ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Knoxville's Joker

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Hmm....Telegram sources are reporting, hunting ''French Foreign Fighters''.

The Militarist channel about signs of the removal of French corpses after yesterday’s strikes by the Russian Armed Forces on Odessa:

“Increased activity of NATO aviation is recorded in the area of the Romanian-Ukrainian border. Apparently this is due to the evacuation of those killed and wounded during yesterday’s strikes on southern Ukraine.”

⭐100 French were killed, more than 550 people from the “Lyut” and “Tsunami” brigades of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine.

WELDERS concretized our data on the liquidation of the generals
▪️A. Gostishchev, former deputy of the Main Directorate of the National Police
▪️commander of the Tsunami battalion, S. Tetyukhin, former deputy mayor
▪️D. Abramenko, deputy Head of the Main Directorate of the National Police, Head of the Department of Preventive Activities in the Odessa Region - as a result of a strike on the construction site of the personnel of the "LYUT" brigade in the area of Kovalevsky's Dachas.

Large attacks like that mean that folks are not following operational security and not leaving their cell phones at home...
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Hmmm...I wonder what Alexey Danilov will say about the Kiev election which will be held when?

Ukraine will closely monitor which countries recognize the presidential elections in...​

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Ukraine will closely monitor which countries recognize the presidential elections in Russia. Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexey Danilov warned about this.

“There will be a difficult 2-3 months, because Russia is finishing the election cycle. Countries will recognize the results of elections in the Russian Federation, which is unacceptable and a disgrace in the modern world. We will closely monitor who congratulates Putin on his victory,” the Security Council Secretary threatened.

Well, they will track it, and then what? Crossed off the list of Kyiv sponsors?
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
The majority of people, by the way, don’t actually understand the real reason behind Germany’s trepidation at sending the Taurus. It’s not that Germany is somehow more afraid to get involved, considering the fact they’re already the top aid provider besides the U.S.

It has more to do with the fact that, unlike the Storm Shadows, limited to under 250km for the export versions given Ukraine, the Taurus comes stock at well over 500km range, and is reportedly secretly capable of carrying nuclear warheads—a fact the Bundestag indirectly confirmed by declining to answer the question recently, stating it was ‘top secret information’.

That means the Taurus presents a totally different type of strategic threat if used against Russia. From the Russian standpoint, if a Taurus were to be launched into Russian territory, Russia would have no choice but to treat it as a potential nuclear first strike attack from NATO, given that Moscow is less than 500km from Ukrainian territory and there is no way to determine if the missile is nuclear-armed during its inbound flight. This opens up an entirely different can of worms, which would doctrinally give Russian armed forces the allowance to potentially respond to Germany in almost any escalatory measure, up to and including preventative nuclear launch on Berlin.


Germany knows this, which is why the Taurus is off the table. However, they’re now considering their old ‘circular’ game of providing the Taurus to the UK in exchange for UK freeing up its remaining Storm Shadow stocks to Ukraine, etc.

Lastly, it’s very interesting that today, right after Macron’s brawny televised theatrics, Russia struck none other than….Odessa with a huge masterful blow that reportedly wiped out many important people, and has even the Ukrainian side openly wailing from the soul:

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Sound reasoning.
Seems obvious that Russia would HAVE TO respond to a nuke-capable missile launch into mother Russia.
How would ANY nuke-armed country have to respond to that?
Russia not responding with great prejudice would be a declaration of surrender.
A deep and hot response would by justified.
Only question would be, a tactical response or a strategic response by Russia?
Does Russia take out Kiev, or all the NATO bases and EU decision-making targets to make it a 15-minute war?
 
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CaryC

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SATURDAY, MAR 16, 2024 - 06:00 AM
Submitted by Andrew Korybko

Asymmetrical partition between Ukraine’s western neighbors into “spheres of economic influence” alongside a de facto Korean-like partition between NATO and Russia is much more foreseeable than its western neighbors like Poland formally reincorporating their lost territory due to financial and political reasons.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova warned about the impending partition of Ukraine. According to her, “All these statements that Macron and other NATO politicians make, about the possibility of introducing contingents or some kind of paramilitary units into the territory of Ukraine, are related to the partition of what they see as the remnants of Ukraine…They are ready to occupy and partition Ukraine.” What she didn’t mention, however, is that this will likely be an asymmetrical partition.

Instead of Ukraine’s neighbors officially divvying it up like former President and incumbent Deputy Chairman of the Security Council Dmitry Medvedev suggested via the map that he recently spoke in front of, NATO states are unlikely to formally reincorporate their lost lands. Rather, what’s more likely to happen in the event that they form a “coalition of the willing” to conventionally intervene there is that they’ll carve out “spheres of influences” on the pretext of protecting their “strategic borders”.

Romanian President Klaus Iohannis revealed that while the bloc as a whole can’t intervene in Ukraine since it’s not a NATO ally, members could bilaterally do so on their own, which Poland might have sought America’s approval for during its President and Prime Minister’s meeting with Biden. It was argued here that this could even be partially motivated by domestic political factors, not to mention the West’s “worst-case scenario” of Russia achieving a military breakthrough that catalyzes Ukraine’s collapse.

France and by extension also the UK might be plotting a Ukrainian power play under Germany’s nose to prevent their historical rival from resuming its superpower trajectory with US backing as Washington empowers Berlin to contain Russia in Europe while America “Pivots (back) to Asia” to contain China. These rapid moves come amidst reports that the G7 is planning to appoint a special envoy to Ukraine, which this analysis here argued could be tasked with implementing the Davos agenda in that country.

Zelensky told the World Economic Forum in May 2022 that “we offer a special - historically significant - model of reconstruction. When each of the partner countries or partner cities or partner companies will have the opportunity - historical one - to take patronage over a particular region of Ukraine, city, community or industry. Britain, Denmark, the European Union and other leading international actors have already chosen a specific direction for patronage in reconstruction.”

It therefore makes sense that they’d want to safeguard the regions, cities, communities, and industries that Ukraine promised them patronage of so as to stop Russia from taking control of them in the event that it achieves a military breakthrough which catalyzes Ukraine’s collapse and leads to regime change. This analysis here, meanwhile, argued that formally reincorporating its western neighbors’ lost lands is unlikely due to how much their demographics have changed since the end of World War II.

Accordingly, “spheres of economic influence” are the most likely outcome if France’s talk of a conventional NATO intervention is implemented, after which the participants would be able to profit from their respective zones while carrying out military training and law enforcement activities there. These foreign troops could also prevent the state’s collapse in the areas under their control, repel uncontrollable refugee influxes, and combat weapons smuggling into the EU.

The end effect would be to formally preserve Ukrainian statehood per the West’s officially stated objective that “justifies” their proxy war against Russia through that former Soviet Republic while nevertheless asymmetrically partitioning it into “spheres of economic influence” per the Davos agenda. It’s also possible that with time some of Ukraine’s western neighbors like Poland might consider entering into a “confederation’ with the adjacent region under their control but that’s still a far-fetched scenario.

Their taxpayers could be stuck with the bill for reconstructing those formerly Ukrainian regions, plus the locals would become citizens with equal rights (including voting ones), which those countries’ people might firmly oppose and therefore potentially rebel against. It’s much less economically and politically costly to simply siphon wealth from those regions in exchange for limited security support than to constitutionally enshrine enduring economic, political, and security rights to their locals for prestige.

