ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

vector7

Dot Collector
Vindman committed Treason when he released the transcript of the perfect call between Trump and Zelenskyy.

He wasn't a Whistle-blower, he was a partisan hack working to protect Trader Joe Biden

Now Vindman wants to personally grift ($12M) to transport our weapons to Ukrainian troops on the Russian front.... no f...ing way in Hell

This is the same Vindman who got booted from Twitter for being considered a bot....
View: https://twitter.com/Chicago1Ray/status/1632094538427772928?t=EIV9MNA8qiErpIn5FJK1zw&s=19
 

jward

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Victor vicktop55
@vicktop55
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1/6 War correspondent Vladlen Tatarsky in his nightly video today: "Russia has never won easily. We fought in the North Caucasus for 17 years. In some areas of the front in the Donbas, the front line has not moved since February 2022.
2/6 In other sectors of the front, thanks to huge efforts, the front line has moved several kilometers."
I am writing about this for those who are in a hurry to win faster. It won't be faster. And I'm not going to make any predictions here,
3/6 because the worst of them always come true. Russia is becoming a military country. A war of such a huge scale will force Russia to become a military country. And here it is the military production that will fight and win. Russia is already producing mountains of weapons.
4/6 The escalation of hostilities is inevitable. But it is clear that nothing will be solved by one spring company. You don't want me to say that this war will last 17 years, do you? No. I'm not saying.
5/6 But you know that I believe that the war can end only as a result of Russia's complete victory. The war can stop, it can start again. It can move west, it can move east. But it will all end only after Russia's victory.
6/6 But the war cannot be eternal, which means that the victory of Russia is inevitable. Victor vicktop55


The West will abandon Ukraine, as the United States abandoned Afghanistan. And then the war will end in three days.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Another Point of View Worthy of Consideration. Part One

You And Whose Army?​

NATO would do well to stay out of Ukraine.​


Aurelien
Mar 1
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I will do such things –
What they are yet I know not, but they shall be
The terrors of the Earth! -
Shakespeare, King Lear.

Ignorant politicians and muddled pundits have been making noises recently, threatening, or even fantasising about, some kind of formal NATO intervention in Ukraine. In general, they have no idea what they are talking about, and what the practical implications of intervention would be. Here are a few examples of why it’s a stupid idea.
Back in January 1990, I was in NATO HQ in Brussels for a routine meeting of some kind. It was one of those cold, wet days that Belgium specialises in, but there was more than that behind the chilly, mausoleum-like atmosphere of the deserted corridors. For the last few months, the ground had been moving under NATO’s feet continuously, and, not long before Christmas, Rumania, the last hold-out of the Warsaw Pact, had gone up in flames. Nobody had the remotest idea what was going to happen next week, let alone next month, and NATO was beginning to resemble a demonstrator with a placard for a cause that was already out of date. National capitals were struggling to simply keep up with what was going on. I had asked a colleague just back from Washington what the hawks in the Bush Administration were saying. “They’re in a state of shock” was the reply.
The fact that NATO still exists nearly thirty-five years later, and that it now has twice as many members as it did then, has encouraged some people who haven’t been paying attention to believe that NATO is still the same powerful military organisation it was in 1989, and therefore it’s only necessary to threaten formal involvement in Ukraine, and the Russians will creep away. They could not be more dangerously wrong.
The fact that NATO survived at all after 1989 was a surprise to some. But as I’ve pointed out, the Alliance did actually serve a number of useful purposes for European states, and in any case, the world was changing so rapidly that it was not only impossible to agree on what to replace it with, but it was impossible to know what kind of tasks any future organisation would have to carry out anyway. Organisations don’t just suddenly close down, and in any case NATO actually had quite a lot still to do. That day in January 1990, NATO was still deeply involved in the Arms Control negotiations in Vienna that finally gave the Cold War a decent burial, and continued to have great deal to do, as the negotiating partners across the table started to have what might be described as coordination problems, and as one of them came round to our side of the table. When that saga and its attendant complications were finally sorted out, NATO found itself in Bosnia, then taking in new members in a way that hadn’t been anticipated, then in Kosovo, then in Afghanistan. All of this was essentially improvised: there was no master-plan, other than a pervasive consensus that NATO was more useful than not, and that it was necessary to find things for it to do to keep it going.
But an awful lot was changing behind the scenes. The military structure of NATO, set up in a panic after the Korean War and always ready to mobilise at short notice, was clearly serving no useful purpose now. Slowly at first, and then with increasing speed, the national contingents that had made up its standing forces started to melt away. One after another, European nations abandoned national service, radically reduced the size of their military forces, and stood down their mobilisation procedures. The US forces progressively went home. The generation of military equipment that was coming into service at the time was eventually deployed, in small numbers, and for the most part is still in service now. The tanks and aircraft that NATO intends to send to Ukraine (the Challenger II, the Leopard II, the F-16) are essentially 1970s designs, albeit much updated.
The recognition that NATO’s capability for serious warfare is a shadow of what it once was is slowly starting to percolate through the strategic community, which hasn’t been paying attention for the last generation or so, because its eyes have been fixed on Afghanistan and Iraq. But in fact the situation is a lot worse than that, and as often the real problems are hidden away in the technical complexities. I’ll cover some of those very briefly, to explain why NATO intervention in Ukraine is not really possible, if it were possible not desirable, and even if it were desirable totally ineffective, and even dangerous. Since I don’t have a military background, I’ll leave that part to the experts, and concentrate on the wider issues.
As the British have been making some of the most belligerent noises recently, let’s look at what has changed there since the Cold War. In 1989, the British Army of the Rhine could field a complete Corps of four Divisions, some 55,000 soldiers, ready to be reinforced in war by almost as many reservists and regular units moving from the UK. (The heavy equipment was essentially in place.) There was also a powerful air component. During what was called the Transition to War phase, mobilisation would have taken place under emergency wartime powers, taking people away from their jobs, and commandeering transport and logistic resources to move tens of thousands of combatants to Europe, while families were evacuated in the other direction. Normal government would be replaced, and Parliament would effectively dissolve itself. Tens of thousands of other troops would be mobilised for Home Defence. Civil Defence measures would be introduced to cope with anticipated bombing raids and sabotage operations. Government itself would be dispersed, and Ministers would function as Regional Commissioners.
Similar arrangements were taking place on the Continent, of course. Millions of reservists would have been recalled, sent to their units, and in some cases moved hundreds of kilometres into their wartime locations. Ordinary life would effectively have come to a halt, because mobilisation would have required all of the resources of the nations involved. That’s what modern “war” actually means: why should the Russians agree now to some arrangement that causes us less trouble? Why should they agree to some kind of “war minus,” limited only to Ukraine?
So you have to wonder whether any of the nonentities who talk about being “at war” with Russia have any idea what that means, and understand how these days even the most basic mechanisms don’t exist to make it possible. For a start, war is not just something we do to others. This is not waving goodbye to the boys as they set sail to do battle in foreign climes, this is picking a fight deliberately with someone who can hurt us a lot more than we can hurt them. There are a host of practical implications here: let’s just pick out a few of the more important ones.
Nobody “declares war” these days. Since the Nuremberg Trials and the United Nations Charter, wherein nations undertake to abstain from the use of force, it is no longer possible to proactively begin a state of war with another nation. To say, as some have “we are at war with Russia” is therefore meaningless except as a political slogan. It has no legal force. The only body capable of, in effect, “declaring war” is the Security Council, and that will clearly not happen in this case. Since the Russians have been careful not to attack NATO territory or deliberately engage NATO forces, no “state of war” can be said to exist with NATO nations. What does exist, is a state of “armed conflict”, which has its own definition: essentially protracted armed violence between states or between states and other armed groups. But “armed conflict” is precisely a state of affairs, not a process or a declaration, and it exists or it doesn’t as a matter of fact and law. Thus, whilst it’s obvious that there is an armed conflict in Ukraine, it’s equally obvious that western states are not parties to it. So it’s hard to see how the fantasies of the bellicose politicians could actually be fulfilled.
The only potential way in which this could be done would be if Ukraine made a formal request for military assistance from western states. This is how the Russians have justified their own operations in Ukraine, by arguing that they are assisting the breakaway republics to exercise their right of self-defence, which is preserved (though of course it was not established) by Article 51 of the UN Charter. But it’s not obvious what this would mean in practice, and how far western forces could actually go. Direct attacks on Russian territory, for example, would probably be ruled out if this argument were used.
But let us say that somehow these problems could be overcome, and it was joyfully announced that NATO nations were going to enter the conflict as full belligerents. This would make the Russians tremble, wouldn’t it? Actually not. You see, if we are in a state of war with another country, and free to attack them, then they are also free to attack us. There’s no way in which such a conflict could be confined to Ukraine, and no reason why the Russians would want to. So the first consequence is that NATO nations, NATO forces and NATO targets would be exposed to immediate Russian attack, at a point where sub-committees were still labouring away in Brussels trying to generate forces. So what would the Russians reasonably do?
Well, in a state of war, any “military objective” can be attacked. In practice today, this means military units, military headquarters, the political decision-making chain for the war, and the infrastructure of transport, power, industry etc. which is needed to support it. Now we do not know, and the Russians are obviously not going to tell us, what their long-range strike capabilities with conventional weapons actually are. We do not know, for example, precisely what capabilities they have to bombard the United States with conventional munitions from ships and submarines, and if they intend to use them, but it would be unwise to rule the possibility out. But we have to assume, if only for planning purposes, that they have ways of striking important targets in most or all western countries, with missiles launched from aircraft, ships or submarines. If we very conservatively limit Russian capabilities to attacks on twenty-five major targets, what might they do, bearing in mind that NATO has no effective defence against such attacks? Some targets are obvious: the Pentagon and the White House, for example, or the headquarters of the CIA and the NSA. NATO HQ in Brussels would not last long, not would its military HQ in Mons. The Defence Ministries, Military HQs and Chancelleries of the major European powers can assumed to be likely targets as well.
But of course the Russians are not obliged to hand over a target list, and so in practice, western states would have to consider hundreds of sites as potential targets, depending on what stocks of missiles the Russians had and how they decided to use them. Obviously, all military airfields would be potential targets. But whereas you concentrate ground forces in a time of tension, you disperse air forces. During the Cold War, many countries kept reserve airfields on standby: I’d be astonished if there are many such now. In practice, aircraft would have to be dispersed to civilian airports, which would then become military targets and would have to be closed to civil flights. All military bases, military garrisons, HQs, ammunition storage facilities, repair depots, naval bases, civilian ports to which naval vessels might be dispersed, intelligence gathering facilities and major transport hubs, among other things, would have to be considered potential targets.
All this matters, for two reasons. Firstly, no government today has made serious provision for continuing to run the country during a conventional war, with the risk of air and missile attack. In the earlier days of the Cold War, there were plans for governments to go underground during the conventional phase of any war in special shelters, a number of which still exist. But towards the end, nuclear weapons had become so accurate and powerful that it was thought very unlikely that any of these facilities would survive a subsequent nuclear attack, and so they tended to fall into disuse. So effectively, not only are NATO nations unable to defend against such a conventional missile attack, they have no means of protecting what is called the “continuity of government” from such attacks either. So a missile on the Elyséé Palace, one on the Defence Ministry and one on the Land Forces HQ at Lille, and that would be about it for France, for example.
Secondly, whilst the new generation of Russian missiles are allegedly pretty accurate, we must remember that accuracy is relative, and cannot be guaranteed. Accuracy is normally expressed according to a measure known as the Circular Error Probable, or CEP. This is the radius from the target within which fifty per cent of the missiles are expected to fall. No guarantees are given about where the other fifty per cent will land. So if a missile has a CEP of 200 metres, then fifty per cent of the time it is expected to land within a circle 400 metres across, whose epicentre is the intended target. Given this, given the blast radius of the explosions and the tendency of some missiles to get lost, it’s safe to say that anyone or any building within a kilometre of a potential high value target is potentially at risk. All over the western world, hundreds of thousands of people often live near airports, seaports, and headquarters. (The UK’s Permanent Joint HQ is in a quiet outer suburb of London.)
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Another Point of View Worthy of Consideration. Part Two

