ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

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The inclusion of F16s in the Ukrainian Air Force means less than nothing. It is a competent-but-elderly aircraft design, being fifty-plus years old. Fitting it with enhanced, modern missiles will certainly increase its attack potential, but it is the missiles and not the airplane that increases its threat potential.

I strongly suspect that, just as the Russians have dealt with the best tanks that Europe and the US have provided, the F16s will prove to be an over-hyped failure in actual combat.

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Plain Jane

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Romania To Host Largest NATO Military Base in Europe​


Madalin Necsutu
Chisinau
BIRN
March 21, 202411:40
Work has begun on expanding the Mihail Kogalniceanu base in Romania, transforming it into the largest NATO military base in Europe.

The military base at Mihail Kogqlniceanu, Constanta, southeast Romania, on the Black Sea coast, will become the largest NATO military base in Europe and will surpass the US military base in Ramstein, Germany, in size.

The new base will give Romania an increased role in NATO’s security architecture and a position of greater strength in the Black Sea, which is militarily dominated by Russia. It will be able to host 10,000 soldiers and civilians by 2030.

NATO and the US will relocate some logistics and human resources from Ramstein to the Mihail Kogalniceanu base.

Expansion works will cost 2.7 billion US dollars and work on access roads and a high-capacity electrical network has already started. Romanian authorities have expropriated 2,400 hectares from the localities of Mihail Kogalniceanu and Lumina, paying 5,500 euros per hectare.

“Social housing will be built for individual personnel or families. There will be block-type housing, individual housing, nurseries, kindergartens, schools, pharmacies, everything that is needed,” the commander of Mihail Kogalniceanu, Nicolae Cretu, said.

Covering an area of almost 3,000 hectares, the base will be the largest in Europe. Ramstein in Germany covers about 2,000 hectares.

The airport’s current runway will be doubled and served by fuel depots and several hangars for various types of fighter jets and drones. NATO’s plans include the construction of one more runway for aircraft.

In addition to new military infrastructure, the Kogalniceanu base will include schools, kindergartens, shops and a hospital.

General Virgil Balaceanu, President of the Association of Reserve Officers and former representative of Romania at NATO Command in Brussels, told Radio Romania that Ukraine and the war there are not far from Romania.

With war on its borders, he said Romania must consider worst-case scenarios, and strengthening the country’s defence and deterrence position is essential.

In recent years, Romania has invested massively in defence. For 2024, the army will have a budget of over 20 billion euros, 45 per cent higher than in 2023. The money is intended primarily for the purchase of modern weaponry.

According to data made public, including the amount spent in 2023, over five years that include 2027, Romania will invest almost 320 billion lei in the military, or about 65 billion euros.
 

Housecarl

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Russian network that 'paid European politicians' busted, authorities claim​

6 hours ago
By Ido Vock,BBC News

A Russian-backed "propaganda" network has been broken up for spreading anti-Ukraine stories and paying unnamed European politicians, according to authorities in several countries.

Investigators claimed it used the popular Voice of Europe website as a vehicle to pay politicians.

The Czech Republic and Poland said the network aimed to influence European politics.

Voice of Europe did not respond to the BBC's request for comment.

Czech media, citing intelligence sources, reported that politicians from Germany, France, Poland, Belgium, the Netherlands and Hungary were paid by Voice of Europe in order to influence upcoming elections for the European Parliament.

The German newspaper Der Spiegel said the money was either handed over in cash in covert meetings in Prague or through cryptocurrency exchanges.

Pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Medvedchuk is alleged by the Czech Republic to be behind the network.

Mr Medvedchuk was arrested in Ukraine soon after the Russian invasion, but later transferred to Russia with about 50 prisoners of war in exchange for 215 Ukrainians.

Czech authorities also named Artyom Marchevsky, alleging he managed the day-to-day business of the website. Both men were sanctioned by Czech authorities.

Poland's intelligence agency said it had conducted searches in the Warsaw and Tychy regions and seized €48,500 (£41,500) and $36,000 (£28,500).

"Money from Moscow has been used to pay some political actors who spread Russian propaganda," BIS said in a statement.

It added that the sums amounted to "millions" of Czech crowns (tens of thousands of pounds).

The alleged propaganda network "aimed to carry out activities against the territorial integrity, sovereignty and independence of Ukraine," BIS said.

BIS did not name the politicians allegedly involved. However, Belgian Prime Minister Alexander De Croo alleged they included members of the European Parliament.

"It came for example to light that Russia has approached MEPs, but also paid [them], to promote Russian propaganda here," Mr De Croo told Belgian MPs.

The Voice of Europe website was offline on Thursday. An archived version of its homepage showed several articles highlighting internal divisions within European countries and expressing scepticism about support for Ukraine.

These included: "Protest in Prague: people's voice against corruption, military support for Ukraine, and government", and "Ukraine's army faces a mounting troop shortage amid ongoing challenges".

Voice of Europe had more than 180,000 followers on Twitter/X. The publication did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

Kate rumours linked to Russian disinformation​


How Russia pushed false claims about Moscow attack​

 

Housecarl

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Wed, 03/27/2024 - 6:53am
Ukrainian F-16s and All NATO Aircraft Should Be Properly Armed with Precision-Guided Cluster Munitions- JSOW and WCMD Weapons

By Daniel Rice, MSeD​

F-16s will soon be arriving in Ukraine. That is publicly available information. What is not known, is what armaments packages they will bring- what rockets, missiles, electronic warfare, navigation systems and bombs they will carry. We have, in the past, sent in weapons platforms with the suboptimal weapons for the Ukrainian mission, and we should not make that mistake again with the F-16s.

As an example, in 2022 Ukraine began receiving NATO standard 155mm artillery systems from France, UK, Germany, US and others, of all types. However, the ammunition was 155mm High Explosive (HE), not cluster munitions. It wasn’t until November 2022, that cluster artillery shells from Turkey for 155mm Howitzers started arriving with 3,500 rounds in the Battle of Bakhmut. These Turkish shells were limited in quantify.
In summer 2023, President Biden supported a bi-partisan support from the House and Senate to provide US supplied 155mm DPICM in larger quantities. These are precise artillery shells that will be fired upon only Russian military targets in Ukraine occupied territory.

Another example, in the summer of 2022, Ukraine started receiving HIMARs M142 rocket launchers from the US and M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) from the US, Netherlands, United Kingdom and Germany. But the rockets they received were all unity rockets with a single explosive. Ukraine started receiving these in June 2022, and did not receive cluster artillery rockets and missiles for these systems until October 2023. In October 2023, HIMARS cluster rockets and missiles, (M-26 and M-39 series respectively) appeared on the battlefield unannounced and had incredible effects immediately with two strikes on Russian airfields that destroyed a reported 24 Russian Alligator attack helicopters.

