the expansion of the universe http://bit.ly/335q9Ua
Spaceship could surf supernovas across universe at nearly LIGHT-SPEED, Harvard study proposes http://bit.ly/2TTTWej
Polar Vortex on Nullschool http://bit.ly/2IxACOZ
 
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TxGal

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29 Bullet Points PROVING the Sun causes Global Warming, not CO2: by a GEOLOGIST, for a change (Dr Roger Higgs)

March 11, 2020 Cap Allon

Dr Roger Higgs, Geoclastica Ltd, Technical Note 2019-11, 6th April 2019, amended 7th March 2020 on ResearchGate (LINK HERE).

We urgently need to expose the ‘CO2 = pollutant’ fallacy being forced upon your children, grandchildren, nephews and nieces by schools, universities, governments and mainstream media worldwide, and to denounce it in scrupulously truthful terms easily understood by the public, including those youngsters themselves.

Here are the 29 bullet points proving CO2’s innocence:

1)
The IPCC (United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) has no geologists among the hundreds of authors of its last major report (2013-14) and at most 1 geologist in the next report (due 2022; see my Technical Note 2019-10). Thus IPCC focuses on only the last 150 years (since thermometer records began, ~1850), yet Earth is 30 million (sic) times older, 4.5 billion years! Geologists know that Earth has warmed and cooled throughout this time. Climate change is perfectly normal.

2) The IPCC’s very existence relies on public belief in man-made- or ‘anthropogenic’ global warming (AGW) by carbon dioxide (CO2) emission. IPCC authors, mostly government and university researchers, are biased by strong vested interests in AGW (publications; continuance of salaries; research grants). Similarly, universities have sacrificed their impartiality by hosting institutes mandated to confirm and act on AGW, e.g. Grantham Institute (Imperial College), Tyndall Centre.

3) The claimed ‘97% consensus among scientists’ that AGW exists is a deception. It refers in fact to polls of recent publications by ‘climate scientists’, i.e. atmospheric scientists, lacking deep-time perspective (Bullet 1), whose numbers opportunistically exploded in the post-1990 AGW boom, creating a strong incentive for bias (Bullet 2).

4) No educated person ‘denies’ global warming: it has been measured (Bullet 11). ‘Global-warming denier’ and ‘Climate-change skeptic’ are deceitful terms for man-made-global-warming doubters and deniers (most of the world’s scientists?).

5) CO2 is a ‘greenhouse gas’. But, as CO2 rises, its theoretical heat-trapping ability sharply declines, already 67% ‘used up’ at 100 parts per million (ppm) CO2, 84% at 300 ppm (NB 275 ppm when industrial CO2 output began; Bullet 8), 87% at 400 ppm (today 415 ppm) and >99% at 1000 ppm. Moreover, Climate Sensitivity (CS), the warming due to doubling CO2, is guesswork. IPCC ‘estimates’ CS from climate models (circular reasoning) as probably between 1.5 and 4.5 (300% contrast!), but models are defective (Bullet 6). In reality CS might be very near zero, perhaps explaining why up to 7,000 ppm in Phanerozoic time (Bullet 7) did not cause ‘runaway’ warming.

6) Climate models (by climate scientists; Bullet 3) are so full of assumptions as to be useless or highly misleading, e.g. forecast 1995-2015 warming turned out to be 2 to 3 times too high. Bullet 19 gives another drastic failure. Even Wiki (2019) admits: “Each model simulation has a different guess at processes that scientist don’t understand sufficiently well”. Models dismiss the sun’s fluctuations and omit the multi-decade delay between these and resulting warming or cooling. This time-lag, due to ocean thermal inertia (mixing-time), is grossly underestimated by IPCC (Bullets 21, 22).

7) For ~75% of the last 550 million years, CO2 was 2 to 15 times higher than now. Evolution flourished, with CO2 enabling plant photosynthesis, the basis of all life. Extinction events due to overheating by CO2 are unknown.

8) Through the last 12,000 years, our current ‘Holocene’ interglacial epoch, CO2 was a mere 250-290 ppm (compare plant-starvation level ~150 ppm). Ice cores show that the last five interglacials (including the Holocene) all reached a similar 250-300 ppm, i.e. a sort of ‘equilibrium’ value. Since ~1850 when industrial CO2 emissions began, atmospheric CO2 has climbed steeply. CO2 today is 415 ppm, just 0.04% of our atmosphere (i.e. less than half of one-tenth of 1%), far less than in the past (Bullet 7).

9) Until man began adding industrial CO2 about 1850, warming (determined from ‘proxies’ like tree rings) since the 1700AD Little Ice Age nadir was accompanied by slowly rising CO2 (measured in ice cores). A simple explanation is the well-known release of CO2 by warming ocean water (decreasing its CO2-holding capacity).

10) Other evidence, besides Bullets 9, that rising CO2 is a consequence, not cause, of global warming is the demonstration by Humlum et al. (2013) that changes in CO2 growth-rate lag behind changes in warming-rate, by ~1 year (see also Bullet 28).