For these reasons, while Zakharova is likely correct in assessing that plans are afoot for partitioning Ukraine depending on several situational variables (e.g. the conflict’s military-strategic dynamics and domestic politics like in Poland’s case), everything probably wouldn’t unfold like the public imagines. Asymmetrical partition between Ukraine’s western neighbors into “spheres of economic influence” alongside a de facto Korean-like partition between NATO and Russia is much more foreseeable.

 

tanstaafl

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In an update of other posts I've made on this thread, it seems that a fair-sized chunk of the international volunteers have, in fact, left the fight. I think at one point there were something like 10,000-plus (upwards of 20,000?) combat troops (as opposed to supporting roles like medical aid, logistics, weapons-specific advisors, etc.) and now that number is down significantly below 5,000 (3,000 or so sticks in my mind). Or so I was told.

I don't know how often this has been happening or how long it's been going on, but military ground units (not just sabotage efforts and drone strikes) allied with the Ukraine are actually fighting inside Russia proper.

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Pro-Ukraine exiled Russian fighters launch cross-border raid into southern Russia
Members of the Siberia, Freedom of Russia Legion and RDK battalions work closely with the Ukrainian army

by Pjotr Sauer
The Guardian
March 14, 2024

Three pro-Ukrainian battalions made up of recruits from Russia have launched a fresh incursion into southern Russia in a cross-border raid meant to sow chaos before Vladimir Putin’s widely expected re-election this weekend.

The three armed groups of Russian exiled fighters, who operate in close coordination with Ukraine’s military, said they had crossed the border into the southern Kursk and Belgorod regions. In a statement, the Russian National Guard acknowledged the raid, saying that together with the armed forces, they were repelling the Ukrainian-backed armed groups’ attack near the village of Tyotkino in Russia’s western Kursk region.

Russia’s defence ministry later in the day said it had foiled the raids and posted a video appearing to show destroyed tanks and armoured fighting vehicles belonging to the pro-Ukrainian fighters.

But several pro-war Russian journalists close to the military said that fighting on the Russian border was continuing on Thursday evening. Readovka, a pro-Kremlin news site with ties to security services, said the pro-Ukrainian battalions had entered the Russian border village of Kozenka in the Belgorod region, where fighting was taking place.

The Kremlin-controlled RT channel said some people living in border towns in Belgorod were evacuating their homes.

Members of the Siberia, Freedom of Russia Legion and RDK battalions – the three groups that claimed the cross-border raid – closely work with the Ukrainian army.

Russia Legion and RDK battalions comprise members ranging from far-right nationalists to anarchists, while the Siberian battalion is predominantly made of minority ethnic people from Siberia, including Buryats, Yakuts, and Tuvans.

While the cross-border raids are unlikely to result in Ukrainian territorial gains, they could pull Russian troops away from significant battles in eastern Ukraine, where Moscow holds the momentum.

Using several tanks and armoured vehicles, the three groups earlier this week first launched an attack on Tyotkino, a small village located on the Russian border, but soon appeared to have made a retreat back into Ukraine.

On Thursday, the anti-Putin militias posted a statement on Telegram saying that cross-border assault to “liberate” the Kursk and Belgorod regions would continue “until all targets are achieved”.

They urged Russians to evacuate the border regions, announcing a humanitarian corridor from Thursday evening till Friday morning. “After that, we launch a massive attack on Putin’s military,” the militias said.

The border skirmishes were accompanied by sustained Ukrainian drone and missile strikes targeting the city of Belgorod. On Thursday, Ukraine fired at least eight missiles at Russia’s Belgorod border region, killing one person and wounding six, local officials said. Kyiv this week also stepped up its attacks on refineries and energy facilities deep inside Russia, disrupting production at least one vital oil refinery.

The latest wave of Ukrainian attacks comes days before the 15-17 March presidential election, which Vladimir Putin is guaranteed to win.

In an interview with state media on Wednesday, Putin said the latest flurry of Ukrainian border attacks were meant to disrupt the presidential elections. “The main goal, I do not doubt it, is to ... somehow prevent the normal process of the expression of the will of the citizen,” he said.

In a message aired on Wednesday, Putin urged Russians to cast their ballots in this week’s carefully managed vote. “It is vital to underscore our cohesion and resolve and move forward together. Every vote you cast is valued and meaningful,” Putin said in a video address first shown in the far east region of the country.

Moscow earlier this week opened polling stations in the four Russian-occupied regions of Ukraine that it annexed in September 2022. The Ukrainian foreign ministry described the voting held in the four territories as illegal and void and called on its international partners not to recognise the results of the presidential elections.

 

Abert

Veteran Member
Large attacks like that mean that folks are not following operational security and not leaving their cell phones at home...
One of the biggest problems Ukraine has is that a large portion of "their" population are Pro Russian - because they are Russian
Human intelligence is golden - no need for tracking cell phones - just the cleaning crew - delivery driver - local coffee shop - dozens of sources of info. A large office / operation - French speaking going in and out. Easy target.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Sound reasoning.
Seems obvious that Russia would HAVE TO respond to a nuke-capable missile launch into mother Russia.
How would ANY nuke-armed country have to respond to that?
Russia not responding with great prejudice would be a declaration of surrender.
A deep and hot response would by justified.
Only question would be, a tactical response or a strategic response by Russia?
Does Russia take out Kiev, or all the NATO bases and EU decision-making targets to make it a 15-minute war?
That is the CRITICAL issue - no way to know 100% what the war head is.
If it were just 2 or 3 missiles headed to Moscow - it is unlikely Russia would overreact. If you have 100 headed to key cities then the reaction likely would / could be different. Roll of the dice.
For them to not respond at some level is not surrender - it is the action of responsible national leaders. But this war could go sideways any day - any of a dozen of actions could trigger an OVERREACTION.
One thing is 100% sure - if the US and NATO keep increasing the conflict - soon or later they will get their WW3
NATO has tossed gas all over the area and they keep giving Ukraine matches to play with - what could go wrong.
 

Housecarl

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Sound reasoning.
Seems obvious that Russia would HAVE TO respond to a nuke-capable missile launch into mother Russia.
How would ANY nuke-armed country have to respond to that?
Russia not responding with great prejudice would be a declaration of surrender.
A deep and hot response would by justified.
Only question would be, a tactical response or a strategic response by Russia?
Does Russia take out Kiev, or all the NATO bases and EU decision-making targets to make it a 15-minute war?

The problem with that "15 minute war" scenario is that it wouldn't be one way for the Russians, never mind everyone else.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
View: https://youtu.be/sZlmoXOpKPQ?si=I66jabxUW7noCSIl

3:26 minutes

Latest Ukrainian drone attacks on Russian oil refineries.
Refineries make a nice EASY target and lots of FIRE - great for propaganda videos - yes it hurts - it is war and all sides take hits. But while Ukraine goes for headlines - Russia takes out actual military targets like the hit in Odessa on a NATO operation center - no big fire - but an actual military loss.
Ukraine's propaganda operations depend on actions like this to take the headlines away from the actual war. On the actual front their military losses are running around 1000 a day. The refineries fires are put out in hours - back in operation in a few days or weeks no permeant loss - the 25-30 Thousand dead each month - not so easy to replace.
 

Ukraine War Day #752: NATO Attacks Russian Oil Refineries

Posted on March 16, 2024 by yalensis


Dear Readers:
I saw this very interesting piece in the Ukrainian newspaper STRANA. One front of this war has consisted of NATO drone attacks against oil refineries within Russia’s internationally “recognized” borders. The goal clearly being to harm Russia’s economy and possibly put a crimp in its military capability. The STRANA piece quotes extensively from an expert named Sergei Vakulenko, who works as a consultant for the Carnegie Foundation, his specialty being the oil and gas industry.