Each of these cluster munitions systems were delayed by months and years, due to political delays. And those delays cost Ukrainian lives and momentum. And extended the war.

F-16s were delayed due to politics. When they finally do arrive, over two years after the start of the war, they should come fully armed with the right weapons. The F-16 has nine “hard points” that can carry air-to-air missiles, air-to-ground missiles, bombs, electronic countermeasures (EW) and weapons and navigation pods.

Two of the weapons that should be approved so that the Ukrainian pilots can be trained in their application, are precision guided cluster munitions, the Wind Corrected Weapons Dispenser (WCMD) or AGM-145 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW). The AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) is a 1,000 lb air to ground missile with 145 BLU-97 submunitions. The JSOW has a 12 to 63 mile standoff range.

The WCMD is a Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser which converts previously “dumb” air to ground cluster munitions into a very accurate weapon capable of hitting targets within 26 meters (85 feet) by using an Inertial Navigation System (INS). This can convert a whole series of cluster munitions such as CBU-87, CBU-89 and CBU-97.

The U.S. has an extensive inventory of the CBU series cluster munitions. All of these weapons are both anti-personnel and anti-armor. These weapons can be devastating to Russian front line troops especially in Russian offensive operations when they are exposed.

Arming F-16s will give Ukraine increased range and capabilities to inflect losses on large Russian troops formations, command and control and supply depots throughout temporarily occupied Ukraine. These weapons also have a ‘standoff’ range between 20 km and 100 kilometers. This means the aircraft do not necessarily have to fly over enemy controlled airspace and can send these precision weapons from a safer zone and let them glide into enemy territory to precisely hit Russian targets with an area weapon, with maximum effect.

The war has become a war of attrition, and cluster munitions, being the most lethal, are one of the best ways to increase Russian casualties. The artillery howitzers, HIMARS rocket launchers, and F-16s should all have large quantities of cluster munitions to destroy Russian units in large numbers, to deny the Russians the use of the temporarily occupied territories, until they leave Ukraine to the 1991 borders.

If Russian forces attack the Scandinavian or Baltic Countries, and trigger Article V “an attack on one is an attack on all”, Pilots from all NATO countries will be obligated to defend the country or countries that is being attacked. It would be ludicrous to limit their weaponry, based on whether Russia attacked Estonia/Latvia vs Lithuania. If they are flying a sortie over the border of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, they should not have to determine over which border they can use, which weapons.

Lithuania and Norway are the only two NATO countries that border Russia and have ratified the Cluster Munitions Convention. They should voluntarily abandon this Convention to show a unity of support allowing all NATO countries to send their pilots in with the best, most lethal weapons for the Mission, Enemy, Time, Terrain, Troops &Civilian Considerations (METT-TC) as determined by their commanders.

Cluster munitions received an unfair “demonization” from the Cluster Munitions Convention of Oslo in 2008. Any weapon, if used indiscriminately against civilians, is a war crime and illegal. The Russian army is using all types of weapons, littering and contaminating Ukrainian land with unexploded ordnance (UXOs) with extremely high “dud rates”. The Russians do not care. If they win the war, they will not clear the land of unexploded ordnance. If they lose the war, they hope the Ukrainians cannot use the land. Ukraine wants to win the war, then clear the land of unexploded ordnance and live in peace.

If NATO is attacked, all NATO aircraft should be armed with the best armaments to defend all of NATO, and cluster munitions are one of those weapons.

These cluster bombs will help them achieve that objective.


About the Author(s)​


Dan Rice
Dan Rice is a 1988 graduate of West Point and is the President of the American University Kyiv and the Co-President of Thayer Leadership at West Point. He holds an MBA from Kellogg/Northwestern, a master’s in journalism and Marketing from Medill/Northwestern, a Masters of Education from the University of Pennsylvania and has completed all doctoral classes in Leadership from the University of Pennsylvania. He served in the Infantry in combat in Iraq in 2004-2005. Dan served as Special Advisor to the Commander in Chief of Ukraine Armed Forces (May 2022-March 2023) as an unpaid volunteer. He has been the primary advocate for Cluster Munitions for Ukraine and received the Saint Barbara’s Medal in 2023 for his advocacy that helped gain cluster artillery shells in July 2023, and then cluster rockets and missiles in October 2023.
 

Abert

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Wed, 03/27/2024 - 6:53am
Ukrainian F-16s and All NATO Aircraft Should Be Properly Armed with Precision-Guided Cluster Munitions- JSOW and WCMD Weapons

By Daniel Rice, MSeD​

F-16s will soon be arriving in Ukraine. That is publicly available information. What is not known, is what armaments packages they will bring- what rockets, missiles, electronic warfare, navigation systems and bombs they will carry. We have, in the past, sent in weapons platforms with the suboptimal weapons for the Ukrainian mission, and we should not make that mistake again with the F-16s.

As an example, in 2022 Ukraine began receiving NATO standard 155mm artillery systems from France, UK, Germany, US and others, of all types. However, the ammunition was 155mm High Explosive (HE), not cluster munitions. It wasn’t until November 2022, that cluster artillery shells from Turkey for 155mm Howitzers started arriving with 3,500 rounds in the Battle of Bakhmut. These Turkish shells were limited in quantify.
In summer 2023, President Biden supported a bi-partisan support from the House and Senate to provide US supplied 155mm DPICM in larger quantities. These are precise artillery shells that will be fired upon only Russian military targets in Ukraine occupied territory.

Another example, in the summer of 2022, Ukraine started receiving HIMARs M142 rocket launchers from the US and M270 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS) from the US, Netherlands, United Kingdom and Germany. But the rockets they received were all unity rockets with a single explosive. Ukraine started receiving these in June 2022, and did not receive cluster artillery rockets and missiles for these systems until October 2023. In October 2023, HIMARS cluster rockets and missiles, (M-26 and M-39 series respectively) appeared on the battlefield unannounced and had incredible effects immediately with two strikes on Russian airfields that destroyed a reported 24 Russian Alligator attack helicopters.

Each of these cluster munitions systems were delayed by months and years, due to political delays. And those delays cost Ukrainian lives and momentum. And extended the war.

F-16s were delayed due to politics. When they finally do arrive, over two years after the start of the war, they should come fully armed with the right weapons. The F-16 has nine “hard points” that can carry air-to-air missiles, air-to-ground missiles, bombs, electronic countermeasures (EW) and weapons and navigation pods.

