ECON Shutdown of 29 Western Ports; BDI 559 lowest eevvver; US steelworkers shut refineries

Be Well

may all be well
Well, of course it sucks but that's just the way it is. We did this to ourselves, the consumer.

I beg to disagree. The giant corporations decided to move operations to third world countries, especially China, for cheap labor and no regulations. We, the consumers, were forced willy nilly to buy cheap toxic disposable crap, while millions of jobs were lost. We have had NO CHOICE. Many people, so many I talk to, loathe and hate the cheap chinese crap and would much rather pay a bit more for real stuff made in the US of good quality.

We were forced into this by the elites.
 

SAPPHIRE

Veteran Member
I find it interesting as to the timing of all these announcements.....many of us have no idea/had no idea of all the port litigation/wrangling/arm wrenching/etc.........we just aren't connected to any in the industry and thanks for all inside info.......but.......with explosions allegedly over Donetsk, Putin warning off EU/NATO/OBAMANATION.........I wonder if these slow downs are being instigated at this crucial time in order to empty the ports before any nuke exchange.........hope this is not the case nor will be..........but so many weird events going on....it's hard to decipher.........
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
I beg to disagree. The giant corporations decided to move operations to third world countries, especially China, for cheap labor and no regulations. We, the consumers, were forced willy nilly to buy cheap toxic disposable crap, while millions of jobs were lost. We have had NO CHOICE. Many people, so many I talk to, loathe and hate the cheap chinese crap and would much rather pay a bit more for real stuff made in the US of good quality.

We were forced into this by the elites.

No one can force you to buy anything - except for Obamacare. We do have choices. Either you choose not to purchase the Chinacrap, or you enjoy the cheap crap and ignore who and how it was made. No one is forcing you, we gladly open up our wallets and buy it. Not many are willing to stop buying it either.
 

Be Well

may all be well
No one can force you to buy anything - except for Obamacare. We do have choices. Either you choose not to purchase the Chinacrap, or you enjoy the cheap crap and ignore who and how it was made. No one is forcing you, we gladly open up our wallets and buy it. Not many are willing to stop buying it either.

Hmm, I guess you don't shop much. Or you can get along without things like light bulbs, laptops, plumbing parts, etc.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Essentially this story is saying the Port of Portland MAY open again today, not that it WILL open ("expecting" and "hope" being key words). But in any case, Portland is a pissant little port compared to California and Puget Sound ports. Portland is a hair's breadth away from losing its last major shipping company since the port has been having ongoing labor issues for many years now. Probably the only way Portland keeps Hanjin is because the city keeps giving them additional massive financial breaks every time they threaten to go elsewhere.

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Port of Portland container terminal open for business again after weekend halt

by Molly Harbarger
The Oregonian/OregonLive
February 9, 2015

The Port of Portland is expecting Terminal 6 to be back in business Monday, after a weekend halt.

The Pacific Maritime Association, which represents West Coast port operators, told longshore workers that they were closing 26 ports on Saturday and Sunday. That included the Port of Portland, whose operator is ICTSI.

"It's our hope that we'll see normal business operations resume today without any disruptions," said Port of Portland spokesman Josh Thomas.

Port officials are prepared for a lockout or strike, though, as labor negotiations continue. The Pacific Maritime Association announced an offer for a new contract that includes 3 percent annual raises over five years.

According to the association, the average dock worker makes $147,000 per year in salary, $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care and an annual pension of $80,000. The association's offer would raise the pension by 11 percent.

International Longshore and Warehouse Union officials say they are close to a new contract agreement.

On Friday, a Hanjin Copenhagen container ship sat at the terminal, waiting to be unloaded. Longshore workers said they were not moving containers off it because they were demonstrating a grievance over several incidents at the terminal.

Then, the workers were sent home for the weekend.

Hanjin comprises the majority of Terminal 6's business. In the last few weeks, two ships rerouted to the Seattle and Tacoma ports because slow work in Portland would have kept the ships waiting too long.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/...of_portland_container_ter_1.html#incart_river

Yeah, that's Portland. My home port of Los Angeles & Long Beach have been too compliant over the years with my 30+ to compare fair and responsible to. We pump in The Twin Ports. Getting re' done.

Had it been my call, if you mess with the ships, we'll make the rail jobs one day/night only. I would let them keep the steadies on the rail, however I would have made the other 50% of the weekly hall rail people, a one night dispatch only. Just that slight disruption will cut the coveted rail schedules. Perfectly legal, and not a walk-out on the unions part.

My next move would include liability issues of safety that the employer, the harbor department, and CAL-OSHA FED-OSHA could decide as to who will harnesses the legal responsibility of daily violations if push comes to shove.

I've mentioned before, the nature of our industry is to 'get 'er done & go.' The carrot of production for the employer has always been getting more done in less time. Vessel Captains love to be ahead of schedule, and the combined efforts on both sides of The Pacific cut down the time factor of Port Rotation.

Personally, I prefer to work harmoniously because I know for a fact chaos kills.

Attitude-Aptitude-Application-Production

Let's go back to work.
 
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L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I find it interesting as to the timing of all these announcements.....many of us have no idea/had no idea of all the port litigation/wrangling/arm wrenching/etc.........we just aren't connected to any in the industry and thanks for all inside info.......but.......with explosions allegedly over Donetsk, Putin warning off EU/NATO/OBAMANATION.........I wonder if these slow downs are being instigated at this crucial time in order to empty the ports before any nuke exchange.........hope this is not the case nor will be..........but so many weird events going on....it's hard to decipher.........

SAPPHIRE, believe it or not that crazy thought crossed my mind.... And then it passed as quickly as it appeared. Not to destroy the Ports, but a consolidation of power after an emergency of some sort there within.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
I was thinking similarly that the confluence of so many events almost screams that they are being directly coordinated.

