wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
Keep your main forces to the rear and sides, face off with only limited people that are capable of defense measures only, The rear will try to run over the front. Have you ever been turkey hunting?
WAR Something Wicked This Way Comes: Anarchy Is Being Loosed Upon The Nation
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Freeholder
This too shall pass.
I would love to bring them here, but they have jobs they need to keep going to, and houses with mortgages on them that have to be paid. I consider my place the fall-back -- if things get so bad that they've lost their jobs and their homes, then this place is paid for and has enough land to grow food for all of us. The housing would be tight, but we would make it work. My oldest daughter and her husband actually have a little one-bedroom house that is paid for (their two older daughters are living in it right now), and they could transfer over to that, but it only has a tiny yard, so they wouldn't be able to grow much food there. Also it's in kind of a rough part of town. It would be best if they all came here. But that won't happen until they have no place else to go.
Kathleen
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
The UN endorsed both Antifa and BLM... what could possibly go wrong?
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
understood. there are many of us in similar situations
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
No one has said anything contrary to that or is arguing against that on this thread. Myself in included.
They were quite clear. The reception of them is not my problem.
No one has said or has insinuated anything contrary to that statement on this thread. Myself included. It is an historical fact, one most of us understand on this board.
This is where understanding the CONTEXT of when and why those instructions were given is important. YAH gave those specific instructions to Ancient Israel WHEN He was leading them INTO the promised Land against Enemies that were coming against the camp.
When the Land was settled and the Tribes inhabited the land given to them, once after they became a corrupted people abandoning YAH and adopting the ways and beliefs of the Canaanite nations surrounding them, contrary to clear Commands - God never told His people to engage in the complete and utter devastation of the enemy HE brought against them as Judgement for their sins. In fact, those who did resist the Assyrians and Babylonians whom the Lord brought against them - were wiped out or fled in seven directions in fear from the enemy.
The enemy who came up among them was to be eschewed and rendered irrelevant BY THE PEOPLE themselves and not let the leavening of sin and corruption gain a foothold in their culture. They failed to do so and became completely leavened with antithetical beliefs contrary to their foundations and adopting the cultures of those who were hostile bent on their own destruction. It was then that the consequences were ripe for their own annihilation, which YAHWEH permitted.
Same as we here in the USA have failed to do so and have become leavened with the same.
I am often accused of being a Legalist, a 'judaizer' and other sundry unpleasant adjectives from those who equate my biblical understanding as having been 'done away with'. So no - I do not think the OT is irrelevant, it manifests the New.
I've never posted or written anything that contradicts what you wrote. I've never advocated pacifism in the face of assault. I'm a big believer in drawing the sword and shredding your enemy to pieces.
I'm a big believer in EYES WIDE OPEN when observing inevitable conflict approach. Knowing your enemy, knowing yourself, knowing the ground and knowing the environment and tools is vital to surviving the conflict.
You have made it clear we are to mentally and physically prepare ourselves to go to war against the enemy. There are plenty of your kind asking similarly. My question that I ask everyone to consider, is what is going to happen to your faith should the 'wicked prosper' despite your physical efforts? If Judgement is a done deal and a similar fate that befell Ancient Israel and Judah is ours? I think that precisely BECAUSE I do not believe the OT is irrelevant, and because I know YAHWEH is consistent when dealing with His people who call themselves by His Name. How much more will be accounted to us whom had been blessed by His Spirit than those simply blessed by His Presence in times past?
If that is how you take what I write, oh well.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
Similar to the women and children in Viet Nam?
Our military called that (unfortunately) collateral damage.
Knight_Loring
Veteran Member
My ever evolving plan is to counter attack from a different persons property. democrats, wink wink.
And planning on making quick decisions to dissuade them attacking my property.
Will need to quickly get neighbors up to speed and in the game.
I expect things will possibly go red hot next week.
I plan on living outside, beside or up trees, or on rooftops as needed with plenty of of ways to inflict pain on the enemy.
Planning on being on guard every night, outside for a while, and doing daytime sleeping.
Knight_Loring
Veteran Member
Yep. Everyone should be prepared to take out any enemy who poses a threat.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
And, yet, that is the type of warfare we engaged in to win our independence. What comes around goes around...
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
"If that is how you take what I write, oh well."
quite actually I LOVE what you write - I stated that very clearly at the outset. its just when it sounds "whiney" (vacillating may be a better term) - that I question.