Two of the weapons that should be approved so that the Ukrainian pilots can be trained in their application, are precision guided cluster munitions, the Wind Corrected Weapons Dispenser (WCMD) or AGM-145 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW). The AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW) is a 1,000 lb air to ground missile with 145 BLU-97 submunitions. The JSOW has a 12 to 63 mile standoff range.

The WCMD is a Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser which converts previously “dumb” air to ground cluster munitions into a very accurate weapon capable of hitting targets within 26 meters (85 feet) by using an Inertial Navigation System (INS). This can convert a whole series of cluster munitions such as CBU-87, CBU-89 and CBU-97.

The U.S. has an extensive inventory of the CBU series cluster munitions. All of these weapons are both anti-personnel and anti-armor. These weapons can be devastating to Russian front line troops especially in Russian offensive operations when they are exposed.

Arming F-16s will give Ukraine increased range and capabilities to inflect losses on large Russian troops formations, command and control and supply depots throughout temporarily occupied Ukraine. These weapons also have a ‘standoff’ range between 20 km and 100 kilometers. This means the aircraft do not necessarily have to fly over enemy controlled airspace and can send these precision weapons from a safer zone and let them glide into enemy territory to precisely hit Russian targets with an area weapon, with maximum effect.

The war has become a war of attrition, and cluster munitions, being the most lethal, are one of the best ways to increase Russian casualties. The artillery howitzers, HIMARS rocket launchers, and F-16s should all have large quantities of cluster munitions to destroy Russian units in large numbers, to deny the Russians the use of the temporarily occupied territories, until they leave Ukraine to the 1991 borders.

If Russian forces attack the Scandinavian or Baltic Countries, and trigger Article V “an attack on one is an attack on all”, Pilots from all NATO countries will be obligated to defend the country or countries that is being attacked. It would be ludicrous to limit their weaponry, based on whether Russia attacked Estonia/Latvia vs Lithuania. If they are flying a sortie over the border of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, they should not have to determine over which border they can use, which weapons.

Lithuania and Norway are the only two NATO countries that border Russia and have ratified the Cluster Munitions Convention. They should voluntarily abandon this Convention to show a unity of support allowing all NATO countries to send their pilots in with the best, most lethal weapons for the Mission, Enemy, Time, Terrain, Troops &Civilian Considerations (METT-TC) as determined by their commanders.

Cluster munitions received an unfair “demonization” from the Cluster Munitions Convention of Oslo in 2008. Any weapon, if used indiscriminately against civilians, is a war crime and illegal. The Russian army is using all types of weapons, littering and contaminating Ukrainian land with unexploded ordnance (UXOs) with extremely high “dud rates”. The Russians do not care. If they win the war, they will not clear the land of unexploded ordnance. If they lose the war, they hope the Ukrainians cannot use the land. Ukraine wants to win the war, then clear the land of unexploded ordnance and live in peace.

If NATO is attacked, all NATO aircraft should be armed with the best armaments to defend all of NATO, and cluster munitions are one of those weapons.

These cluster bombs will help them achieve that objective.


About the Author(s)​


Dan Rice
Dan Rice is a 1988 graduate of West Point and is the President of the American University Kyiv and the Co-President of Thayer Leadership at West Point. He holds an MBA from Kellogg/Northwestern, a master’s in journalism and Marketing from Medill/Northwestern, a Masters of Education from the University of Pennsylvania and has completed all doctoral classes in Leadership from the University of Pennsylvania. He served in the Infantry in combat in Iraq in 2004-2005. Dan served as Special Advisor to the Commander in Chief of Ukraine Armed Forces (May 2022-March 2023) as an unpaid volunteer. He has been the primary advocate for Cluster Munitions for Ukraine and received the Saint Barbara’s Medal in 2023 for his advocacy that helped gain cluster artillery shells in July 2023, and then cluster rockets and missiles in October 2023.
No question an impressive list of what MIGHT be provided. The F-16 while almost a 50 year old design has gone through a number of upgrades - including even being Nuke capable. The first 16-19 Danish F-16's have had 2 "life extensions" certifications - the max allowed so they are likely older versions. There has been little to no information as to how these Jets are configured - which is a good clue as to what they don't have. But even if they are top of the line - latest upgrades with the best of weapons (as listed above) there are still only 19! If we were talking a hundred or so that would make some impact. But just 19 additional jets (even X-Wing Fighters) will not turn this war around. As noted again too little - too late. We got the same PR SPIN with the German "Cats" and the American Abrams -we all know how that turned out (the luckily ones are on their way to Russian War Museums)

Then we have the SMALL problem of where to put these Jets - the likely Air Field in Western Ukraine (20 miles from Poland) appears to be the home base. Russia hit it last week - twice - cratered the runway and destroyed some buildings where F-16's could have been stored. If not last week - for sure if and when they arrive.

Well in a month? or so we should see a few in action - without question any mission they go on - and return from. Will be front page news. But like the other jets Ukraine had - eventually they will be taken out. In the end a Jet is just a Jet nothing magic about F-16's
 

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Please note that Polish and allied aircraft operate in Polish airspace, which may result in increased noise levels, especially in the south-eastern part of the country.

Tonight, intense long-range aviation activity of the Russian Federation is being observed, related to missile strikes against objects located on the territory of Ukraine.

All necessary procedures to ensure the safety of Polish airspace have been launched, and DO RSZ is monitoring the situation on an ongoing basis.
 

jward

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apnews.com


Putin says he won't start a war with NATO. But Western bases hosting Ukraine F-16s would be targets​


By ILLIA NOVIKOV and BARRY HATTON

6–8 minutes


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin scoffed at the possibility of his country launching an attack on a NATO member, calling it “sheer nonsense,” but warned that any Western air base hosting U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets that are slated for deployment in Ukraine would be a “legitimate target” for the Kremlin’s forces.
“Their statements about our alleged intention to attack Europe after Ukraine is sheer nonsense,” Putin said late Wednesday, referring to warnings in the U.S. and Western Europe that Russia could turn its sights on other countries unless it’s stopped.
He noted that the U.S. defense budget is more than 10 times higher than Russia’s.
“In view of that, are we going to wage a war against NATO? It’s ravings,” he told military pilots during a visit to an air base.
Ukraine is awaiting the delivery of F-16s, which will increase military pressure on Russia, from its Western partners. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said last year that 42 F-16s had been promised. Ukrainian pilots have been training in the West for months on how to fly the warplanes.

The F-16s require a high standard of runways and reinforced hangars to protect them from bombing attacks when they are on the ground. It’s not clear how many Ukrainian air bases can meet those requirements, and Russia would be certain to quickly target a few that could accommodate them once the jets arrive.
Putin warned Ukraine’s Western allies against providing air bases in their countries from where the F-16s could launch sorties against the Kremlin’s forces. Those bases would become a “legitimate target,” he said.

