Profit of Doom
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On chickens, I would worry about availability of feed. How would they do on open pasture, grass and bugs?
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It would have to be what they can find and what you can grow/spare. They will eat almost anything. One of ours went running by the door a couple days ago with a snake in its mouth.
Stopped in to the HEB to pick up a few things. The store looked ALMOST normal. Meats were a tad spotty, but there was actually a little flour! About 4 5-lb bags of organic, and a single 5 lb bag of “standard white,” which I snagged. There was also ONE 16 Oz vacuum pack of yeast.i snagged that as well. Bread was fully stocked, eggs were good, milk full, butter adequate. All things considered, it was like a “regular visit” before the national mental breakdown.
Masks were required to enter though. Crowd was pretty much normal too. I was very surprised. But the herd is aware of the looming meat shortage. One woman I spoke to was very aware and frightened about it.
Masks were required to enter though. Crowd was pretty much normal too. I was very surprised. But the herd is aware of the looming meat shortage. One woman I spoke to was very aware and frightened about it.
lonestar09
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Yes prices going up but also the main thing is the way walmart pays their suppliers. Try 60-90 days to get paid. Not going to be real quick on restocking there at those terms
TxGal
Day by day
Summerthyme (or anyone else!), have you ever raised turkeys?
I've been thinking lately about getting about a dozen midget whites. I've read they need to be separated from chickens and we'd need housing built for them anyhow because we're pretty much at capacity for chickens now, but we eat a LOT of turkey. I load up the freezer every Thanksgiving with 'natural' or organic whole turkey breasts (bone-in) (when I can find it). They are pricey as the dickens anyhow, but we could easily do one a month. I don't look forward to the slaughter/butchering, but it's a trade-off for turkeys in the freezer....and I'm not sure how the turkey supply will be this fall.
It's one of those things I seriously am considering, along with adding more galvanized steel raised beds in the garden. They're sold out everywhere now, with luck they may be available for fall gardening.
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
We might not have meat, but we got TP
Grock
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I have several. They get along fine with the chickens. Though I will refrain from telling the story of one tom and his lady chick.. didn't end well as you might imagine.
Just remember they need feed in the winter. During the summer mine forage; Turks and Chickens.
Some do better than others, but it's amazing how much they find to eat (and thrive on) around a small farm or homestead. We have a flock of semi-feral chickens... they consist of a bantam hen, a few pullets she hatched last summer, and a couple of cockerels from last summer we, er... mistook for pullets when we butchered the extras last fall! We clipped wings and tried to put them in with the laying hens last fall (as the three full sized pullets she hatched were laying very well up in the big barn.). Nope... nothing doing! So, they're semi-wild, spend every night roosting in the big barn, and they're plump and shiny.
If I was raising chicks (even hatched by a hen) for meat, I'd be planning on raising as much field corn as I could (either space or strength limitations)... even 2-3# per bird in their last 3 weeks makes a *much* better eating bird.
On turkeys... raising them from purchased poults isn't difficult. Raising them after that is a crap shoot with really lousy odds. We've tried several times, as has my son, with dismal results. The hens need jackets made for them to keep the toms from slicing them open during matng. The hens abandon nests regularly, or finally give up, which is when you discover she cracked most of the eggs, and crushed the only two pouts that hatched!
And incubation hatch rates at the good hatcheries are around 50%, with fatalities between hatch and shipping also around 50%! When I read that, I understood better why poults cost so much!
But if that doesn't deter you (we really got a kick out them... watching them try to mimic a cellphone ringtone is hilarious!) DO NOT get Royal Palms! They are beautiful... no question! But a mature (as in, fully grown 2-3 years... as big as they get) hen weighs 7#! And a roaster Tom may hit 10#. At 6 months! Meanwhile, we've butchered 12 week CornishX cockerels that dressed 11#. On probably half the feed the turkeys took.
Summerthyme
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Omaha Ne, 182 and center street, walmart, has been out of hamburger 3 days strait, but a change,
I have been buying there 10 pound bag of leg+thigh chicken parts for almost 20 years, always been 10 chunks.. but today I bought 2 bags, both bags only had 8 combos, in each bag, weighed them, 1 1/4 pound each combo. and where they usually have nice smooth cut, where they have been seperated, these look like they were sawed off . just something different
I have been buying there 10 pound bag of leg+thigh chicken parts for almost 20 years, always been 10 chunks.. but today I bought 2 bags, both bags only had 8 combos, in each bag, weighed them, 1 1/4 pound each combo. and where they usually have nice smooth cut, where they have been seperated, these look like they were sawed off . just something different
Sounds like they had to hold the birds an extra week, and the employees doing the cutting are either exhausted or trainees...