It could also be that God is fed up with being mocked. Read the book of Habakkuk for a parallel situation.
 

end game

Veteran Member
If there are shortages how bad will it be. And by the way it sux when you rely on imports instead of manufacturing your own goods. :whistle:

Sucks when every regulating agency wants to find something wrong with your business when you manufacture goods. Been there and done that. Also, good luck to your manufacturing base in Seattle with your new $15 an hour wage law.
 

end game

Veteran Member
Yeah, that's Portland. My home port of Los Angeles & Long Beach have been too compliant over the years with my 30+ to compare fair and responsible to. We pump in The Twin Ports. Getting re' done.

Had it been my call, if you mess with the ships, we'll make the rail jobs one day/night only. I would let them keep the steadies on the rail, however I would have made the other 50% of the weekly hall rail people, a one night dispatch only. Just that slight disruption will cut the coveted rail schedules. Perfectly legal, and not a walk-out on the unions part.

My next move would include liability issues of safety that the employer, the harbor department, and CAL-OSHA FED-OSHA could decide as to who will harnesses the legal responsibility of daily violations if push comes to shove.

I've mentioned before, the nature of our industry is to 'get 'er done & go.' The carrot of production for the employer has always been getting more done in less time. Vessel Captains love to be ahead of schedule, and the combined efforts on both sides of The Pacific cut down the time factor of Port Rotation.

Personally, I prefer to work harmoniously because I know for a fact chaos kills.

Attitude-Aptitude-Application-Production

Let's go back to work.

Paying almost double to transit the canal ending up in NYC after finding all of the other ports from the canal booked for months. Last straw for me, I'm done with coming up with solutions to other people's problems.
 

end game

Veteran Member
I beg to disagree. The giant corporations decided to move operations to third world countries, especially China, for cheap labor and no regulations. We, the consumers, were forced willy nilly to buy cheap toxic disposable crap, while millions of jobs were lost. We have had NO CHOICE. Many people, so many I talk to, loathe and hate the cheap chinese crap and would much rather pay a bit more for real stuff made in the US of good quality.

We were forced into this by the elites.

Uh, no. Gov't through fines, fees, and regulation forced the business no matter of size to either continue or close.

I built stuff here and guess what I heard all the time?
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
Hmm, I guess you don't shop much. Or you can get along without things like light bulbs, laptops, plumbing parts, etc.

Contrary, I shop a lot. I'm also a prepper. I like to shop in stores like Big Lots, Wal Mart, any where I can get a bargain. My little Tracphone was probably made in China with cheap labor. I buy my tennis shoes at Big five and they're made in China as well. WalMart is a big corporation and I support them as well as Big 5. NO ONE IS FORCING ME TO GO INTO THOSE STORES! I buy whatever I need regardless of where it came from. Yes, I'm one of those who believe in free enterprise, free to spend my money wherever. If I get ticked at a place of business I don't give them my business. Basic and simple.
 

end game

Veteran Member
Contrary, I shop a lot. I'm also a prepper. I like to shop in stores like Big Lots, Wal Mart, any where I can get a bargain. My little Tracphone was probably made in China with cheap labor. I buy my tennis shoes at Big five and they're made in China as well. WalMart is a big corporation and I support them as well as Big 5. NO ONE IS FORCING ME TO GO INTO THOSE STORES! I buy whatever I need regardless of where it came from. Yes, I'm one of those who believe in free enterprise, free to spend my money wherever. If I get ticked at a place of business I don't give them my business. Basic and simple.

Talk about not buying china crap and then wax poetically about buying china crap. Then admit you want a bargain but want others to buy the higher USA made items.

Oh by the way the cellphone was made in China and the duty on cellphones coming in the country is 0%. Wonder how that feat was accomplished?
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Would you say that if indeed the union is working at 1/2 speed that those workers need to be fired?

Or at the very least be paid 1/2 of their wages?

In The Port of Los Angeles & Long Beach I can tell you what full speed is. I can tell you what half speed is because I can divide by two; but not because I have to agree with someone who parroted a sociopath CEO liar.

I can honestly tell you in 30 years down here I have only seen one speed; everyone's best performance. They even called our group "The new breed" when we broke in the industry in the early 80's. We earned that nickname because we took this job very serious. The competition for my job was about 22,000 applicants over four years for 25 jobs. Going to school 6 days and 4 nights a week for two years, and then taking a full time job while a casual longshoremen and following all the timely hoops required helped secure my position in hiring.

Since my introduction to the industry I have worked almost every job available to me. My perspective covers a wide field of experience. I'm not only paid to see smoke in an operation and put out those virtual fires; I know where the friction will occur ahead of time and eliminate the problem. Yet management maintains a castle under siege type of mentality, ignoring their long vetted assets and seems very content to plod along into the logistical abyss... Oh well?

If your referring to half pay for half performance that sounds like a Gulf Coast operation to me. We didn't become the backbone of cargo handling in CONUS because we put out a mere 50% effort. The employer's playing with technology and not maintaining their fleet of intermodal chassis is what has kept us from only moving 4% more cargo in 2014 than 2013 if you were aware of that?

Coulter, were you aware that I mentioned in earlier threads most posted terminal speed limits are 10 or 15 MPH and most longshore truck drivers drive two to 2.5 or 3 times that speed limit. Should they be paid twice as much for doing that?. Oh... I think your getting up to speEd on the nature of the give --> and <-- take inherit in the industry and the onerous of liability placed upon the shoulders of those longshore men who speed 99.9% of the time for the incentive of going home a bit early or finishing the ship.

Anything else?
 
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L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
If the drop in BSI was just one season, why the long multi year decline in the index? In 2014, I knew the retailers Christmas season would be down. You know how I knew? I watched the BSI (Baltic Shipping Index)for the previous two months of Dec 25th. When imports of Christmas items should have caused the BSI to rise, it didn't. And low and behold, it was announced how poor the Christmas 2014 sales were. Maybe it was off season lol.

From what I understand about the Baltic Dry Index it has to do with raw product being shipped that will be (in the supply line) for goods that will be produced over 16 to 18 months. John Galt may have a better handle on that concept / theory than I.