^^THAT's^^ decisive . . . I can go with that. what I'd have difficulty with is all the mental gymnastics it MIGHT take to GET THERE. I'm not picking at you friend. just attempting to understand what I've perceived to be indecisiveness. doesn't fit with what I recall when I lurked over @ T*L when you posted . . . and I didn't feel that when you first returned. I'm beginning to understand that.
I'm happy if you are. . .
quite actually I LOVE what you write - I stated that very clearly at the outset. its just when it sounds "whiney" (vacillating may be a better term) - that I question.
^^THAT's^^ decisive . . . I can go with that. what I'd have difficulty with is all the mental gymnastics it MIGHT take to GET THERE. I'm not picking at you friend. just attempting to understand what I've perceived to be indecisiveness. doesn't fit with what I recall when I lurked over @ T*L when you posted . . . and I didn't feel that when you first returned. I'm beginning to understand that.
I'm happy if you are. . .
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
And, if "they" can keep the battles fragmented to a "personal" level, that is how they will win.
The following is just an observation based on the example Dennis gives. I AM NOT ATTACKING DENNIS ( Let's get that out in the open ) just commenting on what he said because it is today's reality.
Baltimore... Minneapolis... Illinois...
All run under the democrats mandate. All interconnected. But, living in Texas precludes one from acting. That is the strategy, I believe. I have solutions but I am in no position to enact them.
The right needs someone as a figurehead to take charge. Honestly, IMHO, if Trump wins reelection I think the left will explode in a frenzy of violence that will make what we are seeing now pale in comparison. *IF* that happens, Trump needs to declare an insurrection. When and if that is done, our side may finally come together in an organized manner. Until we get leadership on a national level, we will continue to lose.
Mr. Peabody
Veteran Member
Our own government can dish out a massive attitude adjustment by limiting or shutting down the power grid, pipe lines/fuel supply, shipping hubs, any/all telcom, inter state trans, air travel, train travel, and I've been told they can take your birthday away. The Gov can isolate any specific area they choose to deal with actions they don't like. Once a national emergency is declared, it's up to the exec branch to determine what happens. If a certain area has become an anarchist heaven, the gov can make it a hell. If you are in that area, your pocket Constitution can be used for toilet paper.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Have you looked?
100 said killed as Christian militia, Muslim rebels clash
100 said killed as Christian militia, Muslim rebels clash
Fighting in Central African Republic has simmered since 2013, when predominantly Muslim rebels seized power
www.cbsnews.com
Central African Republic: Muslims Forced to Flee
Christian Militias Unleash Waves of Targeted Violence
Central African Republic: Muslims Forced to Flee
In Pakistan, a rare Christian retaliation against Muslim violence
Earlier this month, residents of a Christian neighborhood in Gujranwala did something unprecedented when their settlement was attacked by Muslims: They fought back
In Pakistan, a rare Christian retaliation against Muslim violence
Earlier this month, residents of a Christian neighborhood in Gujranwala did something unprecedented when their settlement was attacked by Muslims: They fought back.
www.csmonitor.com
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
Which is what we are discussing. There is the need to consider a vast amount of information, including the political realities both local and regional; laws that are not being enforced versus those upon whom force is applied; moral obligations to what one understands; potential consequences with family and neighbors.
The fact remains that the enemy has the will to burn it all down and do things that normal people do not. Do we have the will to do what will be required to stop them? We know there is no political will to do so, and because of that, this insurrection has been emboldened and strengthened to potentially insurmountable levels that will require it to be put down HARD and ruthlessly.
The Rule of Law is gone - and/or it is selectively applied and enforced with the obvious benefactors being the insurrectionists themselves, so everything we are contemplating and mentally planning for is a total unknown that most of us have never been confronted with before.
Then there are the factors which we are totally uncertain of: what comes out the other side of the growing conflict - and what if God has decided that time is up for us - and that peace has been taken away from us from this point forward?
I'm not 'indecisive' in terms of what I am willing to do when I go through the mental exercises. Actuality is yet another matter.
What some have decided is cowardice or indecisiveness is my lack of faith in those actions towards a positive outcome. Whether it is in civil efforts, institutions or in combat conflict itself - I am self-admittedly NOT confident in the outcome.
