WAR Syria - Turkish troops launch anti-ISIS offensive in northern Syria (8/24/16)

LightEcho

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The Turks have been equipping and trading with the ISIS devils for a long time. Now they pretend to hunt them down? I am not that stupid. They are fighting the Kurds and Assad.

Erdogan arranged something with Putin or else they would have been wiped out. Something behind the scenes has been contracted. I suspect Russia and Assad have allowed the northern wild country of Syria to be taken by Turkey. What would they get in return? Maybe Turkey will clean out the ISIS vermine. The bombings in Turkey will continue as the betrayed ISIS remnant will exact revenge locally.

Dealing with Erdogan in such a way is like allowing a camel to get his nose in the tent during a sandstorm.
 

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Qalaat Al Mudiq ‏@QalaatAlMudiq 11m
#EuphratesShield (@RFS_NORTH map):
FSA secured 16km of TR border,
is 47km from Al-Rai & 57km from ISIS-held Al-Bab

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The Turks have been equipping and trading with the ISIS devils for a long time. Now they pretend to hunt them down? I am not that stupid. They are fighting the Kurds and Assad.

Erdogan arranged something with Putin or else they would have been wiped out. Something behind the scenes has been contracted. I suspect Russia and Assad have allowed the northern wild country of Syria to be taken by Turkey. What would they get in return? Maybe Turkey will clean out the ISIS vermine. The bombings in Turkey will continue as the betrayed ISIS remnant will exact revenge locally.

Dealing with Erdogan in such a way is like allowing a camel to get his nose in the tent during a sandstorm.

Ari Murad ‏@Arimurad 14h
Turkish soldiers pretending to fight ISIS for the media.
In reality ISIS joined the FSA. Not one shot was fired.

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^^^ Not sure of this, but Ari Murad is an 'award winning journalist' in UK
http://www.arimurad.co.uk/


Ari Murad ‏@Arimurad 18h
Jarablus was not liberated.
ISIS simply joined the ranks of the
FSA. Expect more terrorists in the west.




Joumana Gebara ‏@JoumanaGebara 19h
Reports from FSA that even US didnt fight positions to strike
& they easily entered Jarablus without any shooting, no bombs, no traps


Konstantin Krammer ‏@KonstantinKlug 6h
American YPG fighter: “Did the US betrayed the Kurds?
It certainly seems that way”

http://aranews.net/2016/08/american...rkey-led-jarabulus-operation-slap-face-kurds/
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Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel 6h
SDF liberated Menbeij from ISIS;
it is wrong on many levels for them to just give it to Turkish-backed terrorists.


Leith Abou Fadel ‏@leithfadel 6h
As the saying goes: "A Kurd's only friend is the mountains."


Al-Masdar News ‏@TheArabSource 1h
YPG's short term gain for long term loss
https://link.almasdarnews.com/anVCb #EuphratesShield ISIS Syria

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Aldin Abazović ‏@Ald_Aba 3h
Turkey artillery targeting SDF positions in Al-Amarneh,
7km South of Jarablus after SDF retook village from FSA Syria



Syrian Rebellion Obs ‏@Syria_Rebel_Obs 1h
Battle for Ayn al-Bayda & Amarnah
as Turkey trying to invade these SDF villages,
leaving completely IS areas safe

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CNN Türk ENG ‏@CNNTURK_ENG 34m
BREAKING Turkish military hits YPG with artillery fire
in north of Manbij as group advances ignoring warnings
^^^ Totally different 'take' by CNN on story


e-Αmyna ‏@e_amyna 15m
Armored Infantry Fighting Vehicles of the 5th Armoured Brigade
of the 2nd Army spotted in Jarablus #EuphratesShield

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ГК РФ в Женеве ‏@RusConsulGen 2h
Sergey Lavrov: the US should implement the promise made in January
http://bit.ly/2caheuv
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EHSANI2 ‏@EHSANI22 2h
Am told that Damascus will accept definition of an insurgent as "moderate"
if U.S. accepts to grant that fighter a one month visa on US soil


^^^ Very Clever,
the paperwork for a Visa should give permanent ID characteristics,
that would follow internationally as the person traveled back.
(fingerprints, Iris scan, etc...)
 

Housecarl

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^^^

Yeah well played by the Russian foreign minister....God what a mega FUBAR we've got on our hands! :shkr:
 

Doomer Doug

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Erdogan is invading Syria to get at the Kurds, Housecarl. He has supported ISIS for a long time now. I said the Kurds won't eat any crap from anybody. Meanwhile back in Iraq, the Peshmerga is refusing to withdraw EAST of the Tigris? River and is laying claim to Kirkuk, Erbil and Mosul. The Peshmerga is also fighting the Iranian Shia militia who are raping and murdering widely. Und finally, the Kurds are continuing their terror campaign inside of Turkey.

I will say it yet again: WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THE FOURTEEN TURKISH NAVY SHIPS THAT VANISHED SIX WEEKS AGO?
 

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Erdogan is invading Syria to get at the Kurds, Housecarl. He has supported ISIS for a long time now. I said the Kurds won't eat any crap from anybody. Meanwhile back in Iraq, the Peshmerga is refusing to withdraw EAST of the Tigris? River and is laying claim to Kirkuk, Erbil and Mosul. The Peshmerga is also fighting the Iranian Shia militia who are raping and murdering widely. Und finally, the Kurds are continuing their terror campaign inside of Turkey.

I will say it yet again: WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THE FOURTEEN TURKISH NAVY SHIPS THAT VANISHED SIX WEEKS AGO?

Abdullah Bozkurt ‏@abdbozkurt 5h
President Erdogan's mentor Kadir Mısıroğlu on pro-gov't TV
declares Syria & Iraq will be annexed to Turkey

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Abdullah Bozkurt ‏@abdbozkurt 5h
Erdogan's mentor Kadir Mısıroğlu also claims
Israel will get a beating from Turkey under Erdogan leadership.

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Naveed Ahmadنويدأحمد ‏@naveed360 4h
Russia-n military chief Gen Valery Gerasimov
cancel Turkey visit scheduled for today at the last minute
without giving reason.

jarabulus
 

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Abdullah Bozkurt ‏@abdbozkurt 5h
President Erdogan's mentor Kadir Mısıroğlu on pro-gov't TV
declares Syria & Iraq will be annexed to Turkey

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Abdullah Bozkurt ‏@abdbozkurt 5h
Erdogan's mentor Kadir Mısıroğlu also claims
Israel will get a beating from Turkey under Erdogan leadership.

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Naveed Ahmadنويدأحمد ‏@naveed360 4h
Russia-n military chief Gen Valery Gerasimov
cancel Turkey visit scheduled for today at the last minute
without giving reason.

jarabulus

AY YI YI!!


(My old mother used to say that.)

Wow..... now I see why Erdog is fighting with ISIS. Pure rivalry. Erdog wants to be mohammedan Top Dog.
 

LightEcho

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AY YI YI!!


(My old mother used to say that.)

Wow..... now I see why Erdog is fighting with ISIS. Pure rivalry. Erdog wants to be mohammedan Top Dog.