In 2008 when we had our fiscal downturn I could see it on the waterline of the vessels as they approached Los Angeles Harbor from sea. When a ship sits high in the water yet has a full container 5 to 6 high profile on deck; then she's coming in light with cheap plastic junk. If she sits low to her watermark with a low profile of on deck containers 3 or 4 high, then the product is longer term durable machines big electronics etc.

That was my BDI type real-time observation of the economy in that timeframe.
 

R.Tist

Membership Revoked
I'd just like to thank you all for upgrading my education. Prior to this thread, I knew comparatively little about any of this. The 'flow' (transportation) of goods, I understood, but I didn't know much about the docking situation.

Cheers,


RT.
 

LarrytheCableGuy

Contributing Member
From what I understand about the Baltic Dry Index it has to do with raw product being shipped that will be (in the supply line) for goods that will be produced over 16 to 18 months. John Galt may have a better handle on that concept / theory than I.

In 2008 when we had our fiscal downturn I could see it on the waterline of the vessels as they approached Los Angeles Harbor from sea. When a ship sits high in the water yet has a full container 5 to 6 high profile on deck; then she's coming in light with cheap plastic junk. If she sits low to her watermark with a low profile of on deck containers 3 or 4 high, then the product is longer term durable machines big electronics etc.

That was my BDI type real-time observation of the economy in that timeframe.

Very interesting observation. I have kind of the same type of system that actually correlates quite well to the economy.

I live close to a major Ford truck stamping plant. From that plant comes basic frame assemblies for pickups and small trucks shipped on flatbed train cars.. One train flat car can hold 10 frames. The train always comes by in the morning at the same time so I would count the number of flatbed cars with frames on them. In 2008, the number of frame cars was as low as 1 or 2 (meaning very little demand or production). As the economy picked up, the number of frame cars increased. We were as high as 10 frame cars a day but we are back down to 3 - 4 frame cars currently.

This is a much better indicator for me of the actual health of the economy. YMMV. :bhmo:

btw, what are the ships telling you now??
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/289...-but-bulls-should-note-these-as-unusual?ifp=0

LTC Guy your message and this news is 1+1= investing to me!! Not good


Yeah Larry, like in Jan 2001 when 1+1 GOLD could be had for $268 and possible possibly ten dollars cheaper per oz. Oh wait... That's not to say you would actually have sold in September 2011 at $1,921. Why was it so low. most people were still wading in the leaky pool of mutual funds and dot.stocks in 2000/2001. 1,921 divided by 268 = a lot or more. Sometimes the flux of the economy pitching high and falling low is just that simple as to not be confused byeXpurts.

Another indicator in early 2000/2001 timeframe was when my bank of CON US hung a Piñata in the lobby. Using that signal, and the fact that bankruptcy laws had changed the year earlier; I believed I saw what would be a cause and effect in the housing market 7 trend cycle years later. Allowing my Gardner and three of his cousins a half-million dollar loan without understanding the terms is piracy and bad math for the economy and 2008.

As a results of my observations in 2001, I remodeled my childhood home and put it on the market as a nice first time buyers home. Trends do poP up to catch the eye of the simple investor.

Sometimes it's that easy. You guy's are probably not ready for my theorem for tracking the economy based on the wake of a container ship.



Hey, I was only kidding about the wake.
 
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2x2

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More Port news here.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...pute-ilwu-port-maritime-association/23124947/

SAN FRANCISCO — Chinese New Year is next Thursday, but the celery, broccoli and lettuce Chuck Schreiber sent off to Asia weeks ago will never make it in time.

"It's a huge market for us, about 20% of production. But we can't get it there" because of the labor slowdown at West Coast ports, said Schreiber, the international sales director for Tanimura & Antle, a Salinas, Calif., vegetable grower and shipper.

The 14-week labor dispute between operators of the 29 West Coast port terminals and the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU), which has brought a worker slowdown, is stacking up ships and cargo containers from San Diego to Seattle, leaving produce to wilt and frustrating customers worldwide.

Shipping times through some ports have doubled and even tripled, said Chris Christopher, a transportation analyst with IHS Insight in Lexington, Mass.


Broccoli picked and packed for export to Japan. Produce
Broccoli picked and packed for export to Japan. Produce exports have been affected by the January and February slowdown on West coast ports. (Photo: Chuck Shreiber, Saca Trading)


The port of Los Angeles opened haltingly on Monday after the weekend shutdown of the 29 West Coast port terminals by the Pacific Maritime Association (PMA), representing port operators. By about 9 a.m., the cranes were seen taking containers off some of the ships. By 10, a Greek tanker had arrived. But many ships still were offshore.

Adan Ortega, spokesman for Local 13 of the ILWU, charges that ship and terminal operators have been deliberately slowing down the work in order to make fatter profits. He says they are ordering only a third of the normal workforce to unload ships.

"They are expecting 45 workers to do the work of 120," he said. "They created this situation."

And he says there is no backup at the ports — that operators are creating the "illusion of congestion."

The port operators say the backup is real — and is the result of the worker slowdown.

"Since Nov. 3 at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach, the union has refused to dispatch skilled workers who operate yard cranes," said Steve Getzug, spokesman for the PMA. Only one-third of the normal crane operators are being sent, he said. Without them, ports can't move containers that have come off ships from the yard to trains and trucks — backing up the entire process.

"It is akin to sending out a football team without its quarterback," said Getzug. "You need the whole team to make it work."

Schreiber's is one of thousands of U.S. businesses dealing with the fallout. He used to harvest on Thursday so produce could be trucked to Oakland or Long Beach for Friday sailings.

"Now you get your stuff there on Tuesday, and then comes Saturday and they send out a note saying your goods aren't going out because the vessel is sitting in the harbor because there aren't enough people to unload it so it can be refilled," he said.

