OT/MISC Swine Flu: Does it frighten you?

How do you feel about Swine Flu? Are you afraid?

  • Swine flu scares the ever-livin' POOP out of me, and I feel that we should all prepare for this biol

    Votes: 10 7.4%
  • I am only somewhat concerned about the virus.

    Votes: 56 41.2%
  • I'm not worried about it. I am concerned that it will be used to force vax, martial law, or some oth

    Votes: 54 39.7%
  • I'm not worried about it. It's a total hype piece to make someone's wallet fat.

    Votes: 16 11.8%

  • Total voters
    136

Aardaerimus

Anunnaku
I'm just wondering if I'm the only one that is totally unconcerned by this latest hyper-scare.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about the annual bout of stomach crud that hits us every fall, than I am about this.

Any time I see the media hype something, my yawn-o-meter kicks on... I felt the same way with "Conficker" and even Y2K.

Follow the money, or follow the agenda. Someone is going to make a killing on this and, IMO, it ain't the virus...

I expect that if it's not just a cash agenda, then at some point, someone's gonna push for forced vaccination. Either way, I think there's something far more sinister than the virus itself, here.

Just thinking out loud. How do you feel?
 

amazon

Veteran Member
I was somewhat concerned when it first broke out, but now I'm not. Really no one around here seems to be.
 

TKD_Kid

Veteran Member
Nope not afraid of it. More afraid of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights being completely gone from this scare. Now that scares the hell out of me.

Just a matter of time for the 4:00 a.m. round ups. :mad:
 

penumbra

centrist member
Either way, I think there's something far more sinister than the virus itself, here.

Yes, this has the potential to frighten me, however I try not to feed fear. I am relatively unconcerned about catching this flu, especially as it stands now, in the first wave. My opinion on this whole situation is fluid, so ask me again later.:D
 

Fred

Middle of the road
I'm just wondering if I'm the only one that is totally unconcerned by this latest hyper-scare.
You are not alone.

I think the vast majority of the fearmongering is courtesy of our media, in full gear for May sweeps. The more scared they keep you, the more you watch, and the more they can charge the advertisers. There's some money to follow.

Mark my words, if it weren't the swine flu, it would be shark attacks or something similarly statistically unlikely.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
I think it will get a lot worse and I don't fancy it. So yes I'm not laughing it off.


The Start Of The Spanish Flu

http://www.essortment.com/all/spanishflu_reiz.htm


It started out as a simple case of the flu. But it worsened, until it became deadly. It would do its work with lethal efficiency. Often the victim would be dead within hours of contracting the disease. The virus would cause the body to hemorrhage, the lungs would fill with liquid and the patient would drown in their own fluids.

The Spanish Flu actually originated in Tibet in 1917. As the armies of various nations moved across the continents the flu spread with them. Before long cases were showing up in Europe. When it hit France, it changed its character, becoming malignant as it was contracted by African soldiers who had been recruited into the French army.

After establishing a stronghold in France, the flu moved into Spain. Spain was a neutral player in the First World War. For that reason it had no need to censor the illness from its people in order to keep them focused on the war effort. The Spanish press, then, fully documented the illness, along with its terrible life taking effects on the human body.

The fever would affect a person in the following way:


(1) high fevers, shivers, coughs, muscular pain and sore throat,

(2) Tiredness and dizzy spells

(3) Loss of strength to the point of not being able to eat or drink without assistance

(4) Difficulty in breathing

(5) Death

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http://www.secretsofsurvival.com/survival/1918_spanish_flu.html

The Spanish Flu actually originated in China or Tibet in 1917, as a rare genetic shift of the influenza virus. A recombination of its surface proteins created a virus novel to almost everyone, thus creating an influenza without human immunity. Recently the virus has been reconstructed from the tissue of a dead soldier; it is now being genetically characterized

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Part 2 -- Avian Flu Fright: Politically Timed For Global "Latrogenocide
the "Spanish flu" when it originated, by historic accounts, in Tibet in 1917? ... In fact, the grand Spanish flu began in military camps.
www.friendsofvista.org/articles/article62793.html


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Walker10

Veteran Member
No, doesn't scare me. I think things like this ought to be taken seriously of course, especially if this mutates into comething worse this Winter, but nothing should scare us.