Summerthyme
Esto Perpetua
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Went to Smart and Final bright and early around oh dark thirty or so... Got grated cheese for my boy because when he gets off work it's gone... Had an urge to go there and it proved correct because the dairy truck was there. Scored some eggs for our house.
Went to Lowe's for a few bell pepper plants. Got three red bells and one jalapeno. Yay! Hopefully I can keep them alive until they outgrow the damned snails and slugs.
Today's project will be clearing a spot where they congregate, turning it and putting out pellets to be followed by nightly roundups.
Yuck.
Went to Lowe's for a few bell pepper plants. Got three red bells and one jalapeno. Yay! Hopefully I can keep them alive until they outgrow the damned snails and slugs.
Today's project will be clearing a spot where they congregate, turning it and putting out pellets to be followed by nightly roundups.
Yuck.
20Gauge
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Why be scared? It was not like she was going to die that minute from the lack of meat. She has time to prepare for it.
20Gauge
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Then things have gotten better with Walmart. 30 years ago, the buyer would hold up any and all payments until you agreed to a new lower price for the coming quarter.
But her fear, multiplied 200 million times, is why the stores are stripped.
20Gauge
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This is the crux of the whole problem....
No matter how many die, it is not important to the survival of this or any nation. It is the reaction to the virus that will define if a nation will survive this virus.
The process started with comments of a new virus.
The virus caused a nation (China) shut itself down
The shut down caused other nations to shut themselves down
The shut down caused people to fear the unknown more than normal
The fear caused our nation and others to run out of TP
The lack of TP caused the fear to become greater
The greater fear caused the population to strip stores clear of anything and everything.
The lack of goods in the stores of 1st world nations increased the fear further.
The even greater fear forces the populace, (other than GTR who buy TVs) to continue to strip stores clean
The news begins to talk about the effects of the virus on meat production.
The effect on meat production is noticed by the populace in the form of spot shortages or lower inventory
The even greater fear is now raised even higher almost to the point of panic.
Once it reaches PANIC levels with the populace, then the effect becomes self sustaining
After the effect becomes self sustaining, then the nation is doomed..... just because people become afraid of what might happen and failed to prepare.
THIS!
greysage
On The Level
Went to the grocery store (Hanna fords) yesterday and today in Vt.
Had to get prescriptions refilled yesterday and realized I want to get a some more foods and paper towels.
Yesterday I went to the much older and worn store that services everyone including the less affluent due to it’s location. Got my meds and everything else I was looking for, only forgot some items.
Figured today I’d go to the newly opened flagship model. Arrived at 0740. Wasn’t packed, but busy.
The place had a lot of holes and much less selection that when I was there 3 weeks ago and much less than the other store the day before.
Must say, for a Friday I was surprised to see the lack of stock. Maybe they’re replenishing during the day?
The thing that got to me are people seem psychologically broken. I was fairly upbeat and glad I was getting what I was getting. It’s impossible to interact with anyone. I asked a man if he was waiting in line. He snaps at me, ‘This is where we wait until he (points over toward a guy) calls us over.’ No problem for me, but then he moves away from like I’m too close. The guy was standing on the red dot and had his cart at arms length behind him, then there was my cart in between us also.
Oh yeah, second upscale store was totally out of eggs. Plenty in the other store day before.
Wonder what next week will look like.
Had to get prescriptions refilled yesterday and realized I want to get a some more foods and paper towels.
Yesterday I went to the much older and worn store that services everyone including the less affluent due to it’s location. Got my meds and everything else I was looking for, only forgot some items.
Figured today I’d go to the newly opened flagship model. Arrived at 0740. Wasn’t packed, but busy.
The place had a lot of holes and much less selection that when I was there 3 weeks ago and much less than the other store the day before.
Must say, for a Friday I was surprised to see the lack of stock. Maybe they’re replenishing during the day?
The thing that got to me are people seem psychologically broken. I was fairly upbeat and glad I was getting what I was getting. It’s impossible to interact with anyone. I asked a man if he was waiting in line. He snaps at me, ‘This is where we wait until he (points over toward a guy) calls us over.’ No problem for me, but then he moves away from like I’m too close. The guy was standing on the red dot and had his cart at arms length behind him, then there was my cart in between us also.
Oh yeah, second upscale store was totally out of eggs. Plenty in the other store day before.
Wonder what next week will look like.
Cyclonemom
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Tylenol/acetaminophen are the newest hard to find items in WI.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Time to write her will?
Went to the grocery store (Hanna fords) yesterday and today in Vt.
Had to get prescriptions refilled yesterday and realized I want to get a some more foods and paper towels.
Yesterday I went to the much older and worn store that services everyone including the less affluent due to it’s location. Got my meds and everything else I was looking for, only forgot some items.
Figured today I’d go to the newly opened flagship model. Arrived at 0740. Wasn’t packed, but busy.