"Our customers are now asking for air shipment, because a lot of the vessels that were planning on being there for Chinese New Year didn't make it," he said. His company will end up paying the extra transportation charges.​

The slowdown also is affecting beef and pork producers, said Tyson Foods CEO Donnie Smith. About 25% of U.S. pork is exported, much of it to Asia, he said.

The American Meat Institute estimates $30 million a week in losses to meat and poultry producers from the port dispute.

The contract of the ILWU, which represents dock workers on the West Coast, expired on June 30. Since then, talks between the ILWU and PMA have been ongoing. A sticking point has been over tractor-trailer chassis used to move cargo containers once they get to port.

Until last year, the chassis were owned by the shipping lines and, under union agreements, longshoremen had the job of inspecting them. But now at West Coast ports, as at most ports worldwide, truckers own or lease the chassis and outsource inspection.

The ILWU wants ports to require that union members inspect chassis before truckers can come onto port property, reported the Journal of Commerce shipping trade magazine. The shipping lines say because they no longer own the chassis, they can't make that demand.

Another issue in negotiations has been automation, where U.S. ports lag significantly.

"Most ports around the world have significantly more automation than the U.S. ports do. In the developed world, I'd say that every port is more automated than we are," said Peter Friedmann, director of the Agriculture Transportation Coalition.

The union has argued that it should control any new jobs created by machines and has limited the installation of automated cranes and other equipment common elsewhere.

Asked about the Longshoreman's wages, among the best for blue-collar workers, at an annual average $142,000, spokesman Ortega said that pay is what it takes for a middle-class life.

The biggest fear is that the ongoing dispute will lead to a full-fledged union strike or owner lockout that shuts the ports. That happened for 10 days in 2002, resulting in millions of dollars of losses, and ended only when President George W. Bush invoked the Taft-Hartley labor relations law to get the ports running again.

If it gets to that this time, predicts Christopher of IHS, "the White House will step in."
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
"The ILWU wants ports to require that union members inspect chassis before truckers can come onto port property, reported the Journal of Commerce shipping trade magazine. The shipping lines say because they no longer own the chassis, they can't make that demand."

Somebody let the new guy at The PMA know 'You can't Play Intermodal Shipping without Intermodal Chassis. THIS WAS REASON NUMBER ONE FOR FORMER PORT CONGESTION! Now our yards are less than half full while the employer continues to tell John Q. Public we have congestion and slow production! The truth is your economy is at anchor just outside the L.A Lighthouse and South down the coast. The PMA decided to do thus to you not The ILWU.

As we say in the industry... 'What a load of dunnage.'

You cannot move cargo off the terminals without a chassis unless a trucker comes on with his own. The employers are carving their way out of the industry with an alternative reality in lieu of the real one.

The middle men sub-contractors who run the yard side of a ship operation make money on containers that sit on terminal for extended periods of time with demurrage fines. So you might see who benefits by congestion and backlogs. Would they be so inclined as to allow this to take place without immediate remedy. In all probability the tint of our Rose Colored Glasses tints our perception and judgement. I bet the press hasn't really dug deep enough to understand the angles that are played to maximum benefits by party or parties to any portion of the industry.

You do remember in one of my earlier post a co-worker came across / overheard those same middlemen (on import booking side of the operation) advising clients as early as June that they could pay extra fees to expedite cargo before port unrest.

This Summer and Fall we unloaded vessels so quickly we had the yards stuffed. The employers antiquated machines and strategy and tactics for delivery remain very 1960 mindset; yet at the sometime they attempt to employ a Castle Tower Siege Mentality of control through poorly written software and RFI technology that s l o w 's t h e o p e r a t I o n down!

It's real easy for those Corporate Cargo Constrictors to squeeze the clients dollars and at the same time while $upporting their PR campaign agenda against the people who made their empires. Simple scenarios are cartoonish in presentation. If folks want to look at this like a short skit in a Charlie Brown comic strip... Then LOL and have fun! As for my participation, the industry will never recoup my former Virgo work ethic...




Until the next Company fish and steak barbecue on mesquite coals on the high line on the waterfront. :D
 
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2x2

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Thought that issue was settled on Jan 27th.?? No dog in this hunt, just wondering.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/contr...-223718457.html;_ylt=AwrBEiICW9pUEE0AiwCTmYlQ


Contract talks for U.S. West Coast ports clear major hurdle

January 27, 2015 5:37 PM


1. U.S. West Coast port operations resume with more labor talks scheduled Reuters
2. U.S. West Coast shippers invoke specter of port shutdowns Reuters
3. Shippers suspend weekend cargo loading at U.S. West Coast ports Reuters
4. West Coast Port Operators Suspend Weekend Cargo Amid Slowdowns Bloomberg
5. Shippers shut down West Coast ports for weekend CNBC

By Steve Gorman

LOS ANGELES, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Negotiators for major shipping lines and the union representing 20,000 dockworkers have reached a tentative agreement on the maintenance of cargo chassis, overcoming a key hurdle in protracted contract talks for 29 U.S. West Coast ports.

Settlement of the chassis issue, and the labor talks in general, has been seen as crucial to resolving months of chronic cargo backups hampering ports that handle nearly half of U.S. maritime trade and more than 70 percent of imports from Asia.

"A tentative agreement was reached on the chassis topic, and we are hopeful that this will allow us to move toward conclusion of a full agreement in the near term," Wade Gates, spokesman for the Pacific Maritime Association, said on Tuesday. The group is the bargaining agent for shipping companies and terminal operators in the federally mediated talks.

The International Longshore and Warehouse Union did not comment publicly. But a union source familiar with the status of the talks confirmed that a preliminary deal was reached earlier in the week governing maintenance, repairs and inspection of cargo chassis.





The companies have accused the union of instigating work slowdowns at several ports to gain leverage at the bargaining table. Cargo that normally takes two or three days to clear the ports has faced lag times of up to two weeks, with productivity at some waterfronts cut by at least half, industry analysts say.

The union, which denies causing the bottle-necks, has countered that the shippers themselves are largely to blame for business decisions that have disrupted port operations.