If people allow themselves to be scared at the first sign of trouble, TPTB will see that and use it to manipulate people.
 

BlueNewton

Veteran Member
Nope. Not afraid. But certainly prepared. I too have my suspicions about the history (and perhaps motivation) behind this flu. The possibility (some say likelihood) of sinister connections and certainly finaicial ones, does not, in my opinion, negate the potential risks, particularly in the near future. For this huge issue to suddenly become a non-event would really surprise me. Too much effort expended. Too much potential wasted. It's a terrific crisis. I don't believe it will be wasted--either as a distraction or as a catastrophic event in and of itself.
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
Those who dwell on illnesses of any kind are usually the first to succumb. I'm not sure which comes first: the illnesses or the fear of the illnesses. There is simply a certain segment of the population whose lives seem to revolve around their latest illness, real or imagined. I can't stand to be around that kind of person. Get a freaking life, get a hobby, do something constructive, for Pete's sake!

No, I'm not afraid. I give it a certain respect in that I will try to protect myself without the use of full HASMAT gear.
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm concerned about the flu, but 100X's more concerned about the govt response to it impacting my rights and freedoms.

Got God, Grub, Guns & Gold?
Panic Early, Beat the Rush!

- Shane
 

Abdon

Inactive
Afraid? Not at all. Bring it on. I can lock down for at least 4 months.

But right now, I'm going Morel mushroom hunting. :)
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
I love it when all these TB2K'rs come on and say, " NOPE, I'm not a bit concerned and pox to all of you that are a little concerned." :spns:

Then why on earth is everyone on TB reading all this stuff? And of course we know you're reading it because you respond to the thread telling the rest of us how silly we are for reading it and having some concern.:dvl1:

Yes, I do have some concern, but it's not what is called worry. I just don't like turning my back on anything the gov. might be attempting. In fact, they (the gov.) love those who attempt to make people look silly because some people are being extremely watchful of something that is not looking right.


How do you think they've (the gov.)has gotten away with so much? And look where we are today with Obama and his crew.

The same happens all the time on TB. If you put down the watchdogs enough they quit reporting. Happens all the time.:rolleyes:
 

Catbird

Membership Revoked
I'm not frightened by it. If I was, I wouldn't be re-reading The Stand. ;)

I am concerned, particularly because of the hospitalization rate which, so far, seems significantly higher than that of seasonal flu.

I view what is happening right now as almost a dry run of what could happen with a more virulent virus - and what might happen this fall.
 
I love it when all these TB2K'rs come on and say, " NOPE, I'm not a bit concerned and pox to all of you that are a little concerned." :spns:

Then why on earth is everyone on TB reading all this stuff? And of course we know you're reading it because you respond to the thread telling the rest of us how silly we are for reading it and having some concern.:dvl1:

Yes, I do have some concern, but it's not what is called worry. I just don't like turning my back on anything the gov. might be attempting. In fact, they (the gov.) love those who attempt to make people look silly because some people are being extremely watchful of something that is not looking right.


How do you think they've (the gov.)has gotten away with so much? And look where we are today with Obama and his crew.

The same happens all the time on TB. If you put down the watchdogs enough they quit reporting. Happens all the time.:rolleyes:

Number one tactic. marginalize and/or eliminate the credibility of those who ARE watching and DO get it (or at least a portion of it) by calling them crazy, tinfoil hatters, kooks, conspiracy theorists, etc. The microcosm of TB2K is just a reflection of the world at large, in this regard.