In some instances I am vociferously argumentative in where I suggest some people's faith has been misplaced.
My biggest fear is not in the lack of preparedness or unwillingness to engage or even see the clear enemy - my biggest fear is what bewilderment is going to do to people when their faith and hopes in those things it should not be placed collapses.
ShadowMan
Designated Grumpy Old Fart
If you've ever read the original book "Starship Troopers" (not the lame movie) in the beginning of the book the world basically goes to shitte and everything collapses. Anarchy reigns supreme and finally it's the military veterans, returning after being abandoned by their governments in a war in Asia, grab the reins of authority and through simple direct action return their homelands to law and order. One of the most interesting changes is the "degrees" or levels of citizenship. To be a FULL Citizen one must have served honorably in the military service to earn the right/franchise of voting and holding public office. No service, no rights to vote or govern. The basic premise is that if you are unwilling to serve and protect the system you have not earned the right to determine, vote or lead the system.
Another interesting change was based on punishments that were simple, direct, immediate and public. No long term prison sentences. Simple violations could result in public flogging. Repeat offenders received the previous punishment and then the new punishment. Three strikes were an immediate death sentence. Carried out in public with a long drop on a short rope.
Another interesting change was based on punishments that were simple, direct, immediate and public. No long term prison sentences. Simple violations could result in public flogging. Repeat offenders received the previous punishment and then the new punishment. Three strikes were an immediate death sentence. Carried out in public with a long drop on a short rope.
Raggedyman
Res ipsa loquitur
"What some have decided is cowardice or indecisiveness is my lack of faith in those actions towards a positive outcome. Whether it is in civil efforts, institutions or in combat conflict itself - I am self-admittedly NOT confident in the outcome.
In some instances I am vociferously argumentative in where I suggest some people's faith has been misplaced.
My biggest fear is not in the lack of preparedness or unwillingness to engage or even see the clear enemy - my biggest fear is what bewilderment is going to do to people when their faith and hopes in those things it should not be placed collapses."
and that makes perfect and compete sense. I am also not confident in the outcome . . . which is why I push as I do.
peace
In some instances I am vociferously argumentative in where I suggest some people's faith has been misplaced.
My biggest fear is not in the lack of preparedness or unwillingness to engage or even see the clear enemy - my biggest fear is what bewilderment is going to do to people when their faith and hopes in those things it should not be placed collapses."
and that makes perfect and compete sense. I am also not confident in the outcome . . . which is why I push as I do.
peace
See my post 78
WAR - Something Wicked This Way Comes: Anarchy Is Being Loosed Upon The Nation
Lurker, there won't be fields of battle with uniformed soldiers under their respective command structures, facing each other. Thus, "when do we 'go'?" will vary by location and whatever the local government is trying to pull. WW2 and Korea were perfect examples of "classic war." But when Viet...
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
I am against ALL 'isms"
Freeholder
This too shall pass.
Have you looked?
100 said killed as Christian militia, Muslim rebels clash
100 said killed as Christian militia, Muslim rebels clash
Fighting in Central African Republic has simmered since 2013, when predominantly Muslim rebels seized power
Central African Republic: Muslims Forced to Flee
Christian Militias Unleash Waves of Targeted Violence
Central African Republic: Muslims Forced to Flee
www.hrw.org
In Pakistan, a rare Christian retaliation against Muslim violence
Earlier this month, residents of a Christian neighborhood in Gujranwala did something unprecedented when their settlement was attacked by Muslims: They fought back
In Pakistan, a rare Christian retaliation against Muslim violence
Earlier this month, residents of a Christian neighborhood in Gujranwala did something unprecedented when their settlement was attacked by Muslims: They fought back.
Good -- I'm glad to see that some of the Christians are starting to fight back! But it's still not happening very often or it wouldn't be called rare. I am surprised to the point of shock that Christians in Pakistan are fighting back!
I think American Christians, at least in rural areas, will be a little quicker to fight back against murderous persecution -- we are better armed, and have a different mind-set. It's still going to be hard for people who live alone, though.
Kathleen
155 arty
Veteran Member
Exactly ! And from the back corner or as far away from the window or opening that still slows good field of fire!If your firing point is elevated enough, you can shoot way back in the mob and leave the W & C alone.
ohiohippie
Veteran Member
I went to Philly on my scanner app. Every police. dept. division was down. The fire was up.