11) Also, since the start of industrial CO2 additions ~1850 (Bullet 8), thermometer-measured global warming (1.3 centigrade [C] degrees) was interrupted by frequent minor coolings of 1 to 3 years (some attributable to mega-volcano ‘winters’) and two 30-year (1878-1910, 1944-1976) coolings (0.2 C degrees each), plus the 1998-2013 ‘warming pause’ (Wiki). In contrast, CO2’s rise has accelerated, with only a brief pause (1887-97) and a mini-reversal (1940-45), both during the 30-year coolings.

12) This unsteady ‘sawtooth’-style of Modern Warming resembles the sawtooth rise of the sun’s magnetic output from 1901 toward a rare solar ‘Grand Maximum’ (peak 1991), unmatched since 300AD ! See Bullet 21.

13) Warming reached a peak in February 2016. Since then, Earth has cooled for more than 3 years (NB no volcanic mega-eruption since 1991).

14) The ‘Svensmark Theory’ says rising solar-magnetic output, by deflecting more cosmic rays, reduces cloudiness. This allows more of the sun’s warmth to heat the ocean and atmosphere (Bullet 28) instead of being reflected by clouds. In support, a NASA study of satellite data spanning 1979-2011 (during the ‘Modern Warming’; Bullet 12) showed decreasing cloud cover.

15) Vocal climate scientist Stefan Rahmstorf (Wiki) of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research wrongly said in 2008: “there is no viable alternative … [to CO2 as driver of 1940-2005 warming, as] … different authors agree that solar activity did not significantly increase”. Yet in 1999, physicist Dr Michael Lockwood FRS (Wiki) wrote in prestigious Nature journal: “the total magnetic flux leaving the Sun has risen by a factor of 1.4 since 1964” and 2.3 since 1901 !

16) Lockwood showed that averaged solar magnetic flux increased 230% from 1901 to 1995, i.e. more than doubled ! The final peak value was 5 times the starting minimum value ! Bullets 17 and 18 likewise support Svensmark’s theory.

17) After the ~300AD solar Grand Maximum (Bullet 12), within 100 years Earth warmed to near or above today’s temperature. Then ‘sawtooth’ cooling mimicked the sun’s 1,000-year sawtooth decline into the Little Ice Age.

18) From 8000 to 2000BC, Earth was sometimes warmer than now for centuries. Then unsteady cooling from 3000BC to the Little Ice Age paralleled unsteady solar decline after the ‘Super-Grand Maximum’ of ~3000BC.

19) This 4,500-year-long cooling mocks IPCC computer models that instead predict warming by the simultaneous (slow) rise in CO2. This is the ‘The Holocene Temperature Conundrum’ of Liu et al. (2014). See also Bullet 6.

20) Embarrassingly for IPCC, the 8000-2000BC warm interval (Bullet 18) was already called the ‘Holocene Climatic Optimum’ (Wiki) before IPCC’s ‘CO2 = pollutant’ fallacy induced today’s AGW hysteria and pointless multi-trillion-dollar climate-change industry. The warmth may have benefited human social development.

21) Since thermometer records began (~1850; Bullet 1), sawtooth global warming (Bullets 11, 12) correlates well with solar-magnetic flux by applying an 85-year lag, attributable to oceanic thermal inertia (vast volume, high heat capacity and slow mixing cause slow response to changes in solar-magnetic flux, hence cloudiness), grossly underestimated by IPCC (Bullet 22). Thus Modern Warming is driven ~100% sun, dwarfing any CO2 effect (Bullets 5, 6).

22) The IPCC assumes this time-lag (Bullet 21) is much shorter (< 1 year) and therefore it claims that ongoing global warming despite solar weakening (since 1991; Bullet 12) must mean that the warming is driven by CO2 !

23) The last interglacial period, ~120,000 years ago, was warmer than our Holocene interglacial. Humans and polar bears survived ! CO2 was then about 275 ppm, i.e. lower than now (Bullet 8), at a time of greater warmth !

24) The joint rise of temperature and CO2 is a ‘spurious correlation’, a fluke. So IPCC demonising CO2 as a ‘pollutant’ is a colossal blunder, costing trillions of dollars in needless and ineffectual efforts to reduce it. Instead, governments need to focus urgently on the imminent metre-scale sun-driven sea level rise.

25) Although the sun is now declining since its 1991 magnetic peak, sawtooth warming will continue until ~2075 due to the 85-year lag (Bullet 21). Rising CO2 will continue to raise global food production. Cooling will begin ~2075 and last at least 28 years (i.e. post-1991 solar decline to date). Our benign Holocene ‘interglacial’ period will eventually end, unfortunately.

