INTL Something unusual is indeed going on in China: Rumours all over the place, including suggestions it's a coup.
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This video of military vehicles moving to #Beijing comes immediately after the grounding of 59% of the flights in the country and the jailings of senior officials. There’s a lot of smoke, which means there is a fire somewhere inside the #CCP. #China is unstable.
Ragnarok
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Even if he did, if this is true, no info will be coming out. Under pain of death.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
Diana!
energy_wave
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I saw Annie at the Shubert Theater in Chicago back in 1979 and had a Wimpy's burger next door right after.
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George Soros says Xi could be toppled
Washington | Chinese President Xi Jinping could be replaced once his economic and COVID-19 control policies prove to be a failure following the Winter Olympics, billionaire George Soros says.Mr Soros, the retired hedge fund manager who has long warned groups such as BlackRock against investing in China because of its authoritarian regime, likened the upcoming Winter Olympic Games to a Nazi Germany propaganda stunt.
George Soros says China is the greatest threat to open societies around the world. Bloomberg
“Like Germany in 1936, [China] will attempt to use the spectacle to score a propaganda victory for its system of strict controls,” Mr Soros told think tank Hoover Institution’s forum on China on Monday (Tuesday AEDT).
But the striking prediction from the 91-year-old, who maintains China is the greatest threat to open societies in the world, is that the Xi regime could be replaced this year as his economy and pandemic responses fail.
“Xi Jinping has many enemies. Although nobody can oppose him publicly because he controls all the levers of power, there is a fight brewing within the CCP that is so sharp that it has found expression in various party publications,” Mr Soros said.
“Xi is under attack from those who are inspired by Deng Xiaoping’s ideas and want to see a greater role for private enterprise.”
Xi elevated to same status as Mao
Mr Soros’ comments run counter to the widely held view that Mr Xi will win an unprecedented third five-year term as leader later this year.A meeting of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officials in November endorsed his official re-examination of the country’s modern history, which elevates his achievements to the same status as those of revolutionary founder Mao Zedong.
Mr Xi has also silenced most detractors, which means public criticism of his policies is rare. However, experts say there is no way to read exactly what is going on at the party’s top levels.
Mr Soros cast doubt on the elevation of Mr Xi’s status.
“Given the strong opposition within the CCP (Chinese Communist Party), Xi Jinping’s carefully choreographed elevation to the level of Mao Zedong and [successor] Deng Xiaoping may never occur,” he said.
“It is to be hoped that Xi Jinping may be replaced by someone less repressive at home and more peaceful abroad. This would remove the greatest threat that open societies face today, and they should do everything within their power to encourage China to move in the desired direction.”
Mr Soros’ speech is just his latest against the Chinese leader. Last year he warned several times against closer economic ties with the world’s No. 2 economy, as the Chinese government tightens its grip on the private sector.
Mr Soros praised efforts by Western leaders such as US President Joe Biden, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Prime Minister Scott Morrison to counter China’s increased military and economic aggression.
“Biden has made it clear to Xi Jinping that if he uses force against Taiwan, China will have to confront not only the US but a larger alliance composed of the AUKUS, that is Australia, United Kingdom and the US and the QUAD that is US, Japan, Australia and India, together with a number of other potential allies,” Mr Soros told the forum.
“War between the US and its enemies has become more plausible and that is not a pleasant subject to contemplate.”
Mr Soros’ prediction of a regime change is predicated on the ultimate mismanagement of COVID-19 and tightening controls on the population. The potential for a massive property sector collapse that infects the entire economy will expose Mr Xi’s flaws in governance, he said.
The real estate crisis, characterised by huge debt and triggered by the failure of real estate company Evergrande, could be felt more abruptly in the second quarter of this year, Mr Soros predicted.
“China is facing an economic crisis centred on the real estate market. The model on which the real estate boom is based is unsustainable. In my opinion, the second quarter of 2022 will show whether [Xi] has succeeded. The current situation doesn’t look promising for Xi.”
He pointed to Evergrande subcontractors who did not get paid and who then stopped working, and how people who had bought apartments started to worry that they might never receive the homes they were paying for.
China’s adherence to a zero-case virus strategy that has led to harsh lockdowns for millions of people could also prove to be Mr Xi’s undoing.
George Soros says Xi could be toppled
The billionaire investor believes China is the greatest threat to open societies and says it could suffer an economic crisis in the second quarter of this year.
