Seriously, How Can Ted Cruz Supporters Defend This?

[Silent Knight]

Earlier today Ted Cruz sent out a blitz of fundraising emails on the heels of his Iowa victory. Here’s an example (screen grabbed), and pay attention to the two bullet points Cruz puts at the bottom of email:

♦ Referring to bullet point #1. “I will never get — nor do I want — money from the DC lobbyists”, look at the truth:

Almost all of these donors are Washington DC lobbyists. All of them directly funding Ted Cruz, not a Super-PAC, but his direct campaign. – SEE FOR YOURSELF – The entire statement:

…”I will never get — nor do I want — money from the DC lobbyists”…

…is a flat out lie. It is not a misstatement, it is a complete and total falsehood.

♦ Then take a look at the #2 Bullet Point: “After winning Iowa the Washington cartel is most certainly more determined than ever defeat me”. Again, look at the truth:

Stand for Truth is the Super-PAC of Mitch McConnell’s attorney. You don’t get much more “inside the DC cartel” than that. Notice they were funding support for Ted Cruz in Iowa. –SEE FOR YOURSELF – See All Filings HERE

It certainly doesn’t appear the DC Cartel is out to defeat Ted Cruz.

This is what we reference when we point out that almost all of Ted Cruz supporters have some weird ideological way to reconcile being lied to based on some odd, possibly religious, need to believe -against all common sense- what is factually taking place.

Even when presented with this factual information which proves, beyond any doubt, that Ted Cruz is lying to his supporters in his campaign letters, somehow they are able to disconnect themselves from the sunlight of truth and retain a belief he’s not lying to them.

It’s odd, really odd.

And yet somehow they will find a way to reconcile this too. Watch.

*NOTE* For those following the Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin advocacy, Stand For Truth has spent $2,301,250 on “Pro-Cruz radio advertising” exclusively. –SEE HERE–

How much of that $2.3 million do you think is going to Limbaugh and Levin?

SOURCE: http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/02/02/seriously-how-can-ted-cruz-supporters-defend-this/

 

[Buick Electra]

Sorry Sk, but this is a dupe http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...he-Guy-With-The-Bible-In-Hand-Just-Lied-Again although you wouldn't have known it because I used a different title. Expect NO RESPONSES from JGF or any of the other Cruzbots as they haven't commented a word on my post.

 

[Silent Knight]

DOH! I even searched first. Sorry. I do see that the Cruzites are conspicuously missing from your thread.

 

[fairbanksb]

What identifies all those donors as being DC Lobbyists? Are all businesses considered to be DC lobbyists and do they have to be registered somehow as lobbyists?
Second, you are identifying the Stand for Truth Pac as belonging to McConnells attorney. The only info I can find is that the man acted as his attorney during his 2014 campaign. How do you know that he is still McConnells attorney? Isn't the attorney allowed to represent different clients for specific purposes? Because he served as his attorney once does that make it a permanent position? Just asking.

 

[cjoi]

Didn't see the other thread. This one has nice graphics for sending to people who need pictures.

Thanks SK and BE.

 

[frazbo]

DOH! I even searched first. Sorry. I do see that the Cruzites are conspicuously missing from your thread. Mods, please delete this thread. Thanks.

No, don't delete it...this is the first I've seen of it...but I'm old and don't always catch things the first time around and I LOVE charts especially with names!!! This is a keeper for sure...thanks!

 

[night driver]

Jones Day, as a law firm can be a conduit for ANYONE....

 

[Willow]

This was at the bottom of the page where the chart above was found.

"The organizations themselves did not donate, rather the money came from the organizations' PACs, their individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families. Organization totals include subsidiaries and affiliates."

It explains why Cruz is saying he didn't get money from lobbying organizations. A bit deceptive but not enough for me to turn to someone else.

Willow

 

[Silent Knight]

(WITHDRAWN)

 

[Buick Electra]

DOH! I even searched first. Sorry. I do see that the Cruzites are conspicuously missing from your thread.