“F-16s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, and we will also need to take that into account while organizing our combat operations,” Putin added.
Military analysts have said the arrival of F-16s won’t be a game-changer in view of Russia’s massive air force and sophisticated air defense systems, though Ukrainian officials have welcomed them as an opportunity to hit back at Russia’s air dominance.

Putin insisted the F-16s “won’t change the situation on the battlefield.”
“We will destroy their warplanes just as we destroy their tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, including multiple rocket launchers,” he said.
F-16s can be used to bolster Ukraine’s capability to target Russian facilities with long-range missile strikes. Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year came up short in part because it took place without air cover, placing its troops at the mercy of Russian aviation and artillery.
Russia has maintained air dominance in the war with Ukraine, though the provision of sophisticated Western air defense systems has forced Russian warplanes to avoid Ukrainian skies and launch attacks while remaining over Russia-controlled territory.
On Thursday, a Russian fighter jet crashed into the Black Sea off the Russia-occupied Crimean Peninsula, Sevastopol Gov. Mikhail Razvozhayev said. The pilot ejected and was recovered by rescue teams about 200 meters from shore, he said. Razvozhayev provided no details about the possible cause of the crash.

The Kremlin currently has a battlefield edge in weapons and troops, yielding recent incremental gains at points on the around 1,000-kilometer (620-mile) front line, as Kyiv awaits more promised Western military support and mulls a broader mobilization.
Russia fired salvos of drones and missiles overnight at southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, authorities said Thursday, wounding more than a dozen people as the Kremlin’s forces persevered with attritional attacks designed to wear down Ukrainian defenses.
Air defense systems intercepted 26 out of 28 Shahed drones, Ukraine’s air force said. Russian forces also launched five missiles overnight, it said.
The regular bombardment of Ukraine by the Kremlin’s forces during the war has recently gained momentum, with missile barrages of the capital, Kyiv, and strikes on energy facilities across the country. The attacks also aim to weaken Ukrainian morale and act as retribution for Ukrainian long-range strikes on Russian soil.

One of Russia’s goals is to “deplete Ukraine’s inventory of ground-based air defense,” according to a recent military assessment published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
That would erode some of Ukraine’s combat ability as it waits on pledged but delayed military support from the West, including ammunition for its artillery and air defenses.
“Kyiv is confronted by the threat that an attritional war in the air domain will increasingly favor Russia without adequate support from the U.S. and its allies,” the IISS said. “Ukraine’s ability to continue to counter Russian air threats and impose costs on the Russian Aerospace Forces remains important to the outcome of the war.”
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Defense Minister Rustan Umerov both pleaded with foreign allies on Thursday to send more air defense systems and missiles.

The Ukrainian Mission to NATO said that it convened an extraordinary ambassador-level meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council at the alliance’s headquarters on Thursday in response to Russia’s missile attacks on critical infrastructure.
“Ukraine urgently requires more air defense and interceptors,” especially Patriot systems that can intercept ballistic missiles, Kuleba said in a video posted on X, formerly Twitter. Ukraine is the only country in the world targeted by ballistic missiles almost daily, he said.
Authorities in the Mykolaiv region, near the Black Sea in southern Ukraine, said that 12 people were wounded and six residential buildings were damaged in a Russian strike with a ballistic missile on the city on Wednesday afternoon.
In an overnight attack on the southern Ukraine region of Zaporizhzhia, Shahed drones struck a residential area, injuring two women ages 72 and 74, according to regional Gov. Ivan Fedorov. Rescue services said that seven buildings were damaged.
The Black Sea city of Odesa repelled three missile and drone attacks, officials said.

___​

Barry Hatton reported from Lisbon, Portugal.

___​

Follow AP’s coverage of the war in Ukraine at https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine

 

Abert

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Like the F-16's - another - Game Changing - Wonder Weapon - they all look good on paper


The Challenger 2 lacks mobility

One Ukrainian Challenger 2 crew member told The Sun the tank’s 1,200-horsepower engine is under-powered for a 71-ton vehicle. Challenger 2s often get bogged down in Ukraine’s soft soil and need towing by other Challengers or engineering vehicles.

In the heat of combat, when towing isn’t always possible, a stuck Challenger 2 is a vulnerable Challenger 2.
A Ukrainian Challenger 2 with add-on slats on its frontal hull.


Its protection is lacking
Since its first combat campaign, in Bosnia in the 1990s, the Challenger 2 in British service always has deployed with add-on armor on the sides of the hull and the lower frontal plate. And for good reason: these spots are where the baseline Challenger 2—which was designed to fight straight ahead while dug in—is most vulnerable.

Ukraine never got these add-on armor kits, probably because the extra three tons of weight would make Ukrainian Challenger 2s even less mobile on soft ground. The Ukrainians instead have added lightweight slat armor to their Challenger 2s’ most vulnerable aspects.

The slats might help mitigate strikes by drones and handheld anti-tank weapons, but heavier munitions should blast right through.


The Challenger 2 has a unique main gun
The Challenger 2’s L30 120-millimeter cannon is a problem. In contrast to the smoothbore cannons on contemporary Western tanks, the L30 is rifled. Its ammunition isn’t compatible with other tank guns, so the Ukrainians must maintain a separate logistical system just to keep 13 Challenger 2s shooting.

While a smoothbore L44 tank cannon has a useful life of up to 1,500 rounds, a rifled L30A1 wears out after 500 rounds. This is especially problematic because the 82nd Brigade—apparently worried about its tanks getting mired—has been keeping them miles behind the front line and using them like mobile howitzers.

A howitzer wants to shoot a lot. But that’s something the Challenger 2 can’t do without wearing out its main gun.


UPDATE:
Hot things change in only a year (May 2023)- from the SPIN to Reality
 
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Housecarl

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apnews.com


Putin says he won't start a war with NATO. But Western bases hosting Ukraine F-16s would be targets​


By ILLIA NOVIKOV and BARRY HATTON

6–8 minutes


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin scoffed at the possibility of his country launching an attack on a NATO member, calling it “sheer nonsense,” but warned that any Western air base hosting U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets that are slated for deployment in Ukraine would be a “legitimate target” for the Kremlin’s forces.
“Their statements about our alleged intention to attack Europe after Ukraine is sheer nonsense,” Putin said late Wednesday, referring to warnings in the U.S. and Western Europe that Russia could turn its sights on other countries unless it’s stopped.
He noted that the U.S. defense budget is more than 10 times higher than Russia’s.
“In view of that, are we going to wage a war against NATO? It’s ravings,” he told military pilots during a visit to an air base.
Ukraine is awaiting the delivery of F-16s, which will increase military pressure on Russia, from its Western partners. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said last year that 42 F-16s had been promised. Ukrainian pilots have been training in the West for months on how to fly the warplanes.