Chief among these have been shortages of tractor-trailer chassis used for hauling cargo from ports to warehouses, a result of outsourcing by shippers to third-party leasing companies. Officials of the ports themselves also have cited chassis distribution problems as a major factor in the gridlock.

Among the ports hit hardest have been Los Angeles and Long Beach, the two busiest U.S. container cargo hubs, as well as Oakland and Seattle-Tacoma. Industry officials have reported prolonged delays in shipments of products ranging from apparel and toys to agricultural produce.
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
Port of Portland's biggest customer, Hanjin, notifies shippers it might drop Terminal 6

Port of Portland's biggest customer, Hanjin, notifies shippers it might drop Terminal 6
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2015/02/port_of_portlands_biggest_cust.html

A docking schedule from Hanjin Shipping Co. shows that the Portland of Portland's biggest marine customer might soon stop sending ships to Terminal 6.

Hanjin carries cargo for four companies: Evergreen, "K" Lines, Yang Ming and Cosco. A Hanjin executive recently sent notice of a new tentative long-range schedule to notify each of them that the ships will no longer pick up cargo to deliver in Portland, according to documents obtained by The Oregonian/OregonLive. The last ship on the new schedule bound for Portland is scheduled to arrive March 4.

Korea-based Hanjin already announced that some boats would skip Portland and unload cargo in Seattle even before March 4. But, a total drop means Hanjin won't take on cargo from Asia meant for the Port of Portland -- or Portland-loaded cargo meant for Asia.
50% rule
Hanjin is the Port of Portland container terminal's biggest customer, comprising 65 to 80 percent of the ships that do business at the terminal. It is also the ninth-largest shipping company in the world.
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Hanjin's long-range schedule

Hanjin did not officially respond for comment. Shippers say the company is not responding to their calls to confirm or deny the change, either.

Hapag-Lloyd, a German company, makes up about 25 percent of Terminal 6's business. Westwood Shipping is the third-largest Port of Portland customer, but sends few ships.
 
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L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
LAST NIGHT I volunteered to work at one of our shipping mega-terminals where they decided to employ their semi-automated information systems again. The performance of delivering containers to truckers was horrible insufficient as it was between 4:1 to 5:1 slower than last week where we proactively verified and delivered cargo without that technology.


Momma used to say, you can lead a horse to water, but you'll never teach em how to put your wader's on for how high the B-S is pooling.

Now, in regards to the Hanjin post above mine here.

Tell Hanjin to bring their cargo South as soon as the the current CEO is removed. LA/LB knows the cadence of this industry very well!

I remember the day many many years ago when a Superintendent subcontracted by Hanjin accused me of a slowdown because I was not at my 'anticipated' point of work. I was gone 8 minutes; I know because I timed myself with my chronograph watch. My goal in my timeframe was to save the middleman terminal contractor for Hanjin the 70 (seventy) plus moves of bottleneck 'set aside cargo' that there was no place to move to the next day on Monday.

All we needed was a security seal number off the back doors of the stacked four high shipping container where the seal was located about 33 feet above the asphalt. I climbed freehand over three and a half high-cube containers at 9'6" each to balance my upper body with one hand and pen the seal number on my other.

A in house trucker came in and called his dispatcher and said the longshoreman was nowhere to be found. My Superintendent who worked 5 day weeks while I worked 13 out of 14 days from 07:00 to 17:00 pinned me metaphorically that Monday accusing me of a slow-down for my 8 minute adventure saving his $+upid @$$ over 70 moves and almost a full two hours of Top Handler moves, redirected traffic confusion, and lost-time-opportunity.

Twice I told him what happened, neither time did it penetrate his jaded skull.

I wasn't going to defend my position with a 3 testimony. I provided him the destiny he begged for. That day I quit and didn't take another steady job for 15 years.

The pumpkin head had to replace me with three other union people. The industry does not respect it's real assets, time, or your dollar.


Freehand climbing was a hobby of mine at the time. I began climbing at age four to 'overcome my mom's height phobia I guess LOL.
 
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2x2

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Like I said; I have no dog in this hunt, But,,, It sure seems like "somebody", loves knocking prosperity. :confused:
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
2x2 Your article is dated Jan 27th, almost 2 weeks ago. I suspect things have changed with the continual drop in oil prices. The above article goes on to say that they, the


Portland bunch, did not return back to work this Monday.
 

2x2

Inactive
2x2 Your article is dated Jan 27th, almost 2 weeks ago. I suspect things have changed with the continual drop in oil prices. The above article goes on to say that they, the


Portland bunch, did not return back to work this Monday.

I was wondering if the "Cargo Chassis" was still an issue. I don't think oil has anything to do with the cargo ports here.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
I was wondering if the "Cargo Chassis" was still an issue. I don't think oil has anything to do with the cargo ports here.

The "Cargo Chassis" is one problem, and by "not owning them" the employer in this transition has created a logistical nightmare!

The Redundant Software and the Tower Information Control Micromanagement Mindset is killing production! That won't change anytime soon.

The inability of management to step back and look at what is best for our industry is not of concern. Their only concern is the bottom line that kicks the legs out from under production. Middle managers and terminal subcontractors competing in three or four uncooperative categories of Vessel-Yard-Rail Gate can allow The CEO to charmingly froth at the mouth all he/they want about labor. Their true enemy is the lack of real team participation in the operational planning where the marine terminal managers have further enmeshed themselves into the operation over time by proxy with redundant technology and their Tower Control Siege Mentality. THAT's NOT HOW THINGS GET DONE ON ASPHALT BEYOND THEIR AIR-CONDITIONED PEER GROUPED REALITY SESSIONS. Don't be afraid to ask the guy with the tan on the dayside, or the guy on nights who lost his many years earlier.
 
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Be Well

may all be well
Talk about not buying china crap and then wax poetically about buying china crap. Then admit you want a bargain but want others to buy the higher USA made items.

