ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

AlfaMan

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US says video of jet-drone encounter ‘decimates the Russian lie’​

BY BRETT SAMUELS - 03/16/23 2:24 PM ET
SHARETWEET

This photo taken from video released on Thursday, March 16, 2023, shows a Russian Su-27 approaching the back of the MQ-9 drone and beginning to release fuel as it passes, over the Black Sea, the Pentagon said. The Pentagon has released footage of what it says is a Russian aircraft conducting an unsafe intercept of a U.S. Air Force surveillance drone in international airspace over the Black Sea.
US Department of Defense via Associated Press
This photo taken from video released on Thursday, March 16, 2023, shows a Russian Su-27 approaching the back of the MQ-9 drone and beginning to release fuel as it passes, over the Black Sea, the Pentagon said. The Pentagon has released footage of what it says is a Russian aircraft conducting an unsafe intercept of a U.S. Air Force surveillance drone in international airspace over the Black Sea.
The White House on Thursday said the release of video showing a Russian fighter jet dumping fuel on a U.S. drone before it went down over the Black Sea undercut Russia’s version of events of the incident.
John Kirby, a White House spokesperson on national security issues, told reporters on a virtual briefing that the U.S. may never know what the intent of the Russian pilot was, but that the incident was “intentional harassment” and “intentionally aggressive.”
“The video is pretty darn conclusive about what happened and it absolutely just decimates the Russian lie,” Kirby said.
The Pentagon earlier Thursday released a video clip showing a Russian fighter jet approaching a U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone on Tuesday and releasing fuel as it passes. The fuel dump appeared to be intended to blind the drone and drive it out of the area, the Pentagon said.
U.S. officials have said a Russian fighter jet then struck the drone, damaging its propeller and forcing it to splash down in the Black Sea, though the video does not show the events before or after the fuel-dumping incident.
Russia has claimed its pilots didn’t strike the drone and that it went down after making a sharp maneuver.
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Kirby said the footage released by the Pentagon “clearly demonstrated our narrative of what happened.” He said he was not aware of any planned communication between U.S. and Russian officials after the release of the video.
“It is not uncommon at all for us to release imagery of these intercepts,” Kirby said. “We’ve done it plenty of times before… to lay bare and to make clear to the rest of the world the manner in which the Russians have been just flat out lying, flat out lying, about their accounts.”
The U.S. has maintained that its drone was flying over international waters and in international airspace during Tuesday’s incident. Administration officials have been adamant that Russia’s actions will not deter the U.S. from continuing to fly surveillance missions in the area or from supporting Ukraine in its fight against Russia’s invasion. US says video of jet-drone encounter ‘decimates the Russian lie’

If the Russians were going to use fuel, why didn't they just torch it? Like the Australian F-111's airshow party trick. That would have brought it down pretty quickly. Composites don't handle high heat well.
 

AlfaMan

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Chinese companies are shipping rifles, body armor to Russia

Customs data obtained by POLITICO reveals direct shipments of Chinese assault rifles, as well as drone shipments and body armor routed via Turkey and the UAE.
View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1636426509849116679?s=20

The Soviets send China the tech; go forward 40 years and the Chinese are shipping the same tech BACK to Russia. Is the world gone nuts or what?
 

vector7

Dot Collector
China, India, Russia, and Africa will form an eastern trading block, cutting the west off. BTW it's already moving that way now. (with trade, pedro yen, silk road) The way to bring the west to its knees is cut the oil and natural gas, and since the west are the only ones going green, they will suffer.
Post American World Emerging...

China insisted no English be used during the Saudi & Iran negotiations
RT 30secs
View: https://twitter.com/real1maria/status/1636263278492938240?s=20
 

AlfaMan

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juststarstuff
@juststarstuff


Replying to
@TheInsiderPaper
Russia warned in the beginning that if other countries gave jets to Ukraine it would be considered an act of war by that country.