26) IPCC says sea level (SL) from 0 to 1800AD varied < 25 centimetres (and <1 metre since 4000BC) and never exceeded today’s SL, therefore the 30-centimetre SL rise since 1800 (average 1.5 millimetres/year) is abnormal (they say), blaming industrial CO2. But this claim ignores dozens of studies of geological and archaeological 3000BC-1000AD SL benchmarks globally, which reveal 3 or 4 rises (and falls) of 1-3 metres in < 200 years each (i.e. > 5 millimetres/year), all reaching higher than today, long before industrial CO2.

27) If humans were to halt the growth in their fossil-fuel use, CO2 would soon stabilise at a new equilibrium value (nearer the optimum for plants).

28) By blaming global warming on atmospheric CO2, the IPCC implies that ongoing warming of the ocean (e.g. Cheng et al. 2020) occurs via the atmosphere. But this is backwards. In reality the sun warms the ocean, which in turn warms the air. Humlum et el. (2013) showed that small changes in sea-surface temperature precede corresponding changes in air temperature by 2 months, and precede changes in CO2’s growth rate by 12 months (because warming ocean releases CO2; Bullet 9). Thus Bullet 28 alone destroys IPCC’s argument that global warming is by CO2.

29) In November 2019, Wikipedia deleted its ‘List of scientists who disagree with the scientific consensus on global warming‘, which named dozens of renowned PhD scientists (with their own Wikipedia entries), from diverse sciences, brave enough to publicly challenge the global CO2 madness. (Tens of thousands of other ‘skeptical’ scientists are too timid to join in.) Thus, your children may never know that many prominent, impartial scientists disagree with the claim by the under-qualified (Bullet 1) IPCC that global warming is due to man-made CO2. This is censorship. Fortunately the list survives, both online (for now) and hard-copy (see my ‘Sources’ pdf in ‘Linked data’ — or click HERE).


Inescapable conclusion: the IPCC is wrong − the sun, not CO2, drove modern global warming.

By DR ROGER HIGGS (http://www.geoclastica.com + https://www.researchgate.net)
 

TxGal

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Adapt 2030 has two new podcasts out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwBeBFNK-VA


Retrain the Public to Eat Old Food in Solar Cycle 25 (946)

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We have been taught for decades about "Good by Dates" etc.... to throw away the food if its even one day past the "Best By" date, now the full 180 of wilted veggies are ok and eat leftovers even if old. I wounder if its anything to do with the intensifying Grand Solar Minimum and this years crops not being planted in Asia and wet again in the USA. Third year of above average snow fall across the N. Hemisphere and more visible atmospheric changes.

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The Last Year of Stable Food Supply We Have On This Planet (PT1/3)

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Rex Bear from the Leak Project YT channel and David DuByne from the ADAPT 2030 YT channel discuss increasing space radiation from the Grand Solar Minimum affecting global food production across the continents and how this will affect the economy, supply chains and ultimately our civilization.

•U.N and DARPA want to sell food by the calorie
•Compartmentalize the masses
•Switch to cryptocurrency for our global economy
•Civilization rising and falling in cycles
•United Nations Sustainable Development Goals
•Zero emissions targets 2030
•5G wireless technology
•Global liquefaction event
 

nomifyle

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I'm going to put this here because I think its related to the GSM. What is being covered up by all this wuhan flu bruhaha. Personally, I think its to change the subject away from the downside to GSM.

And how is Martinhouse?

Judy
 

Martinhouse

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Martinhouse is fine. Not posting much lately as I'm in another of my periodic Lyme flare-ups.

Hopefully did my last shopping errands this morning and can just stay in from now on, and work on gardening when I feel up to it and no longer worry about what time I go to sleep at night or wake in the morning.

Still wish I could find some rabbits, but it looks like no one raises them in this area any more.
 

TxGal

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From the Coronavirus thread on the main - and plan your garden accordingly :

desert_fox Post # 30776 -

I work in Agriculture and farmers are starting to get their fields ready for planting. If we get quarantined there will be a lot of crops that wont be able to be planted on time, it at all. You have a certain window in order to get the yields/heat units needed to produce crops.

After the Kung Flu cycles through you have to add that to last year's problem with the flooding in the midwest and food pricing might shoot up quite a bit.
 

alpha

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Ice Age Farmer

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With US quarantines imminent, producers are already warning that labor shortages will cause "serious market disruptions with catastrophic implications." If you eat food, you need to watch this video. Corporate bank runs happening NOW -- get your $ out of the bank. A lot to deal with -- remember to stay HUMAN, not descend into fear.
 

PJM

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I have started my onions and peppers in the front window. They are doing great, will start tomatoes next week. Being close to Northern Idaho, our spring is still a good month or more away.

We have been experiencing tremendous winds in our valley since November. We are getting another blast right now. There has been lots of roof and tree damage around. Hopefully, they will die down once spring arrives.
 

TxGal

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And, thank you to everyone on this thread for keeping up with so much information, especially Martinhouse and TexasGal. I really appreciate it.
You're welcome, and it's so good to see you here!