I don't think he is fighting ISIS. He is working with them and using them as pawns... and so is the US. The US is under elite control and seeks to remove Assad. Erdogan is playing along as the willing and useful tool for the elite, but he does have delusions of grandeur. Erdogan wants the world. They instructed ISIS to take on the FSA label for political correctness. Now the US can pretend to fight for free Syria.

All damned lies and may the murderous controllers feel many bites/stings from those out of the pit.
 

Housecarl

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Erdogan is invading Syria to get at the Kurds, Housecarl. He has supported ISIS for a long time now. I said the Kurds won't eat any crap from anybody. Meanwhile back in Iraq, the Peshmerga is refusing to withdraw EAST of the Tigris? River and is laying claim to Kirkuk, Erbil and Mosul. The Peshmerga is also fighting the Iranian Shia militia who are raping and murdering widely. Und finally, the Kurds are continuing their terror campaign inside of Turkey.

I will say it yet again: WHERE IN THE HELL ARE THE FOURTEEN TURKISH NAVY SHIPS THAT VANISHED SIX WEEKS AGO?

Besides getting at the Kurds, this "incursion" also grabs up territory the "Turkamen" and their Grey Wolf/AKP allies have been trying to grab (recall the Russian fighter bomber was shot down in this area).
 

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I don't think he is fighting ISIS. He is working with them and using them as pawns... and so is the US. The US is under elite control and seeks to remove Assad. Erdogan is playing along as the willing and useful tool for the elite, but he does have delusions of grandeur. Erdogan wants the world. They instructed ISIS to take on the FSA label for political correctness. Now the US can pretend to fight for free Syria.

All damned lies and may the murderous controllers feel many bites/stings from those out of the pit.

From what I've read this morning, something about Turkey wanting to annex Iraq and Syria, it makes sense. Erdog wants to be the big caliph of the whole area, so ISIS is a rival since that's what they want, too.
 

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Already Happened ‏@M3t4_tr0n · 3h3 hours ago

: Desert camouflage soldiers, armoured vehicles and military trucks in Port #Kavkaz, #Russia - August 26, 2016.
 

Doomer Doug

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Um, Erdogan really doesn't understand the forces he is messing with now. Russia has been trying to suck up to him, and boy did that go well. LOL Now that Ottoman Lite is openly saying he wants to annex both Syria and Iraq, the Russian and Kurdish gloves are going to come off. And that doesn't include the 250,000 Shia militia roaming around Iraq.

The war I have been saying was going to happen, well it just started. Erdogan isn't going to stop his "anti-ISIS" attacks: ROTFLMAO Please tell me I got too much kool aid in my morning coffee, but is this the start of a general Turkish offensive to TAKE ALL OF SYRIA IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS? I think Erdogan will want to chew his cud for a while before taking on Iraq, but who really knows with this F$%%%% FRUITCAKE?

The Kurds, well the Kurds have a MINIMUM of 100,000 armed Peshmerga in Northern Iraq right now, complete with all the toys the USA, Germany, yeah I know, and the Russians have given them. This includes MANPADS, anti-armor rockets, ANTI AIRCRAFT CANNONS, those quad 23 mm things that can chew up and spit out a helicopter like gum.

The key thing is the KURDS are now well positioned in northern Iraq and very close to the Turkish border. The Kurds in Syria, of which there are tens of thousands are also within striking range of both the ISIS and invading Turks. Again, they have MANPADS and anti armor rockets etc etc etc.

Yep, it looks like the Crimean/Ukraine war just got moved south. Russian is going to get heavily involved if Erdogan continues deploying south, towards Aleppo and Damascus. Nor will the Kurds who ALREADY CONTROL THE TURKISH SYRIAN AND IRAQI BORDERS FROM NORTHERN IRAQ TO WELL INTO CENTRAL SYRIA.

Erdogan is going to have to kick them out, which will take 200,000 troops and their toys at a minimum. Erdogan will soon be engaging the KURDS, the Syrian Army and the Shia/Hezzbollah troops DIRECTLY.
Yep, fecal sandwich for sure. I wonder if Obama will play more golf as a result? he he he
 

Ben Sunday

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^^^

Yeah well played by the Russian foreign minister....God what a mega FUBAR we've got on our hands! :shkr:

How true! The only question realistically open to interpretation is how large, grandiose and ultimately dangerous will the above mentioned FUBAR become?

Pretty unsettling shenanigans by the boobs in Washington, D.C.

imo.
 

Doomer Doug

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I'm sure blow dry hair Kerry will send everybody a "can't we all get along diplomatic note." Plus, Obama is now in charge. LOL

Yep, the inmates have definitely taken over the insane asylum.
 

northern watch

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US, Russia Fall Short on Deal to Restore Syria Truce
By Matthew Lee and Jamey Keaten, Associated Press
GENEVA August 26, 2016, 6:33 PM ET

The United States and Russia said Friday they had resolved a number of issues standing in the way of restoring a nationwide truce to Syria and opening up aid deliveries, but were unable once again to forge a comprehensive agreement on stepping up cooperation to end the brutal war that has killed hundreds of thousands.

After meeting off-and-on for nearly 10 hours in Geneva on Friday, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov could point to only incremental progress in filling in details of a broad understanding to boost joint efforts that was reached last month in Moscow.

Their failure to reach an overall deal highlighted the increasingly complex situation on the ground in Syria including new Russian-backed Syrian government attacks on opposition forces, the intermingling of some of those opposition forces with an al-Qaida affiliate not covered by the truce and the surrender of a rebel-held suburb of Damascus as well as deep divisions and mistrust dividing Washington and Moscow.

The complexities have also grown with the increasing internationalization of what has largely become a proxy war between regional and world powers, highlighted by a move by Turkish troops across the Syrian border against Islamic State fighters this week.

Kerry said he and Lavrov had agreed on the "vast majority" of technical discussions on steps to reinstate a cease-fire and improve humanitarian access. But critical sticking points remain unresolved and experts will remain in Geneva with an eye toward finalizing those in the coming days, he said.

"We are close," Kerry said. "But we are not going to rush to an agreement until it satisfies fully the needs of the Syrian people."

Lavrov echoed that, saying "we still need to finalize a few issues" and pointed to the need to separate fighters from the al-Nusra Front, which has ties to al-Qaida, from U.S.-backed fighters who hold parts of northwest Syria.

"We have continued our efforts to reduce the areas where we lack understanding and trust, which is an achievement," Lavrov said. "The mutual trust is growing with every meeting."

Yet, it was clear that neither side believes an overall agreement is imminent or even achievable after numerous previous disappointments shattered a brief period of relative calm earlier this year.

The inability to wrest an agreement between Russia and the U.S. as the major sponsors of the opposing sides in the stalled Syria peace talks all but spells another missed deadline for the U.N. Syria envoy to get the Syrian government and "moderate" opposition back to the table.

The U.N. envoy, Staffan de Mistura, briefly sat in Friday with Kerry and Lavrov. After missing an initial target date of Aug. 1, de Mistura had hoped to restart the intra-Syrian discussions toward political transition in late August. He suspended the talks in late April after a resurgence in the fighting.