No. No worries. As I said, I didn't post the TRUE title of the op-ed. That's why you didn't find it when you searched. Leave your thread here!!

 

[Sub-Zero]

Didn't see the other thread. This one has nice graphics for sending to people who need pictures.

Thanks SK and BE.

I needa mah pichuuus! Gimme mo pichuus!

 

[cuz1961]

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reconcile
‎
transitive verb. 1 a : to restore to friendship or harmony <reconciled the factions> b : settle, resolve <reconcile differences> 2 : to make consistent or congruous <reconcile an ideal with reality> 3 : to cause to submit to or accept something unpleasant <was reconciled to hardship>

well,,, for starters,,, to restore harmony it requires BOTH sides to want it,,
and from what ive seen so far ,,, cruz bashers WILL NOT accept reconciliation,,

second,to make consistent or congruous, requires one to admit facts,,
and again from what ive seen of cruz bashers they would argue to death
if cruz said the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west

like with the birther issue,,, you can point out the laws and findings
and cruz bashers will fall right back to what they hold to be natural citizen
and to hell with what congress or the courts or the founders said.

you just couldn't restrain yourself to presenting facts,,,,
you had to bash as well,,,

i.e.

"And yet somehow they will find a way,,,"
"It’s odd, really odd"
"possibly religious, need to believe -against all common sense-"

and i dont consider it bashing you to point those things out
or the things im about to point out.


but i will give it a go on reconciling this

the assertion you have made is

ted said,,,ted lied,,, ted is a liar.

ted said he isnt going to take money
for his 2016 campaign
from certain groups.
FUTURE TENSE.

ted DID NOT SAY ,,
he had NEVER BEFORE taken money in his whole career

now ,, when i saw what you offered as proof,,, i thought

"i should look at this,,, maybe they are right "


so i went to you link
and
i googled dc lobbyists and got a current list of current dc lobbyist organizations,,

first thing that i saw,, was that far from your assertion that nearly all were dc. lobbyist organizations ,,

, only 3 were on the dc lobbyist list,,,

ergo dishonest assertion # 1,,, or as some call that,,, a lie.

then i looked at those that were still on the list

then i noticed a couple extra things at your link
that you failed to point out.

first was that it was all donations for his entire career,,,

NOT THE 2016 campaign only, which is what cruz was talking about

ergo dishonest assertion #2,, or as some call it,, a lie


when you 'select' in the Campaign Finance Cycle: drop down menu box

for the year 2016

as opposed to 'career"

the list changes quite a bit

but there STILL ARE some listings that show up on the dc lobbyist list on google

,,,but then i noticed the little asterisk

and the following language below your . – SEE FOR YOURSELF –link list,,

"The organizations
themselves

did
not
donate,

rather the money came from the organizations' PACs,
their individual members or employees or owners,
and those individuals' immediate families."


and that plainly states the listed donations

ARE NOT FROM THE DC LOBBYISTS ORGANIZATIONS.

,,so what did ted say,,lets look again

1. “I will never get — nor do I want — money from the DC lobbyists
or the special interest billionaires,,,

not "never HAVE in the PAST"
JUST never for THIS election cycle ,

and not from special interest billionaires


So,,,your own sources link plainly states,, lets repeat it for you

"The organizations themselves did not donate,,,,,"


now ted did not mention PACS, ,,

JUST DC LOBBYIST FIRMS AND SPECIAL INTEREST BILLIONAIRES

so either you were in such a rush to bash ,
and MAKE your facts conform to your opinion and accusation

that you didnt check and or notice these points i just made

or you were the one who made the dishonest assertion, #3 btw,
that it was cruz who was the one being dishonest

you accuse cruz of being the liar,,

he didnt lie

looks to me like you did,

but in spite of what it looks like,,
im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt
and choose to believe
you just didnt quite notice the points ive made



or is any reconciliation by a cruz supporter just to be ignored out of hand ?