Sergei Vakulenko

Vakulenko believes that the drone attacks are not necessarily critical to the Russian war effort, but they do add an irritant to existing problems faced by the Russian oil and gas sector: “Because of the sanctions, any repairs of existing equipment take a lot more time and energy than they would otherwise. This is a factor to consider when analyzing these attacks and how they may impact the revenues needed for the Russian budget, and also the stability of the internal market.”

Drone attacks against Russian petroleum refineries have increased greatly in recent days. Four refineries were hit in just a single day. Two of the refineries that were struck produce mainly for the export market, and so this does not directly affect the war effort nor the internal market. Also, losses in the export market can be compensated by the sale of raw (unrefined) petroleum. “But the important point is that, if Ukrainian drones are capable of reaching Ust-Luga, which is 1000 kilometers from the Ukrainian border, then they are also capable of reaching another 18 such refineries, whose overall production amounts to around 170 million tons per year. And that is already more than half of the Russian refined product, so now we are starting to see an effect on the fuel supply for all of European Russia.”


Ust-Luga is a Russian port city close to the Estonian border.


On the other hand, Vakulenko does not believe that the smaller drones can do enough damage to have a major effect. For example, they can start fires, but not necessarily shut down the entire plant. These oil refineries are protected by their Soviet heritage: “The construction standards by which these plants were built, back in Cold War times, they were built to withstand a 1000-kilogram bomb. Hence, these small drones do not affect the structure of the buildings themselves, they just start fires.

“If a drone gets lucky, then it might fall into the gas fractionation plant, which is the most vulnerable production unit as it is filled with hot ethane, propane and butane. These gases catch fire and explode a lot quicker than the raw fuel. In this case, there is a chance to create a bigger explosion and cause some damage to this part of the plant. But even in this case, the rest of the plant will remain intact.

“Besides, these plants have very powerful fire extinguishing systems. Highly trained firefighters are present and alert at all times, and there are various systems that kick in, to extinguish the flames. Thus, the probability of burning down one of these refineries is much less than, say, burning down a warehouse or an office building.”

Vakulenko notes that in the recent attacks in Ust-Luga and Tuapse (a Russian town in Krasnodar, on the Northeast shore of the Black Sea, not far from Sochi), the fires were quickly extinguished in just a couple of hours. “More than likely, these refineries will quickly resume their activity. They may lose a few installations and then resume with lower production and a more limited assortment of product. Under normal circumstances, the consequences of the emergency situation could be cleaned up in a month or two.” However, the Western sanctions add complications, since they make it more difficult for the companies to purchase the details and equipment needed to finish the repairs.

Vakulenko concludes: “These fires at the oil refineries can also have a propaganda effect and influence public opinion, both among Russians and Ukrainians. But they are not yet having a significant influence on the Russian economy. It would be different, however, if these attacks continue with their current intensity, in that case what is now just an inconvenience could turn into a real problem for the Russian authorities.”

Posted in Economics, Military and War Sergei Vakulenko

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Abert

Veteran Member
In an update of other posts I've made on this thread, it seems that a fair-sized chunk of the international volunteers have, in fact, left the fight. I think at one point there were something like 10,000-plus (upwards of 20,000?) combat troops (as opposed to supporting roles like medical aid, logistics, weapons-specific advisors, etc.) and now that number is down significantly below 5,000 (3,000 or so sticks in my mind). Or so I was told.

I don't know how often this has been happening or how long it's been going on, but military ground units (not just sabotage efforts and drone strikes) allied with the Ukraine are actually fighting inside Russia proper.

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Pro-Ukraine exiled Russian fighters launch cross-border raid into southern Russia
Members of the Siberia, Freedom of Russia Legion and RDK battalions work closely with the Ukrainian army

by Pjotr Sauer
The Guardian
March 14, 2024

Three pro-Ukrainian battalions made up of recruits from Russia have launched a fresh incursion into southern Russia in a cross-border raid meant to sow chaos before Vladimir Putin’s widely expected re-election this weekend.

The three armed groups of Russian exiled fighters, who operate in close coordination with Ukraine’s military, said they had crossed the border into the southern Kursk and Belgorod regions. In a statement, the Russian National Guard acknowledged the raid, saying that together with the armed forces, they were repelling the Ukrainian-backed armed groups’ attack near the village of Tyotkino in Russia’s western Kursk region.

Russia’s defence ministry later in the day said it had foiled the raids and posted a video appearing to show destroyed tanks and armoured fighting vehicles belonging to the pro-Ukrainian fighters.

But several pro-war Russian journalists close to the military said that fighting on the Russian border was continuing on Thursday evening. Readovka, a pro-Kremlin news site with ties to security services, said the pro-Ukrainian battalions had entered the Russian border village of Kozenka in the Belgorod region, where fighting was taking place.

The Kremlin-controlled RT channel said some people living in border towns in Belgorod were evacuating their homes.

Members of the Siberia, Freedom of Russia Legion and RDK battalions – the three groups that claimed the cross-border raid – closely work with the Ukrainian army.

Russia Legion and RDK battalions comprise members ranging from far-right nationalists to anarchists, while the Siberian battalion is predominantly made of minority ethnic people from Siberia, including Buryats, Yakuts, and Tuvans.

While the cross-border raids are unlikely to result in Ukrainian territorial gains, they could pull Russian troops away from significant battles in eastern Ukraine, where Moscow holds the momentum.

Using several tanks and armoured vehicles, the three groups earlier this week first launched an attack on Tyotkino, a small village located on the Russian border, but soon appeared to have made a retreat back into Ukraine.

On Thursday, the anti-Putin militias posted a statement on Telegram saying that cross-border assault to “liberate” the Kursk and Belgorod regions would continue “until all targets are achieved”.

They urged Russians to evacuate the border regions, announcing a humanitarian corridor from Thursday evening till Friday morning. “After that, we launch a massive attack on Putin’s military,” the militias said.

The border skirmishes were accompanied by sustained Ukrainian drone and missile strikes targeting the city of Belgorod. On Thursday, Ukraine fired at least eight missiles at Russia’s Belgorod border region, killing one person and wounding six, local officials said. Kyiv this week also stepped up its attacks on refineries and energy facilities deep inside Russia, disrupting production at least one vital oil refinery.

The latest wave of Ukrainian attacks comes days before the 15-17 March presidential election, which Vladimir Putin is guaranteed to win.

In an interview with state media on Wednesday, Putin said the latest flurry of Ukrainian border attacks were meant to disrupt the presidential elections. “The main goal, I do not doubt it, is to ... somehow prevent the normal process of the expression of the will of the citizen,” he said.

In a message aired on Wednesday, Putin urged Russians to cast their ballots in this week’s carefully managed vote. “It is vital to underscore our cohesion and resolve and move forward together. Every vote you cast is valued and meaningful,” Putin said in a video address first shown in the far east region of the country.

Moscow earlier this week opened polling stations in the four Russian-occupied regions of Ukraine that it annexed in September 2022. The Ukrainian foreign ministry described the voting held in the four territories as illegal and void and called on its international partners not to recognise the results of the presidential elections.

This border raid has been covered - it was a total loss. Russia became aware of the action well in advance and replaced the border guards with top front line troops and equipment. Ukraine expected to cut right though a handful of inexperienced and out gunned guards hitting them with tanks and APC. Take the town and do their normal Photo OP and run the world headlines. Problem was Russia was waiting for them.