Friday's meeting came a month after the Kerry and Lavrov met in Moscow and agreed on a number of unspecified actions to get the all-but-ignored truce back in force. However, as in Moscow, neither Kerry nor Lavrov would describe them in detail.

In a nod to previous failed attempts to resurrect the cessation of hostilities, Kerry stressed the importance of keeping the details secret.

"We do not want to make an announcement ... that is not enforceable, that doesn't have details worked out, that winds up in the place that the last two announcements have wound up," Kerry said. "Until we have, neither of us are prepared to make an announcement that is predicated for failure. We don't want a deal for the sake of the deal, we want a deal that is effective."

And, underscoring deep differences over developments on the ground, Kerry noted that Russia disputes the U.S. "narrative" of recent attacks on heavily populated areas being conducted by Syrian forces, Russia itself and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia. Russia maintains the attacks it has been involved in have targeted legitimate terrorist targets, while the U.S. says they have hit moderate opposition forces.

Expectations had been low for the talks, particularly given how efforts to forge a new U.S.-Russia understanding have fallen short virtually every month for the past five years.

At the same time, the Obama administration is not of one mind regarding the Russians. The Pentagon has publicly complained about getting drawn into greater cooperation with Russia even though it has been forced recently to expand communication with Moscow. Last week, the U.S. had to call for Russian help when Syrian warplanes struck an area not far from where U.S. troops were operating.

U.S. officials say it is imperative that Russia use its influence with Syrian President Bashar Assad to halt all attacks on moderate opposition forces, open humanitarian aid corridors, and concentrate any offensive action on the Islamic State group and other extremists not covered by what has become a largely ignored truce.

For their part, U.S. officials say they are willing to press rebels groups they support harder on separating themselves from the Islamic State and al-Nusra, which despite a recent name change is still viewed as al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria.

Those goals are not new, but recent developments have made achieving them even more urgent and important, according to U.S. officials. Recent developments include military operations around the city of Aleppo, the entry of Turkey into the ground war, Turkish hostility toward U.S.-backed Kurdish rebel groups and the presence of American military advisers in widening conflict zones.

Meanwhile, in a blow to the opposition, rebel forces and civilians in the besieged Damascus suburb of Daraya were to be evacuated on Friday after agreeing to surrender the town late Thursday after four years of grueling bombardment and a crippling siege that left the sprawling area in ruins.

The surrender of Daraya, which became an early symbol of the nascent uprising against Assad, marks a success for his government, removing a persistent threat only a few miles from his seat of power.

Referring to Daraya, Lavrov said: "This is an example I think will get some following." He said the Russian military's reconciliation center in Syria has received a request from another area to organize a similar operation with Russian mediation.



Associated Press writer Vladimir Isachenkov contributed from Moscow.


http://abcnews.go.com/International...ov-meet-geneva-discuss-syria-ukraine-41665351
 

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Doomer Doug:
Erdogan is going to have to kick them out, which will take 200,000 troops and their toys at a minimum. Erdogan will soon be engaging the KURDS, the Syrian Army and the Shia/Hezzbollah troops DIRECTLY.

And anyone's ideas about how well the Turkish military will do, now that so many officers are ...who knows where.
 

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may all be well
I'm sure blow dry hair Kerry will send everybody a "can't we all get along diplomatic note." Plus, Obama is now in charge. LOL

Yep, the inmates have definitely taken over the insane asylum.

And 0bola knows he's out in a few months and he doesn't give a f***, not that he ever did. He knows he's done pretty much all the major destruction he can do.
 

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What's Turkey really up to in Syria?

Author: Metin Gurcan
Posted August 25, 2016
Al-Monitor

Turkey's military plunge across the Syrian border this week has all eyes focused on the Jarablus area, as observers wait for the possible fallout between Ankara and the Kurds

It's evident that Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is targeting pro-PKK Kurdish party seeking to dominate the north of Syria. He admits as much publicly, though he says he is also pursuing the Islamic State (IS).

Indeed, at 4 a.m. local time August 24, Turkish planes penetrated Syrian air space and began bombing IS targets in the Jarablus area. At 6 a.m., about 1,500 Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters who had assembled at the Karkamis area of Turkey began crossing the border in an operation called Euphrates Shield.

Kurds control three separate areas in northern Syria on the Turkish border. Ankara fears that if the Kurds gain a stronghold on the west side of the Euphrates, they will be able to connect these areas and form a united territory right on Turkey's border. Turkey has demanded the Kurds withdraw to east of the Euphrates.

The strongest reaction from the public to Euphrates Shield came from Salih Muslim, the leader of the Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD). In a tweet, he warned, “Turkey will be losing a lot in the Syrian quagmire.” But Ankara’s reaction to Muslim’s tweet was even harsher.

Erdogan said, “Some people are challenging us, telling us what will happen to Turkey in Syria. You should first think of what will happen to you.”

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said, “Our goal is to sweep away Daesh [IS] from our border. But the YPG [Kurdish People's Protection Units] forces within the Syrian Democratic Forces [SDF] must withdraw to the east of the Euphrates forthwith. If not, Turkey will do what is necessary.”

On the morning of Aug. 25, YPG spokesman Redur Halil emphasized his belief that the Jarablus operation is not against IS but rather the Kurds. He declared they would not withdraw from west of the Euphrates and nobody could force them to. Speaking to Voice of America Radio, Halil said, “Nobody can ask us to withdraw from our own land.”

These remarks signal the likelihood of a first-ever ground confrontation in northern Syria between Ankara and the PYD.

Damascus registered a low-key reaction to the operation, complaining of Turkey’s violation of its "sovereign rights." The Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement expressing concern over the developments.

Turkish reinforcements continued to enter Syria. At 10 a.m. Aug. 25, 10 tanks and a lot of heavy engineering equipment crossed the border toward Jarablus. The deployment of new Turkish army units on the border and the arrival of reinforcements from other parts of the country indicate Ankara is determined to continue the operation.

A more important development came from the south of Jarablus. YPG Jarablus Military Council officials said there was a distance of only 3 kilometers (nearly 2 miles) between them and the FSA, which had entered Jarablus. Officials said the YPG would not allow FSA units to move any farther south. Local sources reported an exchange of mortar fire between the FSA and the YPG.

Sources speaking to Al-Monitor in Ankara on condition of anonymity said IS had been withdrawing from Jarablus for two weeks. The YPG had been preparing to move north to capture Jarablus, but Ankara pre-empted the move through Euphrates Shield. Ankara's action is further confirmation that the true target of the operation is not IS, but to block YPG’s domination of northern Syria.

The same sources said the heavy presence of armored and engineering forces along the border could be a sign of Ankara’s intention to set up a permanent base at Jarablus modeled after the Bashiqa base near Mosul in Iraq. Naturally, the reactions of Damascus, Moscow and Washington to such a plan will be important. Nevertheless, with this ongoing operation, Ankara for the first time in two years has made a difference in Syria. That is why in Ankara the most-heard comment nowadays is, “Finally, Turkey is back in the game in Syria.”

