GOV/MIL Texas House committee OKs full marijuana legalization bill

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AUSTIN, Texas (AP) - A proposal seeking full legalization of marijuana on religious grounds has cleared an unlikely legislative hurdle.

Republican state Rep. David Simpson of Longview argues marijuana comes from God and therefore shouldn't be banned by government. The tea party stalwart has repeatedly championed what he calls the "Christian case" for legalization.

Simpson's bill languished for weeks before the House Criminal Jurisprudence Committee. Three committee Democrats and two Republicans surprisingly voted to support it Wednesday, though, and it passed 5-2.

That makes Simpson's bill eligible for consideration to reach the House floor before the legislative session ends June 1, although that's still highly unlikely.

State law currently makes no exceptions even for medical marijuana, making outright legalization unthinkable.

Still, advocates hailed the committee vote as "unprecedented progress" for Texas marijuana rights.

http://www.fox4news.com/story/29003756/texas-house-committee-oks-full-marijuana-legalization-bill
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

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Richard said:
Why are they so concerned about legalising another narcotic drug we have enough at the moment.
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Most of which are under the control of Big Pharma or are outright illegal.

Still, I don't believe I've ever heard anyone go after the "Christian case" for weed.
 
Be Well

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Lettuce hasn't been bred to make people super doped out and divorced from reality and often times hallucinating for hours...
 
Txkstew

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Richard said:
Why are they so concerned about legalising another narcotic drug we have enough at the moment.
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For one thing, Marijuana is not classified as a "Narcotic". It's actually classified as a "Psychedelic", but I'm not even so sure about that label. I've never hallucinated on it. It's more of a "thinking" trip. You ponder a lot of deep subjects when sitting alone and burning a good one. An hour and a half later, you are back to your normal self. It doesn't "Intoxicate" as such. That's why one can smoke one of the strongest available, and drive a car just fine. The "New, stronger strains", don't cause you to get any higher than the older, good Mexican weed. Once you get saturated with THC, you can't get any higher, and it wears off in the same hour and a half.
 
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Txkstew said:
For one thing, Marijuana is not classified as a "Narcotic". It's actually classified as a "Psychedelic", but I'm not even so sure about that label. I've never hallucinated on it. It's more of a "thinking" trip. You ponder a lot of deep subjects when sitting alone and burning a good one. An hour and a half later, you are back to your normal self. It doesn't "Intoxicate" as such. That's why one can smoke one of the strongest available, and drive a car just fine. The "New, stronger strains", don't cause you to get any higher than the older, good Mexican weed. Once you get saturated with THC, you can't get any higher, and it wears off in the same hour and a half.
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I'm on the same page with you mostly, but I can say with confidence that there is a BIG difference in what is readily available in OKC compared to CO and WA.
 
Be Well

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Scotto said:
Looks like the propaganda film "Reefer Madness" is still having some effect on people.
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I've done research into the effects of mj by reading studies done over the past few years.

I used to smoke it a long, long, long time ago when it wasn't nearly as potent as now, and it made people mentally stunted and nutso even then.

At the very least, it's an escape from reality, and it lowers the IQ when used for some years, for daily smokers the stupid effect is faster; also the earlier people start smoking it. There is a fairly high incidence of psychotic episodes too.

I could give a crap if people accuse me of this or that or the other thing. Facts are what interests me, not mythology about the Holy Weed.
 
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Yogizorch

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Just because marijuana has been legalized in some states doesn't mean that smoking it should be legal. The health effects of smoking are well documented not to mention the effects of second hand smoke. In those states where it is legal, I would suggest dispensing it in pill form by prescription. The amount of THC per dose could be more accurately controlled that way.
 
Be Well

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Txkstew said:
For one thing, Marijuana is not classified as a "Narcotic". It's actually classified as a "Psychedelic", but I'm not even so sure about that label. I've never hallucinated on it. It's more of a "thinking" trip. You ponder a lot of deep subjects when sitting alone and burning a good one. An hour and a half later, you are back to your normal self. It doesn't "Intoxicate" as such. That's why one can smoke one of the strongest available, and drive a car just fine. The "New, stronger strains", don't cause you to get any higher than the older, good Mexican weed. Once you get saturated with THC, you can't get any higher, and it wears off in the same hour and a half.
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You must be smoking some really poor grade stuff.
 