Crusty Echo 7
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I SAW what you did there. "THEY LIVE!!"
Ragnarok
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The original "V" TV series from the 80's...
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High-ranking cadres sentenced to severe punishment for corruption in #China An anti corruption drive to boost Xi's credentials before the Party Congress & a warning to opponents No coup or serious power struggle. Just a typical purge to consolidate power https://taz.de/Saeuberungswel
2) The people arrested are not big shots, so at this point there is no evidence of any serious challenge to Xi's position. Some people made this bigger than what it is with coup rumors, etc, but there is no evidence at this point for anything of that nature.
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All good abject pandemonium threads end up fizzling like a wet firecracker.
Oh, look !! A squirrel !!
Oh, look !! A squirrel !!
bracketquant
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Squirrrel in '23
It's what's for dinner.
It's what's for dinner.
Samuel Adams
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Quite possibly.
Then I won’t have to fight them for the walnuts.
Then I won’t have to fight them for the walnuts.
bracketquant
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You also have a secret grove of black walnuts?
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Tristan
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jward
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careful boi, no false advertising here. I told you it was UNUSUAL activity with many RUMOURS swirling and that is exactly what it proved to beAll good abject pandemonium threads end up fizzling like a wet firecracker.
Oh, look !! A squirrel !!
Tristan
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Other than Aliens, what would that list include in your estimation?
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George Soros says China is the greatest threat to open societies around the world. BloombergGeorge Soros says Xi could be toppled
Washington | Chinese President Xi Jinping could be replaced once his economic and COVID-19 control policies prove to be a failure following the Winter Olympics, billionaire George Soros says.
Mr Soros, the retired hedge fund manager who has long warned groups such as BlackRock against investing in China because of its authoritarian regime, likened the upcoming Winter Olympic Games to a Nazi Germany propaganda stunt.
George Soros says China is the greatest threat to open societies around the world. Bloomberg
“Like Germany in 1936, [China] will attempt to use the spectacle to score a propaganda victory for its system of strict controls,” Mr Soros told think tank Hoover Institution’s forum on China on Monday (Tuesday AEDT).
But the striking prediction from the 91-year-old, who maintains China is the greatest threat to open societies in the world, is that the Xi regime could be replaced this year as his economy and pandemic responses fail.
“Xi Jinping has many enemies. Although nobody can oppose him publicly because he controls all the levers of power, there is a fight brewing within the CCP that is so sharp that it has found expression in various party publications,” Mr Soros said.
“Xi is under attack from those who are inspired by Deng Xiaoping’s ideas and want to see a greater role for private enterprise.”
Xi elevated to same status as Mao
Mr Soros’ comments run counter to the widely held view that Mr Xi will win an unprecedented third five-year term as leader later this year.
A meeting of Chinese Communist Party (CCP) officials in November endorsed his official re-examination of the country’s modern history, which elevates his achievements to the same status as those of revolutionary founder Mao Zedong.
Mr Xi has also silenced most detractors, which means public criticism of his policies is rare. However, experts say there is no way to read exactly what is going on at the party’s top levels.
Mr Soros cast doubt on the elevation of Mr Xi’s status.
“Given the strong opposition within the CCP (Chinese Communist Party), Xi Jinping’s carefully choreographed elevation to the level of Mao Zedong and [successor] Deng Xiaoping may never occur,” he said.
“It is to be hoped that Xi Jinping may be replaced by someone less repressive at home and more peaceful abroad. This would remove the greatest threat that open societies face today, and they should do everything within their power to encourage China to move in the desired direction.”
Mr Soros’ speech is just his latest against the Chinese leader. Last year he warned several times against closer economic ties with the world’s No. 2 economy, as the Chinese government tightens its grip on the private sector.
Mr Soros praised efforts by Western leaders such as US President Joe Biden, UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Prime Minister Scott Morrison to counter China’s increased military and economic aggression.
“Biden has made it clear to Xi Jinping that if he uses force against Taiwan, China will have to confront not only the US but a larger alliance composed of the AUKUS, that is Australia, United Kingdom and the US and the QUAD that is US, Japan, Australia and India, together with a number of other potential allies,” Mr Soros told the forum.
“War between the US and its enemies has become more plausible and that is not a pleasant subject to contemplate.”