The critical questions are: Does Ankara have a road map with the blessing of Moscow and Washington? Has Ankara informed Damascus of its plans? Or will Ankara play it by ear according to field developments and by gauging the reactions of other players, especially the PYD? These are vital questions, because Ankara’s potential reaction to an FSA-YPG clash south of Jarablus could mean Euphrates Shield could easily expand beyond Jarablus toward the Al Rai-Azaz line to interdict the YPG from reaching Afrin and to change all the equations in northern Syria.

Ankara sources say the PYD’s attitude will be important, especially now. One source who didn’t want his name used drew attention to the importance of the YPG’s decision on whether to withdraw to the east of the Euphrates. “We will see if the PYD will confine itself to the limits the United States had coordinated with Turkey, or pursue its own goals. The United States wants the YPG to focus on a Raqqa operation. If we see the YPG withdrawing to the east of the Euphrates and focusing on the Raqqa region, we will understand that the YPG has made the decision Turkey [wants]," said the source.

Now eyes are on the south of Jarablus, awaiting the reactions of the YPG in the field and the PYD in the political arena about withdrawing to the east of the Euphrates. The Washington Post reported the morning of Aug. 25 that some but not all Kurdish forces had withdrawn. The political tension between Ankara and the PYD has for the first time created friction between the YPG and the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK). We will all watch anxiously to see how the parties will do in their crisis management on terrain that is already heating up.

Turkey's military presence

The Euphrates Shield operation has symbolic significance to Turkey, presenting the opportunity to restore the TSK's prestige, which was badly tarnished with the July 15 failed coup attempt. No doubt such image repair would contribute to the TSK's combat confidence, morale and cohesion with the population.

Here is a partial description of the troops and hardware being used in Euphrates Shield:

In air operations, in addition to Turkish F-16s, Turkey also is using its newly acquired Bayraktar TB2 unarmed drones. US A-10 tank-killer planes dropped 244 MK-84 bombs on 63 IS targets south of Jarablus.

The ground operations are being conducted by FSA fighters, whose numbers are expected to reach 5,000-strong as they are joined by perhaps a dozen armed groups such as Ahrar al-Sham.

A Turkish armored battalion of around 25 M60A3 tanks and a mechanized infantry battalion equipped with armored personnel carriers with about 300 soldiers are giving armored protection and close-fire support to FSA groups. It is most likely that the TSK base at nearby Kilis Elbeyli is coordinating close-air support, forward air control and medical evacuation with the FSA units.

An armored brigade is on reserve at nearby Karkamis, while tank and armored reinforcements from other parts of the country are still arriving, indicating that Ankara is aware of the possibility of expanding the operation depending on developments.

FSA units backed by Turkish F-16s have reached Keklice-Kivircik village, about 7 kilometers west of Jarablus, after their forward reconnaissance units entered Jarablus. The casualty toll of the FSA on the first day was one killed by a roadside bomb and about 20 wounded. The news media was informed that on the first day of operations, including air attacks, about 100 IS militants were killed. As seen in social media messages of FSA fighters, the first day of their operation was mostly a rural trek with no IS resistance, and Jarablus appeared to be a ghost town with no population.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...ia-euphrates-operation-possible-outcomes.html
 

Doomer Doug

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It will be very interesting to see what the 100,000 Kurdish Peshmerga now inside of Iraq do. They are currently slated to take Mosul. If they see Kurds in Syria being slaughtered by Turkey they may pour over the Euphrates and take on the Turks.

Further, any "attacks on ISIS" south of Jarablus are attacks on Kurdish forces. The FSA is now full of ISIS and Al Quaida troops. The Turks are now providing air support for the ISIS forces that now are the so called FSA.

Assad won't sit back and watch Turkey annex the northeastern part of Syria. I bet the Hezzbollah and Syrian Army will continue their existing offenses up from Palmayra. Further. Russian has been giving a whole lot of military support to the Kurdish Peshmerga inside of Iraq.

And yes, the USA has screwed the Kurds several times in the last 50 years or so. The Kurds now this and have been using their oil revenue to build up their Peshmerga forces.
 

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https://rbth.com/defence/2016/08/26/russian-private-military-company-spotted-in-syria_624521

Russian private military company ‘spotted’ in Syria

August 26, 2016 RBC Magazine

For the time being, private military companies (PMC) are outlawed in Russia. However, according to sources, the so-called Wagner group, a Russian equivalent of a PMC, has been spotted in Syria.

Not far from the base of the 10th Separate Special-Purpose Brigade of the Russian Defense Ministry’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) in the village of Molkino in the Krasnodar Territory, there is a checkpoint manned by guards armed with AK-74s.

Beyond the checkpoint, reportedly, lies the camp of a private military company (PMC), says a source at the military unit. There is no information on who owns this land but several neighboring plots are registered as belonging to the territorial division of the defense ministry’s forestry department.

The camp started operating approximately in the middle of 2015, say two RBK sources who used to work there. There are barracks, a guard tower, a police dog unit, a training facility and a parking lot on the territory of the camp.

The camp’s existence is not being publicized – formally, PMCs are outlawed in Russia. However, the Wagner group’s participation in the Syrian operation could pave the way for the legalization of private military companies in Russia.

Professional soldiers in Syria

Under Russian laws, the military can only be employed by the state. Mercenary activity is punishable by a prison term of up to 15 years. However, RBK sources in the Federal Security Service (FSB) and the defense ministry indicate that the Russian authorities have no intention of giving up on the idea of legalizing PMCs. Furthermore, there are private military companies in Russia that operate just like those abroad, despite the fact that there is no law in place to regulate their activity.

It is exactly because of the lack of legal regulation that Russian PMCs mainly operate abroad, registering their subsidiaries in offshore zones. Although Russian troops were not involved in a full-scale ground operation in Syria, there are reports of fighters who performed “special tasks.”

These are the kind of “special tasks” carried out in Syria by Major Sergei Chupov, a member of an elite unit who was killed in February 2016, an acquaintance of his told RBK.

The RBK source, who knew the serviceman well, claims that the interior ministry forces veteran, who had been through both Chechen campaigns, was in Syria as an employee of a private military company known as the Wagner group.

The Russian Defense Ministry dismissed reports about the Wagner group’s operation in Syria that appeared in the Wall Street Journal as an “information attack.” However, sources at the FSB and the defense ministry told RBK that unofficially the Wagner group is supervised by the GRU.

The Wagner group first appeared in the Middle East shortly before Russia began to officially deploy its bases in Syria in the fall of 2015, the RBK source at the Defense Ministry said.

In 2016, there were from 1,000 to 1,600 Wagner employees simultaneously present in Syria, says a source familiar with the operation.

Losses

According to RBK sources familiar with the details of the operation, Russia’s main losses in Syria were sustained by PMCs. The sources offer differing estimates of losses. A defense ministry official insists that a total of 27 “private servicemen” were killed in the Middle East, whereas a former PMC officer puts the figure at no fewer than 100.

RBK contacted the family of one of the killed PMC fighters but they refused to talk to the media. A Wagner group officer explained that non-disclosure is a prerequisite for the families to get compensation.

The standard compensation for the family of a killed PMC employee is up to 5 million rubles (about $80,000 at the current exchange rate), the source said.