We get the winds here, also...it's really difficult to do much with those high winds. Not counting nearby tornadoes, our highest so far has been 70mph straight line winds that lifted part of our standing seam metal roof. Honestly, I haven't been the same since. We used to have an old black lab that would always know when the big storms were coming in, and he'd go lay down in a hallway. I totally get that now! I really miss basements during those winds.
 

TxGal

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Martinhouse is fine. Not posting much lately as I'm in another of my periodic Lyme flare-ups.

Hopefully did my last shopping errands this morning and can just stay in from now on, and work on gardening when I feel up to it and no longer worry about what time I go to sleep at night or wake in the morning.

Still wish I could find some rabbits, but it looks like no one raises them in this area any more.
Hope you're doing better! I'm pretty much done with shopping errands, just another feed store run for corn chops and scratch, just because I have room for it.

I'm starting to see Easter bunny sale ads on Craigslist here, you might leave a note at your feed store or call them and let them know you're looking for rabbits. Seems to be the season :-)

I'm still thinking of adding a few barred rock chicks, DH is not yet on board with getting a roo....I figure likely later if he changes his mind we'll be able to trade something for a roo.

Finally got all the seed potatoes in and fenced (I hope) against night time critters. Some carrots and green beans planted, still have more raised beds to plant, but I'm getting there. Next week looks rainy...every day. Dare I say here we go again?
 

PJM

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This is our hayshed roof after one of those straight line winds in November. I know just what you mean! Life on the farm hasn’t been the same since, but fortunately none of the animals were hurt. We had two cows and a day old calf under there. Not a scratch.EA3C9301-B3F5-4BD1-93C6-D9CECE2BD300.jpeg
 

Martinhouse

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Still feeling like cow chips but at least it gives me an excuse to sit around and stay caught up on the CV threads.

Mostly I'm just gathering the eggs every day nd keeping the cat and chickens fed. Everything else just has to wait, I would like to make one last feed run, but the stuff I just bought has to stay in my truck until I'm able to prepare the place I can safely store it and that will have to wait until the predicted LONG spell of rain is past and I am hopefully feeling better as well.

I'll have to do it all myself because I can't trust anyone else to not be exposed to CV or flu, and doing it myself goes very slowly.

Finally caught up listening to the various podcasts. I notice that every time I listen to one from Ice Age Farmer, I feel a great need to go plant something!
 

Martinhouse

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Just went out to gather the eggs. One of the hens was still sitting in the nest corner and was all puffed out and gave me the grumble/chatter warning when I touched her.

Now I have decision to make. Should I let her set, maybe even put some of the eggs like from the last couple of days ago back under her? Or do I need to be keeping as many eggs as I can to scramble and put in the freezer for when the laying stops in the fall? I have no place to separate the hen and her nest from the other birds, which isn't necessary but is generally better to do.

Should I think how having more hens would mean more eggs, possibly even for eventual barter? Or do I think about how a batch of chicks would itself make a great barter item? Will taking the eggs away now ruin the hen's instinct to set?

I wasn't expecting this and even if I had been, it wouldn't have been for this early in the year.

I'm inclined to just let nature take its course, but when the other hens decide to lay, they may choose a corner that's not as easy for me to get to.

AAGGH!
 

TxGal

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Adapt 2030 has a new podcast out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvKY38DBoYY


Earth's Magnetic Field and Arctic Sea Ice Anomalies (947)

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With our Sun at incredibly quiet silence Earth's magnetosphere reverberated at seven minute intervals, like you blowing on a piece of paper disturbing it with your breathe but on a galactic scale. Sun Halos in Bosnia and another "climate change" expedition needs rescue as a third icebreaker is dispatched to free the first ice breaker sent to free the Mosaic mission vessel.
 

TxGal

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Oppenheimer Ranch Project has a new podcast out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDAmZ5VP6LQ


Miracle March? Feet of Sierra Snow This Weekend Is Just What California Needs -Yellowstone Explained

Run time is 10:07

Up to 14 inches of snow hitting parts of Colorado http://bit.ly/3aNvJx8
Strong weekend storm in Northern California to bring rain, drop feet of mountain snow http://bit.ly/39TCNZ6
'Miracle March'? Feet of Sierra Snow Beginning This Weekend Is Just What California Needs http://bit.ly/2WbSFSA
Winter makes strong return this weekend to Lake Tahoe, 2 to 3 feet of snow expected http://bit.ly/2U4WIgX
March winds to roar across parts of Midwest, Northeast http://bit.ly/2IHqymz
“Safety concerns” keep ski resort closed in Colorado http://bit.ly/2INd7Sa
Heavy Snow and Flash Flood Threats Continue Out West https://www.weather.gov/
Snowfall Analysis https://www.weather.gov/crh/snowfall
GFS Model Total Snow http://bit.ly/2IMU6PH
Snow cyclone stuck over Sakhalin region in Russia http://bit.ly/2wYkHGA
Storms bring widespread floods to Egypt, killing 5 http://bit.ly/2wW9p5I
Six quakes rattle Northeast in six days. Scientists don’t know what’s causing them https://hrld.us/2QfRj5D
UNUSUAL UPLIFT AT YELLOWSTONE VOLCANO WAS CAUSED BY MAGMA RISING http://bit.ly/2IH1NXw
Worldwide Volcano News http://bit.ly/2v9JJhO
Earthquake with magnitude Mw5,2 in Þorbjörn mountain (Fagradalsfjall mountain) https://www.jonfr.com/volcano/?p=8310
Revealed: Monsanto’s secret funding for weedkiller studies http://bit.ly/2QduX4K
Long-term analysis shows GM cotton no match for insects in India http://bit.ly/3cXcTWf
 