Mr Soros’ prediction of a regime change is predicated on the ultimate mismanagement of COVID-19 and tightening controls on the population. The potential for a massive property sector collapse that infects the entire economy will expose Mr Xi’s flaws in governance, he said.
The real estate crisis, characterised by huge debt and triggered by the failure of real estate company Evergrande, could be felt more abruptly in the second quarter of this year, Mr Soros predicted.
“China is facing an economic crisis centred on the real estate market. The model on which the real estate boom is based is unsustainable. In my opinion, the second quarter of 2022 will show whether [Xi] has succeeded. The current situation doesn’t look promising for Xi.”
He pointed to Evergrande subcontractors who did not get paid and who then stopped working, and how people who had bought apartments started to worry that they might never receive the homes they were paying for.
China’s adherence to a zero-case virus strategy that has led to harsh lockdowns for millions of people could also prove to be Mr Xi’s undoing.
George Soros says Xi could be toppled
The billionaire investor believes China is the greatest threat to open societies and says it could suffer an economic crisis in the second quarter of this year.www.afr.com
Looks like Georgie-porgie has something in common with China: being the greatest threat to open societies.
Countrymouse
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I see he does have a number of interesting sources and a very good video that I'm watching right now, but it all got moved to Alt. Video is about Russia, though, not China---
Russia Now To Call Up I million 200 thousand Troops Nukes Are Meant For Us....
Samuel Adams
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Oh, no offense meant toward you, J…..the thread did take on a life of its own, before fizzling…..and that life completely out of the hands and bounds of the OP.
As they all do.
Walrus Whisperer
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I can see how sore azz can be against china.....
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It was interpreted from a Taz article I will not post the link.
It was the exact opposite of a coup:
“High-ranking cadres are sentenced to severe punishment for corruption. A warning to political opponents, a few weeks before the party congress.
The biggest wave of purges within China's power apparatus in recent years came to a spectacular end on Friday: Sun Lijun, former Deputy Minister of Public Security, was sentenced to death, with the sentence suspended for two years and then commuted to life imprisonment target.”
…Sun is accused of having formed an opposition “clique” as the leading head, which has positioned itself against state & party leader Xi Jinping. Former Minister of Justice Fu Zhenghua, who was also sentenced to life imprisonment for corruption on Thursday, is said to have belonged to the political clique.
…the police chiefs of Shanghai, Chongqing and Shanxi, who were sentenced to long prison terms this week…six leading cadres from the Chinese security apparatus were hit”
It was interpreted from a Taz article I will not post the link.
It was the exact opposite of a coup:
“High-ranking cadres are sentenced to severe punishment for corruption. A warning to political opponents, a few weeks before the party congress.
The biggest wave of purges within China's power apparatus in recent years came to a spectacular end on Friday: Sun Lijun, former Deputy Minister of Public Security, was sentenced to death, with the sentence suspended for two years and then commuted to life imprisonment target.”
…Sun is accused of having formed an opposition “clique” as the leading head, which has positioned itself against state & party leader Xi Jinping. Former Minister of Justice Fu Zhenghua, who was also sentenced to life imprisonment for corruption on Thursday, is said to have belonged to the political clique.
…the police chiefs of Shanghai, Chongqing and Shanxi, who were sentenced to long prison terms this week…six leading cadres from the Chinese security apparatus were hit”
Marthanoir
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So far, its gray, looks like it might rain, cloudy with a chance of canned sunshine.
ChicagoMan74
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Well...no ICBM's flying tonite then...great...cuz I paid the mortgage payment a little early this month.
It looks like it could possibly be a goiter? Otherwise, just an artifact of light and shadow.
Summerthyme
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Omg my mom worked here in the early 60s! She has a few backstage pictures of Florence Henderson playing in the Sound of Music!I saw Annie at the Shubert Theater in Chicago back in 1979 and had a Wimpy's burger next door right after.
bracketquant
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Your premise is almost belize-able.And then Taiwan helps Panama take the US ?!!!!
Sorry.
Couldn’t resist.
Blacknarwhal
Let's Go Brandon!
So is this the thing the Germans said was coming when we'd all remember where we were? Or is that still coming today?
Or has it been delayed to Rosh Hashanah proper? Or maybe Yom Kippur?
So easy to get turned around with all these possibilities.
Or has it been delayed to Rosh Hashanah proper? Or maybe Yom Kippur?
So easy to get turned around with all these possibilities.