2:07 PM · Mar 16, 2023
And you can guarantee the Russians will make good on that threat. These '29s are from the late 80's-similar in capability to a F-4 S rebuild, a mid life F-15A, a F-16 block 10 or 20 aircraft. Or these could be the ones bought from Germany.
In either event, not the latest greatest.

On the back end of this deal; Poland is going to replace these planes with KA-50s or F-16's. Wonder how much that's going to cost us-dollars to donuts Poland will buy these new planes with DOD FMS credits. In other words, Polish planes bought with you guessed it-American taxpayer money.


To add-I think the Mig 29 has a 4000 hour airframe lifetime limit. If these are close to that as the Polish are implying they might as well just send coffins. Much cheaper, same effect.
 

wait-n-see

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Just a reminder of why our troops don't belong in Ukraine. Remember how Nam was executed and how it ended.

Remember Afghanistan and Irag.

How many men did we lose, how many devastated physically and mentally? How much money thrown away? How many innocent civilians died.

And for what? While our cities and country dies. Screw Ukraine and Russia. They can both go to hell.

Enough of wasting the blood of our men and women for, and enriching the coffers, of the DS.


Also to note that the massacre was initially covered by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, the same one who covered how the US blew the Nord Stream pipeline.

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View: https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1636369475074392066
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Nearly every Ukranian woman I've ever met was a total babe.........
Of course Life is Life and statistics are statistics but I got to tell you people that the
sheer number of beautiful women in Ukraine per capita per is so much higher than any of the place in the world that I have ever been is phenomenal.
Of course chemistry is everything and superficial beauty is just that but that's where as a man I want to start
 

AlfaMan

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Just a reminder of why our troops don't belong in Ukraine. Remember how Nam was executed and how it ended.

Remember Afghanistan and Irag.

How many men did we lose, how many devastated physically and mentally? How much money thrown away? How many innocent civilians died.

And for what? While our cities and country dies. Screw Ukraine and Russia. They can both go to hell.

Enough of wasting the blood of our men and women for, and enriching the coffers, of the DS.


Also to note that the massacre was initially covered by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, the same one who covered how the US blew the Nord Stream pipeline.

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View: https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1636369475074392066
Found something you might find interesting. It's a series of man on the street interviews in 1971 regarding Lt. Calley. I don't know what to think; I was 4 when My Lai happened and 7 when these interviews were done. Interesting from a historical standpoint though.

WSB-TV newsfilm clip of a reporter John Philp conducting street interviews with civilians and soldiers outside the commissary following the conviction of lieutenant William Calley for his role in the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War, Fort Benning, Georgia, 1971 March 30
 

colonel holman

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If the Russians were going to use fuel, why didn't they just torch it? Like the Australian F-111's airshow party trick. That would have brought it down pretty quickly. Composites don't handle high heat well.
I was assuming they did this hoping the drone’s turboprop intake would suck up and ignite the fuel vapor… boom. Or at least choke it out
 

wait-n-see

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Washington's Downed Drone + Growing Admissions of Ukraine's Military Deterioration​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JITMO4WUuaE

Run time - 29:26
Mar 16, 2023

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for March 16, 2023:

- Russian warplanes intercepted and apparently clipped the propeller of a US MQ-9 drone carrying out surveillance near Crimea;

- The US has no means of recovering the drone, though Russia may have an opportunity to recover it;

- While the drone operated in international airspace according to the US, it was collecting intelligence on behalf of Ukraine as part of ongoing hostilities, as a party of the conflict and thus threatening Russian national security;

- Bakhmut continues to face encirclement;

- The Western media has begun admitting to the grim deterioration of Ukraine’s forces under the weight of Russia’s strategy of attrition;

- Ukraine has lost the majority of troops trained by NATO over the last 8-9 years;

- Ongoing NATO training is rushed, incapable of meeting or exceeding Russia’s pool of trained manpower;

- Ammunition and weapons are also admittedly running out;

- Ukraine may or may not be diverting reserves for an upcoming spring offensive to instead fight in Bakhmut;

- Any possible counteroffensive around Bakhmut might indicate just how badly deteriorated Ukraine’s forces have become;

References:

The Duran - MQ-9 Reaper drone, military tries to de-escalate. Neocons want to escalate: • MQ-9 Reaper drone...

