ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

Housecarl

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Russia appreciates the western contribution in the modification of current Russia weapons, based on the research they are doing on "obtained" technology from the current SMO.

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Puffff.... CCP's Norinco has been making "clones" of the M-16 series since the early 1980s as an export item (both for sales and "military aid" to both friendly governments and insurgent groups), to include semi-auto civilian models as well as full auto "government" models. Never mind that the Stoner design is from 1956, with Colt taking it over in 1959.....
 

Housecarl

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Hummm.....

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From: Inside Story

Can China’s peace plan for Ukraine work?​

Beijing sets out proposal for a way to end the war.

China is calling for an end to Western sanctions on Russia over its war in Ukraine, and urging Moscow and Kyiv to hold peace talks.

Beijing also suggests creating humanitarian corridors for civilians. The plan also warns against the use of nuclear weapons.

So could Kyiv and Moscow compromise?

Presenter: Tom McRae
Guests
Henry Huiyao Wang – Founder and president of the Center for China and Globalization
Tatiana Kukhareva – Russian journalist and former deputy head of Sputnik News
Hanna Shelest – Director of Security Programmes at Ukranian Prism, a Foreign Policy Council think tank

25 Feb 2023
 

wait-n-see

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Puffff.... CCP's Norinco has been making "clones" of the M-16 series since the early 1980s as an export item (both for sales and "military aid" to both friendly governments and insurgent groups), to include semi-auto civilian models as well as full auto "government" models. Never mind that the Stoner design is from 1956, with Colt taking it over in 1959.....

They are just using the picture of the M16 as an article posting sample picture.

The weapons they have been getting are far more than just the M16, including our HIMARS. They have already upgraded their AD s/w last fall to reduce the effectives of these systems to a great deal.
 

Housecarl

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Posted for fair use.....(For images see article source. HC)

China to Welcome Belarusian Leader, Raising Concerns Over Ukraine​

A state visit next week by Aleksandr G. Lukashenko of Belarus comes as the U.S. has accused China of preparing to send lethal aid to Russia.

By Marc Santora and Chris Buckley
Feb. 25, 2023Updated 3:19 p.m. ET

As officials in Ukraine anxiously watch evolving diplomatic overtures between Moscow and Beijing, China’s top leader will host the president of Belarus — a staunch Kremlin ally — with the pomp of a state visit next week.

On Saturday, China announced the visit, to take place over three days starting on Tuesday, for President Aleksandr Lukashenko of Belarus, who a year ago allowed Russian forces to use his country as a staging ground for their full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The presence in Beijing of such a close partner of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia is likely to increase international attention, and pressure, over China’s straddling position on the war.

The announcement of Beijing’s latest high-profile official visitor comes a week after the Biden administration accused China of considering sending lethal military assistance to Russia, a claim that Chinese officials have denied. If the Chinese send arms and ammunition to Moscow’s formations in eastern Ukraine, the supplies would come at a time when both sides are running low on much-needed artillery rounds.

And after Beijing issued broad principles on Friday for trying to end the fighting in Ukraine, Western leaders voiced disappointment at the lack of more specific ideas in their proposal, or any signs that the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, might be willing to distance himself from Mr. Putin.

Mr. Lukashenko’s office said in a statement that his visit to China would be a chance to offer a “response to acute challenges in the modern international environment.”

In a phone call with Belarus’s foreign minister, Sergei Aleinik, on Friday, his Chinese counterpart, Qin Gang, indicated that Beijing wanted to deepen ties between the two nations and find common ground over Russia’s yearlong war in Ukraine, according to a summary issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry.

Mr. Qin noted that when they met last year, Mr. Lukashenko and Mr. Xi had proclaimed an “all-weather comprehensive strategic partnership” between their countries. Pakistan is the only other country promised such an august-sounding level of official cooperation by China.

Beijing, Mr. Qin said, “opposes the meddling of external forces in Belarus’s domestic affairs and the illegal imposition of unilateral sanctions on Belarus,” which has been subjected to expanded Western penalties because of its support for Russia.

Yauheni Preiherman, the director of the Minsk Dialogue Council on International Relations, said in written answers to questions that “Minsk has long considered China as a key foreign policy and economic partner and, therefore, invested a lot of time and political effort in deepening relations with Beijing.”

“But under the current conditions of unprecedented Western sanctions against Belarus,” he added, “China’s significance for Minsk has grown even further.”

Mr. Lukashenko appears mainly interested in securing more business and investment agreements, Mr. Preiherman said. “Cooperation in the military-industrial complex can surely be part of that, especially since the two countries already have a track record of cooperation in this realm,” he said.

China may gain symbolic and practical payoffs from closer ties with Belarus.

“Because Belarus is so close to Russia and to the battlefield, Lukashenko has exclusive information about the situation on the battlefield,” Mr. Preiherman said. “I am sure this will be of particular interest to the leaders in Beijing.”