The F-16s require a high standard of runways and reinforced hangars to protect them from bombing attacks when they are on the ground. It’s not clear how many Ukrainian air bases can meet those requirements, and Russia would be certain to quickly target a few that could accommodate them once the jets arrive.
Putin warned Ukraine’s Western allies against providing air bases in their countries from where the F-16s could launch sorties against the Kremlin’s forces. Those bases would become a “legitimate target,” he said.

“F-16s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, and we will also need to take that into account while organizing our combat operations,” Putin added.
Military analysts have said the arrival of F-16s won’t be a game-changer in view of Russia’s massive air force and sophisticated air defense systems, though Ukrainian officials have welcomed them as an opportunity to hit back at Russia’s air dominance.

Putin insisted the F-16s “won’t change the situation on the battlefield.”
“We will destroy their warplanes just as we destroy their tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, including multiple rocket launchers,” he said.
F-16s can be used to bolster Ukraine’s capability to target Russian facilities with long-range missile strikes. Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year came up short in part because it took place without air cover, placing its troops at the mercy of Russian aviation and artillery.
Russia has maintained air dominance in the war with Ukraine, though the provision of sophisticated Western air defense systems has forced Russian warplanes to avoid Ukrainian skies and launch attacks while remaining over Russia-controlled territory.
On Thursday, a Russian fighter jet crashed into the Black Sea off the Russia-occupied Crimean Peninsula, Sevastopol Gov. Mikhail Razvozhayev said. The pilot ejected and was recovered by rescue teams about 200 meters from shore, he said. Razvozhayev provided no details about the possible cause of the crash.

The Kremlin currently has a battlefield edge in weapons and troops, yielding recent incremental gains at points on the around 1,000-kilometer (620-mile) front line, as Kyiv awaits more promised Western military support and mulls a broader mobilization.
Russia fired salvos of drones and missiles overnight at southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, authorities said Thursday, wounding more than a dozen people as the Kremlin’s forces persevered with attritional attacks designed to wear down Ukrainian defenses.
Air defense systems intercepted 26 out of 28 Shahed drones, Ukraine’s air force said. Russian forces also launched five missiles overnight, it said.
The regular bombardment of Ukraine by the Kremlin’s forces during the war has recently gained momentum, with missile barrages of the capital, Kyiv, and strikes on energy facilities across the country. The attacks also aim to weaken Ukrainian morale and act as retribution for Ukrainian long-range strikes on Russian soil.

One of Russia’s goals is to “deplete Ukraine’s inventory of ground-based air defense,” according to a recent military assessment published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
That would erode some of Ukraine’s combat ability as it waits on pledged but delayed military support from the West, including ammunition for its artillery and air defenses.
“Kyiv is confronted by the threat that an attritional war in the air domain will increasingly favor Russia without adequate support from the U.S. and its allies,” the IISS said. “Ukraine’s ability to continue to counter Russian air threats and impose costs on the Russian Aerospace Forces remains important to the outcome of the war.”
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Defense Minister Rustan Umerov both pleaded with foreign allies on Thursday to send more air defense systems and missiles.

The Ukrainian Mission to NATO said that it convened an extraordinary ambassador-level meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council at the alliance’s headquarters on Thursday in response to Russia’s missile attacks on critical infrastructure.
“Ukraine urgently requires more air defense and interceptors,” especially Patriot systems that can intercept ballistic missiles, Kuleba said in a video posted on X, formerly Twitter. Ukraine is the only country in the world targeted by ballistic missiles almost daily, he said.
Authorities in the Mykolaiv region, near the Black Sea in southern Ukraine, said that 12 people were wounded and six residential buildings were damaged in a Russian strike with a ballistic missile on the city on Wednesday afternoon.
In an overnight attack on the southern Ukraine region of Zaporizhzhia, Shahed drones struck a residential area, injuring two women ages 72 and 74, according to regional Gov. Ivan Fedorov. Rescue services said that seven buildings were damaged.
The Black Sea city of Odesa repelled three missile and drone attacks, officials said.

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Barry Hatton reported from Lisbon, Portugal.

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Follow AP’s coverage of the war in Ukraine at https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine


Putin and the "West" have been trying to have their cake and eat it too from the beginning. That things have lasted this long without things really escalating is a wonderment.
 

Housecarl

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Like the F-16's - another - Game Changing - Wonder Weapon - they all look good on paper


The Challenger 2 lacks mobility

One Ukrainian Challenger 2 crew member told The Sun the tank’s 1,200-horsepower engine is under-powered for a 71-ton vehicle. Challenger 2s often get bogged down in Ukraine’s soft soil and need towing by other Challengers or engineering vehicles.

In the heat of combat, when towing isn’t always possible, a stuck Challenger 2 is a vulnerable Challenger 2.
A Ukrainian Challenger 2 with add-on slats on its frontal hull.


Its protection is lacking
Since its first combat campaign, in Bosnia in the 1990s, the Challenger 2 in British service always has deployed with add-on armor on the sides of the hull and the lower frontal plate. And for good reason: these spots are where the baseline Challenger 2—which was designed to fight straight ahead while dug in—is most vulnerable.

Ukraine never got these add-on armor kits, probably because the extra three tons of weight would make Ukrainian Challenger 2s even less mobile on soft ground. The Ukrainians instead have added lightweight slat armor to their Challenger 2s’ most vulnerable aspects.

The slats might help mitigate strikes by drones and handheld anti-tank weapons, but heavier munitions should blast right through.


The Challenger 2 has a unique main gun
The Challenger 2’s L30 120-millimeter cannon is a problem. In contrast to the smoothbore cannons on contemporary Western tanks, the L30 is rifled. Its ammunition isn’t compatible with other tank guns, so the Ukrainians must maintain a separate logistical system just to keep 13 Challenger 2s shooting.

While a smoothbore L44 tank cannon has a useful life of up to 1,500 rounds, a rifled L30A1 wears out after 500 rounds. This is especially problematic because the 82nd Brigade—apparently worried about its tanks getting mired—has been keeping them miles behind the front line and using them like mobile howitzers.

A howitzer wants to shoot a lot. But that’s something the Challenger 2 can’t do without wearing out its main gun.

That assumes a Challenger 2 in heavy combat would last long enough operationally to fire 500 main gun rounds no matter who's operating it.
 