Garland Nixon - WESTERN MEDIA SLOWLY ACKNOWLEDGES UKRAINE CATASTROPHE: https://www.youtube.com/live/9den3V3i...

US Department of Defense - Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Mark A. Milley Hold a Press Conference Following Ukraine Defense Contact Group Virtual Meeting (March 15, 2023): https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...

War on the Rocks - How to Think About Bakhmut and a Ukrainian Spring Offensive (March 14, 2023): https://warontherocks.com/2023/03/how...

Politico - Technology concerns imperil Gray Eagle drone transfer to Ukraine (2022): https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08...

Politico - ‘Ukraine doesn’t have any time to waste’: U.S. races to prepare Kyiv for spring offensive (March 15, 2023): https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03...

Washington Post - Ukraine short of skilled troops and munitions as losses, pessimism grow (March 13, 2023): https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...
 

AlfaMan

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US notes that Russia is trying to raise an American drone that fell into the Black Sea

I will say that we have taken steps to protect the information on board the vessel, and secondly, the remains are at a very great depth," -Pentagon spokesman Ryder
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View: https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1636449767927476225?s=20
We retired and eventually scrapped the Glomar Explorer. I'm certain they have a similar ship not only ready to use but heading that way as we speak.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Found something you might find interesting. It's a series of man on the street interviews in 1971 regarding Lt. Calley. I don't know what to think; I was 4 when My Lai happened and 7 when these interviews were done. Interesting from a historical standpoint though.
Calley was the designated scapegoat. Watch Breaker Morant for an equivalent from the Boer War. Calley was high enough rank to be a believable villain, low enough to be disposable.
 

colonel holman

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And you can guarantee the Russians will make good on that threat. These '29s are from the late 80's-similar in capability to a F-4 S rebuild, a mid life F-15A, a F-16 block 10 or 20 aircraft. Or these could be the ones bought from Germany.
In either event, not the latest greatest.

On the back end of this deal; Poland is going to replace these planes with KA-50s or F-16's. Wonder how much that's going to cost us-dollars to donuts Poland will buy these new planes with DOD FMS credits. In other words, Polish planes bought with you guessed it-American taxpayer money.


To add-I think the Mig 29 has a 4000 hour airframe lifetime limit. If these are close to that as the Polish are implying they might as well just send coffins. Much cheaper, same effect.
A beautiful strategy. Dump expired equipment in exchange for US updated equipment, on American taxpayer dime, making NATO more modern and way more consistent re ammo, components, systems, networks. And the MIC makes out great. Maybe we should buy some select stock in Raytheon etc to cash in at the investor level
 

Tristan

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Fact.

On one of Joe Rogan's podcasts, he mentioned that the Chinese version of TicTok promote materials to encourage learning, math and science concepts and propaganda to build cohesion in the state, while the Western version promotes sex and pornography, wokeness, silly diversions and division between groups. (paraphrased)

And they wrote and control the Algorithms that make those decisions.

I wonder why they'd do that? :rolleyes:
 
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colonel holman

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Rapidly approaching the “choose you poison” point whereby US-EU-DS is forced to choose between accepting a VERY costly defeat of Ukraine versus stepping in the “save the day” for the Ukes, resulting in WW3. Seems inevitable at this point. As badly as Russia has performed, they will certainly out-bleed the Ukes in the game of attrition. The West will soon be forced into making a fateful decision. THAT will be a huge tipping point for the world
 

wait-n-see

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Found something you might find interesting. It's a series of man on the street interviews in 1971 regarding Lt. Calley. I don't know what to think; I was 4 when My Lai happened and 7 when these interviews were done. Interesting from a historical standpoint though.