You And Whose Army?​

NATO would do well to stay out of Ukraine.​

In many European cities, government and military facilities are clustered close together in the centre of the capital. This means that much of the city-centre itself would be at risk. It’s not at all clear, in most countries, where government could decamp to in a crisis so that it could continue operations. Even if it were possible to evacuate the senior figures of government to a nominally safer place, it would be necessary to close at least the centre of some cities down completely to the public (since some government services would have to remain and thus be targets) and there would be no way of preventing the spontaneous evacuation of tens or hundreds of thousands of ordinary residents as well. In effect, with modern levels of car ownership, motorways would soon be jammed with people fleeing sites that were expected, or rumoured, to be on the Russian target list. No modern government has plans for evacuating and housing large numbers of refugees these days, or even for managing a spontaneous popular exodus. All this, of course, would start to happen before the first Russian missile was fired, assuming any actually were. The fact that western governments would have to explain that there was no effective defence against such missiles, and that there were no plans and no facilities to protect the civilian population against them, would not help to calm the political climate either. No western government has the forces or the plans available to contain the panic and confusion that are likely to result.

But surely, you say, western publics will be comforted with the thought that their own forces are performing retribution on Russia? Well, not necessarily. Simply put, western nations have seen little need for long-range conventional missiles, and have not put a great deal of effort into developing them. The best known are the Tomahawk family of subsonic cruise missiles, with ranges mostly around 1000-1500 km, and with a warhead of about 500kg (roughly equivalent to a single bomb dropped by a German bomber in 1940). Such weapons can be effective, but they are launched from ships and submarines, and so the targets need to be near enough to the sea. This is where it is useful to get a map out.

The first thing that strikes you is that Russia is a big place. The second is that Moscow is a long way away. Tomahawk missiles launched from the Baltic or the Eastern Mediterranean might have the range to get to Moscow, at least in theory. On the other hand, as the punditocracy itself now remembers being told, Russia has inherited from the Soviet Union the world’s most comprehensive air defence system. Quite what its effectiveness would be against subsonic but low-flying cruise missiles, not even experts really know. That said, NATO cannot pose anything like the same threat to Russia that new Russian missiles can pose to NATO countries, and it must be assumed that the Russians would be able to detect and target the NATO launching system themselves. Manned aircraft trying to drop conventional bombs on Moscow from bases in Europe, even if they had the range, could be expected to suffer such losses that no government would consider their use worthwhile.

But let us assume that cities and target areas can be safely evacuated and western governments and economies put onto a genuine wartime footing. Air power and missiles are going to be ineffective, so the only real option is to form and deploy a multinational mechanised force of some kind, presumably to help the Ukrainians recover the territory they claim as theirs.

Well, let’s stop right there. Western nations no longer know how to do such things. I’m talking about military doctrine: the set of principles that tells commanders how to fight. NATO has none for offensive mechanised operations far from home territory, and never has had. During the Cold War NATO’s orientation, and thus its doctrine, was defensive. The assumption was that its forces would face an attack from a larger and more powerful enemy, and that they would conduct a fighting withdrawal, hoping to stop the enemy incursion as close to the Inner German Border as possible. At all times, therefore, NATO forces would be falling back on their own supply lines, and towards their own reserves, and their own maintenance and supply depots, while enemy forces would be getting progressively farther from theirs.

To my knowledge, NATO commanders have never trained or exercised for long-distance aggressive mechanised warfare, and there is no doctrine for it, which is to say nobody knows how to do it, let alone how to integrate ground forces with air and other assets. in Bosnia, NATO was an occupation army, which did no fighting. After the air campaign against Serbia, the situation in Kosovo was similar. In Afghanistan, NATO as such only deployed after the Taliban regime had been defeated, and most of its activities were small-scale counter-insurgency. The nearest equivalent to the kind of operation that would be necessary in Ukraine (albeit then with overwhelming forces and complete air superiority) was Iraq in 2003, but the senior commanders of that era have long since retired and the institutional knowledge has been long lost.

Moreover, whilst Brigade-sized units still exist in western armies, they are more and more administrative formations, that seldom if ever train together. Any western force would have to spend something between weeks and months training together, complete with mobilised reservists, before it could be considered ready to deploy. Then of course it would have to train with Brigades from other nations, all in the absence of an agreed coherent military doctrine. Since by that stage NATO would inevitably have had to admit that it was in a state of war with Russia, one could only hope that the Russians would not unsportingly target the units while they were training.