Yes they reached the town in Russia and then were hit with massive artillery strikes and were forced to retreat - problem was the area they crossed to get into Russia got quickly mined by Russia. Additional Ukrainian reinforcements attempting to move into the town hit the mine field along with the original troops trying to retreat - total losses reported to be 18 tanks and 23 APC along with around 1500 Ukrainian troops - BTW this is not some Ex-Russian group - well documented they are Ukrainian troops - not some freedom fighters - just more PR and SPIN.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Update : Putin we will respond "harshly" for Ukraine,s Bombing attacks in the belgrod region.

So what's the international case law on using WMDs on an invading or occupying force? At a certain point that will be what's on the table the more bellicose Putin gets. You don't let a violent patron wave around a broken bottle without doing "something" about it.

On another note, though going after Russian petrochemical facilities may be more image over substance but I wonder how many ucav/one way drone sorties are being launched by both sides going after the electrical utility backbones of each side and how effective that's been since transformers and switches are internationally of finite supply?
 
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Housecarl

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In relation to the WMD question......

Posted for fair use.......

From Khrushchev to Putin, Russian’s Reflexive Control theory has alarmed NATO​

Aninda Dey March 16, 2024, 10:48:21 IST

The Russian President’s repeated threats of using a tactical nuke in the Ukraine war have achieved their objectives to an extent by dissuading NATO from a direct confrontation

If there is no intention to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope; let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.”

— Nikita Khrushchev, 26 October, 1962

The Soviet premier’s chilling message to American President John F Kennedy during the 13-day Cuban Missile Crisis brought the world to the precipice of a nuclear Armageddon.

However, the crisis was averted after an exchange of messages between the two leaders. Khrushchev eventually removed the R-12 MRBMs and R-14 IRBMs with thermonuclear warheads from Cuba and stopped the construction of their launch sites, but his military and diplomatic manoeuvres hit the bullseye. Kennedy promised never to invade Cuba and withdrew the PGM-19 Jupiter nuclear MRBMs from Turkey.

More than six decades later, Moscow again raised the possibility of a nuclear spectre several times, triggering fears of an “Armageddon” in Washington.

Vladimir Putin has threatened the use of tactical nukes during the Ukraine War five times and followed it up with some actions alarming NATO.

On 24 February, 2022, the day he launched his “Special Military Operation”, the Russian president said , “Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory is unacceptable for us.” Russia “has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country”.

On 21 September, he repeated his N-threat . “In the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people, we will certainly make use of all weapon systems available to us. This is not a bluff.”

On 30 September, Putin indirectly hinted at the use of nukes to protect Ukraine’s illegally annexed regions of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia “with all the forces and means at our disposal”.

In February 2024, when French President Emmanuel Macron didn’t rule out the deployment of NATO troops in Ukraine, Putin said , “Everything that the West comes up with creates the real threat of a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons, and thus the destruction of civilisation.”

This month, Putin said that if American troops are deployed in Russian territory or Ukraine, Russia would treat the move as an intervention. “From a military-technical point of view, we are, of course, ready [for a nuclear war],” he said .

In some cases, Putin’s actions indicated that he might resort to a tactical nuclear attack. On 27 February, 2022, he put the Russian Army’s deterrence forces on high combat alert as top NATO officials were “indulging in aggressive statements directed” at Russia. On 25 March, 2023, Putin announced plans to deploy Russian tactical nukes in Belarus . In March 2024, Russia tested the nuclear-tipped RS-24 Yars ICBM, which travels at Mach 14 and has a multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle.

One month after Putin’s September 2022 threat, US President Joe Biden reacted on expected lines. “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis,” he said .

CNN’s chief national security analyst and anchor Jim Sciutto’s book The Return of Great Powers, released this month, claims that an “analysis and highly sensitive new intelligence” showed that Russia wanted to use a tactical nuke against Ukraine in 2022.

Sciutto claims that a senior US administration official told him that the fear wasn’t “just hypothetical” but “based on some information that we picked up”. Subsequently, the US started “preparing rigorously” for such an eventuality.

These nuclear threats and actions raise some questions.

What is Russia’s nuclear doctrine?

The ‘Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, on 2 June, 2020, provides the framework for the use of nukes in in various scenarios.

  1. a) potential enemy’s build-up in the territories adjacent to the Russian Federation and its allies and in adjacent sea areas of general-purpose force groups, which include nuclear weapons delivery vehicles;
  2. b) deployment by states that consider the Russian Federation as a potential enemy of missile defence systems and means, medium- and shorter-range cruise and ballistic missiles, high-precision non-nuclear and hypersonic weapons, attack unmanned aerial vehicles and directed energy weapons;
  3. c) creation and deployment in space of missile defence and strike systems;
  4. d) states have nuclear weapons and (or) other types of weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the Russian Federation and (or) its allies as well as means of delivery of these types of weapons;
  5. e) uncontrolled proliferation of nuclear weapons, their delivery vehicles and technologies and equipment for their production;
  6. f) placement on the territories of non-nuclear states of nuclear weapons and means of their delivery.
However, Russia can use nuclear weapons against the adversary in a conventional war if its existence is at risk or to prevent the escalation of hostilities and their cessation on terms acceptable to it and the enemy’s deployment of other weapons of mass destruction along its borders.

Were N-threats against Ukraine or NATO?

Putin’s warnings were against NATO, not Ukraine. In every statement, he pointed to the bloc’s eastward expansion, which was allegedly endangering Russia’s existence.

Two months after the Ukraine war, Russia’s Security Council deputy chairman Dmitry Medvedev warned NATO of deploying the nuclear-capable 9K720 Iskander SRBMs in the Russian Kaliningrad exclave—sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania—if Finland and Sweden joined the bloc. Despite his warning, Finland and Sweden joined NATO as Iskanders had been deployed there for years.

When NATO launched ‘ Steadfast Defender 24 ’, its biggest military exercise in Europe since the end of the Cold War, on 24 January, Moscow warned that “any events of this scale significantly increase the risk of military incidents”.

Several incidents prove that Russia never intended to use a tactical nuke against Ukraine despite attacks inside its borders.

Kyiv has targeted the Kerch Bridge, the shortest land route to Crimea used by Russia’s military to transport large equipment and soldiers to Ukraine, several times since October 2022. Now, it has pledged to destroy the bridge. Ukraine also attacked Crimea’s Saky airbase with a missile on 9 August, 2022.

Anti-Moscow groups supporting Kyiv have attacked Russia’s Belgorod region several times since 2023 with the latest on 12 March.

According to Russian media, more than 190 drone attacks have been launched inside Russia, including Moscow, since January 2023. On 12 March this year, Ukraine launched more than 24 drone strikes on energy sites and a major oil refinery in Russia.

Besides, Ukraine has destroyed 21 warships and one submarine of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, according to the Dutch open-source website Oryx, which contains verified tallies of Russian and Ukrainian equipment losses.

The withdrawal from Kyiv and Kherson, the massive losses of troops and equipment and the Ukrainian strikes inside Russian territory were a big trigger for Putin to launch a nuke against Ukraine.

“Our assessment had been for some time that one of the scenarios in which they would contemplate using nuclear weapons [included] things like existential threats to the Russian state and direct threats to Russian territory,” one of the officials told Sciutto.

But Putin didn’t launch a nuke against Ukraine.

Was there any specific intel?