 

[NC Susan]

Picking fleas out of a dog

Cruz and Rubio are not eligible
You cant be born in Canada or Korea or Africa and qualify as Natural Born

Why is Cruz the "Constitutionalist" defying Constitutional Law

 

[Silent Knight]

Picking fleas out of a dog

Cruz and Rubio are not eligible
You cant be born in Canada or Korea or Africa and qualify as Natural Born

Why is Cruz the "Constitutionalist" defying Constitutional Law

Because he's a member of the largest religion in the world: "À la carte Christianity." Its popularity stems from the doctrine that you can decide for yourself what principles you want to adhere to and which you want to ignore. It is practiced by hypocrites and tyrants worldwide.

 

[Lavender]

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reconcile
‎
transitive verb. 1 a : to restore to friendship or harmony <reconciled the factions> b : settle, resolve <reconcile differences> 2 : to make consistent or congruous <reconcile an ideal with reality> 3 : to cause to submit to or accept something unpleasant <was reconciled to hardship>

well,,, for starters,,, to restore harmony it requires BOTH sides to want it,,
and from what ive seen so far ,,, cruz bashers WILL NOT accept reconciliation,,

second,to make consistent or congruous, requires one to admit facts,,
and again from what ive seen of cruz bashers they would argue to death
if cruz said the sun comes up in the east and sets in the west

like with the birther issue,,, you can point out the laws and findings
and cruz bashers will fall right back to what they hold to be natural citizen
and to hell with what congress or the courts or the founders said.

you just couldn't restrain yourself to presenting facts,,,,
you had to bash as well,,,

i.e.

"And yet somehow they will find a way,,,"
"It’s odd, really odd"
"possibly religious, need to believe -against all common sense-"

and i dont consider it bashing you to point those things out
or the things im about to point out.


but i will give it a go on reconciling this

the assertion you have made is

ted said,,,ted lied,,, ted is a liar.

ted said he isnt going to take money
for his 2016 campaign
from certain groups.
FUTURE TENSE.

ted DID NOT SAY ,,
he had NEVER BEFORE taken money in his whole career

now ,, when i saw what you offered as proof,,, i thought

"i should look at this,,, maybe they are right "


so i went to you link
and
i googled dc lobbyists and got a current list of current dc lobbyist organizations,,

first thing that i saw,, was that far from your assertion that nearly all were dc. lobbyist organizations ,,

, only 3 were on the dc lobbyist list,,,

ergo dishonest assertion # 1,,, or as some call that,,, a lie.

then i looked at those that were still on the list

then i noticed a couple extra things at your link
that you failed to point out.

first was that it was all donations for his entire career,,,

NOT THE 2016 campaign only, which is what cruz was talking about

ergo dishonest assertion #2,, or as some call it,, a lie


when you 'select' in the Campaign Finance Cycle: drop down menu box

for the year 2016

as opposed to 'career"

the list changes quite a bit

but there STILL ARE some listings that show up on the dc lobbyist list on google

,,,but then i noticed the little asterisk

and the following language below your . – SEE FOR YOURSELF –link list,,

"The organizations
themselves

did
not
donate,

rather the money came from the organizations' PACs,
their individual members or employees or owners,
and those individuals' immediate families."


and that plainly states the listed donations

ARE NOT FROM THE DC LOBBYISTS ORGANIZATIONS.

,,so what did ted say,,lets look again

1. “I will never get — nor do I want — money from the DC lobbyists
or the special interest billionaires,,,

not "never HAVE in the PAST"
JUST never for THIS election cycle ,

and not from special interest billionaires


So,,,your own sources link plainly states,, lets repeat it for you

"The organizations themselves did not donate,,,,,"


now ted did not mention PACS, ,,

JUST DC LOBBYIST FIRMS AND SPECIAL INTEREST BILLIONAIRES

so either you were in such a rush to bash ,
and MAKE your facts conform to your opinion and accusation

that you didnt check and or notice these points i just made

or you were the one who made the dishonest assertion, #3 btw,
that it was cruz who was the one being dishonest

you accuse cruz of being the liar,,

he didnt lie

looks to me like you did,

but in spite of what it looks like,,
im gonna give you the benefit of the doubt
and choose to believe
you just didnt quite notice the points ive made



or is any reconciliation by a cruz supporter just to be ignored out of hand ?