Above all, what would the objective be? “Kill Russians” is not a military objective. When the Supreme Allied Commander Europe comes to the North Atlantic Council after all this preparation and says “what do you want me to do?” they had better have an answer. But there is none, or to be precise none that even begins to respond to the political hype. With considerable difficulty (see below) some western military units could be transported to Western Ukraine, where they could form an improvised garrison around some major Ukrainian cities. This might be politically effective in the short term, but the forces themselves would be completely exposed, since they could be attacked by the Russians without being able to respond. And it’s uncertain how long western publics would agree to having their entire usable armies tied up in a static position in Ukraine. Moreover, many European combat units are heavily dependent on reservists: the only serious combat unit in the Dutch Army, for example, the 43rd Mechanised Brigade with its handful of tanks, relies on reservists for around a quarter of its operational strength: how long can you keep them away from their jobs and families?

But of course to begin with, you’d have to get them even that far. In the Cold War, NATO (and for that matter Soviet) troops were essentially in the positions they fought their way to in 1945. In both cases, the occupied existing Wehrmacht facilities. Over the decades, new units and new equipment were brought in little by little, accommodation constructed, and so forth. This kind of infrastructure would have to be reproduced in Ukraine and, even if UAF facilities were used, there would still be a massive deployment and infrastructure building programme, taking years.

And in any case, the fighting isn’t there anyway. It’s taking place around a thousand kilometres to the East, so any NATO troops would have to move again, the distance roughly between Paris and Munich, just to get to where the fighting was. I don’t think there is any precedent in history for that kind of movement of heavy equipment and manpower over such a distance, under air and missile attack, and into contact with superior forces.

Western tanks of the Cold War, like the Leopard, the Challenger and the M1, were built to fight a defensive war. Whilst some models were lighter than others, all were expected to use the excellent infrastructure, sturdy bridges and railway systems of western Europe, and to begin the war not that far from where they were stationed. Just getting them, their recovery vehicles and variants for engineering etc. to the front line would be a challenge. But of course it’s more than that. Even “light” armoured tracked vehicles can’t easily move along some roads without damaging them, or cross all bridges. To get an idea of what moving a Brigade, even over permissive terrain, would actually entail, have a look at this diagram of a typical UK Armoured Infantry Brigade. You’ll see that it has some 500 combat vehicles, of which around ten per cent are Main Battle Tanks, that would, in turn, require large and heavy transporters to move them any distance. To that need to be added recovery vehicles, repair vehicles, engineer vehicles, medical vehicles and a whole set of transport and supply vehicles. This could easily amount to a column some ten kilometres long, needing to travel along cleared and secured routes across most of Europe. (To say nothing of getting them across the Channel in the first place.) Once in position the Brigade would need to be resupplied, provided with POL, spares and consumables, workshops and a small hospital. If it saw action, casualties would need to be evacuated, reinforcements deployed and damaged equipment repaired if possible, since it is unlikely that it could be replaced. And this is only one Brigade from one country.

How many Brigades of this sort could NATO actually field? Nobody really knows, but the best estimate seems to be between six and ten, bearing in mind that, if we are at war with Russia, it might be as well to have some troops at home as well. I leave military experts to judge how much value that size of light mechanised force would have, but I honestly doubt if Moscow is too worried.

And that’s the problem. The West is so intoxicated with the perception of its own power, that it assumes everyone else is as well. After all, the US spends far more on defence than Russia, so it should be much more powerful, shouldn’t it? Well, in certain areas, like Carrier Battle Groups, it is. But the Russians don’t want to play that game : they want to play High-Intensity Land/Air War in Europe, which is a game that the West essentially gave up on a generation ago, and which it can only play for a week or two at most before it runs out of ammunition. The other delusion is that the West is untouchable. They wouldn’t dare drop a missile on NATO HQ, would they? I mean, if they did, we would … we would… well what would we do? Nuclear threats are recognised to be dangerous, pointless and irrelevant. Like King Lear in the quotation at the start of this essay, NATO will do … something, when it works out what that is. But if I were the Russians I would be sceptical: after all, remember what happened to Lear.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Russia Suspended New START Because Of Attacks On Strategic Sites​

Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said Thursday that one of the reasons Moscow suspended its participation in the New START treaty was because the US helped Ukraine attack a facility housing Russian nuclear weapons.
New START is the last nuclear arms control treaty between the US and Russia and limits the deployment of warheads and launchers, including heavy bombers assigned to nuclear missions. Ryabkov said Ukraine launched an attack on facilities declared under New START.
"The situation was further escalated by US attempts to probe the security of Russian strategic facilities declared under New START by helping the Kiev regime to carry out armed attacks on them," he told the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva.
In December, Ukrainian drones targeted the Engels airfield, a base deep inside Russian territory that houses Russian strategic bombers that are capable of carrying nuclear warheads, although it’s not clear if they were at the time.
NATO military sources told Asia Times that Ukraine employed drones in the attack on Engels and another airfield that used US satellite GPS data to hit their targets.
Ryabkov said Ukraine wouldn’t be able to target Russian infrastructure without help from the US. “We know that those attacks would never be possible in absence of a very deep and sophisticated assistance by the US to the Ukrainian military,” he said.
The Russian diplomat said that even though Russia suspended its participation in New START, it would still keep its nuclear deployments within the limits of the treaty.
“Under these circumstances, we were forced to announce the suspension of the New START Treaty. At the same time, as it has already been stated, we will continue to adhere to the quantitative restrictions enshrined in New START,” he said.
Ryabkov also warned that US support for Ukraine could lead to a direct clash between nuclear powers. He said the US and NATO’s “increasing involvement in the military confrontation is fraught with a direct military clash of nuclear powers with catastrophic consequences.”


It's just an article you'll have to decide if it is true or not. Here are a couple more article links, since I think we all know most of this already. But they are interesting too.



I think the thread titles tells you all you need to know about the article.
 

jward

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Russia's ambassador to China: Moscow and Beijing decided on military-technical cooperation in response to NATO reinforcements.



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WW3 so close, it's could be a matter of days or even hours. At least it's not going to last long. Hypersonic and all. Initial phase, 30 mins. All leveled...the rest is a matter new ancient history.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I absolutely love my country, but I fully understand the IDEALS my country was founded on, and the current ACTIONS of my country's leadership are very, very different things. I can no longer say (for many decades now) that the US leadership has its constituents best interests at heart.

You have no idea...

I received a PM today that blew my mind. Member said he would post it later so I won't go into detail.

The trap is airtight.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment

Russia Suspended New START Because Of Attacks On Strategic Sites​

Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said Thursday that one of the reasons Moscow suspended its participation in the New START treaty was because the US helped Ukraine attack a facility housing Russian nuclear weapons.
New START is the last nuclear arms control treaty between the US and Russia and limits the deployment of warheads and launchers, including heavy bombers assigned to nuclear missions. Ryabkov said Ukraine launched an attack on facilities declared under New START.
"The situation was further escalated by US attempts to probe the security of Russian strategic facilities declared under New START by helping the Kiev regime to carry out armed attacks on them," he told the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva.
In December, Ukrainian drones targeted the Engels airfield, a base deep inside Russian territory that houses Russian strategic bombers that are capable of carrying nuclear warheads, although it’s not clear if they were at the time.
NATO military sources told Asia Times that Ukraine employed drones in the attack on Engels and another airfield that used US satellite GPS data to hit their targets.
Ryabkov said Ukraine wouldn’t be able to target Russian infrastructure without help from the US. “We know that those attacks would never be possible in absence of a very deep and sophisticated assistance by the US to the Ukrainian military,” he said.
The Russian diplomat said that even though Russia suspended its participation in New START, it would still keep its nuclear deployments within the limits of the treaty.

Ryabkov also warned that US support for Ukraine could lead to a direct clash between nuclear powers. He said the US and NATO’s “increasing involvement in the military confrontation is fraught with a direct military clash of nuclear powers with catastrophic consequences.”


It's just an article you'll have to decide if it is true or not. Here are a couple more article links, since I think we all know most of this already. But they are interesting too.