WSB-TV newsfilm clip of a reporter John Philp conducting street interviews with civilians and soldiers outside the commissary following the conviction of lieutenant William Calley for his role in the My Lai massacre during the Vietnam War, Fort Benning, Georgia, 1971 March 30

Thank for the link. I was in HS at the time and remember the early reporting and trial. We were never told the whole story, such as the raping of girls and woman before being shot, We got only a sanitized version, which was what we were supposed to know as we had only newspapers and TV. TV national news was only 30 minutes. Back then the popular opinion was the gooks deserved it as they are not fighting for themselves, and there is no way our troops would do something like that unless provoked (remember we were not told about the full extent of the rapes, or how wide spread these massacres were as they were still covered up at that time).

I believed the same way back then. It was years later after seeing the interviews of the actual troops doing the killing, and the acknowledgement of a My Lai happening every month with many smaller ones in between, that I realized how wrong I was back then.

Sorry for any thread drift. It just pisses me off seeing us being led so easily by the nose again by the DS.
 

Tristan

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Rubio seems to be another statist dumbass. I would like for him to clarify just what our interests are there. Sending a drone with fighter jet escorts to respond in the future. He really is a moron. Rubio needs some trench time in Ukraine.

He said all the right things before his election - but appears to have bent the knee pretty quickly after getting there.
 

Old Greek

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wait-n-see

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Ukraine: The media are beginning to recognize the reality

March 16, 2023
by Moon of Alabama

The truth about the real state of the Ukrainian army is finally beginning to appear in the mainstream media. The situation is as serious as we have it described many times times, although it has not yet been fully revealed.

As the The Washington Post . " LUkraine runs out of trained troops and ammunition as casualties and pessimism mount ».

I will leave aside the elements of propaganda to focus on the facts. The quotes are long but necessary to capture the depth of the horrible situation.

The first paragraph:

« The quality of Ukrainian military strength, once considered a substantial advantage over Russia, was degraded by a year of casualties that kept many of the most experienced fighters off the battlefield, leading some Ukrainian officials to question kyiv's readiness for the long-awaited spring offensive. »

This spring offensive has as much chance of happening as the announced relief campaign to unblock Bakhmout. The latter got stuck in the mud, which will only get worse over the next few weeks.

The spring campaign will be made up of young recruits who will be asked to use a wild mix of weapons they are unfamiliar with. Short of a Western surprise, I don't see how it could overwhelm well-prepared Russian defense lines.

Back to the article:

« The influx of inexperienced recruits, brought in to make up for casualties, has changed the profile of Ukrainian forces, which also suffer from a shortage of ammunition, including artillery shells and mortar bombs, according to military personnel on field.

“The most valuable thing in wartime is combat experience,” said a battalion commander from the 46th Air Assault Brigade, who is identified only by his call sign, Kupol, in accordance with the Ukrainian military protocol. “A soldier who has survived six months of combat and a soldier who leaves the firing range are two different soldiers. It's day and night ". "And there are only a few soldiers who have combat experience," Kupol added. "Unfortunately, they are all already dead or injured."

These grim assessments have spread a palpable, if mostly unacknowledged, pessimism from the front lines to the corridors of power in the capital, Kyiv.
»

Ukrainian losses, estimated closer to 200 than 000 dead and even more wounded, are particularly felt at the lower command level. You cannot kidnap a vendor or a teacher from the street and put him in a subordinate command position.

« Kupol said he was speaking in hopes of getting better training for Ukrainian forces from Washington and that he hoped Ukrainian troops held back for an upcoming counteroffensive would be more successful than the Ukrainian troops. inexperienced soldiers who are currently on the front lines under his command.