Those of you who think this government has our best interests at heart or would never do anything truly evil to this country or its citizens, at large or as individuals, need to do some reading and get a clue. Open your minds a little. Not so much your brains fall out, but wide enough to let in some light.

If you knew even some of the things the US has done to its people over the years, you would be truly horrified.

Rant off

Berta
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
I love it when all these TB2K'rs come on and say, " NOPE, I'm not a bit concerned and pox to all of you that are a little concerned." :spns:

Then why on earth is everyone on TB reading all this stuff? And of course we know you're reading it because you respond to the thread telling the rest of us how silly we are for reading it and having some concern.:dvl1:

Well, duh, considering the first page was pretty much 100% flu crap last week, it's difficult to avoid. Just because we see it doesn't mean we're opening the threads and reading it.

The subject of this thread was very clear that it was a poll.

Trust me, I rarely open a thread with "flu" in the title. Unless it's labled as PLAY or something really breaking.
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
Number one tactic. marginalize and/or eliminate the credibility of those who ARE watching and DO get it (or at least a portion of it) by calling them crazy, tinfoil hatters, kooks, conspiracy theorists, etc. The microcosm of TB2K is just a reflection of the world at large, in this regard.

If you, as you say, DO get it, perhaps you would enlighten the rest of us as to where it came from, what it is, and where it's going. Seeing a conspiracy at every turn doesn't mean you get it.

Worry on.....
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Afraid? Not at all. Bring it on. I can lock down for at least 4 months.

But right now, I'm going Morel mushroom hunting.

You rat! I haven't tasted a morel since we moved to Maine. I think I have seen ONE in the whole time we lived here.

It used to be the annual spring morel hunts for my sis in law and sister and me. We would do Indiana then northern Michigan where I lived......sigh.

Now that's something to be upset about. The most definate lack of morel mushrooms on my dinner menu!

The flu?
Sorta concerned but not more so than every flu season. DH a little more so. But, it is not going to disrupt my life at this point.
 

Fred

Middle of the road
I can see why people would be scared, though --- right now the odds of catching the flu are a mind-boggling 1 in 6612347. If that doesn't strike fear into a person's heart, I don't know what would.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
Well, duh, considering the first page was pretty much 100% flu crap last week, it's difficult to avoid. Just because we see it doesn't mean we're opening the threads and reading it.

The subject of this thread was very clear that it was a poll.

Trust me, I rarely open a thread with "flu" in the title. Unless it's labled as PLAY or something really breaking.



BBBD, You've posted to over 15 pro and con flu threads in the last few days. Want to know which ones?:spns:
 
I love this stuff...well, not the people getting sick, but the conspiracy theories and EOTW scenarios. I want to know what people are thinking and I don't mind admitting that I read the threads. You never know when some little tidbit of information is going to fall into place and make the picture clear.
 

KateCanada

Inactive
No, this does not worry me or anything any more in this world. The only thing that worries me is those that don't have Christ in their heart. :(
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
BBBD, You've posted to over 15 pro and con flu threads in the last few days. Want to know which ones?:spns:

I don't need to know which ones. I just know what I think of hypochondriacs. That has always been and will never change.

I think the whole thing is a diversion from all the other crap happening. Obama will save us, doncha know! And there are fools out there who will genuinely believe it.

BTW, thanks for doing a search. I didn't know you cared.



:prfl:
 

BlueNewton

Veteran Member
We've got one of the best collections of up-to-date information on a new, deadly, and bizarre virus that has nearly locked down the entire planet and some here say (even proudly) they aren't bothering to read it yet ridicule others who do and are concerned for a multitude of reasons?? Well, if that isn't ignorance compounded by arrogance.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Most people here are pretty honest, IGNORANT, TRUSTING, AND SIMPLE MINDED.

