Setup for a Stolen Election? AP Poll "Tightens" Race to a Point

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By Michael Collins


Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:08:00






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(The Intelligence Daily) -- The Associated press came out with a remarkable poll Thursday. It claimed that the presidential race had tightened from the consistent leads Obama has shown over the past weeks to become one of those "too close to call" national elections. Their poll, conducted by German polling firm GfK, showed 44% for Obama and 43% for McCain.

How could this be? In the Real Clear Politics average of major national polls, Oct 24, Obama's average lead is 7.5%. The four national polls conducted on the same days as the AP poll show an average 9.2% Obama lead. The polls after the AP "tightening" effort shows an 8.7% Obama lead. Clearly the AP-GfK poll is an exception or outlier, as those are called.

Yet the AP presents this as news, not opinion.

What is AP Up To?

AP acknowledges that its poll is different from the other national polls but claims it's not "alone." It isn't. There is exactly one other poll that agrees with AP out of 16 presented on the Real Clear Politics summary for Oct. 24.

AP ignores the tentative nature of the poll and presents the story as "news." It begins drawing conclusions from the poll at the start of the article with "rumors" from unidentified sources;

"The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as GOP-leaning voters drifted home to their party and McCain's "Joe the plumber" analogy struck a chord." AP, Oct. 23, 2008

Reviewing the internal details and questions of the poll analysis by GfK, there are no questions about Joe the Plumber. Since this is the opening claim, mentioned again as central to the shift AP is selling us, it's important to look at how the debate was viewed by the public.

CNN and CBS both did national polls the evening of the debate. CNN reported that 58% of those watching the debate thought Obama won, with only 31% favoring McCain. CBS polled uncommitted voters who judged Obama the winner over McCain by 53% to 22%. This was the biggest margin for Obama for the series of three counters. What was going on with the AP sample of voters?

AP's Flawed Poll


The Associated Press is no stranger to polling. It is the lead sponsor for the national exit polls for Presidential and Congressional elections. Their recent effort in 2006 surveyed over 13,000 individuals and produced detailed demographic results on voters that actually contradict their current effort.

The built in bias of the AP poll is obvious when one reviews the internals. 45% of the 800 person likely voter sample described themselves as "born again or evangelical" Christians. The remaining 55% said no (AP-GfK p. 24). AP should have known that it's 2006 exit poll showed that 36% of respondents were born again, a much lower percentage than included in their McCain friendly poll of yesterday. Also, AP should have known the 2006 exit poll the group had a 60% preference for Republican candidates over Democrats.

The election magic for McCain was complete before the presidential preferences were even sampled. The over representation of Christians and the born agains in the sample guaranteed a preference for McCain.

But there was more. A look at the poll shows that 1,101 registered voters were surveyed. The final poll consisted of 800 "likely voters" taken from that group. The registered voters divided up with 48% for Obama and 38% for McCain. The reduction of Obama support and increase for McCain indicates that McCain's voters are highly motivated to turnout while Obama's are more likely to stay home.

This contradicts the actual evidence available showing major gains in newly registered voters for Obama and huge advantages in primary turnout for Democrats compared Republicans. It's small crowds for McCain and record breaking gatherings for Obama around the country, including 35,000 in Leesburg, Virginia on Thursday Oct. 23.

In polling, the sample determines the outcome of a poll. If you bias the poll sample toward groups that are well known to support one party, then the poll will reflect that sample selection. In this case, AP, GfK did just that. They created a Republican friendly sample which displayed more motivation to vote because it started out Republican friendly.

The AP-GfK "Giveaway"


Within the details of the poll, there's a major clue that something is very wrong.

The likely voter sample was asked questions that are directly related to attacks and negative campaigning. Voters are consistent in decrying what they perceive as unfair attacks.

Note how they perceive each candidate's "attacks" during the campaign:





(AP-GfK p. 18)

AP wants us to believe that the same sample that made these responses also showed lower than average support for Obama and higher for McCain even. A clear majority describe McCain and Palin as "mostly unfair" in their attacks on Obama. An equally clear majority of the sample say that the Obama and Biden attacks on McCain are "mostly fair."

Are They Preparing Us for a "Surprise?"


On a recent Larry King show, the anchors for the major networks were asked for a prediction on the presidential election. Brian Williams of NBC practically came out of his seat when he encouraged viewers to get up and "run" from anyone who tells you that they know how this election will come out. The other anchors echoed these sentiments.

This is the very worst type of news commentary. How could Williams know that a month or so ago? Why would the others just bob their heads? Are they preparing us for something "special?"

The analysis of the AP, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX, NBC "media consortium" final exit poll might provide a clue: Election 2004: The Urban Legend.