Are we talking the same thing. ty
I am really short on cloaks.
Then how can you hide the daggers?
One of my old retired co-workers used to have one of these on his desk at work. Never heard of Det A? You weren't supposed to. Detachment "A" | Berlin Special Forces
Then how can you hide the daggers?
One of my old retired co-workers used to have one of these on his desk at work. Never heard of Det A? You weren't supposed to. Detachment "A" | Berlin Special Forces
coalcracker
Veteran Member
Yes.
The one good thing is it allows the police some operational security, and no one wants the anarchists to have easy access to police communications in order to do even further damage.
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
Philadelphia socialists share police scanner info to aid protesters, rioters
The Philadelphia riots appear to have been highly organized with police scanner information shared by left-wing groups — including one called the Philly Socialists.
“Community call for protest at 7pm, Malcolm X Park,” the group tweeted Monday night after news started spreading of the fatal police shooting of Walter Wallace after he refused to drop a knife.
Dozens answered the call, gathering at the park chanting “black lives matter” before marching on a police precinct, The Philadelphia Inquirer said.
Hundreds eventually gathered in West Philly, looting, torching police vehicles and attacking cops, leaving at least 30 injured — with Philly Socialists following almost every move online.
The “base-building socialist organization” spent the following hours until early Tuesday updating protesters on where police were — readily admitting it was coming from police scanners.
The group also called for “bodies needed” by “comrades” at some areas where there were clashes with officers.
At times, they encouraged protesters by repeating police fears that they had “exhausted the resources that they have.”
Using the hashtag #OTGWestPhilly, the group also shared information with another organized group, so-called “Revolutionary Intercommunalism” members of The Black and Brown Coalition of PHL.
They also shared police movements, including a suspected undercover car, as well as areas where arrests were being made.
“MARCHERS ARE ASKING FOR MORE PEOPLE,” the group said at one point, also warning, “PHILLY PD WE ARE WATCHING YOU.”
Others, meanwhile, used scanner info to warn looters. “Philly Scanner: If you’re in the Rite-Aid right now, they’re WATCHING YOU, looking to secure front & rear,” one person warned on Twitter using the other groups’ hashtag to spread it.
As well as organizing looters and protesters, many on the streets threatened journalists — even trashing an ABC News van that refused to stop filming, some online bragged.
“I watched protestors charge at 3 separate cameramen – press was told to stand back & stay away all night The most hostile is ever seen it towards media, myself included,” podcaster Jason Peters said.
The groups also helped arrange legal support and bail for anyone arrested during the riots.
“Comrades, If you are arrested, tell the cops NOTHING. Don’t talk about the action or your politics with anyone, stay in solidarity, and ask for your lawyer (up against the law),” The Black and Brown Coalition of PHL said.
Despite the detailed tweets, The Black and Brown Coalition of PHL called it “highly inaccurate” to say it organized the protest.
“We did not organize a thing. We amplified the voices of a concerned public and we will continue to do just that,” the group said.
“Also, do humanity a favor and learn what Antifa stands for,” the group wrote in response to someone who wrote, “remember Antifa is ‘just an idea,’ according to Joe Biden.”
Neither group immediately responded to messages from The Post.
Philadelphia socialists share police scanner info to aid protesters, rioters
The Philadelphia riots appear to have been highly organized with police scanner information shared by left-wing groups — including one called the Philly Socialists. “Community call for …
nypost.com
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
Philadelphia socialists share police scanner info to aid protesters, rioters
More evidence that the Marxist army we are going up against, are not the disorganized, helpless tofu-eating wimps we are constantly told by bravioso in our midst.
You are dealing with a well-funded, high-level supported and trained 4th Generation Asymmetric Guerrilla force with allies in both Communist and Jihadist regimes having trained with both.
More evidence that the Marxist army we are going up against, are not the disorganized, helpless tofu-eating wimps we are constantly told by bravioso in our midst.
You are dealing with a well-funded, high-level supported and trained 4th Generation Asymmetric Guerrilla force with allies in both Communist and Jihadist regimes having trained with both.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
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I am really short on cloaks.
Then how can you hide the daggers?
One of my old retired co-workers used to have one of these on his desk at work. Never heard of Det A? You weren't supposed to. Detachment "A" | Berlin Special Forces
The Norse god Odin walked around in disguise.