"We always believe in miracles," he said. “Either it will be a massacre and corpses, or it will be a professional counter-offensive. There are two options. But there will be a counter-offensive in both cases”.
»

It will indeed take a miracle for the counter-offensive to be anything other than a massacre.

« A senior Ukrainian official, who spoke on condition of anonymity for the sake of candor, described the number of tanks promised by the West as “symbolic”. Others privately expressed pessimism that promised supplies would reach the battlefield in time.

"If you have more resources, you attack more actively," the senior official said. “If you have fewer resources, you defend yourself more. We will defend ourselves. Therefore, if you ask me for my personal opinion, I don't believe in a major counter-offensive on our part. I would like to believe it, but I look at the resources and I wonder: “With what? ". Perhaps we will have localized advances”. "We have neither the men nor the weapons," added the senior official. “And you know the ratio: When you're on the offensive, you lose two or three times as many people. We cannot afford to lose so many people.”
»

The United States is not going to wonder if " Ukraine can afford these losses ». They will push for a full-scale attack that is unlikely to go beyond its preparation phase.

« Kupol, who agreed to be photographed and said he understood he could face personal retaliation if he gave a candid assessment, described what it was like to go into battle with soldiers recruits who had never thrown a grenade, who easily gave up their positions under fire and who lacked confidence in the handling of firearms.

His unit withdrew from Soledar in eastern Ukraine over the winter after being surrounded by Russian forces who then seized the town. Kupol recalls that hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers from the units fighting alongside his battalion simply abandoned their positions, even as the fighters of the Russian mercenary group Wagner continued to advance.


After a year of war, Lieutenant Colonel Kupol said his battalion was unrecognizable. Out of about 500 soldiers, around 400 were killed in action and another XNUMX were wounded, which led to a complete turnover of personnel. Lt. Col. Kupol said he was the battalion's only military professional and described the difficulty of leading a unit made up entirely of inexperienced soldiers.

“I get 100 new soldiers,” he explains. “They don't give me time to prepare them. They tell me: “Take them to battle”. They drop everything and run. That's all. Do you understand why? Because the soldier does not shoot. I ask him why and he replies: "I'm afraid of the sound of the gunshot." And for some reason he never threw a grenade. … We need NATO instructors in all our training centers, and our instructors must be sent there, in the trenches. Because they failed in their task”.

He described severe ammunition shortages, including a lack of single mortar bombs and grenades for US-made MK 19s. (…)

"You are on the front line," said Kupol. “They come towards you and there is nothing to shoot. »

Kupol said kyiv should focus on systematically better preparing new troops. "It's like all we're doing is giving interviews and telling people that we've already won, just pull back a bit more, in two weeks, and we'll win," he said. he declared.
»

Yes, kyiv, helped by the media” westerners speaks of a victory that will probably never happen. On the ground, the point of view is quite different:

« Dmytro, a Ukrainian soldier whom The Post identifies only by first name for security reasons, described many of the same conditions. Some of the less experienced soldiers serving in his post with the 36th Marine Brigade in the Donetsk region "are afraid to leave the trenches", he said. The bombings are sometimes so intense that a soldier has a panic attack, then “others catch him”.

The first time he saw his comrades in arms very shaken, Dmytro tried to make them understand the reality of the risks. The next time, he said, they "just ran out of position." "I don't blame them," he said. "They were so confused."
»

Yes, the shock of the shell is real. Being under artillery fire is terrifying. Especially when you're a novice, sitting in a ditch with no armor and no way to answer it.