Sensitive interests

PMC fighters played a major part in recapturing the historical part of the city of Palmyra from ISIS forces, says a former officer with the group. According to him, the Wagner group is being used mainly for carrying out offensives in difficult areas, making it possible to reduce losses among regular troops in Syria.

It is not quite accurate to describe the Wagner group as a private military company, another market source pointed out. “That group’s goal is not to make money, it is not a business,” he said.

In the case of the Wagner group, the interests of the state, which required forces to tackle sensitive tasks in Syria, coincided with the desire of a group of servicemen to make some money while performing tasks in the interests of the country, said an RBK source close to the FSB leadership.

“The benefit offered by PMCs is that they can be used abroad, when the use of regular troops is not very appropriate,” said Alexander Khramchikhin, deputy head of the Moscow-based Institute of Political and Military Analysis.

A similar reasoning was given by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, who supervises the military-defense complex, in the fall of 2012: “We are thinking whether our money will be used to finance foreign private military companies or whether we shall consider the expediency of setting up companies like that inside Russia and make a step in that direction,” he said.

However, according to Vladimir Neyelov, an expert with the Center for Strategic Trend Studies, for the state “the use of private military companies can be financially advantageous only for addressing specific tasks, but it cannot replace the army.”

Yet while the operation of private military companies remains illegal in Russia, the defense ministry is considering transferring mercenaries from the Wagner group from Russian territory to Tajikistan, Nagorny Karabakh or Abkhazia, says RBC’s source in the FSB.

The source is convinced that the PMC will not be disbanded as it has proven its effectiveness.

Authors: Ilya Rozhdestvensky, Anton Bayev, Polina Rusyayeva. Yelizaveta Surnacheva contributed to this article.

First published in Russian by RBC Magazine.

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From what I've read this morning, something about Turkey wanting to annex Iraq and Syria, it makes sense. Erdog wants to be the big caliph of the whole area, so ISIS is a rival since that's what they want, too.
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:dot5: You're not the only ones that thinks that!

Al-Masdar News ‏@TheArabSource 7h
Turkey's PM
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Melodi

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:dot5: You're not the only ones that thinks that!

Al-Masdar News ‏@TheArabSource 7h
Turkey's PM
compares Erdogan to Ottoman sultan that invaded Constantinople

https://link.almasdarnews.com/WLq16
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This is bad, very bad...on the other hand the more out there he is with his insanity the more likely he is to either do something so completely stupid that his own body guards (or underlings) turn on him and/or he becomes easier to justify being "taken out" by a foreign power.
 

Be Well

may all be well
It will be very interesting to see what the 100,000 Kurdish Peshmerga now inside of Iraq do. They are currently slated to take Mosul. If they see Kurds in Syria being slaughtered by Turkey they may pour over the Euphrates and take on the Turks.

Further, any "attacks on ISIS" south of Jarablus are attacks on Kurdish forces. The FSA is now full of ISIS and Al Quaida troops. The Turks are now providing air support for the ISIS forces that now are the so called FSA.

Assad won't sit back and watch Turkey annex the northeastern part of Syria. I bet the Hezzbollah and Syrian Army will continue their existing offenses up from Palmayra. Further. Russian has been giving a whole lot of military support to the Kurdish Peshmerga inside of Iraq.

And yes, the USA has screwed the Kurds several times in the last 50 years or so. The Kurds now this and have been using their oil revenue to build up their Peshmerga forces.

What do you think about the Turkish forces with so many officers taken out, can it function very well?
 

Doomer Doug

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I think Erdogan is in the same position as Stalin was after the 1937 purges that destroyed his military. The immediate result of that was the Russian Army invaded Finland in 1940 and got its butt kicked. The result of that was Hitler concluded he could invade Russia and not face much of a fight from the Russian military. From June to December that held true, at least until Stalin pulled his Siberian Army, convinced by the USA that Japan wouldn't attack based on our code breaking. Stalin then launched a winter offensive on December 6th, 1941 that nearly destroyed the Germans.

Erdogan has purged tens of thousands of his most experienced upper and middle level officers.
The effect on combat ability has to be substantial. I don't expect the "new" Turkish Army to be able to face the Russians, or even the Peshmerga. This is why most of the news stories are talking about Erdogan's thugs formed into paramilitary militias.

The Turkish Air Force has lost over 800 officers. They are effectively no longer combat effective and only able to bomb the Kurds. The Kurds have a lot of MANPADS, plus the quad 37 mm anti aircraft artillery Russia gave them.

The bottom line is Turkey can maybe field a division or two of effective troops. The rest are a mob of conscripts with weapons, ammo and some field gear.

This is also why the Turks are digging in and setting up fire bases. They don't have the ability to fight and engage in mobile warfare at this point.
 

Housecarl

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-village-idUSKCN112094


WORLD NEWS | Sat Aug 27, 2016 3:30pm EDT

Turkey ratchets up Syria offensive, says warplanes hit Kurdish militia

By Umit Bektas | KARKAMIS, TURKEY
Rebels supported by Turkey fought Kurdish-backed forces in north Syria on Saturday, as Ankara ratcheted up its cross-border offensive by saying it had launched air strikes against both Kurdish forces and Islamic State.

Turkey's government, which is fighting a Kurdish insurgency at home, has said the Syrian campaign it opened this week is as much about targeting Islamic State as it is about preventing Kurdish forces filling the vacuum left when Islamists withdraw.

Turkey wants to stop Kurdish forces gaining control of a continuous stretch of Syrian territory on its frontier, which Ankara fears could be used to support the Kurdish militant group PKK as it wages its three-decade insurgency on Turkish soil.

Turkish security sources said two F-16 jets bombed a site controlled by the Kurdish YPG militia, which is part of the broader U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) coalition. The sources also said the jets hit six Islamic State targets.

Turkish military sources said one of its soldiers was killed and three others wounded when a tank was hit by a rocket that they said was fired from territory held by the Kurdish YPG. The sources said the army shelled the area in response.

Syrian rebels opposed to Ankara's incursion said Turkish forces had targeted forces allied to the YPG and no Kurdish forces were in the area.

On the ground, Turkish-backed Syrian rebels fought forces aligned with the SDF near the frontier town of Jarablus. Forces opposed to Ankara said Turkish tanks were deployed, a charge denied by Turkey's rebel allies.

Turkey's offensive into Syria began on Wednesday, supporting its rebel allies with Turkish special forces, tanks and warplanes. It seized control of Jarablus from Islamic State seeking to stop any Kurdish forces moving in first.

Saturday's use of warplanes against what Turkey said was a Kurdish YPG militia target highlights its determination to prevent any Kurdish territorial expansion in north Syria.

Any action against Kurdish forces in Syria puts Turkey at odds with its NATO ally the United States, which backs the SDF and YPG, seeing them as the most reliable and effective ally in the fight against Islamic State in Syria.

It adds complexity to the Syrian conflict that erupted five years ago with an uprising against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and has since drawn in regional states and world powers.