I think the thread titles tells you all you need to know about the article.
I have to wonder considering US involvement in Ukraine since the "color revolution" what Putin et al expected to happen when they openly invaded? (As opposed to the encouragement of the "ethnic Russian" secession in Donbass along the same model they've been running since Putin came to power.)
 

wait-n-see

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Kiev Regime Floods Black Markets With NATO Arms
March 4, 2023
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by Draco Bosnic

It has been at least a year and a half since the political West dramatically stepped up its arms supplies to the kyiv regime. Since then, the black markets were flooded of Western-made weapons and ammunition, some of which have even started to miss in NATO stocks. Also in December, senior Western officials complained, including the Pentagon's deputy inspector general for investigations, James R. Ives, who admitted that the United States was aware of the lack of effective mechanisms to follow up. NATO weapons destined for Ukraine. Several major US media outlets have asked the Biden administration to send investigators to audit and oversee the use of more $110 billion in military and economic "aid" of the United States to the kyiv regime.

And yet, real understanding of the magnitude of this affair is sorely lacking in the political West. Maybe even ignored, but the consequences are already there. Moreover, while the mainstream propaganda machine praises the forces of the Kiev regime, portraying them as sort of mythical heroes supposed to "defend" Europe, the West and the so-called "Euro-Atlantic values the role of neo-Nazi junta troops is crucial in what can only be described as the largest arms smuggling scheme in the world. Moreover, it certainly does not exculpate the rest of the Kiev regime and the corrupt oligarchs who support it, as they too get their “piece of the pie”.

Corruption is endemic in Ukraine, but since the NATO-backed neo-Nazi coup in 2014, it worsened dramatically as the political West began showering already crooked politicians and bureaucrats with tens of billions of dollars. . Everyone, from managers of military warehouses to company and battalion commanders, senior officers, directors of the military-industrial complex of the Kiev regime and the Minister of Defense himself, is engaged in the theft of weapons from NATO and their resale on the Darknet. The list of people involved also includes the president's office, cabinet of ministers, security services and military intelligence.

Until a few years ago, Ukraine's massive stockpiles of Soviet-era weapons were the main source of smuggled weapons. However, despite inheriting around 30% of the Soviet military, Ukraine somehow managed to spend most of it, which ended up on the black markets of the whole world. The political West was well aware of this, since NATO played a major role in the sale of arms to the terrorist groups it supports in many of the targeted countries. And yet it has continued to supply tens of billions of dollars in Western arms and ammunition to the same people who have been smuggling their own for decades.

There is even fierce competition between the institutions of the kyiv regime for the right to control the hugely profitable arms smuggling trade. This includes various intelligence services, such as the SBU and the GUR. The latter is the main military intelligence agency that is supposed to play a major role in overseeing the transfer and distribution of NATO arms. The GUR therefore has a considerable lead in the arms smuggling system, which causes a lot of envy and frustration within the SBU. Since August 2020, Kirill Budanov has headed the GUR, a close ally of Kyiv regime frontman Volodymyr Zelensky, whose ties to senior junta officials have allowed him to play a crucial role in the system.

On March 5, 2022, just days after Russia launched its counteroffensive against NATO aggression in Europe, banker Denis Kireev, a member of the delegation in charge of negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv, was killed . According to the German publication BILD, Kireev “ was shot dead by Ukrainian SBU counterintelligence as he tried to avoid arrest ". Two days later, the GUR confirmed that Kireev was its employee, and Budanov himself said that Kireev was executed by the SBU, thus confirming that the fierce competition between the two agencies intensified from the start of the l special military operation (SMO). It should be noted that the fact that the SBU and the GUR are "supervised" by different NATO intelligence services also played a major role in the conflict between the agencies.

For example, the SBU is largely controlled by British intelligence, primarily the infamous MI6. On the other hand, the GUR is deeply connected to the American services. The looming rivalry erupted after the political West stepped up its arms shipments. Budanov's lead allowed the GUR to oversee the biggest Western arms transfer deals, further strengthening his position, which the SBU did not appreciate. Budanov also worked with intermediaries, such as the Incompass company, headed by oligarch Sergei Slyusarenko. It is through such companies that the GUR manages the supply of arms from abroad.

Part of the funds diverted through Incompass ends up in the pockets of Budanov and his associates, with the rest going to the presidential office, or even to Zelensky himself. In July 2022, the German television channel SWR reported that Europol had identified “signs” of organized arms smuggling into Ukraine, but gave no further details so as not to incriminate the Kiev regime. This revelation follows a plane crash in Greece, when a Ukrainian An-12BK aircraft belonging to Meridian, a company registered in Kiev, crashed on July 16, 2022. According to various reports, the airline was working in close cooperation with the Kiev regime, including the President's office and the GUR.

A few days before the crash, the plane had made several flights to Ostrava (Czech Republic), Burgas (Bulgaria) and Rzeszow (Poland). The latter is NATO's main transport hub for supplying arms and other military equipment to the kyiv regime. Each flight included "Stinger" MANPADS, "Javelin" and NLAW ATGMs. In total, about 12 tons of missile systems and ammunition.

EU politicians, including German officials, have also commented on the scandal, with Konstantin von Notz, 'Greens' spokesman for the Bundestag's Home Affairs Committee, acknowledging: The experience of the Kosovo war has taught us that weapons from conflict zones often fall into the hands of extremists and organized crime ". Von Notz asked that the risk of arms smuggling from Ukraine " be stopped at the international level ».

In addition, grain deal was also widely (misused) used for this purpose, leading to Russia's decision to suspend it. The issue was discussed at a meeting of EU interior ministers on July 11, 2022, with Czech Defense Minister Yana Chernokhova admitting that “ it will be difficult to avoid the smuggling of weapons – we have not succeeded in this in the former Yugoslavia and we certainly will not be able to achieve this in Ukraine ».

The question still arises whether Washington DC is even trying to monitor its massive arms shipments to the neo-Nazi junta. Many US officials say they are not unable to control arms once they have left Poland, but the real question is whether they even want to know. Given the near-mythical status they conferred on Zelensky, revealing his involvement in such criminal activities could be rather "uncomfortable" and could even backfire, further exacerbating the growing factionalism within the neo-Nazi junta.
 

Housecarl

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Kiev Regime Floods Black Markets With NATO Arms
March 4, 2023
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by Draco Bosnic

It has been at least a year and a half since the political West dramatically stepped up its arms supplies to the kyiv regime. Since then, the black markets were flooded of Western-made weapons and ammunition, some of which have even started to miss in NATO stocks. Also in December, senior Western officials complained, including the Pentagon's deputy inspector general for investigations, James R. Ives, who admitted that the United States was aware of the lack of effective mechanisms to follow up. NATO weapons destined for Ukraine. Several major US media outlets have asked the Biden administration to send investigators to audit and oversee the use of more $110 billion in military and economic "aid" of the United States to the kyiv regime.

And yet, real understanding of the magnitude of this affair is sorely lacking in the political West. Maybe even ignored, but the consequences are already there. Moreover, while the mainstream propaganda machine praises the forces of the Kiev regime, portraying them as sort of mythical heroes supposed to "defend" Europe, the West and the so-called "Euro-Atlantic values the role of neo-Nazi junta troops is crucial in what can only be described as the largest arms smuggling scheme in the world. Moreover, it certainly does not exculpate the rest of the Kiev regime and the corrupt oligarchs who support it, as they too get their “piece of the pie”.

Corruption is endemic in Ukraine, but since the NATO-backed neo-Nazi coup in 2014, it worsened dramatically as the political West began showering already crooked politicians and bureaucrats with tens of billions of dollars. . Everyone, from managers of military warehouses to company and battalion commanders, senior officers, directors of the military-industrial complex of the Kiev regime and the Minister of Defense himself, is engaged in the theft of weapons from NATO and their resale on the Darknet. The list of people involved also includes the president's office, cabinet of ministers, security services and military intelligence.

Until a few years ago, Ukraine's massive stockpiles of Soviet-era weapons were the main source of smuggled weapons. However, despite inheriting around 30% of the Soviet military, Ukraine somehow managed to spend most of it, which ended up on the black markets of the whole world. The political West was well aware of this, since NATO played a major role in the sale of arms to the terrorist groups it supports in many of the targeted countries. And yet it has continued to supply tens of billions of dollars in Western arms and ammunition to the same people who have been smuggling their own for decades.