The overwhelming majority of you have NO knowledge of other WIDESPREAD deadly diseases that have a HIGHER THAN SMALLPOX DEATH RATE (>35%) and,

WHICH KILL BY 2 STEPS OR STAGES, SOMETIMES YEARS APART!!! Almost everybody who gets Dengue fever the first time gets such a mild case they sometimes don't even know or notice that they were sick!!! Then they are immune forever to THAT STRAIN of Dengue fever. BUT THERE ARE FOUR STRAINS OF DENGUE.

BUT ANYONE WHO GETS INFECTED A SECOND TIME WITH A DIFFERENT STRAIN OF DENGUE FEVER IS IN FOR A FIGHT FOR HIS LIFE, HAS A SIZEABLE (35+%)chance of DYING, and is very likely to have EBOLA-LIKE HEMHORRHAGIC BLEEDING EVERYWHERE from every orifice. The only "saving feature" keeping THAT sickness from wiping out more people is that it is ONLY spread by Dengue carrying mosquitoes from one sick person to a healthy or "sick once" person.

The 1918 Spanish FLU only began seriously killing people with often HEMORRHAGIC symptoms the second and subsequent times it passed through world populations.

Do not automatically assume that if you "get the mild form now" it will make you somehow more resistant to later mutated strains. IT MAY MAKE YOU MORE VULNERABLE, MARKED FOR DEATH THE SECOND TIME. Or not. We just don't know, but maybe some people DO know.

VERY few people "connect the dots" and bring EVERYTHING they know to be true into consideration when evaluating a situation. Those who do spend much time actually thinking about EVERYTHING that could bear on and influence problems are variously described as "insightful", far-sighted, circumspect, "conspiracy theorists", visionaries, among other ridiculed and honored badges.
 
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If you, as you say, DO get it, perhaps you would enlighten the rest of us as to where it came from, what it is, and where it's going. Seeing a conspiracy at every turn doesn't mean you get it.

Worry on.....

I made no personal claims of anything in my post. I merely agreed with a previous poster with general observations and a suggestion that some people (no one person in particular) could benefit from realizing that things are not always the way we are told they are.

From Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

As Forrest Gump would say, "And that's all I have to say about that".

Berta
 

Abdon

Inactive
We've got one of the best collections of up-to-date information on a new, deadly, and bizarre virus that has nearly locked down the entire planet and some here say (even proudly) they aren't bothering to read it yet ridicule others who do and are concerned for a multitude of reasons?? Well, if that isn't ignorance compounded by arrogance.

I live in a county with over 100,000 souls.

There are 2 confirmed cases of the "flu" in my county. H1N1. They have shut down 16 schools because of it.

When there's 10, 20 or 50. Maybe then I'll consider being worried. Otherwise life goes on imho . . .

btw, stay away from sick people.

Good hygene and peace out :)
 

BlueNewton

Veteran Member
Treating all severe cases with an effective antiviral and then calling this flu "mild" when those cases recover, rather than die, seems a bit disingenuous to me.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I live in a county with over 100,000 souls.

There are 2 confirmed cases of the "flu" in my county. H1N1. They have shut down 16 schools because of it.

When there's 10, 20 or 50. Maybe then I'll consider being worried. Otherwise life goes on imho . . .

btw, stay away from sick people.

Good hygene and peace out :)

Honey, you are living an illusion, most evident by your very avatar. "In the now"

Question the assumptions you have made and used to base your conclusion upon.

You only know, have been told, that there are only two cases of swine flu confirmed in your area. That may have been true a week or two ago.

The "authorities", whenever it it humanly possible to do so withhold the full truth about anything and everything from the public until they have already successfully responded (OR PLANNED A RESPONSE) to the "situation" that was true at the time, and can announce their being "on top of the problem".
 

Abdon

Inactive
Honey, you are living an illusion, most evident by your very avatar. "In the now"
Thank you "aint". I haven't been called Honey in a long time.

Your one of my favorites here.

My assumptumss are based on more than most should know.

peace out Hun :)
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
This just too funny.

Some of us think the government is hiding numbers and making it less than it is.

Others think the government is embellishing the truth and making it sound worse than it is.