"DANGEROUS ESCALATION"

The Jarablus Military Council, part of the SDF, had said earlier on Saturday that Turkish planes hit the village of al-Amarna south of Jarablus, causing civilian casualties. It called the action "a dangerous escalation".

The Kurdish-led administration that controls parts of northern Syria said Turkish tanks advanced on al-Amarna and clashed with forces of the Jarablus Military Council. But the Kurdish administration said no Kurdish forces were involved.

However, the leader of one Turkey-backed rebel group gave a rival account. He told Reuters the rebels battled the Kurdish YPG around al-Amarna and denied any Turkish tanks took part.

Turkish security forces simply said Turkish-backed forces had extended their control to five villages beyond Jarablus.

A video released by Turkey's military showed the Turkish Red Crescent distributing food and aid to people in Jarablus, with the help of Turkish troops. It also showed what appeared to be Turkish-backed rebels flicking v-for-victory signs in the town.

The newly formed Jarablus Military Council has said it was made up of people from the area with the aim of capturing the town and the surrounding region from Islamic State militants. However, the Turkish-backed rebels seized Jarablus first.

Several militias under the SDF banner pledged support to Jarablus Military Council after it reported the Turkish bombing.

The Northern Sun Battalion, an SDF faction, said in a statement it was heading to "Jarablus fronts" to help the council against "threats made by factions belonging to Turkey".

Tension has mounted in Syria's Aleppo region in the past year between the U.S-backed Kurdish YPG force and its allies on one hand and Turkish-backed rebel groups on the other. The two sides have clashed on several occasions.

(Additional reporting by Ece Toksabay and Orhan Coskun in Ankara and Tom Perry in Beirut; Writing by Edmund Blair; Editing by Ros Russell)
 

Housecarl

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Reuters: BREAKING NEWS:Rocket attack on Turkey's Diyarbakir airport carried out by suspected kurdish militants, no casualties reported: news agency

More when I get it...HC

ETA....Then there's this.....

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...d-syrian-rebels-clash-with-kurdish-led-forces

Turkey-allied Syrian rebels clash with Kurdish-led forces

One Turkish soldier killed and three wounded, say Turkey’s official news agency, in new escalation of conflict

The fighting took place in northeastern Syria, near Jarablus. Photograph: Sedat Suna/EPA
Associated Press
Saturday 27 August 2016 16.42 EDT

One Turkish soldier was killed and three wounded in a Kurdish rocket attack in Jarablus, Syria, according to Turkey’s official news agency.

Turkey-allied Syrian rebels clashed with Kurdish-led forces in northeastern Syria, with reports of Turkish tanks and airstrikes backing the rebels, in an escalation that further complicates the already protracted Syrian conflict.

Turkey’s military didn’t specify what the airstrikes hit, saying only that “terror groups” were targeted south of the village of Jarablus, where the clashes later ensued. A Kurdish-affiliated group said their forces were the target and called the attack an “unprecedented and dangerous escalation”. If confirmed, it would be the first Turkish airstrikes against Kurdish allied forces on Syrian soil.


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The escalation highlights concerns that Turkey’s incursion into Syria this week could lead to an all-out confrontation between Ankara and Syrian Kurds, both American allies, and hinder the war against Islamic State (Isis) by diverting resources.

It marks Turkey’s determination to push back Kurdish forces from along its borders and curb their ambitions to form a contiguous entity in northern Syria. Kurdish groups have already declared a semi-autonomous administration in Syria and control most of the border area.

Jarablus, and Manjib to the south, were liberated from Isis fighters by Kurdish-led forces earlier this month and are essential to connecting the western and eastern semi-autonomous Kurdish areas in Syria.

Turkish officials said they will continue their offensive in Syria until there is no longer any terror threat to Turkey. Ankara backed Syrian rebels to gain control of Jarablus last week and they are now pushing south.

On Saturday, the Syrian rebels said they have seized a number of villages south of Jarablus from Isis militants and Kurdish forces. Clashes were fiercest with the Kurdish-allied forces over the village of Amarneh, eight km (five miles) south of Jarablus.

The media office of the Turkish-backed Nour al-Din al-Zinki rebel group said the Syrian rebels were backed by Turkish tanks. A news report on ANHA, the news agency for the semi-autonomous Kurdish areas, said local fighters destroyed a Turkish tank and killed a number of fighters in an attack by the Turkish military and allied groups on Amarneh.

There was no immediate comment from Turkish officials.

The clashes were preceded by Turkish airstrikes against bases of Kurdish-affiliated forces and residential areas at Amarneh. The Jarablus Military Council, affiliated with the US-backed Kurdish-led Syria Democratic Forces, said the Turkish airstrikes marked an “unprecedented and dangerous escalation” that “endangers the future of the region.” It vowed to stand its ground. Other groups which are part of the SDF vowed to support them, calling on the US-led coalition to explain the Turkish attacks on allied forces.

The Guardian view on Turkey’s incursion into Syria: Ankara’s biggest concern is containing the Kurds
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Turkey’s state news agency, citing military sources, said the Turkish military joint special task forces and coalition aeroplanes targeted an ammunition depot and a barrack and outpost used as command centres by “terror groups” south of Jarablus on Saturday morning. The Anadolu Agency did not say which group or village was targeted.

Meanwhile, the UN special envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, appealed to the opposition to approve plans to deliver aid to rebel-held eastern Aleppo and government-held western Aleppo through a government-controlled route north of the city during a 48-hour humanitarian pause.

“People are suffering and need assistance. Time is of the essence. All must put the civilian population of Aleppo first and exert their influence now,” de Mistura said in a statement, urging an approval by Sunday.

Elsewhere, the Syrian government said it now has full control of the Damascus suburb of Darayya, following the completion of a forced evacuation deal struck with the government that emptied the area of its remaining rebels and residents and ended a four-year siege and gruelling bombing campaign.
 

Be Well

may all be well
I think Erdogan is in the same position as Stalin was after the 1937 purges that destroyed his military. The immediate result of that was the Russian Army invaded Finland in 1940 and got its butt kicked. The result of that was Hitler concluded he could invade Russia and not face much of a fight from the Russian military. From June to December that held true, at least until Stalin pulled his Siberian Army, convinced by the USA that Japan wouldn't attack based on our code breaking. Stalin then launched a winter offensive on December 6th, 1941 that nearly destroyed the Germans.

Erdogan has purged tens of thousands of his most experienced upper and middle level officers.
The effect on combat ability has to be substantial. I don't expect the "new" Turkish Army to be able to face the Russians, or even the Peshmerga. This is why most of the news stories are talking about Erdogan's thugs formed into paramilitary militias.

The Turkish Air Force has lost over 800 officers. They are effectively no longer combat effective and only able to bomb the Kurds. The Kurds have a lot of MANPADS, plus the quad 37 mm anti aircraft artillery Russia gave them.

The bottom line is Turkey can maybe field a division or two of effective troops. The rest are a mob of conscripts with weapons, ammo and some field gear.

This is also why the Turks are digging in and setting up fire bases. They don't have the ability to fight and engage in mobile warfare at this point.

Fascinating, thank you; I figured some weakening would be there. What happened to the vast numbers of purged men? Are they all dead? :-( No news at all out of Turkey on TB any more.... I remember Erdog closed down all comms out of the country. But one would think SOME news would trickle out.
 