There is even fierce competition between the institutions of the kyiv regime for the right to control the hugely profitable arms smuggling trade. This includes various intelligence services, such as the SBU and the GUR. The latter is the main military intelligence agency that is supposed to play a major role in overseeing the transfer and distribution of NATO arms. The GUR therefore has a considerable lead in the arms smuggling system, which causes a lot of envy and frustration within the SBU. Since August 2020, Kirill Budanov has headed the GUR, a close ally of Kyiv regime frontman Volodymyr Zelensky, whose ties to senior junta officials have allowed him to play a crucial role in the system.

On March 5, 2022, just days after Russia launched its counteroffensive against NATO aggression in Europe, banker Denis Kireev, a member of the delegation in charge of negotiations between Moscow and Kyiv, was killed . According to the German publication BILD, Kireev “ was shot dead by Ukrainian SBU counterintelligence as he tried to avoid arrest ". Two days later, the GUR confirmed that Kireev was its employee, and Budanov himself said that Kireev was executed by the SBU, thus confirming that the fierce competition between the two agencies intensified from the start of the l special military operation (SMO). It should be noted that the fact that the SBU and the GUR are "supervised" by different NATO intelligence services also played a major role in the conflict between the agencies.

For example, the SBU is largely controlled by British intelligence, primarily the infamous MI6. On the other hand, the GUR is deeply connected to the American services. The looming rivalry erupted after the political West stepped up its arms shipments. Budanov's lead allowed the GUR to oversee the biggest Western arms transfer deals, further strengthening his position, which the SBU did not appreciate. Budanov also worked with intermediaries, such as the Incompass company, headed by oligarch Sergei Slyusarenko. It is through such companies that the GUR manages the supply of arms from abroad.

Part of the funds diverted through Incompass ends up in the pockets of Budanov and his associates, with the rest going to the presidential office, or even to Zelensky himself. In July 2022, the German television channel SWR reported that Europol had identified “signs” of organized arms smuggling into Ukraine, but gave no further details so as not to incriminate the Kiev regime. This revelation follows a plane crash in Greece, when a Ukrainian An-12BK aircraft belonging to Meridian, a company registered in Kiev, crashed on July 16, 2022. According to various reports, the airline was working in close cooperation with the Kiev regime, including the President's office and the GUR.

A few days before the crash, the plane had made several flights to Ostrava (Czech Republic), Burgas (Bulgaria) and Rzeszow (Poland). The latter is NATO's main transport hub for supplying arms and other military equipment to the kyiv regime. Each flight included "Stinger" MANPADS, "Javelin" and NLAW ATGMs. In total, about 12 tons of missile systems and ammunition.

EU politicians, including German officials, have also commented on the scandal, with Konstantin von Notz, 'Greens' spokesman for the Bundestag's Home Affairs Committee, acknowledging: The experience of the Kosovo war has taught us that weapons from conflict zones often fall into the hands of extremists and organized crime ". Von Notz asked that the risk of arms smuggling from Ukraine " be stopped at the international level ».

In addition, grain deal was also widely (misused) used for this purpose, leading to Russia's decision to suspend it. The issue was discussed at a meeting of EU interior ministers on July 11, 2022, with Czech Defense Minister Yana Chernokhova admitting that “ it will be difficult to avoid the smuggling of weapons – we have not succeeded in this in the former Yugoslavia and we certainly will not be able to achieve this in Ukraine ».

The question still arises whether Washington DC is even trying to monitor its massive arms shipments to the neo-Nazi junta. Many US officials say they are not unable to control arms once they have left Poland, but the real question is whether they even want to know. Given the near-mythical status they conferred on Zelensky, revealing his involvement in such criminal activities could be rather "uncomfortable" and could even backfire, further exacerbating the growing factionalism within the neo-Nazi junta.

Just goes to show how bad the current bunch of aparatcheks and political hacks are at "empire" whether "soft" or "hard". Any other power would be actively "removing" such thieves if for no other reason than the impact upon the imperial fiscal bottom line....
 

LightEcho

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Do you really believe those lies? Seriously.... such propaganda is blatantly wrong. And posting some of the happy Ukraine reports is completely misleading. If that is the stuff being fed to people in Ukraine, it is just to keep them from hanging Zelensky and his handlers from a balcony or lamp post like Mussolini. The propaganda and actions of Zelensky in collaboration with NATO are responsible for somewhere near 200,000 Ukraine people dead.

And with the insults, lies, threats and actions of the NATO team, Russia now has no choice but to fight until Ukraine surrenders ALL unconditionally. As the goon squads grab children off the streets to go and fight for patriot comrade Zelensky, what will it take for people to realize the propaganda was like the "safe & effective" slogan used to push the vaxx?

As a comparison, the current losses for Ukraine over the last 200 days are about 3 times what the US lost in VietNam over 6 years. And we thought that was horrible. I have known many people who were severely damaged or lost someone in VN.

But glory to Ukraine and all that bullshat. I am greatly saddened at the loss of these lives. I am even more grieved by what is coming yet. If people cannot see what is now surely determined by the last few months, all I can say is brace yourself for a large shock.
 
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NEW: Two Ukrainian pilots are currently in the United States undergoing an assessment to determine how long it could take to train them to fly attack aircraft, including F-16 fighter jets, according to two congressional officials and a senior U.S. official. - NBC
 

blueinterceptor

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What did Obama say about JB. Something to the affect. Never underestimate his ability to fu&@ things up?

Never forget that JB has never been right about a single foreign policy position he’s ever taken.
 

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US sending bridge-launchers to Ukraine for spring fight​

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TARA COPP
Fri, March 3, 2023 at 10:41 AM PST

WASHINGTON (AP) —

The U.S. announced a new $400 million military aid package for Ukraine on Friday that for the first time includes armored vehicles that can launch bridges — allowing troops to cross rivers or other gaps as Russian and Ukrainian forces remain entrenched on opposite sides of the Dnieper River.

The war had largely slowed to a grinding stalemate during the winter months, with Russia and Ukraine firing at each other from across the river. Both sides are expected to launch offensives as temperatures warm.

This round of aid will be drawn from existing U.S. weapons stockpiles so it can arrive in Ukraine faster. The U.S. and allies are trying to rush additional support to Kyiv to best position it for intensified spring fighting.

The Armored Vehicle Launched Bridge is a portable, 60-foot (18-meter) folding metal bridge that is carried on top of a tank body. Providing that system now could make it easier for Ukrainian troops to cross rivers to get to Russian forces.

Because Ukraine also continues to face shortages of ammunition in the intense firefight, this aid package, like previous ones, includes thousands of replacement rounds, such as rockets for the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and 155mm Howitzer rounds. This package also includes demolition munitions and equipment for clearing obstacles to help Ukraine break through dug-in lines.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine a year ago, the U.S. has sent in more than $32 billion in weapons and equipment.

The U.S. is also roughly tripling the number of Ukrainian forces it is training on advanced battle tactics at a base in Germany, to help them punch through entrenched Russian lines. At the Grafenwoehr training area, Ukrainian forces run through a five-week course that prepares them to conduct advanced combined arms maneuvers with Bradley fighting vehicles, M109 Paladins and Stryker armored personnel carriers. The first 600 Ukrainian troops completed the course last month and 1,600 more are in training.

The aid will also include spare parts and equipment for vehicle maintenance and repair.

The announcement comes on the heels of a brief meeting Thursday between U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov at a gathering of top diplomats from the Group of 20 nations in New Delhi. It was the highest-level in-person talk between the two countries since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. But there was no indication of any movement toward easing the intense tensions between the two nations.

Blinken said he told Lavrov the U.S. would continue to support Ukraine for as long as it takes.

Lavrov, who did not mention speaking with Blinken when he held a news conference after the meeting, told reporters Moscow would continue to press its action in Ukraine.
 

jed turtle

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Another Point of View Worthy of Consideration. Part One

You And Whose Army?​

NATO would do well to stay out of Ukraine.​


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I will do such things –
What they are yet I know not, but they shall be
The terrors of the Earth! -
Shakespeare, King Lear.