TxGal

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Just went out to gather the eggs. One of the hens was still sitting in the nest corner and was all puffed out and gave me the grumble/chatter warning when I touched her.

Now I have decision to make. Should I let her set, maybe even put some of the eggs like from the last couple of days ago back under her? Or do I need to be keeping as many eggs as I can to scramble and put in the freezer for when the laying stops in the fall? I have no place to separate the hen and her nest from the other birds, which isn't necessary but is generally better to do.

Should I think how having more hens would mean more eggs, possibly even for eventual barter? Or do I think about how a batch of chicks would itself make a great barter item? Will taking the eggs away now ruin the hen's instinct to set?

I wasn't expecting this and even if I had been, it wouldn't have been for this early in the year.

I'm inclined to just let nature take its course, but when the other hens decide to lay, they may choose a corner that's not as easy for me to get to.

AAGGH!
Gosh, I don't know what I'd do in your position, either!!

I can't remember - did you get a barred rock rooster when you got your hens?

Lucky you are :-)
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
TxGal, yes, I got a rooster and ten hens. They are all Barred Rocks as she didn't have any Buffs.

I lost one hen right away and another a while later, but the remaining eight seem entirely healthy. I've gotten six eggs in one day more than once, so I'm inclined to think they are all laying now. Finally.

If this hen hatches a brood, I do know how to transfer them to a pet carrier and get her to accept it. I'm even thinking I might try to transfer her to a pet carrier while she's still setting. I've done this before and it's not true that a hen won't go back to a nest if you touch their eggs. I've always tried to get the setting hens or the new mama and her hatchlings into a carrier asap so I can close it at night in case some varmint tries to get to them when she won't leave the nest.

Instead of being disappointed at this new development, I need to look at it as a surprise event that could get me some free chickens for just a little extra effort.

The new chicks will have to develop some real muscular legs once they can hop over the retaining wall into the part of the pen that's filled with a deep layer of leaves! They'll grow some BIG drumsticks!!!!! And Thunder Thighs!!!!!
 

summerthyme

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Just went out to gather the eggs. One of the hens was still sitting in the nest corner and was all puffed out and gave me the grumble/chatter warning when I touched her.

Now I have decision to make. Should I let her set, maybe even put some of the eggs like from the last couple of days ago back under her? Or do I need to be keeping as many eggs as I can to scramble and put in the freezer for when the laying stops in the fall? I have no place to separate the hen and her nest from the other birds, which isn't necessary but is generally better to do.

Should I think how having more hens would mean more eggs, possibly even for eventual barter? Or do I think about how a batch of chicks would itself make a great barter item? Will taking the eggs away now ruin the hen's instinct to set?

I wasn't expecting this and even if I had been, it wouldn't have been for this early in the year.

I'm inclined to just let nature take its course, but when the other hens decide to lay, they may choose a corner that's not as easy for me to get to.

AAGGH!
First, breaking her up (what they call getting them to stop being broody) won't change her instinct to do it again later. However, it seems most if my non-bantam hens who go broody don't persist the full 3 weeks, or have other issues... although the biggest problem is not moving them to a separate area; the other hens crowd into the nestbox to lay, mixing up fresh and half-brooded eggs, and breaking eggs and then contaminating the rest.

I've found a dog crate/kennel works very well as a broody spot. If it's an open wire crate, drape black plastic or a dark blanket over it to make it seem more secure for her.

As far as your other questions... Will you really miss the maybe 4 dozen eggs letting her hatch *and raise* a brood? That's assuming she actually hatches any... if you don't see any live chicks By day 21, you'll pull out the bad eggs, kick her off the nest, and discourage any future broody behavior unless you want to let her try again in a few months.

If you were able to let her free range and raise her family (we've done it for several years... mortality is remarkably low, and mostly comes from chicks being really dumb... drowning in the horse's water bucket, wandering away from the mother and then crawling through the wire into the laying pen) it could provide you with "almost free" chicken, either for you or to supplement your cats food.

Only other question (please don't be insulted... it's just I don't remember you saying)... you DO have a rooster, right? ;-)

Summerthyme
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
Summerthyme, I've had pretty good luck with the Barred Rocks staying on their nests. Not 100% but decent. It's the Buff Orpingtons (sp?)which seem to need to play Musical Nest Box and give me weeks worth of wasted eggs if I'm not vigilant.