Oh by the way the cellphone was made in China and the duty on cellphones coming in the country is 0%. Wonder how that feat was accomplished?

Odd. My personal habits and likes are to buy only American made or at least some country besides China. I try, not always possible, but I try. Why? Because I'm disgusted with the US gov/corporations together destroying US manufacturing and taking it to China, and making crap.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thought I'd provide a new development on the Portland (Oregon) port and its major shipping company since I also posted a story earlier in this thread (post #39) about the port here and its reaction to the lockout/strike/slowdown/what-have-you. As this article notes this could be another negotiating tactic, but then again maybe this time Hanjin is serious. From what I understand most shipping companies don't like it here almost entirely due to seemingly neverending labor problems, and in my opinion it's very unlikely Portland will lure another major shipping company to replace Hanjin since as far as I know they were the last big company to be even remotely interested in Portland. I have no real idea why Portland is still a serious port at all (maybe due more to sheer historical inertia than anything else) since the docks are quite a ways up the Columbia River (which has irregular issues keeping the channel dredged deep enough) and the big ships have to cross the Columbia River Bar (a very serious hazard to almost anything that floats even today) in order to get here.

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Port's largest container carrier Hanjin leaving Portland

by Associated Press
PST February 11, 2015

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - A South Korean shipping company that is the Port of Portland's largest container carrier will be terminating its service with the city, but it will continue to use rail and truck transportation, port officials said.

Hanjin Shipping notified the port and customers it will withdraw services on March 9, port spokesman Josh Thomas said Tuesday. Hanjin handles nearly 80 percent of the container volume at the port's Terminal 6.

"It's something the port had worked very hard to avert," Thomas said.

Hanjin has had a presence in Portland since 1993. But its pullout isn't a surprise. In recent years, the company has been unhappy about the pace of work among longshore workers and announced its intention to withdraw two years ago.

Since 2012, members of the International Longshore & Warehouse Union clashed with the Philippines-based company known as ICTSI that operates Terminal 6 for the port. Those labor troubles didn't help make the port more competitive, Thomas said.

Last year, Hanjin decided to stay, but the company said it would review productivity and costs.

A Hanjin official confirmed the latest decision by email.

"If you are in Portland you should know why. Can't afford the expense of operating there. Simple," said Mike Radak, senior vice president for Hanjin USA.

Union spokeswoman Jennifer Sargent characterized the pullout as another ploy by Hanjin to wrest additional subsidies out of the Port of Portland and to keep its preferred operator, ICTSI, in place at the terminal.

(Related: Portland longshore union stops work to support Honduras ICTSI rift - http://www.nwcn.com/story/news/2014/07/26/12614034/)

Because hundreds of exporters and importers use the terminal to transport goods to and from international markets, Hanjin's pullout will affect many jobs and businesses. Many of the area's largest shippers as well as exporters such as farmers depend on Hanjin's services.

Port officials said Hanjin's pullout will impact hundreds of jobs and businesses using the terminal.

"It's going to be devastating," said Shelly Boshart Davis of Bossco Trading.

Davis uses Hanjin to ship dozens of containers full of agricultural products overseas each week. Now she will have to find a way to ship the product out of Tacoma or Seattle.

"It's going to hurt us drastically," she said.

Port officials said they're now working on the transition. The two remaining small container carriers - Hapag-Lloyd, a German company, and Westwood Shipping - will continue to serve the terminal and may be able to absorb some of the cargo, but in many cases they don't serve the same ports, Thomas said.

The port will try to attract another trans-Pacific carrier, he said, but in the meantime the costs for those sending cargo by rail or truck to or from Seattle will likely increase.

All other lines - including autos, grain, mineral, steel, liquids - won't be affected by Hanjin's announcement, the port said.

(Related content from 2013: Shipping costs could rise if Hanjin ships out - http://www.nwcn.com/story/news/2014/07/26/12574930/)

http://www.nwcn.com/story/money/business/2015/02/10/port-portland-south-korean-hanjin/23201367/
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Thought I'd provide a new development on the Portland (Oregon) port and its major shipping company since I also posted a story earlier in this thread (post #39) about the port here and its reaction to the lockout/strike/slowdown/what-have-you. As this article notes this could be another negotiating tactic, but then again maybe this time Hanjin is serious. From what I understand most shipping companies don't like it here almost entirely due to seemingly neverending labor problems, and in my opinion it's very unlikely Portland will lure another major shipping company to replace Hanjin since as far as I know they were the last big company to be even remotely interested in Portland. I have no real idea why Portland is still a serious port at all (maybe due more to sheer historical inertia than anything else) since the docks are quite a ways up the Columbia River (which has irregular issues keeping the channel dredged deep enough) and the big ships have to cross the Columbia River Bar (a very serious hazard to almost anything that floats even today) in order to get here.

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tanstaafl, I've never visited Portland's waterfront and I'm not familiar with their work ethic, attitude, or history of conflict up there.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
tanstaafl, I've never visited Portland's waterfront and I'm not familiar with their work ethic, attitude, or history of conflict up there.

Let's just say that is has been tense between all parties involved (the unions, the shippers, the city government, and probably somehow the local dog pounds) for many years now. Elsewhere they have their conflicts and eventually get back to work, here they just seem to actively hate and work against each other as part of their normal daily routine. Not that I have any personal experience with the Port of Portland -- I'm getting my impressions from reading articles about it and my over-developed sense of cynicism.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Let's just say that is has been tense between all parties involved (the unions, the shippers, the city government, and probably somehow the local dog pounds) for many years now. Elsewhere they have their conflicts and eventually get back to work, here they just seem to actively hate and work against each other as part of their normal daily routine. Not that I have any personal experience with the Port of Portland -- I'm getting my impressions from reading articles about it and my over-developed sense of cynicism.


I see.

Down here we let it go and get back to business. The difference now is our ILWU President 'Big Bob' is originally from Vancouver WA, hired as a longshoreman in 1969. Obviously his passion is very familiar with the PNW issues. The grain terminal up in WA was/ is a huge issue on his to do list. The PNW benefits from our productivity down here, but isn't always as in touch with our issues.