Housecarl

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http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/08/biden_speaks_in_turkey_ouch.html

August 27, 2016

Biden speaks in Turkey. Ouch.

By Shoshana Bryen

The U.S. is in a tight spot, mostly of its own making, as regards relations with post-coup attempt Turkey. And Vice President Joe Biden just made it tighter, slandering Americans in the process.

U.S. forces at Turkey’s Incirlik air base – which contains American nuclear weapons – are operating under close to siege conditions. At least one government-aligned Turkish newspaper suggested that the nukes be confiscated by Ankara, and Turkey’s prime minister announced that Incirlik is open to other countries fighting ISIS – specifically including Russia. The need to shore up U.S.-Turkish relations is clear.

But at what cost? Biden’s groveling to the Turkish government was cringe-worthy and destructive of American ends.

First, he threatened Kurdish forces with a loss of American support. They “cannot, will not, and under no circumstances will get American support if they do not keep” what he said was a commitment to stay east of the Euphrates River. Aside from the impropriety of publicly denouncing an ally in the capital of its adversary, the threat comes only a week after the Obama administration announced it was sending 3,000 additional U.S. Special Forces soldiers to Syria specifically to aid the Kurds. The Kurds, the best fighting force against ISIS in the Syria-Iraq battleground, have to wonder where this leaves them, and the American troops have to wonder whether their presumed allies will trust them.

Then there was abject apology for American “insensitivity” following the coup attempt, and “how some of your countrymen feel the world didn’t respond ... rapidly enough or with the appropriate amount of solidarity and empathy.” The Washington Post wrote that Biden was nearly shouting as he added:

Let me be clear, as clear as I possibly can. I want to ease any speculation… The United States of America did not have any foreknowledge of what befell you on the 15th. The United States of America, the people of the United States of America, abhor what happened and under no circumstances would support anything remotely approaching the cowardly act of the treasonous members of your military… We did not have prior knowledge, we did not support, we immediately condemned, and we continue as we did before the coup to stand shoulder to shoulder not only with the government of Turkey but with the people of Turkey. The people of Turkey have no greater friend than the United States of America.

He doth protest too much. Washington did not aid the coup, but its post-coup response was reasonable. The situation on the ground was murky, and Turkey’s demand that the United States simply hand over a government opponent without evidence presented in U.S. court is without merit.

But the worst was Biden citing "confusion" in the United States after the 9-11 attacks to suggest some equivalence between our response and Ankara’s to a national trauma, and to suggest that Turkey’s sledgehammer reaction didn’t meant it wouldn’t “uphold democracy and human rights.” “Let’s give this some time,” Biden said, doing an extraordinary disservice to Americans and their government.

Whatever “confusion” reigned in the U.S. on September 12 and beyond, it did not include:

Detaining 35,000 people without charges
Arresting 17,740 people on specific charges
Issuing arrest warrants for 89 journalists
Firing or suspending 81,494 people from almost every government ministry, as well as prosecutors, university deans, teachers, soccer officials, and members of the Istanbul Stock Exchange, Television and Radio Supreme Council, Turkish Statistical Institute, Banking Regulation, and Supervision Agency, and more.

None of those fired under the state of emergency is eligible to appeal.

A week later, Amnesty International said it had credible evidence of detainees subjected to beatings and torture, including rape. A month later, 2,360 police officers, 112 military personnel, and 24 members of the coast guard were fired, and, with 23,000 people still detained, Turkey announced the parole of 38,000 criminals to make room for the political prisoners. This picture is not from post-9-11 America:

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It is slanderous to suggest equivalence.

The Obama administration is trying to keep a lot of balls in the air – supporting the Kurds in their fight against ISIS without aggravating Turkey by supporting Kurds in their quest for autonomy; working with Russia while Russia defends Syrian leader and war criminal Bashar Assad – without admitting we are defending Assad indirectly by our actions; and fighting ISIS in alliance with Iranian militias while the Iranian military fights for Assad and harasses American war ships in the Persian Gulf.

The administration isn’t doing very well, and Vice President Biden isn’t helping.

Shoshana Bryen is senior director of The Jewish Policy Center and editor of inFOCUS Magazine.
 

Doomer Doug

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Yes, I think the mass executions are pretty much over by now. They got beaten, tortured and abused; then they got shot, with no trial, no lawyer and no jury.

The West, the EU, the USA and NATO watched and did nothing while tens of thousands of people were killed. Erdogan did release a few thousand for PR.

They just tossed them into the Black Sea, or buried them in mass pits out in the boonies.

Erdogan is a monster.
 

Housecarl

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/0...rces-face-off-with-turkish-backed-rebels.html

CONFLICTS

Kurdish-led Syria forces face off with Turkish-backed rebels

Published August 27, 2016 Associated Press

BEIRUT – Backed by Turkish tanks and reports of airstrikes, Turkey-allied Syrian rebels clashed with Kurdish-led forces in northeastern Syria in a new escalation that further complicates the already protracted Syrian conflict.

Turkey's military didn't specify what the airstrikes hit, saying only that "terror groups" were targeted south of the village of Jarablus, where the clashes later ensued. A Kurdish-affiliated group said their forces were the target and called the attack an "unprecedented and dangerous escalation." If confirmed, it would be the first Turkish airstrikes against Kurdish allied forces on Syrian soil.

Late Saturday night, Turkey's official news agency reported that one Turkish solider had been killed and three wounded by what it said was a Kurdish rocket attack in Jarablus, near where the fighting has raged. It is the first reported Turkish fatality in Syria.

The new escalation highlights concerns that Turkey's incursion into Syria this week could lead to an all-out confrontation between Ankara and Syrian Kurds, both American allies, and hinder the war against the Islamic State group by diverting resources.

Sherwan Darwish, a spokesman for Kurdish-led forces in the village of Manbij, said on Twitter Saturday night: "While our forces fighting #IS Some #Turkey backed militias r attacking our positions & hampering our & Intl Coalition's fight against terror."

The clashes underscore Ankara's determination to push back Kurdish forces from along its borders, and curb their ambitions to form a contiguous entity in northern Syria. Kurdish groups have already declared a semi-autonomous administration in Syria and control most of the border area.

Jarablus, and Manbij to the south liberated from IS fighters by Kurdish-led forces earlier this month, are essential to connecting the western and eastern semi-autonomous Kurdish areas in Syria.

Turkish officials said they will continue their offensive in Syria until there is no longer any "terror" threat to Turkey from its war-torn neighbor. Ankara backed Syrian rebels to gain control of Jarablus last week. They are now pushing their way south.

On Saturday, the Syrian rebels said they have seized a number of villages south of Jarablus from IS militants and Kurdish forces. Clashes were fiercest with the Kurdish-allied forces over the village of Amarneh, eight kilometers (five miles) south of Jarablus.

The media office of the Turkish-backed Nour el-din el-Zinki rebel group said the Syrian rebels were backed by Turkish tanks. A news report on ANHA, the news agency for the semi-autonomous Kurdish areas, said local fighters destroyed a Turkish tank and killed a number of fighters in an attack by the Turkish military and allied groups on Amnarneh.