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JUST IN - Ukraine imposes blackouts in three regions of the country after Russian strikes damaged several power plants

8:53 AM · Mar 29, 2024
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jward

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Poland suspends the Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe

This means that Warsaw will no longer comply with the provisions of the treaty regarding the number of armed forces and their locations.
 

jward

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@visegrad24
BREAKING:

Estonian PM @kajakallas
is withdrawing her candidacy for becoming the next NATO Secretary General.

It’s now almost certain that Dutch PM Mark Rutte will be elected instead.

Kallas was viewed as “too Eastern” & “too hawkish on Russia”

Rutte is “more predictable”
 

jward

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Europe has moved into the pre-war era, this has not happened since 1945 - Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk

"What is most alarming now is that literally any scenario is possible. We haven't experienced a situation like this since 1945. I know it sounds crushing, especially for people of the younger generation, but we must morally get used to the new era. We are in pre-war times. I'm not exaggerating. Every day it is more and more evident," he told El pais.

He also urged Europeans to spend more on defense. In particular, he reminded about the need to allocate at least 2% of GDP to defense, according to the fundamental principle of NATO.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Ukraine may have had shut down additional grids due to strain on the system. Divert power from other areas to critical users.
Same difference - same root cause - power stations being taken out

What is noteworthy is that it appears Russia has changed its approach to their power grid. Last year all the strikes were on substations taking out the transformers (hard to replace) but never the generators. Now in the last few strikes the targets have been the generating systems. The Sredneprovskaya hydroelectric power station (dam), the Krivoy Rog thermal power plant, and the Dnieper thermal power plant. Some (unverified) reports claim up to 50% power loss - hard to say but as noted LIGHTS are out. One issue with the attack on the power grid - and likely a limiting factor - are the Nuke Plants. The Nuclear power plants often rely on grid power in their operation as such some convectional power will have to remain to support them.
 

mecoastie

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Same difference - same root cause - power stations being taken out

What is noteworthy is that it appears Russia has changed its approach to their power grid. Last year all the strikes were on substations taking out the transformers (hard to replace) but never the generators. Now in the last few strikes the targets have been the generating systems. The Sredneprovskaya hydroelectric power station (dam), the Krivoy Rog thermal power plant, and the Dnieper thermal power plant. Some (unverified) reports claim up to 50% power loss - hard to say but as noted LIGHTS are out. One issue with the attack on the power grid - and likely a limiting factor - are the Nuke Plants. The Nuclear power plants often rely on grid power in their operation as such some convectional power will have to remain to support them.

If you have plans to occupy some place you want to preserve the infrastructure. Transformers are easier to replace than plants. Somewhere along the line those plans have changed
 

jward

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March 29, 2024 2:24 pm CET
By Claudia Chiappa

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk warned that Europe is in a “pre-war era” but still has a “long way to go” before it's ready to face the threat ahead.

“I don't want to scare anyone, but war is no longer a concept from the past,” Tusk said in an interview with several European media outlets. "It is real, in fact it already started more than two years ago."

Tusk said what’s most worrying right now is that “literally any scenario is possible," adding that Europe has not faced a situation like this since 1945.

“I know it sounds devastating, especially to people of the younger generation, but we have to mentally get used to the arrival of a new era,” he said. “The pre-war era. I don’t exaggerate. This is becoming more and more apparent every day."

Amid Russia’s ongoing full-scale invasion of Ukraine, which started in February 2022, Western allies and top military officials have become increasingly worried about a potential spillover of violence — despite Russian President Vladimir Putin repeatedly denying any intentions to attack NATO.

Last week, a Russian missile entered Polish airspace, prompting Warsaw to activate F-16 fighter jets, in what Tusk called a “troubling incident.”

But while tumult is on the horizon, Tusk warned that Europe is not ready to face the threat.

“We must be ready. Europe still has a long way to go,” he said. The first step is for countries to meet NATO’s target of spending 2 percent of their GDP on defense, he added.

"Today we have to spend as much as we can to buy equipment and ammunition for Ukraine, because we are living in the most critical moment since the end of the Second World War," he said. "The next two years will decide everything. If we cannot support Ukraine with enough equipment and ammunition, if Ukraine loses, no one in Europe will be able to feel safe."

At the same time, Tusk welcomed the attitude adjustment that has prompted some European leaders, including French President Emmanuel Macron, to ring the alarm bell more loudly.

“When I was prime minister for the first time [2007-2011], nobody except ... Baltic states paid any attention to my warnings that Russia could be a threat,” he said. “Now, without particular satisfaction, I observe the changes that are taking place in all capitals in Europe.”

With U.S. presidential elections coming up at the end of the year, European leaders have grown increasingly concerned over the likelihood of another Donald Trump presidency, fearful he would withdraw from NATO and obstruct further assistance to Kyiv. But to Tusk, Europe's role remains unchanged no matter who's next in the White House.

"Whether [U.S. President] Joe Biden or Donald Trump wins the next election, it is Europe that needs to do more when it comes to defense," Tusk said.


NEXTA
@nexta_tv

Europe has moved into the pre-war era, this has not happened since 1945 - Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk

"What is most alarming now is that literally any scenario is possible. We haven't experienced a situation like this since 1945. I know it sounds crushing, especially for people of the younger generation, but we must morally get used to the new era. We are in pre-war times. I'm not exaggerating. Every day it is more and more evident," he told El pais.

He also urged Europeans to spend more on defense. In particular, he reminded about the need to allocate at least 2% of GDP to defense, according to the fundamental principle of NATO.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
If you have plans to occupy some place you want to preserve the infrastructure. Transformers are easier to replace than plants. Somewhere along the line those plans have changed
Good observation - best explanation being floated is - once under Russian Control - Russia has enough surplus electrical power they can export it to these regions. It appears Ukraine got some electrical power from the Russian grid prior to the SMO. Now they depend on the EU to supply it. And yes the primary transformers are almost as difficult to replace (1-2 years). Something has changed - sooner or later it will make sense - there is a reason.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
If striking power plants is a war crime why isn’t striking oil refineries?
Or non-military town centers. While technically it could be considered a "war crime" it is SOP for the US - does not make it right - but winter is over - more a PITA than causing 1000's to freeze.
 