Doc1

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Richard said:
All drugs are bad especially MJ in my experience.
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Then your experience should dissuade you from using any of them. I wholly support your right to make that choice. An attempt to force your personal beliefs and opinions on others is totalitarian. Personally, I believe some drugs are good, some are bad and the vast majority have qualities which may or may not be good depending on application and specific malady. It is my understanding that some religions, such as Christian Science, believe that all drugs are bad and refuse to use any of them. Again, I fully support their right to believe this and act upon it, so long as they don't attempt to force others to conform to their beliefs.

Best regards
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Doc1

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Yogizorch said:
Just because marijuana has been legalized in some states doesn't mean that smoking it should be legal. The health effects of smoking are well documented not to mention the effects of second hand smoke. In those states where it is legal, I would suggest dispensing it in pill form by prescription. The amount of THC per dose could be more accurately controlled that way.
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Yet another totalitarian response! Not only do we get the anti-marijhuana message in this post, but we are treated to swipes against smoking and - GASP - even 2nd-hand smoke!

Let me help you out, Yogi! The health effects of drinking alcohol are well-known so we should have prohibition against drinking, unless consumption and dosages are carefully controlled by a licensed (and expensive) state-approved medical functionary. Some people still believe that playing with your pee pee will make you blind so we should ban mast... well, playing with your dingaling. BB guns will put your eye out and rock & roll will make you go deaf and people are thirteen times more likely to die on a motorcycle than in a car and sex causes pregnancy and people slip on banana peels and choke on fish bones and throw their backs out dancing the Frug and get their feelings hurt reading the OpEd page and get paper cuts on their fingers and rashes on their bottoms and pirhannas bite people in water and blimps could fall on your head and...and...and...lions and tigers and bears! Oh, my!

Let's ban and control everything, every time and everywhere and especially let's put people like Yogizorch in charge of it all.

Best regards
Doc
 
Be Well

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mbabulldog said:
yeah, no kidding. the claim of hallucinating for hours is PURE PROPOGANDA....
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Some people hallucinate with potent weed. And the nuts/stupid effect does last for hours, I didn't say or mean that hallucinating does. Sensory input, time, reflexes, reactions, and mental processes including rational thinking are greatly impaired. That's why people smoke it!
 
mbabulldog

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OK, some of these comments are beyond ridiculous...So in the interest of furthering the greater knowledge, with the blessing of the OP, I'd like to freely answer any questions (short of those that would threaten OpSec) about MJ and the MJ Industry in Colorado.

Full disclosure; though my passion is the firearm industry (and I truly hope to one day return to that industry), a little over a year ago I was enticed by $ to run (NOT own, but RUN) one of the largest MJ Companies in Colorado. So I believe I am thoroughly qualified to answer any questions about this product you may have... Fire away...

First thing I'd like to address, is this crap about hallucinating about MJ. ALL cases/reports in Colorado of hallucinating have been when MJ has been ingested with another drug, whether a legal prescription drug (such as painkillers or psychotic meds) or laced with narcotics, such as heroin. MJ by itself has never been documented as a hallucinogenic by a coroner, DA, or Criminal Defense Attorney in any criminal case.

Yes, potency is off the charts, and continues to increase. Right now the industry standard for "good" weed is considered anything greater than 25%. For a couple of $'s more, you can legally purchase "top shelf" product, which is in excess of 30% THC. Some of that is designed for either "couch lock" or "functional" high, better known as Indica or Sativa. My company sells some of the most potent product available, and NOT ONCE has anyone EVER said they had a hallucinogenic experience, and some of these kids ingest enough MJ to choke a horse...Sure, if you take enough of pretty much ANYTHING can you hallucinate, but you really have to work at it, and if you're really trying to get THAT high, odds are you're going to either pass out first or forget what it is you're trying to achieve.

This woowoo about MJ is crazy, and I'd like to share my first-hand knowledge with anyone here who has an open mind.

Again, my apologies to the OP, and if he/she would like me to start another thread regarding same, I will honor their wishes.

ETA; no, I don't smoke or ingest MJ in any way. I love my firearms more than weed, and I don't want any reason for the Feds or anyone else to snoop around my personal business. But I thoroughly defend the rights of those who have been granted the right, through the voting system, to permit the purchase and consumption of marijuana.
 