Yet while China has tried with limited success to stabilize relations with the United States and other Western countries in recent months, Mr. Lukashenko will be the latest of several of China’s authoritarian partners who have recently been courted by Beijing — a sign that Mr. Xi is far from making a wholesale shift in China’s allegiances.

This month, Mr. Xi hosted Iran’s president, Ebrahim Raisi, telling him that China “opposes external forces interfering in Iran’s internal affairs and undermining Iran’s security and stability,” according to Xinhua, China’s main official news agency. Another visitor to Beijing this month was Hun Sen, the prime minister of Cambodia, a durable regional supporter of China.

Relations between Belarus and China, strained in previous years over Belarus’s frustrated hopes for expanded Chinese investment and trade, have grown closer since Russia’s invasion, according to a research paper by the Eurasian States in Transition Research Center.

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said on Friday that he, too, would like to meet directly with Mr. Xi to discuss Beijing’s proposals on ending the war. There has been no official response to his overture.

The Ukrainian leader has been trying for months to engage Mr. Xi in direct dialogue, to no avail. But Mr. Zelensky’s government has continued to tread carefully when it comes to what it says publicly regarding China, keenly aware that if Beijing were to play a more robust role in supporting the Russian military, it could fundamentally shift the momentum on the battlefield.

Shortly after the announcement of Mr. Lukashenko’s visit, Mykhailo Podolyak, a senior adviser to Mr. Zelensky, issued a statement suggesting that it was not in China’s strategic interest to side with Russia.

“You don’t bet on an aggressor who broke international law and will lose the war,” he wrote on Twitter. “This is short-sighted.”

Belarus has maneuvered carefully over the last year, providing a safe haven, training ground and launchpad for Moscow’s forces while steadfastly refusing to commit its own military to the fight. Ukrainian officials and military analysts have said that there is no evidence suggesting Russian forces are currently planning a ground assault from the country, but military activity there has been a constant source of concern.

Officials in Kyiv, Washington and other capitals will be closely watching for any signs that China’s political support for Mr. Lukashenko translates into closer cooperation in military affairs and technology, with implications for the battlefields of Ukraine. Belarus has been producing the “Polonez” multiple-launch rocket launcher, which experts say has used modified Chinese-made rockets.

Belarus has been developing its own rockets for the Polonez launcher, but still appears eager to draw military support from China, partly to offset Russia’s dominance. In their joint statement signed last year, Mr. Lukashenko and Mr. Xi promised to “further expand practical cooperation in every sphere between the two militaries.”

For Mr. Lukashenko, China may also help offset his reliance on Russia for financial, energy and security assistance to maintain his grip on power. Russian suzerainty over Belarus expanded after large-scale protests in 2020 and has only grown over the course of the war.

There is no sign yet of Mr. Lukashenko sending his own soldiers to fight in Ukraine, as he is likely to be wary that such a move could cause a domestic backlash.

When he met with Mr. Putin in Moscow earlier this month, there were hints at the imbalance in the relationship between the Kremlin and Mr. Lukashenko.

After Mr. Putin thanked Mr. Lukashenko for “agreeing to come,” Mr. Lukashenko replied: “As if I could not agree.”

Though the Belarus-China diplomatic courtship is sure to develop in the weeks and months to come, further shaping both countries’ arms-length involvement in Russia’s war, Ukraine soldiered on on Saturday. The day began and ended in Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital, with air raid sirens.

The Ukrainian military reported on Saturday that Russia had launched 27 airstrikes and 75 rocket attacks on cities and villages in eastern and southern Ukraine over the previous 24 hours, but said that all of the assaults aimed at gaining territory had been repelled.

While Ukraine remains braced for another large-scale missile bombardment, Western and Ukrainian officials have said that Russia is running low on precision missiles. It is also likely to be facing a shortage of the Iranian-made attack drones that it has used in its efforts to penetrate Ukrainian air defenses, the British military intelligence agency said on Saturday.

Following a slew of Western sanctions last year, China has bolstered Russia’s strained supplies of more advanced technology, such as microchips, with a substantial increase in exports to the country.

Additional reporting by Thomas Gibbons-Neff.
Marc Santora is the International News Editor based in London, focusing on breaking news events. He was previously the Bureau Chief for East and Central Europe based in Warsaw. He has also reported extensively from Iraq and Africa.
@MarcSantoraNYT
Chris Buckley is chief China correspondent and has lived in China for most of the past 30 years after growing up in Sydney, Australia. Before joining The Times in 2012, he was a correspondent in Beijing for Reuters. @ChuBailiang
A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 26, 2023, Section A, Page 12 of the New York edition with the headline: Beijing to Host Leader of Belarus, Raising Concerns Over Ukraine. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
 

Housecarl

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They are just using the picture of the M16 as an article posting sample picture.