The two senior US officials were ambiguous regarding specific intel about Russia’s intention to use a tactical nuke yet America feared such an attack.

It’s contradictory. “At no point did we ever see any indications of types of steps that we would’ve expected them to take if they were going down a path towards using nuclear weapons,” one of the officials said.

All the US intel community gathered was from its other Western counterparts, who claimed to have received information that “lower levels of the Russian system were discussing” a nuclear strike. “It’s never a cut-and-dry black-and-white assessment,” one of the officials told Sciutto. “But the risk level seemed to be going up—beyond where it had been at any other point in time.”

Since tactical nukes are small compared to strategic nuclear weapons, they can be moved secretly and quietly. “If what they were going to do is use a tactical nuclear weapon … it was not hundred per cent clear to us that we necessarily would have known,” this senior administration official continued.

In either case, the US didn’t have specific intelligence. In fact, the White House denied any imminent threat of a Russian nuke attack after Biden’s “Armageddon” comments in October 2022. Even National Intelligence director Avril Haines said in May 2023 that Russia was “ very unlikely ” to use nukes.

Why Putin issued N-threats and what’s their aim?

Such threats are part of the Soviet-era ‘Theory of Reflexive Control’. The theory combines psychological and information manipulation, pressure tactics and geopolitical strategy to influence the enemy’s decision(s) in Russia’s favour. It’s an asymmetric warfare that changes the adversary’s perception of the situation and forces it to act accordingly to further Russian objectives.

According to Sergey Komov, a leading Russian thinker on information warfare, Reflexive Control can include one or more or a combination of the following tactics : distraction, overload, paralysis, exhaustion, deception, division, pacification, deterrence, provocation, suggestion and pressure.

Reflexive Control is “a means of conveying to a partner or an opponent specially prepared information to incline him to voluntarily make the predetermined decision desired by the initiator of the action”, says Timothy Thomas, a leading American expert Russia’s information warfare.

Basically, Russia escalates the situation to force the adversary to de-escalate. In the process, Russia portrays itself as an irresponsible nuclear power—a bold yet restrained strategy—which either forces the enemy to change its course of action or end the conflict.

According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists , “Escalation is a deliberate action taken primarily for the purpose of ending a conflict without any further increase in the intensity or level of fighting.”

Though the ‘escalate to de-escalate’ theory is contested by some military experts in the US and Europe, the US 2018 Nuclear Posture Review expressed concern about a scenario where Russia grabs the territory of a NATO member. Subsequently, America and NATO are presented “with a fait accompli” by Russia threatening to use nuclear weapons, according to the Congressional Research Service report in April 2022.

While Russia never uses a nuke, the show of nuclear force, capabilities and readiness are enough to alarm its adversary. The steps usually include putting the nuclear forces on high combat alert, military exercises and testing nuclear-capable missiles.

When Putin put his nuclear forces on high combat alert on February 27, 2022, the US and NATO reacted accordingly.

The US postponed the test launch of the Minuteman III ICBM in March that year. Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said, “In an effort to demonstrate that we have no intention of engaging in any actions that can be misunderstood or misconstrued, the secretary of defence has directed that our Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile test launch scheduled for this week to be postponed.”

Then-White House press secretary Jen Psaki said, “At no point has Russia been under threat from NATO [or] has Russia been under threat from Ukraine.”

NATO secretary general Jens Stoltenberg said, “This is dangerous rhetoric. This is a behaviour which is irresponsible.”

On 19 February, a few days before the invasion, Russia conducted a massive simulated exercise of its nuclear triad—ICBMs, SLBMs and strategic bombers. The Zircon and Kinzhal cruise missiles, Yars ICBM, and Sineva and Kalibr SLBMs were fired and Tu-95 bombers, warplanes and submarines participated in the exercise.

“The main purpose of the exercise is to train the strategic offensive forces’ actions aimed at delivering a guaranteed defeat of the enemy,” Russia’s Chief of General Staff General Valery Gerasimov.

Russia can show its nuclear prowess by launching a nuke in an unpopulated area, against a populated centre inside Ukraine or against Ukrainian troops.

In the worst-case scenario, Russia could resort to the third option. However, one tactical nuke won’t obliterate the whole Ukrainian military; Russia would need to launch several such weapons. Besides, Russian soldiers would be exposed to radiation.

Putin also knows the risks involved in a nuclear retaliation. Such a drastic step would further isolate him globally and cement the anti-Russian coalition.

Putin’s nuclear threats haven’t wholly achieved their goals. NATO continues to supply missiles, 155mm artillery rounds, tanks and anti-tank weapons to Ukraine. NATO has also okayed the supply of F-16s and Ukrainian pilots are being trained in Romania.

However, Russia’s Reflexive Control has worked to an extent. NATO never deployed its troops in Ukraine to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia. If Ukraine were a NATO member, Article 5 would have come into effect, putting the bloc in direct confrontation with Russia—that’s why the US has avoided allowing Ukraine into the bloc.

America supplied the Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to Ukraine last year on the assurance that they would not be used to strike inside Russia. Though the Biden administration is contemplating sending long-range ATACMS with a maximum range of 300 km if the House of Representatives approves the $95 military aid package, the missiles will be used to hit targets in Crimea, not inside Russia.

Recently, Stoltenberg said that Ukraine has the right to strike “Russian military targets outside Ukraine. That is international law and, of course, Ukraine has the right to do so to protect itself.”

However, Ukraine has used missiles to strike targets on its occupied territories, like Donetsk, Luhansk or Crimea, not deep inside Russia. Czech Repulic-supplied multiple rocket launcher RM-70 Vampire has been used to target the Russian border city of Belgorod.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Russia neither fired the thermonuclear missiles nor completed the construction of their launch sites. Khrushchev’s diplomacy, misinformation, strategic ambiguity, and psychological pressure against Kennedy worked, and the US reaction was on expected lines.

Similarly, Putin hasn’t used tactical nukes against NATO despite stoking fears of a nuclear retaliation and has achieved his objectives to an extent.

The writer is a freelance journalist with two decades of experience and comments primarily on foreign affairs. Views expressed in the above piece are personal and solely those of the writer. They do not necessarily reflect Firstpost’s views.
 

Housecarl

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Macron to Putin: "It is inappropriate to threaten when we have nuclear weapons"​


French President Emmanuel Macron responded to Russian dictator Vladimir Putin’s "nuclear" threats.

According to Censor.NET with reference to Le Figaro, Macron said in an interview with TF1 and France 2 that it was "inappropriate to threaten" the French when they have nuclear weapons.

"It is inappropriate to threaten when we have nuclear weapons," the French leader said.

He added that he had not spoken to the Kremlin leader for several months and that such a dialogue took place "when it was necessary",

"Putin is a prisoner of repression and authoritarianism in his country, which in recent years has decided to become a destabilizing state," Macron said.

Read also on Censor.NET: There are no prerequisites for Russia to use nuclear weapons, - IAEA Head Grossi

Macron also emphasized that nuclear powers should "first and foremost feel secure" because they have such weapons.

"When it comes to nuclear weapons, few words are needed. This imposes a responsibility on us to prevent escalation," he concluded.

As a reminder, on 29 February, Russian dictator Vladimir Putin said that Russia's strategic nuclear forces were in a state of full readiness for guaranteed use. He also spoke about the development of new weapons used in the war against Ukraine, including the Peresvit laser system. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3478794


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danielboon

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So what's the international case law on using WMDs on an invading or occupying force? At a certain point that will be what's on the table the more bellicose Putin gets. You don't let a violent patron wave around a broken bottle without doing "something" about it.