Ignorant politicians and muddled pundits have been making noises recently, threatening, or even fantasising about, some kind of formal NATO intervention in Ukraine. In general, they have no idea what they are talking about, and what the practical implications of intervention would be. Here are a few examples of why it’s a stupid idea.
Back in January 1990, I was in NATO HQ in Brussels for a routine meeting of some kind. It was one of those cold, wet days that Belgium specialises in, but there was more than that behind the chilly, mausoleum-like atmosphere of the deserted corridors. For the last few months, the ground had been moving under NATO’s feet continuously, and, not long before Christmas, Rumania, the last hold-out of the Warsaw Pact, had gone up in flames. Nobody had the remotest idea what was going to happen next week, let alone next month, and NATO was beginning to resemble a demonstrator with a placard for a cause that was already out of date. National capitals were struggling to simply keep up with what was going on. I had asked a colleague just back from Washington what the hawks in the Bush Administration were saying. “They’re in a state of shock” was the reply.
The fact that NATO still exists nearly thirty-five years later, and that it now has twice as many members as it did then, has encouraged some people who haven’t been paying attention to believe that NATO is still the same powerful military organisation it was in 1989, and therefore it’s only necessary to threaten formal involvement in Ukraine, and the Russians will creep away. They could not be more dangerously wrong.
The fact that NATO survived at all after 1989 was a surprise to some. But as I’ve pointed out, the Alliance did actually serve a number of useful purposes for European states, and in any case, the world was changing so rapidly that it was not only impossible to agree on what to replace it with, but it was impossible to know what kind of tasks any future organisation would have to carry out anyway. Organisations don’t just suddenly close down, and in any case NATO actually had quite a lot still to do. That day in January 1990, NATO was still deeply involved in the Arms Control negotiations in Vienna that finally gave the Cold War a decent burial, and continued to have great deal to do, as the negotiating partners across the table started to have what might be described as coordination problems, and as one of them came round to our side of the table. When that saga and its attendant complications were finally sorted out, NATO found itself in Bosnia, then taking in new members in a way that hadn’t been anticipated, then in Kosovo, then in Afghanistan. All of this was essentially improvised: there was no master-plan, other than a pervasive consensus that NATO was more useful than not, and that it was necessary to find things for it to do to keep it going.
But an awful lot was changing behind the scenes. The military structure of NATO, set up in a panic after the Korean War and always ready to mobilise at short notice, was clearly serving no useful purpose now. Slowly at first, and then with increasing speed, the national contingents that had made up its standing forces started to melt away. One after another, European nations abandoned national service, radically reduced the size of their military forces, and stood down their mobilisation procedures. The US forces progressively went home. The generation of military equipment that was coming into service at the time was eventually deployed, in small numbers, and for the most part is still in service now. The tanks and aircraft that NATO intends to send to Ukraine (the Challenger II, the Leopard II, the F-16) are essentially 1970s designs, albeit much updated.
The recognition that NATO’s capability for serious warfare is a shadow of what it once was is slowly starting to percolate through the strategic community, which hasn’t been paying attention for the last generation or so, because its eyes have been fixed on Afghanistan and Iraq. But in fact the situation is a lot worse than that, and as often the real problems are hidden away in the technical complexities. I’ll cover some of those very briefly, to explain why NATO intervention in Ukraine is not really possible, if it were possible not desirable, and even if it were desirable totally ineffective, and even dangerous. Since I don’t have a military background, I’ll leave that part to the experts, and concentrate on the wider issues.
As the British have been making some of the most belligerent noises recently, let’s look at what has changed there since the Cold War. In 1989, the British Army of the Rhine could field a complete Corps of four Divisions, some 55,000 soldiers, ready to be reinforced in war by almost as many reservists and regular units moving from the UK. (The heavy equipment was essentially in place.) There was also a powerful air component. During what was called the Transition to War phase, mobilisation would have taken place under emergency wartime powers, taking people away from their jobs, and commandeering transport and logistic resources to move tens of thousands of combatants to Europe, while families were evacuated in the other direction. Normal government would be replaced, and Parliament would effectively dissolve itself. Tens of thousands of other troops would be mobilised for Home Defence. Civil Defence measures would be introduced to cope with anticipated bombing raids and sabotage operations. Government itself would be dispersed, and Ministers would function as Regional Commissioners.
Similar arrangements were taking place on the Continent, of course. Millions of reservists would have been recalled, sent to their units, and in some cases moved hundreds of kilometres into their wartime locations. Ordinary life would effectively have come to a halt, because mobilisation would have required all of the resources of the nations involved. That’s what modern “war” actually means: why should the Russians agree now to some arrangement that causes us less trouble? Why should they agree to some kind of “war minus,” limited only to Ukraine?
So you have to wonder whether any of the nonentities who talk about being “at war” with Russia have any idea what that means, and understand how these days even the most basic mechanisms don’t exist to make it possible. For a start, war is not just something we do to others. This is not waving goodbye to the boys as they set sail to do battle in foreign climes, this is picking a fight deliberately with someone who can hurt us a lot more than we can hurt them. There are a host of practical implications here: let’s just pick out a few of the more important ones.
Nobody “declares war” these days. Since the Nuremberg Trials and the United Nations Charter, wherein nations undertake to abstain from the use of force, it is no longer possible to proactively begin a state of war with another nation. To say, as some have “we are at war with Russia” is therefore meaningless except as a political slogan. It has no legal force. The only body capable of, in effect, “declaring war” is the Security Council, and that will clearly not happen in this case. Since the Russians have been careful not to attack NATO territory or deliberately engage NATO forces, no “state of war” can be said to exist with NATO nations. What does exist, is a state of “armed conflict”, which has its own definition: essentially protracted armed violence between states or between states and other armed groups. But “armed conflict” is precisely a state of affairs, not a process or a declaration, and it exists or it doesn’t as a matter of fact and law. Thus, whilst it’s obvious that there is an armed conflict in Ukraine, it’s equally obvious that western states are not parties to it. So it’s hard to see how the fantasies of the bellicose politicians could actually be fulfilled.
The only potential way in which this could be done would be if Ukraine made a formal request for military assistance from western states. This is how the Russians have justified their own operations in Ukraine, by arguing that they are assisting the breakaway republics to exercise their right of self-defence, which is preserved (though of course it was not established) by Article 51 of the UN Charter. But it’s not obvious what this would mean in practice, and how far western forces could actually go. Direct attacks on Russian territory, for example, would probably be ruled out if this argument were used.
But let us say that somehow these problems could be overcome, and it was joyfully announced that NATO nations were going to enter the conflict as full belligerents. This would make the Russians tremble, wouldn’t it? Actually not. You see, if we are in a state of war with another country, and free to attack them, then they are also free to attack us. There’s no way in which such a conflict could be confined to Ukraine, and no reason why the Russians would want to. So the first consequence is that NATO nations, NATO forces and NATO targets would be exposed to immediate Russian attack, at a point where sub-committees were still labouring away in Brussels trying to generate forces. So what would the Russians reasonably do?
Well, in a state of war, any “military objective” can be attacked. In practice today, this means military units, military headquarters, the political decision-making chain for the war, and the infrastructure of transport, power, industry etc. which is needed to support it. Now we do not know, and the Russians are obviously not going to tell us, what their long-range strike capabilities with conventional weapons actually are. We do not know, for example, precisely what capabilities they have to bombard the United States with conventional munitions from ships and submarines, and if they intend to use them, but it would be unwise to rule the possibility out. But we have to assume, if only for planning purposes, that they have ways of striking important targets in most or all western countries, with missiles launched from aircraft, ships or submarines. If we very conservatively limit Russian capabilities to attacks on twenty-five major targets, what might they do, bearing in mind that NATO has no effective defence against such attacks? Some targets are obvious: the Pentagon and the White House, for example, or the headquarters of the CIA and the NSA. NATO HQ in Brussels would not last long, not would its military HQ in Mons. The Defence Ministries, Military HQs and Chancelleries of the major European powers can assumed to be likely targets as well.
But of course the Russians are not obliged to hand over a target list, and so in practice, western states would have to consider hundreds of sites as potential targets, depending on what stocks of missiles the Russians had and how they decided to use them. Obviously, all military airfields would be potential targets. But whereas you concentrate ground forces in a time of tension, you disperse air forces. During the Cold War, many countries kept reserve airfields on standby: I’d be astonished if there are many such now. In practice, aircraft would have to be dispersed to civilian airports, which would then become military targets and would have to be closed to civil flights. All military bases, military garrisons, HQs, ammunition storage facilities, repair depots, naval bases, civilian ports to which naval vessels might be dispersed, intelligence gathering facilities and major transport hubs, among other things, would have to be considered potential targets.
All this matters, for two reasons. Firstly, no government today has made serious provision for continuing to run the country during a conventional war, with the risk of air and missile attack. In the earlier days of the Cold War, there were plans for governments to go underground during the conventional phase of any war in special shelters, a number of which still exist. But towards the end, nuclear weapons had become so accurate and powerful that it was thought very unlikely that any of these facilities would survive a subsequent nuclear attack, and so they tended to fall into disuse. So effectively, not only are NATO nations unable to defend against such a conventional missile attack, they have no means of protecting what is called the “continuity of government” from such attacks either. So a missile on the Elyséé Palace, one on the Defence Ministry and one on the Land Forces HQ at Lille, and that would be about it for France, for example.
Secondly, whilst the new generation of Russian missiles are allegedly pretty accurate, we must remember that accuracy is relative, and cannot be guaranteed. Accuracy is normally expressed according to a measure known as the Circular Error Probable, or CEP. This is the radius from the target within which fifty per cent of the missiles are expected to fall. No guarantees are given about where the other fifty per cent will land. So if a missile has a CEP of 200 metres, then fifty per cent of the time it is expected to land within a circle 400 metres across, whose epicentre is the intended target. Given this, given the blast radius of the explosions and the tendency of some missiles to get lost, it’s safe to say that anyone or any building within a kilometre of a potential high value target is potentially at risk. All over the western world, hundreds of thousands of people often live near airports, seaports, and headquarters. (The UK’s Permanent Joint HQ is in a quiet outer suburb of London.)
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Housecarl