Hopefully the employer will allow normal operations soon. The back log is going to take a couple months plus to catch up on... Providing they figure out how to get more chassis into our twin ports. If the truckers had half a mind to force their issues, they would plan it on the tail end of our recovery. The fact that they cannot seem to organize we should be back to work as soon as the CEO gets his hackles down.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'd be surprised if this is the only interest group pressuring the feds to "do something," but I have no idea what this particular group thinks the feds can do about what has become a much bigger problem for them. If Hanjin leaves Portland on March 9 as threatened, then it doesn't really matter whether the ports dispute on the West Coast gets resolved quickly or not. The added cost of shipping further just to get their stuff to other ports will ALREADY be a new factor for selected Oregon businesses that formerly exported their goods through Portland. But this article does show that at least some companies are becoming nervous enough about the ports dispute to actually join forces with competitors to lobby Congress.

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Oregon agriculture companies ask for federal intervention in West Coast longshore-port dispute

by Molly Harbarger
The Oregonian/OregonLive
February 12, 2015

Oregon agriculture companies want the state's Congressional delegation to push port operators and the longshore workers union to reach an agreement on a new contract.

The Agriculture Transportation Coalition, a lobbying group based in Washington, D.C., sent a letter Thursday to the Oregon's federal legislators asking them to be more vocal to the port operators association and the longshore union about the harm they are causing and to press President Barack Obama to intervene.

The letter comes two days after the Port of Portland's container terminal lost nearly 80 percent of its business when Hanjin Shipping Co. withdrew its service. The container terminal handles most of the agricultural products moving between Portland and Oregon's biggest trade partners in Asia. Hanjin was the only shipping line that traveled to China, Korea and other large Asian consumers of Oregon-grown food.

"It is important that you recognize that there is nothing that we produce in Oregon in agriculture and forest products that cannot be sourced from somewhere else," the letter said. "We can grow and process the best in the world, but if we cannot deliver our Oregon products affordably and dependably, the foreign customers will go somewhere else and may never return."

Agricultural products -- fresh vegetables, hazelnuts, frozen french fries -- are a huge part of Oregon's export economy. As a group, agricultural products come second only to computer and electronics. Wood products also rank in the top 10.

In Oregon, years of tension between the port operator, ICTSI Oregon, and the local longshore union members was layered on top of congestion at 29 West Coast ports during contract negotiations.

A Hanjin Copenhagen ship sat in port four days waiting to be unloaded, while another Hanjin ship steamed up the Columbia River. Portland is an inland port, which makes it more expensive than Seattle or Long Beach, California, to access. However, it served as a vital link for shipping companies and farmers in Oregon, southern and eastern Washington and western Idaho.

State officials worry that now farmers and other small and medium-sized companies that depend on trade with Asia will spend money on trucking and air freight that could have been used to hire more people, invest in land or machinery or expand their businesses.

"This creates tremendous new burdens on all Oregon agriculture and forest products explorers who must now transport all the way up to Puget Sound ports, at considerable cost and delay," said the letter that included dozens of family farms, insurance companies, manufacturers and industry groups as signatories.

http://www.oregonlive.com/business/...gon_agriculture_companies_a.html#incart_river
 

2x2

Inactive
Getting worse???

West Coast ports to shut down 4 days amid labor dispute

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/West-Coast-ports-will-shut-down-for-four-days-6076197.php

The cargo ships stuck in a traffic jam as they wait for a spot at the Port of Oakland won’t get a presidential break this holiday weekend after loading and unloading operations were suspended at 29 West Coast seaports for four days.

The Pacific Maritime Association, which represents shipping lines and terminal operators, is refusing to pay overtime to longshoremen for weekend and holiday work. The move is the Association’s response to what it claims are union work stoppages and slowdowns that have caused crippling delays and devastating economic losses.

“What they’re doing amounts to a strike with pay,” said Wade Gates, the association spokesman, about the slowdowns and stoppages, “and we will reduce the extent to which we pay premium rates for such a strike.”

The association announced Wednesday that it will not hire crews to move containers at ports on the West Coast, including Oakland, starting Thursday, which is Lincoln’s birthday, and continuing Saturday, Sunday and Monday, which is Presidents Day.

Contract expired July 1

The shipping employers also idled vessel loading and unloading last weekend, adding fuel to an already volatile dispute with the International Longshore and Warehouse Union, which represents 20,000 dockworkers, whose contract ran out July 1.

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Work delays and stoppages over the past three months have caused mounting problems for Bay Area importers and small-business owners, who say they are losing money as trucks line up daily outside the Port of Oakland waiting for container ships anchored in San Francisco Bay to unload.

The shutting down of port operations is ironic because it’ll make the situation worse, said union officials who claimed the association canceled a negotiating session Wednesday and has not been available since last Friday.

“This is an effort by the employers to put economic pressure on our members and to gain leverage in contract talks,” said Robert McEllrath, president of the longshore and warehouse union. “The union is standing by ready to negotiate, as we have been for the past several days.”

The association offered the union what amounted to a 3 percent raise over five years, employer-paid health care and an 11 percent increase in pensions. The association claims the average dockworker makes $147,000 a year, but the union denies that, saying the typical salary is actually $83,000.


Money isn’t the primary issue, said Craig Merrilees, the ILWU spokesman. He said dockworkers are servicing larger ships, handling more cargo and dealing with increasing pressure to work fast under ever more dangerous conditions.

Safety tops pay

“Safety is a key issue,” Merrilees said. “The jobs on the docks are extremely dangerous. The fatality rate for longshore workers has exceeded the rates for police and firefighters.”

The steadily deteriorating situation has affected the 28 other ports between Seattle and San Diego, delaying merchandise deliveries up and down the coast. The maritime association is warning of a “coast-wide meltdown” if a settlement isn’t reached.