The weapons they have been getting are far more than just the M16, including our HIMARS. They have already upgraded their AD s/w last fall to reduce the effectives of these systems to a great deal.
Any time two forces engage in combat, such technology "exchanges" are a forgone event.

ETA: Besides, I've seen HIMARS "parts" displayed on this thread at Russian "trophy" events. The tweeter apparently couldn't or wouldn't use those images for some reason, most likely because a top official wasn't shown holding it and or it wasn't immediately identifiably as "American".
 
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raven

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It all depends on the current "Talking Points" being pushed.
Yes, when winning always depends on current talking points,
one can never be wrong.


Cant be right either.

Confunions say Man who never wrong, should not predict future
 
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jward

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Has she been smoking crack with Hunter? He brought us out of chaos? We're on the cusp of a possible war with Russia and China thanks to Biden and his joke of an administration, and people are struggling to pay their bills and buy groceries, and this freaking idiot thinks he brought us out of chaos! SMH
Remember, the war with Russia pre-dates Biden by years, if not decades. Hil had a mad on for RU and was telegraphing such a move would occur during her presidency, which thankfully we were able to avoid. It was a part of the plan. It's always been the plan. Ditto the ever increasing dismantling and destruction of the American culture and standard o' living.

Focusing on blaming Biden, or dismissing him/them as a joke is the whole point of TPTB having installed such an obvious subpar, comidically flawed fool as their figure head. It's intended to keep us busy and defanged, mocking and underestimating, by turns. This keeps us too busy to focus on the real scourge, and set about the serious efforts needed to drag their nasty carcasses to the nearest lamppost, or ditch, if you prefer.
 

jward

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News|Russia-Ukraine war

Russia-Ukraine war: List of key events, day 367​

As the Russia-Ukraine war enters its 367th day, we take a look at the main developments.

Ukrainian servicemen of the 80th Independent Air Assault Brigade fire a Howitzer D-30 artillery weapon towards Russian troops, as Russia's attack on Ukraine continues, near the frontline town of Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine February 24, 2023.

Ukrainian servicemen of the 80th Air Assault Brigade fire a D-30 howitzer artillery weapon towards Russian troops near the front-line town of Bakhmut, Donetsk region, Ukraine [Marko Djurica/Reuters]
Published On 25 Feb 2023
25 Feb 2023

Here is the situation as it stands on Saturday, February 25, 2023:

Fighting​


  • Ukraine’s military said Russia had doubled the number of ships on active duty in the Black Sea and predicted this could be in preparation for more missile attacks.
  • Russia claimed its forces continued their attack in Ukraine’s eastern Donetsk region on Friday, killing up to 240 Ukrainian soldiers over the past 24 hours.
  • Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy promised on Friday, the first anniversary of the war, to do everything to defeat Russia this year.
  • The first German-made Leopard tanks arrived in Kyiv, from Poland, to mark the occasion.
  • Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, who was visiting Kyiv, said his country wants to help Ukraine repel Russian troops and deliver a “clear and measurable signal of further support”.
Local resident Olha reacts as she visits the grave of her son Yuri Stiahliuk, a Ukrainian service member
Resident Olha visits the grave of her son, Yuri Stiahliuk, a Ukrainian service member killed in action against Russian troops, at a cemetery in the town of Bucha, outside Kyiv, Ukraine [Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters]

Diplomacy​

  • China called for urgent peace talks as it released its 12-point plan to end the war.
  • While Zelenskyy welcomed some elements of the Chinese proposal, he said only the country where a war is being fought should be the initiator of a peace plan.
  • US President Joe Biden said he saw nothing in the Chinese plan “that would be beneficial to anyone other than Russia”.
  • Washington announced a $2bn package of military aid for Ukraine and a raft of additional sanctions and tariffs hitting Russia’s mining and metals industries, as well as companies from third countries accused of supplying Moscow. Group of Seven (G7) members Britain and Canada unveiled similar measures, as did the 27-nation European Union.
  • The EU package includes tighter export restrictions regarding dual-use goods as well as measures against entities supporting the war, spreading propaganda or delivering drones used by Russia.
  • Global financial crimes watchdog Financial Action Task Force (FATF) suspended Russia’s membership on Friday, saying Moscow’s war in Ukraine violated the organisation’s principles.
The Ukraine war a year on: Who's paying the price? | Counting the Cost
RT<30m
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONTduH3662E

 

Housecarl

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China refuses to condemn Russia's Ukraine invasion during G20 deadlock​

Published
    • 3 hours ago

    By Oliver Slow
    BBC News

    Finance ministers of the world's largest economies have failed to agree on a closing statement following a summit in India, after China refused to condemn Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
    Beijing declined to accept parts of a G20 statement that deplored Russia's aggression "in the strongest terms".
    Moscow said "anti-Russian" Western countries had "destabilised" the G20.
    It comes after China this week published a plan to end the conflict that was viewed by some as pro-Russian.
    India, which hosted this week's G20 talks in the southern city of Bengaluru, issued a wide-ranging "chair's summary" from the meeting, noting there were "different assessments of the situation" in Ukraine, and on sanctions imposed on Russia.
    A footnote said that two paragraphs summarising the war were "agreed to by all member countries except Russia and China". The paragraphs were adapted from the G20 Bali Leaders' Declaration in November, and criticised "in the strongest terms the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine".