The place had a lot of holes and much less selection that when I was there 3 weeks ago and much less than the other store the day before.
Must say, for a Friday I was surprised to see the lack of stock. Maybe they’re replenishing during the day?
The thing that got to me are people seem psychologically broken. I was fairly upbeat and glad I was getting what I was getting. It’s impossible to interact with anyone. I asked a man if he was waiting in line. He snaps at me, ‘This is where we wait until he (points over toward a guy) calls us over.’ No problem for me, but then he moves away from like I’m too close. The guy was standing on the red dot and had his cart at arms length behind him, then there was my cart in between us also.
Oh yeah, second upscale store was totally out of eggs. Plenty in the other store day before.
Wonder what next week will look like.
That is what everyone is asking. I haven't been in a store for weeks except to pick up a replacement belt at Agway but the looks on peoples faces when I am waiting for pick up is sad.
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Doubtful. I would expect someone who has advanced knowledge would do something to improve their situation, but how many times have we noted that people are simply Darwin Award winners just waiting to win.
Bubble Head
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Down to my last 100# of Grits. Tried to buy a sack on line out of Dallas but they sent my money back without explanation. I think they are holding only for Texicans. Don't get me wrong. 100#'s will get us through this episode in life but I still get nervous about my Grits.
TxGal
Day by day
Emergency Essentials (beprepared.com) appears to be recovering from the recent craze in buying. They have many more items available for shipping now:
beprepared.com
Also, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) online store has some items back in stock and available to order. If a price is showing, it can be ordered:
Available for Order Today!
Helping families prepare for over 30 years, Emergency Essentials is the country's most trusted source of emergency food and supplies. To keep up with demand during the coronavirus/COVID-19 crisis, we are focusing production on the most important products
beprepared.com
Also, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) online store has some items back in stock and available to order. If a price is showing, it can be ordered:
mzkitty
I give up.
FL -- Had to go out for a few things. Store was still low on a lot of the rices, except for the really expensive stuff in jars that nobody chose. I noticed there were quite a few rices from Lousiana, is there something wrong with them? I would try it but I don't need any now. TP still totally out. Did score another box of Puffs. All my Puffs are starting to breed in the pantry. LOL. Pasta still way low, but did get another box of linguini and one of vermicelli. Sauces low, just got some diced tomatoes and a few other canned veg's since they were on sale. Tuna -- they had the expensive Albacore and Yellow Fin in sea water, so I got a couple of those. Can't see spending good money on dreckie brands, you know? Quite a few people in masks, except for the clerks. They all must be super-healthy. And they had plenty of 5-lb bags of different flours. I gave up looking for yeast.
NEOhio here,haven't been to store for 3 1/2 weeks.(local Giant Eagle)
Alot of people wearing masks now,there were none before.Not all the cashiers were wearing them though.
Potatoes are back only a few bags last time I was there.Flour is back but no yeast.Meat case looking much better,last time there was no chicken except wings,and hardly any beef.It was mostly bare.
Still alot of holes,such as cereal,boxed cake mixes and cookies and juices.Also fewer brands to choose from and holes in the canned soup aisle.
No butter last time but a decent amount today,I replaced what I had used.
Only a few packages of paper towels,limit one,and they were actually selling single wrapped rolls of toilet paper.No clorox wipes.
Alot of people wearing masks now,there were none before.Not all the cashiers were wearing them though.
Potatoes are back only a few bags last time I was there.Flour is back but no yeast.Meat case looking much better,last time there was no chicken except wings,and hardly any beef.It was mostly bare.
Still alot of holes,such as cereal,boxed cake mixes and cookies and juices.Also fewer brands to choose from and holes in the canned soup aisle.
No butter last time but a decent amount today,I replaced what I had used.
Only a few packages of paper towels,limit one,and they were actually selling single wrapped rolls of toilet paper.No clorox wipes.
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I noticed that Walmart online had many LTS foods now available (though it changes daily).Emergency Essentials (beprepared.com) appears to be recovering from the recent craze in buying. They have many more items available for shipping now:
Available for Order Today!
Helping families prepare for over 30 years, Emergency Essentials is the country's most trusted source of emergency food and supplies. To keep up with demand during the coronavirus/COVID-19 crisis, we are focusing production on the most important products
Also, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) online store has some items back in stock and available to order. If a price is showing, it can be ordered:
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Order from CVS or Walgreens for pickup.
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
They should be fine. The manager probably had to source warehouses farther afield. We're getting some N. MN pickles and such for that reason at the local HyVee, per my neighbor.
There are many useful cookbooks available... years ago, I bought the entire "Farmer's Wife Cookbook" series (edited by Lela Nargi), as well as one titled "Stories and Recipes From the Great Depression"
They are wonderful... basic recipes, stories about how the coped, etc.