Housecarl

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apnews.com


Putin says he won't start a war with NATO. But Western bases hosting Ukraine F-16s would be targets​


By ILLIA NOVIKOV and BARRY HATTON

6–8 minutes


KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin scoffed at the possibility of his country launching an attack on a NATO member, calling it “sheer nonsense,” but warned that any Western air base hosting U.S.-made F-16 fighter jets that are slated for deployment in Ukraine would be a “legitimate target” for the Kremlin’s forces.
“Their statements about our alleged intention to attack Europe after Ukraine is sheer nonsense,” Putin said late Wednesday, referring to warnings in the U.S. and Western Europe that Russia could turn its sights on other countries unless it’s stopped.
He noted that the U.S. defense budget is more than 10 times higher than Russia’s.
“In view of that, are we going to wage a war against NATO? It’s ravings,” he told military pilots during a visit to an air base.
Ukraine is awaiting the delivery of F-16s, which will increase military pressure on Russia, from its Western partners. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said last year that 42 F-16s had been promised. Ukrainian pilots have been training in the West for months on how to fly the warplanes.

The F-16s require a high standard of runways and reinforced hangars to protect them from bombing attacks when they are on the ground. It’s not clear how many Ukrainian air bases can meet those requirements, and Russia would be certain to quickly target a few that could accommodate them once the jets arrive.
Putin warned Ukraine’s Western allies against providing air bases in their countries from where the F-16s could launch sorties against the Kremlin’s forces. Those bases would become a “legitimate target,” he said.

“F-16s are capable of carrying nuclear weapons, and we will also need to take that into account while organizing our combat operations,” Putin added.
Military analysts have said the arrival of F-16s won’t be a game-changer in view of Russia’s massive air force and sophisticated air defense systems, though Ukrainian officials have welcomed them as an opportunity to hit back at Russia’s air dominance.

Putin insisted the F-16s “won’t change the situation on the battlefield.”
“We will destroy their warplanes just as we destroy their tanks, armored vehicles and other equipment, including multiple rocket launchers,” he said.
F-16s can be used to bolster Ukraine’s capability to target Russian facilities with long-range missile strikes. Ukraine’s counteroffensive last year came up short in part because it took place without air cover, placing its troops at the mercy of Russian aviation and artillery.
Russia has maintained air dominance in the war with Ukraine, though the provision of sophisticated Western air defense systems has forced Russian warplanes to avoid Ukrainian skies and launch attacks while remaining over Russia-controlled territory.
On Thursday, a Russian fighter jet crashed into the Black Sea off the Russia-occupied Crimean Peninsula, Sevastopol Gov. Mikhail Razvozhayev said. The pilot ejected and was recovered by rescue teams about 200 meters from shore, he said. Razvozhayev provided no details about the possible cause of the crash.

The Kremlin currently has a battlefield edge in weapons and troops, yielding recent incremental gains at points on the around 1,000-kilometer (620-mile) front line, as Kyiv awaits more promised Western military support and mulls a broader mobilization.
Russia fired salvos of drones and missiles overnight at southern and eastern regions of Ukraine, authorities said Thursday, wounding more than a dozen people as the Kremlin’s forces persevered with attritional attacks designed to wear down Ukrainian defenses.
Air defense systems intercepted 26 out of 28 Shahed drones, Ukraine’s air force said. Russian forces also launched five missiles overnight, it said.
The regular bombardment of Ukraine by the Kremlin’s forces during the war has recently gained momentum, with missile barrages of the capital, Kyiv, and strikes on energy facilities across the country. The attacks also aim to weaken Ukrainian morale and act as retribution for Ukrainian long-range strikes on Russian soil.

One of Russia’s goals is to “deplete Ukraine’s inventory of ground-based air defense,” according to a recent military assessment published by the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
That would erode some of Ukraine’s combat ability as it waits on pledged but delayed military support from the West, including ammunition for its artillery and air defenses.
“Kyiv is confronted by the threat that an attritional war in the air domain will increasingly favor Russia without adequate support from the U.S. and its allies,” the IISS said. “Ukraine’s ability to continue to counter Russian air threats and impose costs on the Russian Aerospace Forces remains important to the outcome of the war.”
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba and Defense Minister Rustan Umerov both pleaded with foreign allies on Thursday to send more air defense systems and missiles.

The Ukrainian Mission to NATO said that it convened an extraordinary ambassador-level meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Council at the alliance’s headquarters on Thursday in response to Russia’s missile attacks on critical infrastructure.
“Ukraine urgently requires more air defense and interceptors,” especially Patriot systems that can intercept ballistic missiles, Kuleba said in a video posted on X, formerly Twitter. Ukraine is the only country in the world targeted by ballistic missiles almost daily, he said.
Authorities in the Mykolaiv region, near the Black Sea in southern Ukraine, said that 12 people were wounded and six residential buildings were damaged in a Russian strike with a ballistic missile on the city on Wednesday afternoon.
In an overnight attack on the southern Ukraine region of Zaporizhzhia, Shahed drones struck a residential area, injuring two women ages 72 and 74, according to regional Gov. Ivan Fedorov. Rescue services said that seven buildings were damaged.
The Black Sea city of Odesa repelled three missile and drone attacks, officials said.

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Barry Hatton reported from Lisbon, Portugal.

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Follow AP’s coverage of the war in Ukraine at https://apnews.com/hub/russia-ukraine


All of the verbal pistol waving by Putin and his minions of escalation is going to play right into the machination of parties in DC and Brussels as well as other locations. This would give a lot of TPTB, the same that dragged this mess out thru their "advise", restrictions and throttling of supplies, the excuse to pull tags for Putin and his circle.
 

jward

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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
Despite multiple Reports which state that Russian Leadership including President Vladimir Putin know Ukraine had nothing to do with the Attack; Russia’s Investigative Committee for the March 22nd Terrorist Attack against the Crocus Concert Hall in Moscow stated yesterday that they have Discovered several “Proven Links” between the ISIS Terrorists in Custody and Ukraine, with them claiming that the Terrorists admitted to receiving a Significant amount of Cryptocurrency from Ukrainian Sources and that after the Attack they were Escaping to Kyiv to “Receive their Reward.”
 

jward

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Donald Trump Jr. and J Michael Waller follow
Clandestine
@WarClandestine

⚠️ALERT⚠️

Russian Security Services (FSB) have reported that they foiled an upcoming terror attack in the south of the country.

FSB arrested three men from a “Central Asian Country”.

FSB allege the men planned to set off an explosion in a public place near Stavropol. FSB claim they found improvised explosive devices and chemical substances at the residence.

It appears that Russia may have found a trail leading them to other planned attacks, likely by the same entity pulling the strings.
View: https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1773798046129610853?s=20
 

Housecarl

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Hummm......

Posted for fair use......

Opinion

OPINION - Vladimir Putin may be weeks away from a breakthrough in Ukraine but the West is asleep​


Robert Fox
Thu, March 28, 2024 at 11:00 a.m. PDT·2 min read

There is a growing understanding across the Western allies that Ukraine is losing the ground war against Russia, and by summer could face defeat.