Cuz1961, your writing style is different, but I tell you what, it sure is easy to understand. Every word you write is as it should be written to make your case.

 

[Adino]

cruz: the establishment's anti-establishment candidate

heir apparent for the hegelian dialectic's uniparty right

company boy

when the uniparty attacks his personal fortune and attempts to knee cap him and his family's ability to make money like they have trump i may reconsider the above

unless and until the machine attacks him like it does trump he is part of it not raging against it

 

[TammyinWI]

Because he's a member of the largest religion in the world: "À la carte Christianity." It's popularity stems from the doctrine that you can decide for yourself what principles you want to adhere to and which you want to ignore. It is practiced by hypocrites and tyrants worldwide.

Boy, I guess!

Matthew 7English Standard Version (ESV)

15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. 18 A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.

 

[ShadowMan]

I just rely on the old adage....."How can you tell when a politician is lying.....their lips are moving!"

 

[Lavender]

I just rely on the old adage....."How can you tell when a politician is lying.....their lips are moving!"

I should put that in my signature.
.
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.
.
.

 

[Lavender]

I just saw this on Bill's twitter page...... https://twitter.com/mitchellvii

Geesh! This is making me wonder about Cruz.

Bill Mitchell Retweeted
Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump · 1h1 hour ago
During primetime of the Iowa Caucus, Cruz put out a release that @RealBenCarson was quitting the race, and to caucus (or vote) for Cruz.

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii · 2h2 hours ago
So Cruz would have us believe that pretty much EVERYONE IN HIS CAMPAIGN EXCEPT HIM knew about the "Carson is out!" scandal?

Bill Mitchell þ@mitchellvii · 3h3 hours ago https://twitter.com/mitchellvii
Does ANYONE believe Cruz's Campaign Staff sent out Official Messages to announce Carson was dropping out WITHOUT telling Cruz?!!!

 

[frazbo]

As it is said: If it happens in politics, it was planned that way. We are soooo in for a world of hurt between now and Nov, if we make it that far...ugh!

 

[Dredge]

Cruz is a lying piece of shit . But he is a really good liar, however his morals betray him.

And Rubio had a homosexual roommate after high school . Still the stupid people support them

 

[Be Well]

Copying this info here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle.

Checking out Free Republic for more news on this. I didn't find much but did see this, about Cruz' campaign chairman.

In other news:
Meet Chad C. Sweet, Ted Cruz’s campaign chairman, former DoD/CIA/Goldman Sachs/Homeland Security.

Sweet co-founded the Chertoff Group with former Bush and Obama administration Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff.

As a leader of the Chertoff Group, Sweet “advocated for expanding NSA metadata collection.”

http://www.chertoffgroup.com/bios/chad-sweet.php

Meet Ted’s ex-CIA PR guy, Dan P. Gabriel. Gabriel is involved in SIGINT aka interception - which is turned into propaganda. His twitter handle is @danpgabriel and he was one of the people pushing the angle that it was confirmed to the Cruz campaign that Carson was dropping out. After called out on the lie, the agent deleted the tweet and denies everything in typical spook fashion:

Mr. Chad C. Sweet
Co-Founder

Areas of Focus:

Intelligence and counterterrorism

Mergers and acquisitions within the security industry

Investment counsel for private equity targeting the security industry

Cyber security and corporate compliance

Previous Government and Private Sector Service:

Chief of Staff, Department of Homeland Security (2007 – 2009)

Vice President, Goldman Sachs (1996 – 2006)

Investment Banker, Morgan Stanley (1994 – 1996)

Directorate of Operations, Central Intelligence Agency (1990, 1991 – 1993)

Chad Sweet is a Co-Founder of the The Chertoff Group, a global advisory firm and investment bank exclusively focused on the security sector. Mr. Sweet formerly served as the Chief of Staff of the United States Department of Homeland Security (DHS). Prior to becoming Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet worked as an investment banker at the firms of Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs as well as served in the CIA's National Clandestine Service.