Russian artillery supremacy explains why Ukrainian losses are a multiple from those on the Russian side. But even if infantrymen are available and well trained, nothing can compensate the loss of the backbone of an army:

« Ukraine has lost many of its junior officers who had received American training over the past nine years, eroding a leadership corps that helped distinguish Ukrainians from their Russian enemies at the start of the invasion, said said the Ukrainian official. Today, these forces must be replaced. “Many of them were killed,” the official said. »

Replaced by what? It takes years to train a master sergeant or a captain. These positions require field experience. No civilian training can replace this experience. Three-week courses, taught by officers " westerners without real experience of war, will not be able to compensate for this:

« Even with new equipment and training, U.S. military officials consider Ukrainian forces insufficient to attack all along the giant front, where Russia has erected significant defenses, so troops are trained to seek out the weak points that will allow them to break through with tanks and armored vehicles. »

There will be no weak points. Or maybe there will be, intentionally left open by the Russians, to attract the " counter attack Ukrainian girl and trap her in a large cauldron.

It's over for Ukraine. Russian forces wrap Ukrainian units in several small cauldrons. Bakhmout is just one of them. To the south of it is the agglomeration of New York which will become another. Avdiivka, further south, is also in big trouble and may even be the first of the three towns to fall.




Even the New York Times begins to to notice :

« From Kupiansk in the north to Avdiivka in the south, through Bakhmut, Lyman and dozens of towns in between, Russian forces are attacking in a 160-mile arc across eastern Ukraine, in an ever-increasing struggle intense to gain a tactical advantage before possible spring offensives. Heavy fighting was reported Monday in and around Avdiivka, a town that has been on the front lines for most of the past year and in recent days has again become a focal point of fighting. (…)

In Bakhmut, where the private military company Wagner has taken control of the eastern part of the city, brutal fighting is taking place in the streets, on the destroyed remains of buildings and in the depths of mines, according to Russian military bloggers. (…)

In Kupiansk and surrounding villages, Russia intensified shelling and ground assaults, and Ukraine ordered civilians to leave. Russian shelling also intensified in Lyman and other towns. According to the Ukrainian army, Russian forces attempt more than 100 times a day to break through their lines.

With few people and buildings intact, the most contested places have little to offer except control of the roads and railroads that the Kremlin sees as important to its goal of seizing of the entire eastern region known as "Donbass". Assaults can also provide better positioning for the next attack, gain intelligence on the other side's positions, and have propaganda value.
»

Le NYT does not mention it, but the most important thing is that the Russian forces, in all these attacks, are destroying the Ukrainian army.

In a few weeks, after the collapse of these three cauldrons, the Ukrainian army will be on the run. It will then be summer and the mud will have dried. Russian forces will then become more mobile, which could even allow them to make greater movements.

The only way for the Ukrainian army to counter these movements will be to use the forces it is currently preparing for a " counteroffensive as defense formations. But even that will only give him about three more months before the inevitable collapse.
 

wait-n-see

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Secret reasons for financing the conflict in Ukraine by Washington

March 16, 2023
by Alexandre Lemoine

Delivering weapons to Ukraine allows the United States to save money on their recycling, as the date of exploitation of these weapons is coming to an end.


According to estimates ofAmerican Thinker, Washington should have spent about $35 billion on recycling them.

In discussions of the costs of the current conflict between Russia and NATO, which has taken the form of a proxy war in Ukraine, many people emphasize the costs of purchasing weapons and ammunition which are transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the arsenals of the United States and NATO. The amount of these costs has been described as following : " Total U.S. assistance to Ukraine from January 24, 2022 through January 15, 2023 is $76,8 billion, [including] $46,6 billion for military purposes ».

This sum of 46,6 billion dollars refers mainly to weapons that were purchased decades ago, which are usable for about 20 years and which will soon disappear from the American arsenal. Under normal conditions, when such weapons are removed from service, they must be decommissioned and recycled, resulting in significant expense to the United States and its allies.

Le process decommissioning or neutralization of military objects is divided into several stages and categories, described in the Army Cost Analysis Manual, as well as in certain additional documents.

The process of decommissioning weapons is very expensive. By sending old weapons to Ukraine, which are nearing the end of their useful life, the United States and its NATO allies are simply avoiding this expense.