The past is prolog.
 

changed

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Perhaps we won't know who the next president is on Nov 5th? A reason to riot? :shr:
 

mbo

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Me thinks ET2 is looking to rationalize riots. I guess ET2 has polled every voter in the country and gotten signed affidavits from everyone.


:kk1:


Got a hint for you ET2, you missed some of us.
 

et2

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Me thinks ET2 is looking to rationalize riots. I guess ET2 has polled every voter in the country and gotten signed affidavits from everyone.


:kk1:

MBO ... why don't you go find your own news. Did you fall on your head today? You sure certainly have the gift of twisting words around don't you. After your all done ... you have not made a bit of sense. In case you didn't notice (here comes that reading comprehension again) ... I did not write the article. One thing I do know is you say a lot of nothing.:shr:
 

mbo

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MBO ... why don't you go find your own news. Did you fall on your head today? You sure certainly have the gift of twisting words around don't you. After your all done ... you have not made a bit of sense. In case you didn't notice (here comes that reading comprehension again) ... I did not write the article. One thing I do know is you say a lot of nothing.:shr:

Cut it with the spin. You call this news? You're not fooling anybody with this crap. This is an editorial, and does not belong on main. Your posting of an editorial is your endorsement of it.
 

Fisher

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The only one trying to steal the election is Obama with the help of the mainstream media.
 

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lectrickitty

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I've been polled several times and every time the poll questions were skewed toward BO. This makes me think that the poll results we see reported are off balance to make BO look like he's ahead.

Why would they do that? Because it's human nature to want to be on the "winning side" so they do all they can to make it look like he's winning.

A truly honest poll might show that neither of them have much support. LOL
 

et2

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Cut it with the spin. You call this news? You're not fooling anybody with this crap. This is an editorial, and does not belong on main. Your posting of an editorial is your endorsement of it.

:lkick::lkick::lkick:

Ok MBO ... so tell me all the other political crap we see covering the TB2K board lately is worthy of "news" you NeoCON's put out. Opps ... I forgot .. you hardly post anything ... your the resident sniper and thread drifter. What have I endorsed? Did I say anywhere I endorsed it. Read into it whatever your "little" heart pleases.
 

night driver

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Excuse me but the AP is SIMPLY RECOGNIZING polling FACTS.

If you were even REMOTELY aware of accuracy in polls, you would have been folling the TIPP poll which, for the past 2-4 WEEKS has been saying PRECISELY what the DEm and Rep INTERNAL polls have been saying.....2 points for Obama with 7 undecided and a margin for error of 3.5(ish)%.

In other words, for the past several weeks it's been too close to call, if you watched the poll that was THE MOST ACCURATE 4 years ago.


Stop hyperventilating when someone prints something that doesn't agree with your agenda/world view. Or when things actualy CHANGE.....Remember that Kerry was WAY ahead into the last weekend and the numbers on Sat and Sunday got VERY CLOSE......
 

truthseeker

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The pollsters will use what they think is a good formula to come up with they think is most accurate, perhaps some will try to manipulate the results of the poll. In the end only one poll really matters and thats the one about a week from now, when we go into the polls.

A single poll using the same method will change from day to day.

In my opinion if OH and FL goto McCain he will win, If just one of the goes to Obama he will win.

Disclaimor: The above opinion represents the objective reality, not the passion.

GO BARRACUDA
GO WAR HERO
LEADERS NOT PHILOSOPHERS!!
 

et2

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The pollsters will use what they think is a good formula to come up with they think is most accurate, perhaps some will try to manipulate the results of the poll. In the end only one poll really matters and thats the one about a week from now, when we go into the polls.

A single poll using the same method will change from day to day.

In my opinion if OH and FL goto McCain he will win, If just one of the goes to Obama he will win.

Disclaimor: The above opinion represents the objective reality, not the passion.

GO BARRACUDA
GO WAR HERO
LEADERS NOT PHILOSOPHERS!!



What happened to MAVERICK? Ha ... he does smell more like a fish though ... :lol:
 

Wardogs

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If Obama is really up 10 points in Pennsylvania, why are McCain and Bill Clinton storming the state? Even if McCain is grasping, why would Obama use a weapon as powerful as Bill Clinton in Pennsylvania instead of much closer polling states like North Carolina (+1.5), Indiana (+1.3) or Missouri (+0.6)?

He’s using the most effective campaigner in recent history in a state with a 10 point lead that offers 21 electoral votes instead of three very close states that represent 37 electoral votes? Does this make sense to anyone?

Only if the internal polls are showing something that the published polls are not...

The Biden selection has been a complete disaster and no thinking person in the Obama camp can defend his selection at this point. Yet, he is their primary voice in Florida and its 27 electoral votes???

The only one actively and demonstrably trying to steal this election is Obama and his legions of thugs, lawyers and ACORN fraudsters.

Interesting times indeed.

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