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Russian oligarch warns his country could be broke by 2024​

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Brian Niemietz, New York Daily News
Fri, March 3, 2023 at 2:36 PM PST

Brother, can you spare a ruble?

Oligarch Oleg Deripaska told attendees at an economic summit in Siberia that Russia could be out of money by 2024.

“There will already be no money next year,” he said, according to the Moscow Times. “We will need foreign investors.”

The 55-year-old billionaire industrialist has close ties to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022 for a war that’s become unexpectedly complex. Deripaska has been critical of that invasion, which caused multiple countries, including the U.S., to sanction Russia.

He said in Siberia that Russia can’t expect to be made a part of the international community once more if the government continues “barbaric, Stone Age practices of imprisoning every other person for nothing.”

Among the activities getting people arrested in Russia are protests over the war. The United Nations expressed concern in 2022 over “credible reports” of thousands of demonstrators being incarcerated.

Deripaska’s investments include an aluminum company that was once the world’s largest. His wealth took a “major hit from Western sanctions,” according to the Moscow Times. Forbes puts his worth slightly under $3 billion. Deripaska was reportedly, at one point, the richest man in Russian and one of the 10 wealthiest people in the world.

He complained of “state capitalism” and called for “more freedom” during his address in Siberia.

It’s rare for Deripaska to criticize Putin, though he called the destruction of Ukraine “a mistake.”

Numerous U.S. companies stopped doing business with Russia including McDonald’s, which shutdown its 850 stores there after war erupted in Ukraine. New York State said in February 2022 it would no longer do business with companies headquartered in or run from Russia.

The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said in December the Russian economy was holding-up better than expected, but faces “a decade of regress” starting with development going into reverse over the next three to five years.

That report said that “amid the atmosphere of uncertainty, investment is at risk of being slashed” and that private investors were already shying away from Russia’s “unfavorable business climate.”
 

jed turtle

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Russian oligarch warns his country could be broke by 2024​

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Brian Niemietz, New York Daily News
Fri, March 3, 2023 at 2:36 PM PST

Brother, can you spare a ruble?

Oligarch Oleg Deripaska told attendees at an economic summit in Siberia that Russia could be out of money by 2024.

“There will already be no money next year,” he said, according to the Moscow Times. “We will need foreign investors.”

The 55-year-old billionaire industrialist has close ties to Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who ordered troops into Ukraine in 2022 for a war that’s become unexpectedly complex. Deripaska has been critical of that invasion, which caused multiple countries, including the U.S., to sanction Russia.

He said in Siberia that Russia can’t expect to be made a part of the international community once more if the government continues “barbaric, Stone Age practices of imprisoning every other person for nothing.”

Among the activities getting people arrested in Russia are protests over the war. The United Nations expressed concern in 2022 over “credible reports” of thousands of demonstrators being incarcerated.

Deripaska’s investments include an aluminum company that was once the world’s largest. His wealth took a “major hit from Western sanctions,” according to the Moscow Times. Forbes puts his worth slightly under $3 billion. Deripaska was reportedly, at one point, the richest man in Russian and one of the 10 wealthiest people in the world.

He complained of “state capitalism” and called for “more freedom” during his address in Siberia.

It’s rare for Deripaska to criticize Putin, though he called the destruction of Ukraine “a mistake.”

Numerous U.S. companies stopped doing business with Russia including McDonald’s, which shutdown its 850 stores there after war erupted in Ukraine. New York State said in February 2022 it would no longer do business with companies headquartered in or run from Russia.

The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace said in December the Russian economy was holding-up better than expected, but faces “a decade of regress” starting with development going into reverse over the next three to five years.

That report said that “amid the atmosphere of uncertainty, investment is at risk of being slashed” and that private investors were already shying away from Russia’s “unfavorable business climate.”
Russia is just not trying hard enough. Heck, the US is so broke we’re borrowing money just to pay interest on the loans we took out decades ago. Foreign powers have invested so much into the US, that the only way to collect is to destroy us in such a way that all the people are gone, just leaving the land and buildings...
 

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HOW WILL THE WAR END? THOUGHTS ON UKRAINE, RUSSIA, AND A THEORY OF VICTORY​

Kevin Benson | 03.03.23

For all intents and purposes the Budapest Memorandum—under which the United States, Russia, and the UK gave assurances on the territorial integrity of Ukraine, Kazakhstan, and Belarus—is now worthless. The purpose of the memorandum was violated by the Russia in 2014 with its seizure of Crimea. At best, the existence of the memorandum can provide some diplomatic and perhaps legal basis for the support the West is currently giving Ukraine. That support, from both the United States and its allies, came quickly after Russia’s invasion last February and has rapidly grown since. But to what end? In other words, what does victory, specifically from the standpoint of US interests, look like in Ukraine?

The answer to this question, of course, is a function of US interests and strategic objectives. One of the first statements of US policy regarding Ukraine after Russia’s invasion was in a New York Times op-ed by President Joe Biden, published on May 31 of last year. It laid out the following US objectives:

  • A democratic, independent, sovereign, and prosperous Ukraine with the means to deter and defend itself against further aggression;
  • Ukraine with a significant amount of weaponry and ammunition so it can fight on the battlefield and be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table;
  • Russia paying a heavy price for its actions, thus sending a message to other would-be aggressors that they cannot seize territory and subjugate other countries; and
  • Sustainment of other peaceful democracies and the rules-based international order.
These are objectives issued specifically in the context of Russia’s February 2022 invasion and the ongoing war that it triggered. We can gain further fidelity on US interests by taking a broader view, for which US strategic documents—the National Security Strategy in particular—offer a starting point for review. The 2022 National Security Strategy is explicit in delineating the elements of US strategy vis-à-vis Ukraine, Russian aggression, and the stability of Europe and the world in general:

While some aspects of our approach will depend on the trajectory of the war in Ukraine, a number of elements are already clear. First, the United States will continue to support Ukraine in its fight for its freedom, we will help Ukraine recover economically, and we will encourage its regional integration with the European Union. Second, the United States will defend every inch of NATO territory and will continue to build and deepen a coalition with allies and partners to prevent Russia from causing further harm to European security, democracy, and institutions. Third, the United States will deter and, as necessary, respond to Russian actions that threaten core U.S. interests, including Russian attacks on our infrastructure and our democracy. Fourth, Russia’s conventional military will have been weakened, which will likely increase Moscow’s reliance on nuclear weapons in its military planning. The United States will not allow Russia, or any power, to achieve its objectives through using, or threatening to use, nuclear weapons. America retains an interest in preserving strategic stability and developing a more expansive, transparent, and verifiable arms control infrastructure to succeed New START and in rebuilding European security arrangements which, due to Russia’s actions, have fallen in to disrepair. Finally, the United States will sustain and develop pragmatic modes of interaction to handle issues on which dealing with Russia can be mutually beneficial. [Emphasis added]

From President Biden’s May 2022 op-ed and the National Security Strategy published in October, then, we have a reasonably clear picture of US objectives and strategic interests. US policy is readily apparent: supplying the Ukrainians with arms. The key question is what connects this policy to the strategic objectives.