What is the cost of these expenses? It is difficult to obtain real data to make an accurate assessment, but it is possible to take as an example the purchase of chemical weapons during the Cold War and the costs of their neutralization at the end of their useful life. According to a investigation report of the United States Government Accountability Office of 1985 entitled " Cost estimates for demilitarization and production of chemical munitions ", the cost of creating the US arsenal of chemical weapons needed to stem the USSR from using them against NATO allies was " the total cost of producing three weapon binary systems for the next eight years ". After " It amounts to 2,749 billion dollars, of which 178 million will be spent on scientific research and experimental development, 312 million on production capacity and 2,259 billion on production itself. “, indicates the document. The cost of decommissioning and recycling these weapons has been estimated at around $1,7 billion.

Using this example as a basis, it follows that the decommissioning and recycling of arms and ammunition worth $46,6 billion transferred to Ukraine would cost approximately $35 billion. This estimate is probably overestimated, because the decommissioning of conventional weapons that the United States sends to kyiv costs less than the disposal of chemical weapons. However, these conventional weapons still contain many dangerous and expensive components to deactivate, which means that even though their disposal will cost a little less, it is still a very large sum.

In the future, it is possible that NATO policy will change, as continued aid to Ukraine will likely result in additional costs for producing new weapons rather than avoiding the costs of decommissioning old ones.
 

wait-n-see

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Russia Claims Control Avdeevka Roads, MSM Russia Tasting Victory Bakhmut, US Demands Counterattack​

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMYsgUuUa2E

Run time 1:03;11
Mar 16, 2023

(time line from comments)

TIME STAMPS

- Intro 00:00

- Battelfield review 01:42

--- Avdiivka 2:20

--- Bakhmut 07:00

--- Kupiansk 16:11

--- Reuters comment on Northern front (Liman)17:30

- 'Kiiv Independent' devastating (truly sad) Bakhmut account 20:15

- Politico war-mongering article - 'spring offensive' 35:00

- Shoigu-Austin call - drone incident 43:08

- Syria Assad in Moscow 49:33

- Xi in Moscow 50:25

- Russian economy KPIs 51:05

- Global financial crisis vs. Russian economy 57:25
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
If the Russians were going to use fuel, why didn't they just torch it? Like the Australian F-111's airshow party trick. That would have brought it down pretty quickly. Composites don't handle high heat well.

Perhaps the Russians simply wanted to cause the drone to fall into the Black Sea, where the Russians might be able to recover the debris for intelligence analysis.
 

AlfaMan

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Thank for the link. I was in HS at the time and remember the early reporting and trial. We were never told the whole story, such as the raping of girls and woman before being shot, We got only a sanitized version, which was what we were supposed to know as we had only newspapers and TV. TV national news was only 30 minutes. Back then the popular opinion was the gooks deserved it as they are not fighting for themselves, and there is no way our troops would do something like that unless provoked (remember we were not told about the full extent of the rapes, or how wide spread these massacres were as they were still covered up at that time).

I believed the same way back then. It was years later after seeing the interviews of the actual troops doing the killing, and the acknowledgement of a My Lai happening every month with many smaller ones in between, that I realized how wrong I was back then.

Sorry for any thread drift. It just pisses me off seeing us being led so easily by the nose again by the DS.
I apologise for the thread drift as well.

And I sincerely thank you for your perspective on those events. I read research and study on all sorts of things-but it's always valuable to get the perspectives from people on events too. It's too easy to write to produce a particular opinion; but it's hard to change the minds of the people who lived in the time of the event.
 

jward

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The Pentagon is currently conducting an Assessment on whether they should continue Surveillance Drone Flights over the Black Sea due to the Increase in Russian Interceptions and Risky Behavior while in the Region.
If it is decided this would halt Surveillance Flights of U.S. Air Force RQ-4 Global Hawks and MQ-9 Reapers over the Black Sea that have taken place since before the Russian Invasion of Ukraine.
 
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