As it is, from a half-dozen to a dozen ships are anchored in the bay every day, awaiting a spot at the Oakland marine terminal. An equal number are stuck outside the Golden Gate because there is no room for them to anchor in the bay.

The Port of Oakland is the third-largest port in California and the fifth-biggest in the United States. The port employs only about 500 people, but there are thousands of ancillary jobs, including crane operators, cargo handlers, warehouse crews, railroad workers, customs officials and importers, all the way down to the taco stand operator.


Port officials, who are not involved in the negotiations, say union workers have cut production from an average of about 32 containers moved per hour in October to about 24 per hour this month, a noticeable decline.

Between 7,000 and 9,000 truckers pick up or drop off cargo at the port, and many of them have had to wait as long as eight hours to get into the terminal.

The blame-game rhetoric that followed the latest contract offer is typical of how things have been going.

Unreasonable demands

Gates said the longshoremen responded with unreasonable demands, including the right to fire arbitrators.

“The ILWU’s current slowdowns, now in their fourth month, show the very reason that we need a healthy arbitration system in place,” Gates said. “It is essential to be able to prevent the crippling slowdowns that are impacting workers and businesses across the nation.”

McEllrath said that is a gross mischaracterization.

“It seems to us that the employers are trying to sabotage negotiations,” he said. “They are not just hurting workers, families and communities — what our employers are doing is bad for the industry and the U.S. economy.”
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
The "Catastrophic Shutdown Of America's Supply Chain" Begins: Stunning Photos Of West Coas

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...hain-begins-stunning-photos-west-coast-port-c


Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/12/2015 11:20 -0500


One week ago, when previewing what may be the first lockout of the West Coast Ports since 2002, we cited the Retail Industry Leaders Association who, realizing that failure to reach an agreement between the dockworker union and their bosses, the Pacific Maritime Association representing port management would lead to devastating consequences for the US retail industry, had several very damning soundbites:

"a work slowdown during contract negotiations over the past seven months has already created logistic nightmares for American exporters, manufacturers and retailers dependent on an efficient supply chain. A complete shutdown would be catastrophic, with hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk if America’s supply chain grinds to a halt."
"A west coast port shutdown would be an economic disaster."
"A shutdown would not only impact the hundreds of thousands of jobs working directly in America’s transportation supply chain, but the reality is the entire economy would be impacted as exports sit on docks and imports sit in the harbor waiting for manufacturers to build products and retailers to stock shelves."

And the punchline: "The slowdown is already making life difficult, but a shutdown could derail the economy completely."

Just so readers have a sense of what is at stake, this is what the average dockworker makes: $147,000 a year in salary, plus $35,000 a year in employer-paid health care and an annual pension of $80,000 (according to an association press release). It is the overtime compensation to the total shown here, which grosses to over a quarter of a million dollars, that dockworkers are negotiating to raise or else the key US supply-chains gets it.

Incidentally, the demands of the dockworker union and their leverage is precisely the reason for the dramatic discrepancy we showed in the following chart:

50% rule
 

Broccoli

Contributing Member
Port of Oakland shipping stalls, tensions escalate

http://abc7news.com/business/port-of-oakland-shipping-stalls-tensions-escalate/514288/
OAKLAND, Calif. (KGO) --
The labor dispute at the Port of Oakland and all other West Coast ports is escalating and it's starting to cut into the bone for farmers and other exporters, who are losing business to foreign producers.

The cranes in the Port of Oakland remain idle and dozens of ships are anchored in the San Francisco Bay unable to deliver or pick up goods. The Pacific Maritime Association suspended West Coast operations Wednesday in the middle of a labor dispute with the longshoremen. They say the union is intentionally slowing down operations with fewer crane operators. The union disagrees.

50% rule
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
Port of Los Angeles / Long Beach checking in.

The employer is not allowing any ship work Thursday / Thursday night, Saturday /Saturday Night, Sunday / Sunday Night, Monday / Monday Night and many many crane drivers are home enjoying their families shaking their heads tonight.

The previous testimony was brought to you by L.A.B. as is the following:

I'm working a mega-terminal again tonight. A truck driver from Phoenix AZ just told me he has been in this container yard marine terminal since 11:00 AM yesterday Wednesday. Why? Becausethe terminal wants to further exacerbate the delivery times with their 50% undermanning technological software and attempt to document this as a worker slowdown, that as I said earlier, technology is 4 or 5:1 slower than people doing the same job in Transtainer Yard deliveries.


I have 30 years seniority, they could let 90%+ of the workforce go, I'll still be here if I need to. Just so you can know my motives while presenting you with info.
 
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Broccoli

Contributing Member
Just as you say L.A.B. another shutdown this weekend

http://homment.com/uscoast33
soundbites:

"a work slowdown during contract negotiations over the past seven months has already created logistic nightmares for American exporters, manufacturers and retailers dependent on an efficient supply chain. A complete shutdown would be catastrophic, with hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk if America’s supply chain grinds to a halt."
"A west coast port shutdown would be an economic disaster."
"A shutdown would not only impact the hundreds of thousands of jobs working directly in America’s transportation supply chain, but the reality is the entire economy would be impacted as exports sit on docks and imports sit in the harbor waiting for manufacturers to build products and retailers to stock shelves."

And the punchline: "The slowdown is already making life difficult, but a shutdown could derail the economy completely."

More:

Terminal operators and shipping lines said that they would stop the unloading of ships Thursday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday, because they don't want to pay overtime to workers who, they allege, have deliberately slowed operations to the point of causing a massive bottleneck. Thursday is Lincoln's Birthday and Monday is Presidents Day, which are holidays for the workers.

Slowing down work "amounts to a strike with pay, and we will reduce the extent to which we pay premium rates for such a strike," said Wade Gates, spokesman for the Pacific Maritime Assn., the employer group representing the shipping companies. The local union in Los Angeles and Long Beach has denied using slowdown tactics.

50% rule, pictures at site
 
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