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KauKau

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Actually I think we hit the plaid long ago. You gotta love all the info being sloped around, I think be well may be getting info from www.aslinger.gov.

It's a plant people, a plant that could save your life through collapse. How can every animal and insect have an actual.system that needs thc,cbd,cbn and cbg,,,that's the science. Please stop hanging your hat on the science rack when you are using flat out folklore fearmongering,,,,lowers iq? That is a new one,,,,love to.see the science on that.

Riddle me this, how does a man put his body through this?? I have personally smoked with him before paddling out on really big days. Mark smokes everyday,,every extreme athlete I know does. According to some of you, this should be impossible
http://www.surfline.com/surflinetv/...day-mark-healey-puerto-escondido-05-03_126992

And to all.you flag waving patriots, stay away from the real.patriots when the shit starts rolling, please. I don't need no freedom.warrior putting chains around my neck. Hahaha
 
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MBA, this forum is for learning. Please, fire away. I'll admit I know nothing of MJ effects, in earlier years bourbon was my escape of choice. From what I know, of the folks I know that use MJ, they do function better while intoxicated on weed, than I did on alcohol. So, IMO, I don't care if it's legalized or not.
 
mbabulldog

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Thank you Green Co.

It is my wish to make this a learning opportunity going BOTH ways. If someone can show me something I don't already know, then I've benefited from this discussion as well!
 
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KauKau

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I have put up.some info on how to make an essential oil and tincture in the prep.rooms. it gets very little attention unfortunately. Most discussions have one side, screaming pink elephants and another ping ponging through the misinfo.

I am in the business as well in CA, I have been in the industry for 8 years now. A lot of people are waking up.to the healing powers. We have several.thousand patients, I have not had one report of ill.effects, only positive. Maybe bulldog can't get through? I.doubt it though, the madness runs deep, hahaha
 
mbabulldog

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My journey into this industry began as one of DEEP reflection on my beliefs, and one of those core beliefs is the belief of State's rights. When presented with the opportunity to lead one of the newest and most contentious industries in the world, my core belief in the rights of the State's to self-regulate convinced me my decision was a just one.

There are down sides to this industry, and abuses by many who both sell and consume. It's not perfect. But I've also witnessed many who benefit from the consumption of MMJ in the treatment of many disorders. I've also seen alcoholism, and I've lost several dear friends to the bottle; I wish they had dealt with their demon with MJ instead of alcohol; they still may be here to see their grandchildren.
 
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cowboy

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Have you anything on how it helps the diet of a cancer patient. I've personally seen some that had totally stopped eating for a week, submit to chewing on a small bud and started at least some sort of eating again.
 
Scotto

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mbabulldog said:
OK, some of these comments are beyond ridiculous...So in the interest of furthering the greater knowledge, with the blessing of the OP, I'd like to freely answer any questions (short of those that would threaten OpSec) about MJ and the MJ Industry in Colorado.

Full disclosure; though my passion is the firearm industry (and I truly hope to one day return to that industry), a little over a year ago I was enticed by $ to run (NOT own, but RUN) one of the largest MJ Companies in Colorado. So I believe I am thoroughly qualified to answer any questions about this product you may have... Fire away...

First thing I'd like to address, is this crap about hallucinating about MJ. ALL cases/reports in Colorado of hallucinating have been when MJ has been ingested with another drug, whether a legal prescription drug (such as painkillers or psychotic meds) or laced with narcotics, such as heroin. MJ by itself has never been documented as a hallucinogenic by a coroner, DA, or Criminal Defense Attorney in any criminal case.

Yes, potency is off the charts, and continues to increase. Right now the industry standard for "good" weed is considered anything greater than 25%. For a couple of $'s more, you can legally purchase "top shelf" product, which is in excess of 30% THC. Some of that is designed for either "couch lock" or "functional" high, better known as Indica or Sativa. My company sells some of the most potent product available, and NOT ONCE has anyone EVER said they had a hallucinogenic experience, and some of these kids ingest enough MJ to choke a horse...Sure, if you take enough of pretty much ANYTHING can you hallucinate, but you really have to work at it, and if you're really trying to get THAT high, odds are you're going to either pass out first or forget what it is you're trying to achieve.