On another note, though going after Russian petrochemical facilities may be more image over substance but I wonder how many ucav/one way drone sorties are being launched by both sides going after the electrical utility backbones of each side and how effective that's been since transformers and switches are internationally of finite supply?
It is just a matter of time .before the genie comes out of the bottle. :shk:
 

jward

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German intelligence services predict that Russia may launch an attack on NATO starting in 2026 – Business Insider

The analysis by German intelligence agencies suggests that Russia is preparing for a large-scale conflict with the West, evident from the reorganization of the Russian army, troop movements, missile deployments in the western regions, and an increase in arms production in Russia.
 

Knoxville's Joker

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German intelligence services predict that Russia may launch an attack on NATO starting in 2026 – Business Insider

The analysis by German intelligence agencies suggests that Russia is preparing for a large-scale conflict with the West, evident from the reorganization of the Russian army, troop movements, missile deployments in the western regions, and an increase in arms production in Russia.
Or maybe they are trying to show that you FAFO'd. Russia has to keep up their ramp up of wartime production. On the flip side if Russia stands up in house chip fabrication facilities, they can really screw and undercut China and the west and coupled with the existing ramp up of production, the west loses. Imagine if Russia comes out with their version of a Stinger or tank buster that puts ours to shame, they just nullified western advanced armor with such a piece of equipment. This can really end up screwing over Europe all said and done.

But really this comes back to logistics and supply chain of weapons manufacturing. WIth the tactics used the strategems used mirror the Napoleonic and first World War...
 

Abert

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In relation to the WMD question......

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From Khrushchev to Putin, Russian’s Reflexive Control theory has alarmed NATO​

Aninda Dey March 16, 2024, 10:48:21 IST

The Russian President’s repeated threats of using a tactical nuke in the Ukraine war have achieved their objectives to an extent by dissuading NATO from a direct confrontation

If there is no intention to doom the world to the catastrophe of thermonuclear war, then let us not only relax the forces pulling on the ends of the rope; let us take measures to untie that knot. We are ready for this.”

— Nikita Khrushchev, 26 October, 1962

The Soviet premier’s chilling message to American President John F Kennedy during the 13-day Cuban Missile Crisis brought the world to the precipice of a nuclear Armageddon.

However, the crisis was averted after an exchange of messages between the two leaders. Khrushchev eventually removed the R-12 MRBMs and R-14 IRBMs with thermonuclear warheads from Cuba and stopped the construction of their launch sites, but his military and diplomatic manoeuvres hit the bullseye. Kennedy promised never to invade Cuba and withdrew the PGM-19 Jupiter nuclear MRBMs from Turkey.

More than six decades later, Moscow again raised the possibility of a nuclear spectre several times, triggering fears of an “Armageddon” in Washington.

Vladimir Putin has threatened the use of tactical nukes during the Ukraine War five times and followed it up with some actions alarming NATO.

On 24 February, 2022, the day he launched his “Special Military Operation”, the Russian president said , “Any further expansion of the North Atlantic alliance’s infrastructure or the ongoing efforts to gain a military foothold of the Ukrainian territory is unacceptable for us.” Russia “has a certain advantage in several cutting-edge weapons. In this context, there should be no doubt for anyone that any potential aggressor will face defeat and ominous consequences should it directly attack our country”.

On 21 September, he repeated his N-threat . “In the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people, we will certainly make use of all weapon systems available to us. This is not a bluff.”

On 30 September, Putin indirectly hinted at the use of nukes to protect Ukraine’s illegally annexed regions of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia “with all the forces and means at our disposal”.

In February 2024, when French President Emmanuel Macron didn’t rule out the deployment of NATO troops in Ukraine, Putin said , “Everything that the West comes up with creates the real threat of a conflict with the use of nuclear weapons, and thus the destruction of civilisation.”

This month, Putin said that if American troops are deployed in Russian territory or Ukraine, Russia would treat the move as an intervention. “From a military-technical point of view, we are, of course, ready [for a nuclear war],” he said .

In some cases, Putin’s actions indicated that he might resort to a tactical nuclear attack. On 27 February, 2022, he put the Russian Army’s deterrence forces on high combat alert as top NATO officials were “indulging in aggressive statements directed” at Russia. On 25 March, 2023, Putin announced plans to deploy Russian tactical nukes in Belarus . In March 2024, Russia tested the nuclear-tipped RS-24 Yars ICBM, which travels at Mach 14 and has a multiple independently targetable re-entry vehicle.

One month after Putin’s September 2022 threat, US President Joe Biden reacted on expected lines. “We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis,” he said .

CNN’s chief national security analyst and anchor Jim Sciutto’s book The Return of Great Powers, released this month, claims that an “analysis and highly sensitive new intelligence” showed that Russia wanted to use a tactical nuke against Ukraine in 2022.

Sciutto claims that a senior US administration official told him that the fear wasn’t “just hypothetical” but “based on some information that we picked up”. Subsequently, the US started “preparing rigorously” for such an eventuality.

These nuclear threats and actions raise some questions.

What is Russia’s nuclear doctrine?

The ‘Decree of the President of the Russian Federation, on 2 June, 2020, provides the framework for the use of nukes in in various scenarios.

  1. a) potential enemy’s build-up in the territories adjacent to the Russian Federation and its allies and in adjacent sea areas of general-purpose force groups, which include nuclear weapons delivery vehicles;
  2. b) deployment by states that consider the Russian Federation as a potential enemy of missile defence systems and means, medium- and shorter-range cruise and ballistic missiles, high-precision non-nuclear and hypersonic weapons, attack unmanned aerial vehicles and directed energy weapons;
  3. c) creation and deployment in space of missile defence and strike systems;
  4. d) states have nuclear weapons and (or) other types of weapons of mass destruction that can be used against the Russian Federation and (or) its allies as well as means of delivery of these types of weapons;
  5. e) uncontrolled proliferation of nuclear weapons, their delivery vehicles and technologies and equipment for their production;
  6. f) placement on the territories of non-nuclear states of nuclear weapons and means of their delivery.
However, Russia can use nuclear weapons against the adversary in a conventional war if its existence is at risk or to prevent the escalation of hostilities and their cessation on terms acceptable to it and the enemy’s deployment of other weapons of mass destruction along its borders.

Were N-threats against Ukraine or NATO?

Putin’s warnings were against NATO, not Ukraine. In every statement, he pointed to the bloc’s eastward expansion, which was allegedly endangering Russia’s existence.

Two months after the Ukraine war, Russia’s Security Council deputy chairman Dmitry Medvedev warned NATO of deploying the nuclear-capable 9K720 Iskander SRBMs in the Russian Kaliningrad exclave—sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania—if Finland and Sweden joined the bloc. Despite his warning, Finland and Sweden joined NATO as Iskanders had been deployed there for years.

When NATO launched ‘ Steadfast Defender 24 ’, its biggest military exercise in Europe since the end of the Cold War, on 24 January, Moscow warned that “any events of this scale significantly increase the risk of military incidents”.

Several incidents prove that Russia never intended to use a tactical nuke against Ukraine despite attacks inside its borders.

Kyiv has targeted the Kerch Bridge, the shortest land route to Crimea used by Russia’s military to transport large equipment and soldiers to Ukraine, several times since October 2022. Now, it has pledged to destroy the bridge. Ukraine also attacked Crimea’s Saky airbase with a missile on 9 August, 2022.