Reflecting on that question, I am reminded of words I heard spoken by the late Rick Sinnreich during a wargame some years ago. What is the aim of our policy, he asked, and how do we conclude this effort on terms favorable to the United States? War, as we all know, is an extension of policy through other means. With respect to Ukraine today, it is crucial that US strategists and policymakers are considering the questions Rick posed. Success for any US strategy with regards to Ukraine, Russia, and how this war ends requires one fundamental but often elusive element: a theory of victory.

Eliot Cohen has described a model for twenty-first-century strategy in which a “theory of victory” was a vital component. Cohen proposed a consideration of assumptions, ends, ways, means, priorities, sequencing, and a theory of victory. I wrote about this model and suggested substituting risks for priorities. I wrote to Cohen in January 2012 asking what he meant by theory of victory. He replied, “My definition of a theory of victory is really simple—’why do we think this will work?’ I wouldn’t make it any more complicated than that, since nothing ever really takes into account everything the other side is likely to do.”

On this basis, we can establish a theory of victory for the war in Ukraine—essentially, “If the United States commits force in accordance with the strategy developed then we will be victorious because . . . .” The use of force is the actual commitment of US forces or providing US weapons, logistics, and intelligence support. The statement demands constant strategic-level work and interaction with policy and decision makers. I mean this theory of victory to apply to attaining US policy objectives, guided by Rick Sinnreich’s words about ending the war in Ukraine on terms favorable to the United States. Cohen allows us to infer that victory does not simply happen, but is the result of hard work linking tactical success and operational effect to attaining strategic and policy objectives. Attaining policy objectives is victory in this century.

In proposing a theory of victory I am assuming both that there is a grand strategy in place for our support to Ukraine and that the joint staff is continuously assessing (a) how well the support that we (the United States, NATO, and other partners) are providing the Ukrainian armed forces is being used and (b) the effectiveness of those systems. If there is not a strategy in place we have a much bigger challenge. Reading the objectives coldly and pragmatically sets the basis for our theory of victory. Recall the five policy objectives from the National Security Strategy:

  • Objective 1: Support Ukraine in its fight, help it recover economically, and encourage its regional integration with the European Union.
  • Objective 2: Defend NATO territory and build and deepen a coalition to prevent Russia from causing further harm to European security, democracy, and institutions.
  • Objective 3: Deter and respond to Russian actions that threaten core US interests.
  • Objective 4: Prevent Russia, or any power, to achieve its objectives through using, or threatening to use, nuclear weapons, develop a suitable arms control infrastructure to succeed New START, and rebuild European security arrangements.
  • Objective 5: Sustain and develop pragmatic modes of interaction to handle issues on which dealing with Russia can be mutually beneficial.
The use of military force by providing the Ukrainians the means to fight as well as reinforcing deployments of US forces to NATO countries establishes the military conditions that underpin policy success. The United States is supporting Ukraine, objective 1. It is defending NATO soil with our presence in Europe and by the Ukrainians fighting Russians on their soil, objective 2. The Departments of State, Defense, and Homeland Security are actively (I am assuming) deterring and frustrating Russian cyberattacks on US infrastructure, objective 3. Given our equipment is assisting the Ukrainians in weakening the conventional Russian armed forces, this offers the Departments of State and Defense ways to engage the Russians in revitalizing START, which in turn plays a part in reestablishing stability and security for all warring parties, key steps toward attaining objectives 4 and 5. While Russian President Vladimir Putin did recently announce Russia’s withdrawal from New START talks, it appears the Russians are not embarking on a massive nuclear arms buildup.

Thus, I offer what we—the West and, most importantly, the United States—are doing will work for several reasons. First, through our unified support to Ukraine the United States is reinforcing US security and the stability of the international system of rules. Overt invasions of sovereign countries will not be tolerated and will be opposed through diplomatic, economic, informational, and military means. Second, there is and will continue to be a more unified and larger NATO. Third, Russia will be weakened militarily. Moreover, demonstrated Russian ineptitude and technical weaknesses in Russian arms will cut into Russia’s ability to export arms. This will also open markets for US export of natural gas to Europe, weakening European reliance on Russian fuels. Finally, Ukrainian resistance and perhaps a Ukrainian victory will enable skilled US and other Western diplomats opportunities to engage a chastened Russia in multiple areas of mutual concern, but on US terms.

The foreseeable options for how this war could end were laid out in a provocative, and thought-provoking, article in the New York Post, written by Douglas Murray. The conclusion of the Russia-Ukraine war on terms favorable to US security and foreign policy must balance, as Murray put it, avoiding provoking Putin to seek a quick victory by “doing something so appalling . . . that the war is terrorized to a stop.” Avoiding this unacceptable option by Putin requires assured, sustained support of the Ukrainian armed forces at a pace that ensures Ukrainian victory. The pace of delivery of support also provides Ukrainian and Western diplomats the best options for diplomatic resolution.

This leads us to an essential component of a theory of victory: the ability on the part of strategists and senior leaders to render politically aware military advice. I do not mean advice adhering to one political party or another. Politically aware military advice is based on listening to policymakers and politicians, and understanding the constraints of national politics and policy. This means engaging in the serious talks about the use of force as an extension of policy, albeit in what Cohen eloquently described as the “unequal dialogue,” but in the strongest possible position. The military does not direct policy, but advises on what force can and most importantly cannot do.

The best outcome for US security and foreign policy is a steady and assured victory for Ukraine in which military conditions are set to give diplomatic options for negotiation. A theory of victory would both reflect this as the optimal outcome and, by linking the use of force to US strategic objectives, enable it to come to fruition.


Col. (ret) Kevin Benson, PhD, commanded from company to battalion level and served as a general staff officer from corps to field army. He was the CFLCC J5 (Plans) at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom and the director of the School of Advanced Military Studies.

The views expressed are those of the author and do not reflect the official position of the United States Military Academy, Department of the Army, or Department of Defense.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Russia is just not trying hard enough. Heck, the US is so broke we’re borrowing money just to pay interest on the loans we took out decades ago. Foreign powers have invested so much into the US, that the only way to collect is to destroy us in such a way that all the people are gone, just leaving the land and buildings...
GDP for comparison

US: $23.32 trillion USD (2021)
Russia: $1.779 trillion USD (2021)
Spain: $1.897 trillion USD (2022)
Mexico: $2.487 trillion USD (2022)
NY State: $2.0 trillion USD (2022-Q2)
California: $3.4 trillion USD (2022)
Florida: $1.4 trillion USD (2022)
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just goes to show how bad the current bunch of aparatcheks and political hacks are at "empire" whether "soft" or "hard". Any other power would be actively "removing" such thieves if for no other reason than the impact upon the imperial fiscal bottom line....

Modern weapons are being dispersed around the globe like candy for the bad guys while our federal government does everything it can to keep our southern border wide open. How long before terrorists or worse are using our own weapons against us?
 

mistaken1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
GDP for comparison

US: $23.32 trillion USD (2021)
Russia: $1.779 trillion USD (2021)
Spain: $1.897 trillion USD (2022)
Mexico: $2.487 trillion USD (2022)
NY State: $2.0 trillion USD (2022-Q2)
California: $3.4 trillion USD (2022)
Florida: $1.4 trillion USD (2022)

Since the russians are the terror of all europe with a GDP half that of california just think of what gavin newsome would become if he chose build an army! The entire western half of the united states would not be safe.
 
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