Perhaps I'll see if I can transfer this hen into a pet carrier tomorrow, if she still seems to be setting.

My Barred Rocks seem to need to set nests so badly that they take over and "share" nests. And the Buffs are placid enough to accept this so I've gotten batches of chicks that have two mommies raising and protecting them. That's really nice when they've somehow managed to accumulated a couple dozen eggs before they trigger the eggs. (I also cram other eggs under them when they do this, for a little more genetic diversity.

When I put this hen into a carrier, I will probably keep the door closed on her for a day or so (with food and water!) and put some eggs in the existing nest so that the other hens will keep using it and hopefully not get used to crowding Ms. Broody. If more hens decide to do this, well.....I do have a LOT of pet carriers!!!!! (: (And a 50# sack of chick starter, too!

Oh, and I certainly DO have a nice, handsome Barred Rock rooster,and he's a good one,....hops out of my way and never challenges me. His name is Hogan because the guy who was mowing for me thought the repaired pen looked like a prison camp.
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
Well, my hen is still on the nest and being quite protective of it. Only six eggs under her, so I'm warming up six more that I gathered a couple days ago, and I will add them to her nest when they are warm enough.

Ice Age Farmer has two new podcasts out that everyone needs to listen to.
 

TxGal

Day by day
Thanks, Martinhouse! Here are the two Ice Age Farmer podcasts Martinhouse mentioned:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZe4Tzjw_FA


Farm Markets Closed in Virus Craze: No Clean Food! Farmers in Tears

Run time is 5:07

Farmers Markets are being shuttered under the guise of COVIDー19, cutting off consumers from local, clean, nutritive foodーwhen they most need it for their health!ーand producers from their marketーwhen they most need the income! We CANNOT rely on BigAg/box stores to feed us -- it is up to YOU to form alliances NOW! What ideas do you have to bridge the gap and reconnect these markets? Prepare for the food shortages ahead flowing from supply chain disruptions.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghy-940Hw4w


NO BREAD, NO CIRCUS: Spread Word NOW of Food Shortages Ahead

Run time is 20:09

Empty shelves, cancelled events, people freaking out -- NOW is the time to warn that FOOD SHORTAGES are coming next and to form FOOD ALLIANCES with those nearby. Christian breaks down the agenda afoot and recalls what happened the last time "billionaire philanthropists" got involved because "governments" didn't have the ability to save the day. Food shortages are ahead -- prepare now.
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
Just listened to a new Adapt 2030 podcast. It was good enough, as far as information goes, but he has lately developed a very sarcastic tone which has gotten markedly worse recently.

Maybe it's just me, but it's becoming very unpleasant to listen to.
 

Faroe

Veteran Member
Just listened to a new Adapt 2030 podcast. It was good enough, as far as information goes, but he has lately developed a very sarcastic tone which has gotten markedly worse recently.

Maybe it's just me, but it's becoming very unpleasant to listen to.
Too many ads, and a staccato presentation that just bugs me. I can't listen to Christian either (although he seems like a nicer guy) - neither one delivers the material in a manner that flows. Everything is Stop/Start.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
Hope you're doing better! I'm pretty much done with shopping errands, just another feed store run for corn chops and scratch, just because I have room for it.

I'm starting to see Easter bunny sale ads on Craigslist here, you might leave a note at your feed store or call them and let them know you're looking for rabbits. Seems to be the season :-)

I'm still thinking of adding a few barred rock chicks, DH is not yet on board with getting a roo....I figure likely later if he changes his mind we'll be able to trade something for a roo.

Finally got all the seed potatoes in and fenced (I hope) against night time critters. Some carrots and green beans planted, still have more raised beds to plant, but I'm getting there. Next week looks rainy...every day. Dare I say here we go again?
Wait a while, people will be giving roos away as they discover them amongst all the growing chicks. I think I have 1 among my 2 weeks old batch. Also rabbits will be coming in batches soon, u prolly have to pay something, but you get a male & a female, instant little rabbits. Think I just talked myself into a few rabbits!
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
Walrus Whisperer, I called around a few days ago and the only place in my larger town that is selling rabbits this Easter Season is Atwood's and they only have a type called Lionhead, or somethng like that. I need New Zealands or at least Satins or Californias. Plus they are only selling small cages. I would need the 30" x30" cages that Tractor Supply carries.

And at this stage of things, I really can't be driving all over the place tracking down people I don't know. Last time I got rabbits I was referred to the people by Tractor Supply, but the place, farther than I'd wanted to drive, was run by a very old man who couldn't possibly still be alive so I imagine that his whole yucky ol' rabbit operation has been gone for a long time by now.

I really do want rabbits as they would be the best source of cat and dog food "on the hoof" so to speak, but as it is, I won't be getting a dog, and maybe my cat will just have to learn to eat beans and rice and grasshoppers.
 