Anti-Moscow groups supporting Kyiv have attacked Russia’s Belgorod region several times since 2023 with the latest on 12 March.

According to Russian media, more than 190 drone attacks have been launched inside Russia, including Moscow, since January 2023. On 12 March this year, Ukraine launched more than 24 drone strikes on energy sites and a major oil refinery in Russia.

Besides, Ukraine has destroyed 21 warships and one submarine of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, according to the Dutch open-source website Oryx, which contains verified tallies of Russian and Ukrainian equipment losses.

The withdrawal from Kyiv and Kherson, the massive losses of troops and equipment and the Ukrainian strikes inside Russian territory were a big trigger for Putin to launch a nuke against Ukraine.

“Our assessment had been for some time that one of the scenarios in which they would contemplate using nuclear weapons [included] things like existential threats to the Russian state and direct threats to Russian territory,” one of the officials told Sciutto.

But Putin didn’t launch a nuke against Ukraine.

Was there any specific intel?

The two senior US officials were ambiguous regarding specific intel about Russia’s intention to use a tactical nuke yet America feared such an attack.

It’s contradictory. “At no point did we ever see any indications of types of steps that we would’ve expected them to take if they were going down a path towards using nuclear weapons,” one of the officials said.

All the US intel community gathered was from its other Western counterparts, who claimed to have received information that “lower levels of the Russian system were discussing” a nuclear strike. “It’s never a cut-and-dry black-and-white assessment,” one of the officials told Sciutto. “But the risk level seemed to be going up—beyond where it had been at any other point in time.”

Since tactical nukes are small compared to strategic nuclear weapons, they can be moved secretly and quietly. “If what they were going to do is use a tactical nuclear weapon … it was not hundred per cent clear to us that we necessarily would have known,” this senior administration official continued.

In either case, the US didn’t have specific intelligence. In fact, the White House denied any imminent threat of a Russian nuke attack after Biden’s “Armageddon” comments in October 2022. Even National Intelligence director Avril Haines said in May 2023 that Russia was “ very unlikely ” to use nukes.

Why Putin issued N-threats and what’s their aim?

Such threats are part of the Soviet-era ‘Theory of Reflexive Control’. The theory combines psychological and information manipulation, pressure tactics and geopolitical strategy to influence the enemy’s decision(s) in Russia’s favour. It’s an asymmetric warfare that changes the adversary’s perception of the situation and forces it to act accordingly to further Russian objectives.

According to Sergey Komov, a leading Russian thinker on information warfare, Reflexive Control can include one or more or a combination of the following tactics : distraction, overload, paralysis, exhaustion, deception, division, pacification, deterrence, provocation, suggestion and pressure.

Reflexive Control is “a means of conveying to a partner or an opponent specially prepared information to incline him to voluntarily make the predetermined decision desired by the initiator of the action”, says Timothy Thomas, a leading American expert Russia’s information warfare.

Basically, Russia escalates the situation to force the adversary to de-escalate. In the process, Russia portrays itself as an irresponsible nuclear power—a bold yet restrained strategy—which either forces the enemy to change its course of action or end the conflict.

According to the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists , “Escalation is a deliberate action taken primarily for the purpose of ending a conflict without any further increase in the intensity or level of fighting.”

Though the ‘escalate to de-escalate’ theory is contested by some military experts in the US and Europe, the US 2018 Nuclear Posture Review expressed concern about a scenario where Russia grabs the territory of a NATO member. Subsequently, America and NATO are presented “with a fait accompli” by Russia threatening to use nuclear weapons, according to the Congressional Research Service report in April 2022.

While Russia never uses a nuke, the show of nuclear force, capabilities and readiness are enough to alarm its adversary. The steps usually include putting the nuclear forces on high combat alert, military exercises and testing nuclear-capable missiles.

When Putin put his nuclear forces on high combat alert on February 27, 2022, the US and NATO reacted accordingly.

The US postponed the test launch of the Minuteman III ICBM in March that year. Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said, “In an effort to demonstrate that we have no intention of engaging in any actions that can be misunderstood or misconstrued, the secretary of defence has directed that our Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic missile test launch scheduled for this week to be postponed.”

Then-White House press secretary Jen Psaki said, “At no point has Russia been under threat from NATO [or] has Russia been under threat from Ukraine.”

NATO secretary general Jens Stoltenberg said, “This is dangerous rhetoric. This is a behaviour which is irresponsible.”

On 19 February, a few days before the invasion, Russia conducted a massive simulated exercise of its nuclear triad—ICBMs, SLBMs and strategic bombers. The Zircon and Kinzhal cruise missiles, Yars ICBM, and Sineva and Kalibr SLBMs were fired and Tu-95 bombers, warplanes and submarines participated in the exercise.

“The main purpose of the exercise is to train the strategic offensive forces’ actions aimed at delivering a guaranteed defeat of the enemy,” Russia’s Chief of General Staff General Valery Gerasimov.

Russia can show its nuclear prowess by launching a nuke in an unpopulated area, against a populated centre inside Ukraine or against Ukrainian troops.

In the worst-case scenario, Russia could resort to the third option. However, one tactical nuke won’t obliterate the whole Ukrainian military; Russia would need to launch several such weapons. Besides, Russian soldiers would be exposed to radiation.

Putin also knows the risks involved in a nuclear retaliation. Such a drastic step would further isolate him globally and cement the anti-Russian coalition.

Putin’s nuclear threats haven’t wholly achieved their goals. NATO continues to supply missiles, 155mm artillery rounds, tanks and anti-tank weapons to Ukraine. NATO has also okayed the supply of F-16s and Ukrainian pilots are being trained in Romania.

However, Russia’s Reflexive Control has worked to an extent. NATO never deployed its troops in Ukraine to avoid a direct confrontation with Russia. If Ukraine were a NATO member, Article 5 would have come into effect, putting the bloc in direct confrontation with Russia—that’s why the US has avoided allowing Ukraine into the bloc.

America supplied the Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) to Ukraine last year on the assurance that they would not be used to strike inside Russia. Though the Biden administration is contemplating sending long-range ATACMS with a maximum range of 300 km if the House of Representatives approves the $95 military aid package, the missiles will be used to hit targets in Crimea, not inside Russia.

Recently, Stoltenberg said that Ukraine has the right to strike “Russian military targets outside Ukraine. That is international law and, of course, Ukraine has the right to do so to protect itself.”

However, Ukraine has used missiles to strike targets on its occupied territories, like Donetsk, Luhansk or Crimea, not deep inside Russia. Czech Repulic-supplied multiple rocket launcher RM-70 Vampire has been used to target the Russian border city of Belgorod.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, Russia neither fired the thermonuclear missiles nor completed the construction of their launch sites. Khrushchev’s diplomacy, misinformation, strategic ambiguity, and psychological pressure against Kennedy worked, and the US reaction was on expected lines.

Similarly, Putin hasn’t used tactical nukes against NATO despite stoking fears of a nuclear retaliation and has achieved his objectives to an extent.

The writer is a freelance journalist with two decades of experience and comments primarily on foreign affairs. Views expressed in the above piece are personal and solely those of the writer. They do not necessarily reflect Firstpost’s views.
One BIG DIFFERENCE between the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis and today.
Back then BOTH Nikita Khrushchev and John F Kennedy maintained daily communications and negotiations to DEESCALATE the conflict - today Biden and Putin have not talked in over two years and the US and NATO are pushing to expand the conflict.