Previously as the Chief of Staff of DHS, Mr. Sweet helped Secretary Michael Chertoff manage one of the largest federal agencies with approximately 220,000 dedicated homeland security professionals and an annual budget of over $50 billion.

After leaving DHS, Secretary Chertoff and Mr. Sweet co-founded The Chertoff Group to consult with companies and governments on their own security as well to advise on mergers and acquisitions (M&A) in the security industry. With over a decade of investment banking experience, Mr. Sweet has been involved in more than 40 successful sell- and buy-side M&A and capital formation engagements. His recent deals include advising Potomac Fusion on its sale to Sotera, Arlington Capital on its acquisition of FGM and White Oak Technologies to form Novetta Solutions, Veritas Capital on its acquisition of EIG to form "The SI", Waud Capital on its acquisition of Summit Solutions and subsequent merger with Point One to form National Security Partners, Berkshire Partners on its acquisition of ESP, and Safran's acquisition of L-1 Identity Solutions, among others.

Mr. Sweet is a FINRA Registered Representative (Series 7, 24, 63, 79) and registered representative of Chertoff Capital, LLC, a wholly-owned broker dealer subsidiary of The Chertoff Group. He is a member of The Association for Corporate Growth National Capital Chapter, GEN NEXT, and the Young Presidents' Organization (YPO) - U.S. Capital Chapter. He is also a Senior Fellow at the George Washington University Homeland Security Policy Institute, a Member of the FBI's InfraGard Advisory Board, a Senior Fellow at the Center for Naval Analysis, and a frequent commentator on national security issues for CNN, FOX, and CNBC. Mr. Sweet graduated with honors from Columbia University.

 

[Jerry799]

I believe the rumor that Carson was pulling out started with CNN or MSNBC...the Cruz camp made the mistake of repeating it without verifying it. But they did NOT originate it...

 

[Silent Knight]

I believe the rumor that Carson was pulling out started with CNN or MSNBC...the Cruz camp made the mistake of repeating it without verifying it. But they did NOT originate it...

You "believe" CNN or MSNBC started it, but you KNOW Cruz's people didn't originate it? Just curious...how do you KNOW that?

 

[Be Well]

I believe the rumor that Carson was pulling out started with CNN or MSNBC...the Cruz camp made the mistake of repeating it without verifying it. But they did NOT originate it...

So where the he!! did CNN hear it from? Trump's campaign? Carson's? Santorum's? Rubio's? Cruz'? someone's, obviously.

 

[Jerry799]

You "believe" CNN or MSNBC started it, but you KNOW Cruz's people didn't originate it? Just curious...how do you KNOW that?

Because that was the information supplied by Dr. Carson in his e-mail blast to his followers. And he confirmed it was CNN. If you don't want to believe me, feel free to take it up with Dr. Carson....(See Below)

2/3/2016

"Carson America, Inc.



John,

Politics is a nasty business. It's why so many Americans, including me, have been disillusioned.

Personal ambition and conflict are often valued more than honesty, substance and solutions.

I'm running for President because it's time for accountability and integrity, and the only way we can make a difference is for all of us as citizens to take a stand.

That includes holding the media to account when it spreads false or misleading information -- which is what CNN did at the start of the Iowa Caucuses on Monday night. They led people to believe I was leaving the race.

It was yet another example of creating rather than reporting the news, and it's wrong.

Please stand for accountability by making a secure donation of just $2 right now. It's time to show the strength of "We the People" and make it clear that we refuse to back down."

 

[Jerry799]

So where the he!! did CNN hear it from? Trump's campaign? Carson's? Santorum's? Rubio's? Cruz'? someone's, obviously.