Martinhouse

Veteran Member
Two more Ice Age Farmer podcasts today. Everyone needs to listen to these just as much or more and they needed to listen to the other two I posted about on Saturday and which TxGal put here properly with the links.

These podcasts support all the little bits of information we've been getting on two or three of the threads in the Bomb Shelter for the last couple of days.
 

TxGal

Day by day
Thanks, Martinhouse! Sorry, crazy busy here the last few days.

Here are the two Ice Age Farmer podcasts as Martinhouse said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juDtIoz_V4I


Amazon to FAIL, Meat to SKYROCKET - Wholesale Replacement of Agriculture

Run time is 19:59

Is Amazon a Super Spreader? Will it halt US deliveries? --the pain must be maximized to justify totalitarian agenda. Meat prices will SKYROCKET as farmers/ranchers warn the impact of quarantine-induced labor shortages will be catastrophic. Start growing your own food, raising your own animals now.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cZc_iP34m4


ALERT: Feds Take Control of Food/Trucking as Grocers UNABLE to Get Food

Run time is 13:02

As small grocery store owners are reporting they are unable to source food deliveries, governments are preparing to take control over food delivery trucks and large grocery stores and institute rationing and price controls. The demise of our food supply chain is occurring now, and it is happening FAST. SPREAD THE WORD. PREPARE.
 

Seeker22

Veteran Member
I have read multiple accounts and now experienced firsthand, people from out of town driving to a small town grocery and stripping it bare. There are no preventions in place for this. There need to be. Out of state plates are not a welcome sight, either. Those who prepped should be doubly thankful.
 

TxGal

Day by day
Ice Age Farmer has a new podcast out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9PalM8YIQ&feature=youtu.be


"We Have No Food for You" - Insiders on Food Supply Shortages

Run time is 16:20

Farmers and ranchers are in fear of labor shortages resulting from border closures and quarantines promised for next 18+ months. Without labor, "We do not have food to feed you." The DEMAND SHOCK from virus panic is MASKING a true SUPPLY SHORTAGE -- buyers and grocers indicate they are unable to purchase enough food to keep their shelves stocked. Start growing food and secure your protein now.
 

Seeker22

Veteran Member
Ice Age Farmer has a new podcast out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9PalM8YIQ&feature=youtu.be


"We Have No Food for You" - Insiders on Food Supply Shortages

Run time is 16:20

Farmers and ranchers are in fear of labor shortages resulting from border closures and quarantines promised for next 18+ months. Without labor, "We do not have food to feed you." The DEMAND SHOCK from virus panic is MASKING a true SUPPLY SHORTAGE -- buyers and grocers indicate they are unable to purchase enough food to keep their shelves stocked. Start growing food and secure your protein now.
PLAN-DEMIC? You betcha. The entire membership needs to see this one.

I am not saying that people are not dying, although I have seen no firsthand evidence. What I am saying is they have to cover up three things:

Economy is a dead man walking with over 200 trillion worth of injections not able to bring it back.
The GSM is upon us, under cover of Greta the great's climate scam.
The farm animals dying and crops not being planted or harvested in 2019 and 2020.

Solution to the farm worker crisis? Seems they could snatch up some of those prisoners and put them in the fields? Instant employees. Better than nothing and letting the people starve.

Lots to hide.
 

nomifyle

Veteran Member
Ice Age Farmer has a new podcast out:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-9PalM8YIQ&feature=youtu.be


"We Have No Food for You" - Insiders on Food Supply Shortages

Run time is 16:20

Farmers and ranchers are in fear of labor shortages resulting from border closures and quarantines promised for next 18+ months. Without labor, "We do not have food to feed you." The DEMAND SHOCK from virus panic is MASKING a true SUPPLY SHORTAGE -- buyers and grocers indicate they are unable to purchase enough food to keep their shelves stocked. Start growing food and secure your protein now.
Alaska prepper has a video out citing this video. People have their heads in the sand.

Judy
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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PLAN-DEMIC? You betcha. The entire membership needs to see this one.

I am not saying that people are not dying, although I have seen no firsthand evidence. What I am saying is they have to cover up three things:

Economy is a dead man walking with over 200 trillion worth of injections not able to bring it back.
The GSM is upon us, under cover of Greta the great's climate scam.
The farm animals dying and crops not being planted or harvested in 2019 and 2020.

Solution to the farm worker crisis? Seems they could snatch up some of those prisoners and put them in the fields? Instant employees. Better than nothing and letting the people starve.

Lots to hide.
As I've posted multiple times in the past, "better than nothing" employees on a farm... aren't! Believe me on that! We hired several high school kids over the years. They generally worked alongside us (hence, close supervision and constant instruction), and they WANTED the job.

It still cost us thousands of dollars, above and beyond their wages (not even mentioning all the mandated stuff). It was a wonder none of them were killed or seriously injured. However, we did have several valuable animals die (or be permanently crippled, requiring their being sold for beef) due to utterly moronic choices by lazy morons.