    After taking a back seat since the invasion a year ago, Beijing has stepped up its diplomacy efforts surrounding the conflict in recent weeks. Its top diplomat Wang Yi toured Europe this week, culminating in a warm welcome by Russian President Vladimir Putin in Moscow.
    China also this week published a 12-point plan for ending the war in Ukraine, in which it called for peace talks and respect for national sovereignty. However, the 12-point document did not specifically say that Russia must withdraw its troops from Ukraine, and did not condemn Russia's invasion.
    The Chinese document was welcomed by Russia, prompting US President Joe Biden to comment: "[President] Putin's applauding it, so how could it be any good?"After the G20 meeting, Ajay Seth, a senior Indian official, said in a press conference that Russian and Chinese representatives did not agree to the wording on Ukraine because "their mandate is to deal with economic and financial issues".
    "On the other hand, all the other 18 countries felt that the war has got implications for the global economy" and needed to be mentioned, he added.
    The 17-paragraph summary of the summit also referenced the recent earthquake in Turkey, debt in low- and middle-income countries, global tax policy, and food insecurity.

    Russia's foreign ministry said it regretted the fact that "the activities of the G20 continue to be destabilised by the Western collective and used in an anti-Russian... way".
    It accused the United States, European Union and G7 nations of "clear blackmail", urging them to "acknowledge the objective realities of a multipolar world".
    But German Finance Minister Christian Lindner said: "This is a war. And this war has a cause, has one cause, and that is Russia and Vladimir Putin. That must be expressed clearly at this G20 finance meeting."
    Previous meetings of G20 members have also failed to produce a joint statement since Russia invaded Ukraine last February.
    On Thursday, the UN General Assembly in New York overwhelmingly backed a resolution condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine. The motion was backed by 141 nations with 32 abstaining and seven - including Russia - voting against.



    More on this story​






 

Abert

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Irony - When an artillery detection radar is hit by artillery.

3:01

Rare ARK-1 Counterbattery Radar Hit by Artillery​


View: https://youtu.be/WQrMutu9jpM
YES a major problem with a system sending out a radio wave - the same reason Subs NEVER use active sonar - except in an attack.
This is why Russia has now moved to a passive system - detecting the sound of the fired rounds - zero emission for a counter strike - very much the same as the systems used in cities to detect the location of gun shots.
 

jward

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FLASH
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21m

⚡️Volodymyr Zelenskyi will send to US a list of weapons necessary for victory.
The list will include, among other things, F-16 fighters, — CNN.
"We had a very productive meeting with President Zelenskyi. We talked, first of all, about what his needs are when it comes to winning this war," — Michael McCall, chairman of the House of Representatives Committee on Foreign Affairs, told the newspaper.
View: https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1629715389297881088?s=20
 

von Koehler

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In a just released interview, Armstrong claims the real losses for Ukraine is 250,000.

WWIII starts in 2024 or 2025, lasts until 2027.

America splits apart.
 
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Oreally

Right from the start
Yes, when winning always depends on current talking points,
one can never be wrong.


Cant be right either.

Confunions say Man who never wrong, should not predict future
what i said was, not 'never wrong', but 'never wrong when i assert something with total confidence'. like this situation.

obviously, no one is 'never wrong'. like me marrying the wrong woman once. shoulda listened to my stomach ache in the weeks before the wedding.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
.... and the ukranians who live there will be dealt with harshly.
I am sure they are looking forward to this summer's liberation.
yes. all collaborators will be dealt with severely. those that don't leave while they still can.

but in fact, almost the entirety of the civ population there is anxious for the russians to be ejected.

i am going to ask friend who has been in hiding in a small village if i can share her observations here, next week.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
I am certainly hoping that Ukraine will win, but I am not willing to bet against Socrates. Today's private blog was rather pessimistic on Ukraine.

America could use millions of anti-socialist immigrants. I have the regard for the Ukainian figthing spirit.

The only way Ukraine can win if they up the kill ratio to 10 to 1. That's a very tall order. There needs to be at least 500,000 dead Russians.
the Socrates program is an oracle. and the Bible is very clear, that we must stay away from oracles, seers, witches, etc.

all deception.

and we can definitely meet that number.
 
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