Russia is pounding front lines with artillery, rocket and drone fire — and at over five times the rate the Ukrainian army can reply. Volodymyr Zelensky’s troops are exhausted — after sustaining in some sectors a heavier concentration of incoming artillery than at the Somme in 1916, or the Normandy Bocage after D-Day in 1944.

The Western response has been patchy to the prospect of a Russian breakthrough within weeks. Artillery stocks, even for their own arsenals in the cases of Britain, Germany and the US, will not be replenished fully for another two years. Germany has increased defence spending but refuses to send game-changing weapons like the Taurus missile.

The allies in Nato and the EU need to have a coordinated strategy to head off disaster in Ukraine right now. If Zelensky is defeated, Kyiv and Odesa reduced to husks, the Western allies will have to do even more to respond. Vladimir Putin, in the wake of the Crocus City Hall massacre, has made it plain that his fight now is not only against the “neo-Nazi” Ukraine, but against the “neo-Nazi West”, of which the Kyiv regime is merely a brand leader.

Like Macbeth, Putin is so steeped in blood that going back would be as tedious as carrying on.

The Western alliance seems oddly at sixes and sevens. The American Ukraine policy is ensnared by congressional in-fighting. European partners like Germany, gas-strapped Italy and Spain covertly or overtly are looking for a soft deal with Russia.

The Baltics and the Nordic allies have taken up the role of Cassandra, full of foreboding and realism. They say, with plenty of evidence, that the Putin military regime won’t halt on the borders of Ukraine. Like Macbeth he is so steeped in blood that going back would be as tedious as carrying on.

Already he has lost 405,000 in two years of combat, and with 1.3 million committed to the war — with the prospect of calling up a further 1.5 million by 2027. Ukraine has lost about 385,000.

For Britain it is time for a reality check. Our governments boast we spend more than 2.1 per cent of GDP – but the figure only works if you include, pensions and the full range of welfare payments. A simple, practical defence review is needed within months from the next government taking office.

Sadly, the omens from Ukraine suggest that may be too late. We must realise now that the fate of Ukraine now governs the security of the Western world.

Robert Fox is the Evening Standard’s Defence Editor
 

Cedar Lake

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Same difference - same root cause - power stations being taken out

What is noteworthy is that it appears Russia has changed its approach to their power grid. Last year all the strikes were on substations taking out the transformers (hard to replace) but never the generators. Now in the last few strikes the targets have been the generating systems. The Sredneprovskaya hydroelectric power station (dam), the Krivoy Rog thermal power plant, and the Dnieper thermal power plant. Some (unverified) reports claim up to 50% power loss - hard to say but as noted LIGHTS are out. One issue with the attack on the power grid - and likely a limiting factor - are the Nuke Plants. The Nuclear power plants often rely on grid power in their operation as such some convectional power will have to remain to support them.
The attacks on energy generators are motivated by things like:
Make it harder for AFU to wage war with little or no access to energy.
Remove Ukraine's ability to export electricity to EU.
Now importing electricity from Europe.
Makes domestic weapons production impossible.
Internet down. Gov't closed..
No electric trains. Diesel only.
Europe's nato forces eating MRE's left over from Afghanistan, yummy.
No cooking, natural gas compressor stations down.
Etc....
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
It is not the target that defines a war crime it is who does the attacking that defines a war crime.
Just as the winner writes the history (at least for the first few decades until alternative narratives surface), the tribunals for war crimes are set up and administered by the victors. Losers don't get to dictate terms. Any assertion otherwise is simply fantasy.

Does anyone think the Third Reich got to set up Nuremburg?
 

Abert

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OSINTdefender
@sentdefender
Despite multiple Reports which state that Russian Leadership including President Vladimir Putin know Ukraine had nothing to do with the Attack; Russia’s Investigative Committee for the March 22nd Terrorist Attack against the Crocus Concert Hall in Moscow stated yesterday that they have Discovered several “Proven Links” between the ISIS Terrorists in Custody and Ukraine, with them claiming that the Terrorists admitted to receiving a Significant amount of Cryptocurrency from Ukrainian Sources and that after the Attack they were Escaping to Kyiv to “Receive their Reward.”
Despite multiple Reports which state that Russian Leadership including President Vladimir Putin know Ukraine had nothing to do with the Attack;
And the Wuhan Lab had NOTHING to do with the CV-19 Virus
 

Abert

Veteran Member
The allies in Nato and the EU need to have a coordinated strategy to head off disaster in Ukraine right now.
Thank you - Captain Obvious!

Problem is there is NO effective solution or strategy they can deploy
- the hope Putin will be replaced or die is about the best they have.

Even with more arms (which they are in short supply of) or money - effectively the limiting factor is men (women). As has been documented over and over - Ukraine will run out of them way before Russia does.
Sending fresh NATO troops - 100 -200k or more would be needed and it would be a political disaster in most NATO nations - and even that would take months to do. Plus the moment NATO troops in their own uniforms attacked Russian troops - all NATO nations would be valid targets - effectively WW3.

While many in the EU and US have their Ukrainian flag pins or flags in their yards that is about the limit of their support. They are not going to be willing to trade their sons and husbands for a border dispute that really has no impact on their day to day lives.
 

Housecarl

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Thank you - Captain Obvious!

Problem is there is NO effective solution or strategy they can deploy
- the hope Putin will be replaced or die is about the best they have.

Even with more arms (which they are in short supply of) or money - effectively the limiting factor is men (women). As has been documented over and over - Ukraine will run out of them way before Russia does.
Sending fresh NATO troops - 100 -200k or more would be needed and it would be a political disaster in most NATO nations - and even that would take months to do. Plus the moment NATO troops in their own uniforms attacked Russian troops - all NATO nations would be valid targets - effectively WW3.

While many in the EU and US have their Ukrainian flag pins or flags in their yards that is about the limit of their support. They are not going to be willing to trade their sons and husbands for a border dispute that really has no impact on their day to day lives.

Here then is the question we need to ask regarding the PTB in the West, both in front of and especially behind the curtain; how many dead Ukrainians, Russians and finally their own people are they willing to stack up for "their" goals? That being said, exactly what are those goals?
 

CaryC

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139 dead, and 180+ injured, Russian concert goers will do that.

Whether the "West" was responsible or not, it gives Putin an excuse to up his game.
That and/or Russia never had any plans to invade and occupy anything west of the Dnieper River. Or even where they are now which is short of the river.

But yeah, now since the concert, Russia may not care if the civilian population of Ukraine suffers either.
 
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