THE main reason we never expanded beyond what we knew we could handle with family labor was the utter predictability of huge losses from hired help. No matter how hard we tried to make things idiot proof, they keep making bigger idiots!

Even something simple like picking produce can be a disaster... they pick stuff that's too green, they miss perfectly ripe fruit, they slam or throw delicate fruit into baskets or lugs, and they damage the plants enough to reduce total yields by 50% or more.

It's nowhere near as simple as it sounds.

Summerthyme
 
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Seeker22

Veteran Member
As I've posted multiple times in the past, "better than nothing" employees on a farm... aren't! Believe me on that! We hired several high school kids over the years. They generally worked alongside us (hence, close supervision and constant instruction), and they WANTED the job.

It still cost us thousands of dollars, above and beyond their wages (not even mentioning all the mandated stuff). It was a wonder none of them were killed or seriously injured. However, we did have several valuable animals die (or be permanently crippled, requiring their being sold for beef) due to utterly moronic choices by lazy morons.

THE main reason we never expanded beyond what we knew we could handle with family labor was the utter predictability of huge losses from hired help. No matter how hard we tried to make things idiot proof, they keep making bigger idiots!

Even something simple like picking produce can be a disaster... they pick stuff that's too green, they miss perfectly ripe fruit, they slam or throw delicate fruit into baskets or lugs, and they damage the plants enough to reduce total yields by 50% or more.

It's nowhere near as simple as it sounds.

Summerthyme
This is going to sound harsh. The little bastages who don't do it right can go work for the prison farms. A big guard on a horse with a gun may change some minds as to how to treat animals and crops. When those crops and animals are valued as of more worth than the uppity workers who intentionally hurt what they touch, well...

I am speaking of a starvation/GSM scenario; not normal times. Simple: If you don't work (hard) you don't eat.

The ones who do it right get to eat and have some sort of roof over their head at farms and ranches. The over regulation of agriculture will slow or stop. I know none of this is simple, but facing a disaster will change a lot of things.
 

TxGal

Day by day
Adapt 2030 has several new podcasts out (sorry folks, been pretty busy here):


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7PZrD6sz_w


Why Aren’t Our Governments Informing Us About Imminent Crop Shortages? (PT1/2)

Run time is 29:34

Dennis Delaurier from the https://thegsmprepper.com and David DuByne from the ADAPT 2030 YT channel discuss increasing space radiation from the Grand Solar Minimum affecting global food production across the continents and how this has begun to affect the economy, supply chains and ultimately our civilization.

•Electromagnetic changes in our Sun
•Global awareness of the changes around us intensifying
•Perception of stability is worth more than the actual dollar value
•2022 the global food shortages begin
•Only 4% of money in the world is in physical form
•Walipini greenhouses
•Self sufficiency
•Earth cooling cycles
•Peter Ridd reef studies Australia Great Barrier Reef
•Government awareness of the Grand Solar Minimum
•Wholesalers aren’t replenishing they are getting rid of what they have

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR-uaqU5hnA

People Will Not Understand Why Food Is Suddenly Unavailable (PT2/2)

Run time is 36:22

Dennis Delaurier from the https://thegsmprepper.com and David DuByne from the ADAPT 2030 YT channel discuss increasing space radiation from the Grand Solar Minimum affecting global food production across the continents and how this has begun to affect the economy, supply chains and ultimately our civilization.

•North Africa grow zone emerges
•Record grain production N. Africa 2019
•Unaffordable food price rises start in Middle East spreading to Europe
•Wild foraging
•Growing local food for local consumption
•Following harvests by the season through different latitudes and regions
•Transition to rail from Air for transport in the 2020 great depression
•Rob Greenfield
•Grow Bags for greenhouses
•Microgreens
•Community gardens

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOOtz2QnlqY


Unusual Atmospheric Events Over Deserts and Seas (950)

Run time is 8:03

Changes happening in the atmosphere and becoming more visible planet wide over Morocco double tornadoes sighted in the desert. Double typhoons slamming Australia right where the new Chinese cattle ranches are setting up in N Queensland. More greening areas on the way. Nitrogen Oxide (NO2) levels decreasing in both Italy and China, deceasing factory and vehicle traffic. Carbon Black shortages as N. Italy shuts down. Rich locked down and cant get flights even in their private jets, no permissions given for landing.

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut-wCW8ZXOY


Fruit, Vegetable, Meat Vanishes Across the Globe (949)

Run time is 7:20

As the global finance and logistics declines so many containers were in route returning to China and few if any have left in the last two months that there is a container shortage across the planet. Refrigerated containers are scarce driving delivery costs to unseen heights for seafood and meats. Air cargo is reduced across the planet by 75% and 80% of all cargo is delivered by truck in the US. Farmers can grow the food, but there is a bottleneck in getting it delivered.
 
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