As for all this talk on Nuclear Weapons - BOTH the US and Russia have equivalent positions and have had them for over 50 years. Back in 1970 the US policy to counter a Soviet attack (armor) on German was to fall back and use tactical Nukes on their tanks - even if Russia had not used Nukes. It was the only way to stop them.
Today Russia has stated the exact same policy - if necessary - if Russia is threatened - their forces overwhelmed they will fall back to using tactical Nukes - Exact same policy as the US has had for over 50 years.
 

Abert

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German intelligence services predict that Russia may launch an attack on NATO starting in 2026 – Business Insider

The analysis by German intelligence agencies suggests that Russia is preparing for a large-scale conflict with the West, evident from the reorganization of the Russian army, troop movements, missile deployments in the western regions, and an increase in arms production in Russia.
Not an attack from Russia into Europe - but given NATO keeps talking war with Russia - taking logical steps to prepare for NATO attacking Russia. Daily in the MSM all we get is the West needs to get ready for war with Russia. Russia has stated they have NO desire to attack Europe - they are already the largest nation on earth - don't need any more land.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
Hmmm...I wonder what Alexey Danilov will say about the Kiev election which will be held when?

Ukraine will closely monitor which countries recognize the presidential elections in...​

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Ukraine will closely monitor which countries recognize the presidential elections in Russia. Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council Alexey Danilov warned about this.

“There will be a difficult 2-3 months, because Russia is finishing the election cycle. Countries will recognize the results of elections in the Russian Federation, which is unacceptable and a disgrace in the modern world. We will closely monitor who congratulates Putin on his victory,” the Security Council Secretary threatened.

Well, they will track it, and then what? Crossed off the list of Kyiv sponsors?
You're probably right - a lot of sternly worded letters which threaten to remove those countries from the privileged list of Ukrainian donors.

Until the Ukies decide to come back around and have some more worldwide victory begging tours.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Umm Civil defense is a core to their building codes, 110% shelter capacity for rated capacity of any building. They have plans in place to recover as well. The US does not really anymore...

Yeah, but with what would be sent, that's something you can plan for about as well as the mega quake and tsunami Japan had. Besides if Russian planning for that contingency is anything like their planning for their invasion of Ukraine they may not be as prepped as Putin says.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The USA had a pretty good self-defense system, especially in urban areas. But all that was thrown away and dismantled by the 1990s (and had deteriorated before then). For the average person, there is zero, zip, and nada, even though they know that not everyone in a nuked urban area will die or be destined to die from radiation. They can, however, die from starvation, lack of water, no sanitation, and exposure. Some can also die of radiation but could recover just with a quick shower and change of clothing. But there won't be showers or uncontaminated clothing (or food and water).

So the billionaires, wealthy people, high-ranking VIPs, and some preppers (or very lucky people) will be the ones who are protected and likely to get through that initial couple of weeks until the radiation dies back. Everyone else is on their own.

That may not go well for folks in the fancy bunkers in the long run. They've got to come out sometime.
 

wait-n-see

Veteran Member

Ukraine's Costly Cross-Border PR Stunt + Russia Continues Out-Producing Collective West​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z5AcHFqN0g

Run time - 23:42
Mar 17, 2024

Update on the conflict in Ukraine for March 17, 2024…

- Attempts by Ukraine to cross the Ukrainian-Russian border near Belgorod have been defeated by Russian forces;

- The attacks took place as part of a larger public relations campaign involving pin-prick attacks across Russia as Russian elections began;

- Western media has previously reported that attacks deep into Russian territory are met by indifference or even more determined support for Moscow among the Russian public and that such public relations stunts are meant more to bolster flagging Ukrainian morale;

- Ukraine’s cross-border operations come at a time when its forces are being pushed back along the line of contact after losing the heavily fortified city of Avdeevka;

- The US has announced a $300 million arms and ammunition package for Ukraine including additional ammunition for HIMARS and 155mm shells;

- The US claims this package is the result of finding additional funding from previous allotments but is more likely damage control regarding Washington’s inability to properly supply its Ukrainian proxies;

- CNN admits that Russia is producing at least 3 times more artillery ammunition than the US and Europe combined, this follows Western media admissions that Russia is making overall at least 7 times more munitions of all kinds than the collective West;

References:

CNN - Drones and shelling hit Russia’s Belgorod amid third day of border skirmishes (March 14, 2024): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/14/eu...

Vice - Anti-Putin Militias Celebrating Attacks on Russia Are Filled With Neo-Nazis (May 2023): https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akdp...

France24 - Pro-Ukrainian armed groups launch incursion into Russia (March 12, 2024): https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20...

Washington Post - In Belgorod, Russian city hit hardest by war, Putin is still running strong (March 15, 2024): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...

Guardian - Kyiv’s drone strikes on Moscow mean Kremlin’s war can’t be ignored by Russians (August 2023): https://www.theguardian.com/world/202...

Reuters - US to send new weapons package worth $300 million for Ukraine (March 13, 2024): https://www.reuters.com/business/aero...

CNN - Exclusive: Russia producing three times more artillery shells than US and Europe for Ukraine (March 11, 2024): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/10/po...

NY Times - Russia Overcomes Sanctions to Expand Missile Production, Officials Say (September 2023): https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/us...
 

von Koehler

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The USA had a pretty good self-defense system, especially in urban areas. But all that was thrown away and dismantled by the 1990s (and had deteriorated before then). For the average person, there is zero, zip, and nada, even though they know that not everyone in a nuked urban area will die or be destined to die from radiation. They can, however, die from starvation, lack of water, no sanitation, and exposure. Some can also die of radiation but could recover just with a quick shower and change of clothing. But there won't be showers or uncontaminated clothing (or food and water).

So the billionaires, wealthy people, high-ranking VIPs, and some preppers (or very lucky people) will be the ones who are protected and likely to get through that initial couple of weeks until the radiation dies back. Everyone else is on their own.

That may not go well for folks in the fancy bunkers in the long run. They've got to come out sometime.

Plus protections from nuclear war are NOT cheap. With half the population unable to raise $400 in an emergency (they have to either sell something or borrow), preparations are a fantasy for most folks.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Plus protections from nuclear war are NOT cheap. With half the population unable to raise $400 in an emergency (they have to either sell something or borrow), preparations are a fantasy for most folks.
Not a fantasy. A choice. They choose not to prep. You don’t need a lot of fancy stuff. There are a number of shelters that can be built very cheaply and provide adequate protection. The question is what happens after. What happens to the Russians after they emerge from 2 weeks? Does the govt have the ability to provide for them in the medium term? Here the same question is asked of the individual. Our govt failed in it civil defense program so it is up to the individual.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not a fantasy. A choice. They choose not to prep. You don’t need a lot of fancy stuff. There are a number of shelters that can be built very cheaply and provide adequate protection. The question is what happens after. What happens to the Russians after they emerge from 2 weeks? Does the govt have the ability to provide for them in the medium term? Here the same question is asked of the individual. Our govt failed in it civil defense program so it is up to the individual.

Tell this to a family needing to go to a food bank.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not a fantasy. A choice. They choose not to prep. You don’t need a lot of fancy stuff. There are a number of shelters that can be built very cheaply and provide adequate protection. The question is what happens after. What happens to the Russians after they emerge from 2 weeks? Does the govt have the ability to provide for them in the medium term? Here the same question is asked of the individual. Our govt failed in it civil defense program so it is up to the individual.
This is why in a total collapse scenario if you can survive the first 30-90 days, you will be relatively ok. Mass die offs will occur in a matter of weeks for those that were not prepared...
 
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