I also highly recommend the cookbooks put out by The Farm Journal... out of print now, but I completely wore out my copy of the Farm Journal Country Cookbook as a clueless young bride. I had learned the basics of cooking from 4-H, and my Mom was a fantastic cook... she *loved* to cook, and liked nothing better than to singlehandedly cook a breakfast for 100 at church! Well, I don't like it that much, but feeding a hardworking farmer and then active, hardworking growing kids, I sure needed to learn. And, on a very tight budget!
What I loved about the Farm Journal cookbooks is they didn't call for a lot of "exotic" (read: imported) ingredients... most used foods I could produce myself (and their canning and freezing cookbook is a classic for that necessary part of the food cycle)
Aside from that, stock up on as many basic spices (it's hard to have too much black pepper, for example, and the whole peppercorns keep forever vacuum packed in glass or heavy mylar, and stay useful just in canning jars in a cool spot for years) as you can reasonably afford. The supply chain for most spices is nearly as complex as the old Silk Road days!
One last thought... while fresh fruits are wonderful, they are also either seasonal or imported from (often) a long way away. And they are *very* weather sensitive. I'm already concerned about the supply this year, with this cold snap extending so far south.
Consider buying alternatives... canned and dried keep for years, and frozen in syrup will be fine at least 2 years after freezing. (We're just using up the sliced strawberries in syrup I froze when we got over 200 quarts from our strawberry patch in 2017)
Something I read years ago really made an impact on me... post WWII, the European peoples were literally starving. Americans, as is their wont, got together and had food drives in local communities to send overseas. One church group had quite an argument about whether to even send one donation... a notorious skinflint woman had included a bag of OLD dried fruit... so old (and, apparently, poorly stored), it was almost black. They finally decided to include it, rather reluctantly. And they were shocked when, in a letter of heartfelt thanks the recipients sent, the *only* item singled out for especial gratitude was that old, black dried fruit. They actually said women cried upon seeing it, and were so thankful to be able to give some fruit to their children.
Very few of us have any idea what REAL hard times are like.
Summerthyme
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mzkitty
I give up.
TxGal
Day by day
I'll second the Farm Journal cookbooks! About 30 yrs ago I borrowed one from our local library, then searched for them at thrift stores and library book sales. Finally got some on Ebay. I think I have them all, and started building a set for our DD, too. They're priceless!
skwentnaflyer
Veteran Member
I’ll third! My mother had the Country Cookbook, it flat out fell apart. I found a mint copy at a garage sale for fifty cents and snatched it up for my daughter
Galoutofdixie
Contributing Member
Thank you, to Summer and TxGal, skwentnaflyer, and WalknTrot. Just ordered 3 of them from Amazon. I like to collect and use old cookbooks, and can't wait to get these!
20Gauge
TB Fanatic
Are the prices higher in each case?Emergency Essentials (beprepared.com) appears to be recovering from the recent craze in buying. They have many more items available for shipping now:
Available for Order Today!
Helping families prepare for over 30 years, Emergency Essentials is the country's most trusted source of emergency food and supplies. To keep up with demand during the coronavirus/COVID-19 crisis, we are focusing production on the most important products
Also, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) online store has some items back in stock and available to order. If a price is showing, it can be ordered:
jazzy
Advocate Discernment
we trei the walmart grocery pick up service, new to this small rural area. it went bery smoothly, some substitutions, some items out of stock but all in all it was nice and easy. saw that about 3/4ths of the people going in and out of the store wore masks. employees did not that we could tell.
for the grocery pickup we placed order on line, good response back, with list of tiems, asking if id accept substitutions, ti selected the pickup day and time. got updated email a couple days before on my list, then the day of pickup got another for me to confirm that i was picking it up. we arrived, followed the orange signs around the side, stayed in truck, someone can out for ID, then put the bags in the back. that was it. nice and Easy.
prices were a little higher than normal, a couple things out of stock not too bad tho.,
for the grocery pickup we placed order on line, good response back, with list of tiems, asking if id accept substitutions, ti selected the pickup day and time. got updated email a couple days before on my list, then the day of pickup got another for me to confirm that i was picking it up. we arrived, followed the orange signs around the side, stayed in truck, someone can out for ID, then put the bags in the back. that was it. nice and Easy.
prices were a little higher than normal, a couple things out of stock not too bad tho.,
TxGal
Day by day
I can't answer that question, sorry! I haven't ordered from EE in gosh, I guess a year or so.
With the LDS prices, I usually shop in person and the prices are different than online. I'm virtually certain the LDS folks set their prices for the year on 1 January, and they stay firm for the entire calendar year. I had ordered flour and nonfat dried milk months ago from the online store since it wasn't available locally at the Home Storage Centers, and I received the flour I think last month and the milk in the last few days. Both are still showing not available at the moment online. I am very, very thankful and truly fortunate to have received them at all.
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