CNN reported that Dr. Carson said he was going home after the Iowa Caucus. He meant he was getting some clothes from home, but didn't verbally say that. CNN anchors speculated that he might be withdrawing from the race while on air. The Cruz campaign interpreted the CNN speculation as fact and simply tried to use it to benefit their candidate at the caucus. They didn't understand it was speculation, not hard information, and accepted it as "fact" because it was on CNN.

 

[Be Well]

CNN reported that Dr. Carson said he was going home after the Iowa Caucus. He meant he was getting some clothes from home, but didn't verbally say that. CNN anchors speculated that he might be withdrawing from the race while on air. The Cruz campaign interpreted the CNN speculation as fact and simply tried to use it to benefit their candidate at the caucus. They didn't understand it was speculation, not hard information, and accepted it as "fact" because it was on CNN.

Maybe. Maybe not. I seriously doubt the Cruz peeps would post all the tweets and announcements and telling caucus goers without double checking with the Carson people. In fact, Cruz' PR guy Dan Gabriel (who btw used to work for the CIA) tweeted that they had checked with Carson's people, but the tweet was later deleted by Gabriel:

 

[Be Well]

Cruz is doubling down. Ha ha.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._false_rumor_ben_carson_was_dropping_out.html

Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

Posted on February 3, 2016

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz said he will not discipline staffers who spread a rumor that Ben Carson was going to drop out of the race in an attempt to get Carson supporters to caucus for Cruz in Iowa. Cruz appeared on the Mike Gallager Show on Wednesday and talked about staffers who pushed a report that Carson wasn't going on to campaign in New Hampshire or South Carolina.

 

[Jerry799]

Maybe. Maybe not. I seriously doubt the Cruz peeps would post all the tweets and announcements and telling caucus goers without double checking with the Carson people. In fact, Cruz' PR guy Dan Gabriel (who btw used to work for the CIA) tweeted that they had checked with Carson's people, but the tweet was later deleted by Gabriel:

Dr. Carson has a screen shot of the CNN "speculation" last night in his e-mail blast to his followers. And Dr. Carson is the one saying it was CNN's fault. If you doubt me, I suggest you verify by checking Dr. Carsons website.

I do agree that the Cruz camp should have verified the information before using it. But I think you can understand why they could be "forgiven" for accepting false information at face value from a "reputable" news source (CNN).

 

[Be Well]

Dr. Carson has a screen shot of the CNN "speculation" last night in his e-mail blast to his followers. And Dr. Carson is the one saying it was CNN's fault. If you doubt me, I suggest you verify by checking Dr. Carsons website.

Look, Gabriel from Cruz' campaign, said that the Cruz people CONFIRMED with Carson that he was dropping out. Did you read the above????

And CNN would not run with a story that Carson was dropping out just because he was going home.

 

[Jerry799]

Look, Gabriel from Cruz' campaign, said that the Cruz people CONFIRMED with Carson that he was dropping out. Did you read the above????

And CNN would not run with a story that Carson was dropping out just because he was going home.

Feel free to fight Dr. Carson on this. I'm simply repeating what he has said and appears to believe. Whether it fits your preconceived narrative or not is irrelevant to me. Perhaps Gabriel called the Carson Camp and asked if it were true Dr. Carson was going home after the Iowa caucus? That was how CNN started this whole debacle. The misunderstanding was he was just getting a change of clothes, not dropping out.

And CNN DID speculate on air that Dr. Carson was dropping out because they received information from the Carson Camp that he was "going home" after the Iowa caucus.

 

[OldArcher]

I just rely on the old adage....."How can you tell when a politician is lying.....their lips are moving!"

What's 5,000 politicians and bureaucrats up to their necks in sand?




Not enough sand...