And everybody has numbers to back up their theory.

The less group criticizes the more group and the more group lashes back at the less group.

And none of us has a clue.


:whistle:
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
This just too funny.

Some of us think the government is hiding numbers and making it less than it is.

Others think the government is embellishing the truth and making it sound worse than it is.

And everybody has numbers to back up their theory.

The less group criticizes the more group and the more group lashes back at the less group.

And none of us has a clue.


:whistle:

You cannot accurately realistically perceive the whole truth if you must dismiss vast bodies of pertinent truth to arrive at your conclusion.

The powers that be and authorities at every level often have CONFLICTING, CONTRADICTORY GOALS AND AGENDAS. They ALL will use ANY situation that presents itself to further their individual programs and goals.

All known truths (and their probability of pertinence) must be weighed in the mix of factors affecting any situation.


Facts:
1. There ARE those in power and authority who would and DO minimize, deny, under report and even hide or lie about what they personally "know" of a situation in order to "prevent public panic" and/or "maintain control" by being in exclusive possession of "all the truth".

2. The above people RARELY, IF EVER know, have or understand all the crucial truths bearing on any particular situation.

3. There are as many others in authority who would EXPLOIT and magnify any problem to further their unique agendas and goals.

4. There ARE many people of SCIENCE, POLITICS, BUSINESS, MEDICINE, GOVERNMENT, and EDUCATION who have extraordinary wealth, and/or power, authority, credentialed With the DESIRE, MOTIVE, MEANS, POWER AND OPPORTUNITY TO DE-POPULATE this planet, as they continually, publicly advocate.

5. There is realistically NO CONTROL or effective oversight of world wide genetic engineering efforts, both relatively AMATEUR and ultra-sophisticated secret multi-nations bio-weapons labs.

6.NOBODY on the planet, including even those actually engaged in creating artificial new forms of viruses, bacteria, plants and animals has any way to know the actual consequences their genetic meddling with the balance of nature might cause.

7. MOST of those engaged in such high tech playing with nature DO NOT HAVE, NOR PRACTICE ADEQUATE MEANS, METHODS AND ABILITY to prevent an unintended, accidental, sometimes overlooked, release of their "creations" upon the world. (which does not even address the implications of a deliberate release of bio-engineered microbes)

8. New organisms seldom have many existing, balancing "natural enemies" on this planet to restrain their spread.

9.The OCCURRENCE, significance and impact of accidentally released organisms by ALL levels of research is generally denied, misrepresented as naturally occuring mutations, and recombinations of existing microbial life by scientific, political and medical authorities so as to not stigmatize any scientific research however irresponsible and deflect public demand to bring increased legal restraints upon such research.

10. Scientists, "experts", even "GENIUSES", in their particular narrow field of knowledge do not necessarily have any more or even as much circumspective awareness as your local grocer, bank teller, farmer or cop AS TO WHAT IMPACT THEIR WORK COULD OR MIGHT
HAVE ON OTHER PEOPLE, BUSINESSES, SOCIETY, GOVERNMENT, HEALTH, FREEDOM AND THE FUTURE WE HAND TO OUR CHILDREN.

11. There ARE many people in this world who are truly EVIL. We generally acknowledge and deal with only those who are NOT rich, powerful, and fully capable and intending on executing terrible (for the rest of us) agendas.

12. ALL EVIL presents and sells itself as serving some intended "good" or positive outcome which will be achieved by doing that evil.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
There is a difference between respect and fear. Mother Nature is a well known B!t<h. Contagious disease is just one of the weapons in her arsenal. I respect things like the potential dangers of: flu, lightening, poison ivy, flat tires, hurricanes, snow storms and stinging insects and will go out of my way to avoid or prepare for them.
:popcorn1:
 

G-Man

Membership Revoked
It's all about control! Gonna be a long hot summer with more job losses. Read an interesting article today that states we might not go below 7% unemployment every again!!!!!
 
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