This woowoo about MJ is crazy, and I'd like to share my first-hand knowledge with anyone here who has an open mind.

Again, my apologies to the OP, and if he/she would like me to start another thread regarding same, I will honor their wishes.

ETA; no, I don't smoke or ingest MJ in any way. I love my firearms more than weed, and I don't want any reason for the Feds or anyone else to snoop around my personal business. But I thoroughly defend the rights of those who have been granted the right, through the voting system, to permit the purchase and consumption of marijuana.
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Thanks much for this post.

I don't smoke it and I don't really care if it's legal or not, but it's good to hear truth instead of hearing paranoid propaganda.
 
mbabulldog

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cowboy said:
Have you anything on how it helps the diet of a cancer patient. I've personally seen some that had totally stopped eating for a week, submit to chewing on a small bud and started at least some sort of eating again.
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The chemical compounds in MJ trigger the "hunger" mechanism's in the brain, which is what triggers the "munchies"...Its not that MJ by itself is the cure for the effects of chemo, cancers, or other side-effects that block the desire to eat, but that they trip the sensors that make people want to eat.

You don't have to "get high" to get the munchies. There are some strains of MJ that are so low in MJ that you would still pass a drug-test (this is especially prevalent in high-CBD strains). MJ makes you want to eat, pure and simple. This helps offset the nausea effects of other treatments.

I once had a patient at one of our stores come straight from Chemo. He was a new patient, and sent his Mom into the store because he couldn't get out of their truck, that's how weak he was. This kid (actually 19 years old) was wasting away to nothing from his Chemo treatments because he couldn't eat. As a desperate act Mom pulled into our dispensary on the way back from St. Anthony's Cancer Center. I happened to be in the lobby when she walked in, in complete and utter breakdown crying; she was watching her son die from Cancer, the treatment, the famine. She was willing to try ANYTHING. She was from Nebraska, they came down to Denver once every 5 days for his treatment.

One of my Managers pulled her aside, then pulled me aside and clued me in. I gave them free product, hoping if nothing else it would find them some comfort. Public consumption is illegal here in Colorado, so that Manager gave her his home address, and gave her permission to pull into his driveway and allow him as many puffs of an E-Cig as he could handle.

3 hours later I got a phone call from her, and she was ecstatic. They hit every Fast Food joint on the way up I25 to Nebraska; he ate like it was his first Thanksgiving! His cancer ultimately got the best of him 6 months later, but I got a Christmas card from his Mom last December thanking us.

THAT is what makes this all worth while...
 
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emporer13

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While I think there is definitely a place for medical MJ - my only concern is how many more stoned drivers will be on the roads that I travel in Texas. They drive bad enough without the extra boost.
 
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cowboy

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Wow! I guess I asked for it, but ya, you explained it right. So many are scared of MJ idea that they will refuse anything till its to late. I would suggest healthy foods/ juice's and early on use to augment any other forms of medications.
 
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mikedonathan

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I tried weed back about 1972 when I was across the pond with the Army. Didn't care for it and that was the end of it. Now it's legal here in WA. Just for the record the sun still rises in the east, reefer madness hasn't wrecked the place, the highways don't seem any worse, and things seem to be working out. A friend of mine came by with some "killer bud" and I tried it again. Still don't care for it. I'll stick with a nice IPA or a decent bourbon.
 
hunybee

hunybee

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can you clear something up for me? i had heard that you can get some medical mj concoction for pain that does NOT get you high. is this the truth?
 
mbabulldog

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emporer13 said:
While I think there is definitely a place for medical MJ - my only concern is how many more stoned drivers will be on the roads that I travel in Texas. They drive bad enough without the extra boost.
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Honestly, probably no more than you already have now, studies be told...
 
mbabulldog

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hunybee said:
can you clear something up for me? i had heard that you can get some medical mj concoction for pain that does NOT get you high. is this the truth?
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That is correct. You would be looking for a tincture/salve/oil high in what's known as CBD. Google "Charlotte's Web"; it's amazing, and works for children with extreme epilepsy and autism.
 
hunybee

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so you DO NOT get high? at all? but it stops pain? then what the heck is the deal then? this is the thing that millions have been looking for. they just want pain to stop, but still be able to function and at their normal level. it sounds like this could be over the counter like ibuprofen.
 
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