There was no immediate comment from Turkish officials.

The clashes were preceded by Turkish airstrikes against bases of Kurdish-affiliated forces and residential areas at Amarneh. The Jarablus Military Council, affiliated with the U.S-backed Kurdish-led Syria Democratic Forces, said the Turkish airstrikes marked an "unprecedented and dangerous escalation" that "endangers the future of the region."

It vowed to stand its ground. Other groups which are part of the SDF vowed to support them, calling on the U.S-led coalition to explain the Turkish attacks on allied forces.

Turkey's state news agency, citing military sources, said the Turkish Military Joint Special Task Forces and coalition airplanes targeted an ammunition depot and a barrack and outpost used as command centers by "terror groups" south of Jarablus Saturday morning. The Anadolu Agency did not say which group or village was targeted.

Turkey has long suspected the Syrian Kurdish People's Protection Units, or YPG, of being linked to Kurdish insurgents in its own southeast, which it labels as a terror group. It has demanded the YPG, which makes up the bulk of the SDF and has been one of the most effective U.S. ally in the fight against IS, withdraw to the east bank of the Euphrates River.

The U.S. supported Turkey's call for the Kurdish forces to move back, and Kurdish officials said they withdrew the YPG forces from Manbij. But following the Turkish offensive, local forces with Kurdish fighters and backed by YPG advisers pushed their way north of Manbij, in a rush for control of Jarablus.

Meanwhile, the U.N. special envoy to Syria, Staffan de Mistura, appealed to the opposition to approve plans to deliver aid to rebel-held eastern Aleppo and government-held Aleppo through a government-controlled route north of Aleppo during a 48-hour humanitarian pause.

Aleppo has been caught in a bloody circle of violence, with rebels and government forces each promising to unite the divided city. The U.N. said it has pre-positioned aid ready for delivery into Aleppo, to reach 80,000 people on the rebel side and some on the government side. But the opposition, whose fighters have opened another route in the south, were wary of the use of the government-controlled route.

"People are suffering and need assistance. Time is of the essence. All must put the civilian population of Aleppo first and exert their influence now," de Mistura said in a statement, urging an approval by Sunday.

But violence raged. Suspected government helicopters dropped two barrel bombs on a wake held for children killed a few days earlier, killing at least 15, according to the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

The Aleppo Media Center, an activist group in the city, and volunteers on the scene put the death toll higher at 24.

Mohammed Khandakani, a hospital volunteer, said one of the injured told him a barrel bomb was dropped in the Bab al-Nairab neighborhood as people paid their condolences for children killed Thursday in an airstrike that left 11 children dead in the same neighborhood. Minutes later, Khandakani said another barrel bomb was dropped, injuring an ambulance driver, and hampering rescue efforts.

The Syrian government and its Russian ally are the only ones operating helicopters over Aleppo. The government denies it uses barrel bombs.

Elsewhere, the Syrian government said it now has full control of the Damascus suburb of Daraya, following the completion of a forced evacuation deal struck with the government that emptied the area of its remaining rebels and residents and ended a four-year siege and grueling bombing campaign.

The declaration comes a day after the evacuation of nearly 5,000 residents and fighters from the suburb began. The deal followed an extensive government campaign of aerial bombing and shelling of Daraya, the last bastion against President Bashar Assad in the western Ghouta region, southwest of Damascus.

Some 700 gunmen and 4,000 civilians were evacuated. The gunmen and their families headed to the northern rebel-controlled Idlib province. Other civilians were escorted to shelters in government-controlled suburbs of Damascus.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Yes, I think the mass executions are pretty much over by now. They got beaten, tortured and abused; then they got shot, with no trial, no lawyer and no jury.

The West, the EU, the USA and NATO watched and did nothing while tens of thousands of people were killed. Erdogan did release a few thousand for PR.

They just tossed them into the Black Sea, or buried them in mass pits out in the boonies.

Erdogan is a monster.

I was afraid of that. When the coup first happened and the details were posted, and photos, I was so sickened and angry I had a hard time sleeping, thinking of the horrible pain and deaths. When I think of it, my stomach gets in knots. I want to see a photo of Erdog dead, hanging by his feet, pelted with dog crap.
 

Housecarl

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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-security-kurds-airport-idUSKCN1120TS

World News | Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:29pm EDT

Suspected Kurdish militants fire rockets at Turkey's Diyarbakir airport: media

Suspected Kurdish militants fired rockets at the airport in Turkey's main southeastern city of Diyarbakir on Saturday, sending passengers and staff scrambling for shelter, Dogan news agency said, but there were no immediate reports of casualties.

Four rockets were fired at a police checkpoint outside the VIP lounge, and passengers and staff were taken inside the terminal building for safety, the private news agency said. The attack happened not long before midnight (5.00 p.m. ET) on Saturday.

Broadcaster NTV said the rockets landed on wasteland nearby. There were no casualties and no disruption to flights, Diyarbakir governor Huseyin Aksoy told the news channel.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility.

Diyarbakir is the main city in Turkey's largely Kurdish southeast, where Kurdish militants have waged a three-decade insurgency. The attack comes days after Turkey launched a military incursion into Syria aimed at driving back Islamic State and preventing territorial gains by Kurdish fighters.

Rebels supported by Turkey fought Kurdish-backed forces in northern Syria on Saturday, and Ankara said it had launched air strikes against both Kurdish militia fighters and Islamic State.

Turkey fears Kurdish militia fighters will fill the void as Islamic State is pushed back. It wants to stop Kurdish forces gaining control of a continuous stretch of Syrian territory on its frontier, which it fears could deepen the insurgency by Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) militants on its own soil.


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Diyarbakir airport largely handles domestic flights and is served by carriers including Turkish Airlines.

The PKK, which first took up arms against the Turkish state in 1984, is considered a terrorist organization by Ankara, the United States and the European Union. A ceasefire collapsed just over a year ago, and violence has since surged.


(Reporting by Yesim Dikmen; Writing by Nick Tattersall)
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The general massacre of the Kurds in Northern Syria is now starting. The airport attack is the first of many, many terror attacks the Kurds will now unleash inside of Turkey. It is a free for all now.

http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/280820165

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#BREAKING: Tens of civilians massacred in Turkish air strike, artillery fire on Bir Al-Kusa village, 13km south of #Jarablus. #Turkey #Syria
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Casualties mount as Turkish forces push south of Jarablus
By Rudaw 46 minutes ago

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region—Casualty numbers are growing as the Turkish army and forces backed by it push south of Jarablus, with the aim of capturing areas under control of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), including the city of Manbij.

The Turkish military claimed that 25 fighters in the Kurdish Peoples Protection Units (YPG), the dominant force within the SDF, were killed in its airstrikes on Sunday.

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported the deaths of at least 40 civilians in villages south of Jarablus as well as the deaths of at least four YPG.

The YPG have not confirmed any casualties among their ranks but they report the deaths of tens of civilians in Turkish airstrikes in Bir Alkosa village, 13 kilometres south of Jarablus.
 
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