OA

 

[Buick Electra]

Cruz is doubling down. Ha ha.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._false_rumor_ben_carson_was_dropping_out.html

Cruz: No Action Against Staffers Who Spread False Rumor Ben Carson Was Dropping Out

Posted on February 3, 2016

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz said he will not discipline staffers who spread a rumor that Ben Carson was going to drop out of the race in an attempt to get Carson supporters to caucus for Cruz in Iowa. Cruz appeared on the Mike Gallager Show on Wednesday and talked about staffers who pushed a report that Carson wasn't going on to campaign in New Hampshire or South Carolina.

Oh goody! Just like Obama with Hillary!

 

[TerryK]

I am having a lot of doubts about Cruz.
First the voter shaming letters sent out pretending to be some sort of official letter that graded voters and their neighbors on their voting records.
Now the Cruz campaigns successful dirty trick to steal Ben Carson voters by claiming Carson was dropping out and Cruz's subsequent refusal to even discipline his campaign workers who were involved.
Interesting that the most self proclaimed "Christian values" policitian, is the first one pulling the standard politician dirty tricks.
Carson is a morally good man, it's a shame it was a "Christian" who did this to him

If this would have not happened, Carson would have had a higher vote count and Cruz would have had less, maybe enough less that Trump would have won.

 

[Willow]

This might be one reason that Carson is so angry with Cruz. You can read the entire article at the link.


MANCHESTER, N.H. —All five paid New Hampshire staffers at the pro-Ben Carson 2016 Committee super PAC quit their posts on Sunday to become volunteers for U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, WMUR.com has learned.


http://www.wmur.com/politics/nh-staff-at-procarson-super-pac-quits-to-volunteer-for-cruz/37366860

Willow

 

[Be Well]

Feel free to fight Dr. Carson on this. I'm simply repeating what he has said and appears to believe. Whether it fits your preconceived narrative or not is irrelevant to me. Perhaps Gabriel called the Carson Camp and asked if it were true Dr. Carson was going home after the Iowa caucus? That was how CNN started this whole debacle. The misunderstanding was he was just getting a change of clothes, not dropping out.

And CNN DID speculate on air that Dr. Carson was dropping out because they received information from the Carson Camp that he was "going home" after the Iowa caucus.

Ummmm....nothing about preconceived narrative, just that Dan Gabriel, former CIA dude, lied in a tweet. But Cruz is fine with that as he's not going to do anything to the staffers. That okay with you? An important staff head dude lying in a tweet and then deleting it later? You find that ethical and above board?

 

[Jerry799]

Ummmm....nothing about preconceived narrative, just that Dan Gabriel, former CIA dude, lied in a tweet. But Cruz is fine with that as he's not going to do anything to the staffers. That okay with you? An important staff head dude lying in a tweet and then deleting it later? You find that ethical and above board?

Your certainly free to believe whatever you want. My simple point was that Dr. Carson doesn't share your conclusions. Reread what I wrote that it's equally plausible that Gabriel called the Carson camp and had the same information supplied to him that was misinterpreted as CNN did. It would also explain why it was deleted after the truth came out...and you don't fire people for making an honest mistake. My complaint is that CNN never even apologized for creating the furor, much less demanding the anchorwoman be fired. Gabriels prior employment is irrelevant, and he did NOT originate the misinformation. Your completely ignoring the fact that Dr. Carson looked into it and is blaming CNN as the cause of the furor, not Ted Cruz or his campaign staff.

 

[Be Well]

Your certainly free to believe whatever you want. My simple point was that Dr. Carson doesn't share your conclusions. Reread what I wrote that it's equally plausible that Gabriel called the Carson camp and had the same information supplied to him that was misinterpreted as CNN did. It would also explain why it was deleted after the truth came out...and you don't fire people for making an honest mistake. My complaint is that CNN never even apologized for creating the furor, much less demanding the anchorwoman be fired. Gabriels prior employment is irrelevant, and he did NOT originate the misinformation. Your completely ignoring the fact that Dr. Carson looked into it and is blaming CNN as the cause of the furor, not Ted Cruz or his campaign staff.

People are really going to be tying themselves into pretzels to continue to support Cruz' dirty tricks.