He carried a huge load his back...symbolizing earthly burdens. That carving reminds me of him.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
Invar said....
"My biggest fear is not in the lack of preparedness or unwillingness to engage or even see the clear enemy - my biggest fear is what bewilderment is going to do to people when their faith and hopes in those things it should not be placed collapses."
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It is not for us to fear how others will react...OR IF THEIR FAITH WILL COLLAPSE under stress. We have no control over others... only ourselves.. Although fear is a natural emotion....fear cannot blindly prevent you and yours from defending your Christian fundamental values when PUSH COMES TO SHOVE. The word fear should be taken out of your lexicon Invar.
Your avatar portrays a Christisn warrior. Are you and your avatar at odds?
As I write this post the hymn ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS floats through my mind.
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INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
That is not the kind of fear I am taking about at all.
I am not afraid of the bullies, the communist goons or their state sponsors and spooks. I'm not afraid to die standing for what I know is right.
The fear I am concerned with, coincides with the question Yeshua asked regarding whether or not He would find any on this Earth when He returned (Luke 18:8). Because when Lawlessness abounds, the love - and the faith - of many Believers is going to grow cold.
And I got a small taste a few years ago.
Easily said. However, I was shown something of my own self in a situation most Americans have never experienced... yet.
It is one that all of us are going to face soon as trends continue.
Despite all the head knowledge you may have, despite the countless bible studies and church attendance - when it seems God is absent in the midst of abject evil being perpetrated on those you love without deliverance... a whole lot of what we assume suddenly transforms itself into anger at Him whom is seemingly absent and not answering prayers for relief.
Enduring what is to come with your faith intact, is going to be the hard test. Given my own failure in that situation - it is one I fear is likely to happen en-masse here given how infected this people are with the prosperity gospel and the blessings we have enjoyed. I never doctrinally agreed with that theology - but it was interesting to discover just how much of it was actually a part of how I expected YAH to work.
If the Apostle Paul could express fear over the endurance of faith, given what was to come against the churches he visited and wrote to - I am not expressing anything different than he did.
doctor_fungcool
TB Fanatic
Tnx for the detailed reply.
Be steadfast in your faith. Worry not about those who may waiver...for ultimately GOD will be the final arbiter of all things...be they of the material world or of HIS spiritual realm. As humans ....we are weak in many ways.....our faith is the only thing that we can take with us when we leave this veil of tears.
There are powerful forces that wish to destroy our will. We must wear the armor of righteousness in order to fend off the degradation that much of this EARTHLY esistence encompasses. Wear that armor proudly....for without it we are nothing but prey for
the demonic entities that inhabit this realm.
Trust me...I have seen the face of evil..it is beastly.
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MinnesotaSmith
Membership Revoked
And, which of those engage in repeated/ mass murder of innocents in territory they control, as some of those types assuredly do? Kind of a major point that's being left out on that list.
Old Gray Mare
TB Fanatic
I think "anarchy" will depend on where you live and those who live around you.
I was thinking about how few puppet masters there are in the global elite. I was also thinking how hard it is to hide in the digital world. Imagine how hard it would be if you were intent on keeping a certain lifestyle and had no concept of going gray or felt beyond the need for opsec?
Yes, I know there are blind trusts, shell corporations and other things to hide behind. There are other breadcrumbs to follow. There are also individuals (whose names I've long ago and purposely forgotten) who I would not want following those bread crumbs if they led to me.
I wonder how many of those puppet masters will survive the havoc they are about to unleash?
I was thinking about how few puppet masters there are in the global elite. I was also thinking how hard it is to hide in the digital world. Imagine how hard it would be if you were intent on keeping a certain lifestyle and had no concept of going gray or felt beyond the need for opsec?
Yes, I know there are blind trusts, shell corporations and other things to hide behind. There are other breadcrumbs to follow. There are also individuals (whose names I've long ago and purposely forgotten) who I would not want following those bread crumbs if they led to me.
I wonder how many of those puppet masters will survive the havoc they are about to unleash?
Altura Ct.
Veteran Member
Indeed. This prevailing trend & idea that looters can run rampant is dangerous BS.
INVAR
Sword At-The-Ready
When leaders call riots and arson "Peaceful Protests" and looting is called "Reparations" - it is not just 'dangerous' - they have actually justified lawless as a moral good.
We don't come back from that.