INTL Rationing petrol, energy at home and meat could tackle climate change - experts - United Kingdom

Melodi

Disaster Cat
And here we go. Some here have predicted "Climate/Carbon points" and Food Rationing for some time now. Climate Change may be one excuse they try to use to cover up the growing supply chain, farming, and food availability issues. Note the words "experts" and "scientists" who are not identified- Melodi

Is THIS the key to tackling climate change? Scientists claim World War II-style RATIONING of petrol, energy and meat could help countries slash their carbon emissions 'rapidly and fairly'
Rationing petrol, energy at home and meat could tackle climate change - experts
They say a WWII-style approach would help countries cut their carbon emissions
By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:45, 20 February 2023 | UPDATED: 11:57, 20 February 2023

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Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War II-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say.

They claim that this would help countries to slash their greenhouse gas emissions 'rapidly and fairly'.

Researchers from the University of Leeds also said that governments could restrict the number of long-haul flights people make in a year or 'limit the amount of petrol one can buy in a month'.

They said that previous schemes put forward as a way to fight global warming – such as carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes – would not work because they favoured the wealthy, who would effectively be able to buy the right to pollute.

The experts also made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'.

Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)
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The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'
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The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'

But rationing in Britain during the war was widely accepted, the authors wrote in their paper.

'As long as there was scarcity, rationing was accepted, even welcomed or demanded,' they said.

How would the scheme work?
The researchers say there are two options for a rationing policy:

Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance. They could then give out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage

Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods. This includes flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing

It wasn't until nine years after the war ended that rationing finished in the UK.

In much the same way as during World War Two, the researchers argue that carbon rationing would allow people to receive an equal portion of resources based on their needs, therefore sharing out the effort to protect the planet.

Lead author Dr Nathan Wood, who is now a postdoctoral fellow at Utrecht University's Fair Energy Consortium, said: 'The concept of rationing could help, not only in the mitigation of climate change, but also in reference to a variety of other social and political issues – such as the current energy crisis.'


The researchers add: 'Rationing is often seen as unattractive, and therefore not a viable option for policy-makers.

'It is important to highlight the fact that this was not the case for many of those who had experienced rationing.

'It is important to emphasise the difference between rationing itself and the scarcity that rationing was a response to.

'Of course, people did welcome the end of rationing, but they were really celebrating the end of scarcity, and celebrating the fact that rationing was no longer necessary.'

The problem with rationing energy, meat and petrol, the researchers point out, is that people might not be as willing to accept it as they would if resources were scarce, because they know there is an 'abundance of resources available'.

To tackle this, the researchers said, governments could regulate the biggest polluters, such as oil, gas and petrol, long-haul flights and intensive farming, which would therefore create a scarcity in products that harm the planet.


They added that rationing could then be introduced gradually to manage the resulting scarcity.

Fellow lead author Dr Rob Lawlor, of the University of Leeds, said: 'There is a limit to how much we can emit if we are to reduce the catastrophic impacts of climate change. In this sense, the scarcity is very real.

'It seems feasible to reduce emissions overall even while the lowest emitters, often the worst off, may be able to increase their emissions – not despite rationing, but because of rationing and price controls.'

Dr Wood added: 'The cost of living crisis has shown what happens when scarcity drives up prices, with energy prices rising steeply and leaving vulnerable groups unable to pay their bills.

'Currently, those living in energy poverty cannot use anywhere near their fair share of energy supply, whereas the richest in society are free to use as much energy as they can afford.'

The experts said one way to roll out the rationing scheme would be to use 'carbon cards', which would work like bank cards to keep track of a person's carbon allowance, rather than using ration cards.

Dr Lawlor said: 'Many have proposed carbon allowances and carbon cards before.

'What is new (or old, taking inspiration from World War II) is the idea that the allowances should not be tradable.

'Another feature of World War II-style rationing is that price controls on rationed goods would prevent prices from rising with increased demand, benefitting those with the least money.'

The experts believe that rationing would also encourage people to move to more sustainable lifestyles, rather than relying on fossil fuels.

'For example, rationing petrol could encourage greater use of, and investment in, low carbon public transport, such as railways and local trams,' Dr Wood said.

The study has been published in the journal Ethics, Policy & Environment.

THE PARIS AGREEMENT: A GLOBAL ACCORD TO LIMIT TEMPERATURE RISES THROUGH CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS
The Paris Agreement, which was first signed in 2015, is an international agreement to control and limit climate change.

It hopes to hold the increase in the global average temperature to below 2°C (3.6ºF) 'and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C (2.7°F)'.

It seems the more ambitious goal of restricting global warming to 1.5°C (2.7°F) may be more important than ever, according to previous research which claims 25 per cent of the world could see a significant increase in drier conditions.

The Paris Agreement on Climate Change has four main goals with regards to reducing emissions:

1) A long-term goal of keeping the increase in global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels

2) To aim to limit the increase to 1.5°C, since this would significantly reduce risks and the impacts of climate change

3) Governments agreed on the need for global emissions to peak as soon as possible, recognising that this will take longer for developing countries

4) To undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with the best available science

Source: European Commission
 

colonel holman

Veteran Member
It is one thing after another, and at an accelerating pace.
From gas stoves to a 90% population reduction.
It all seems to be running as planned.

ETA… I have wondered if the very aggressive pace of pushing abnormal sexual expression is simply to reduce actual repoduction, as part of populations control. Same with the extremes of abortion. Having a baby could soon become a hostile act, as planned. Heterosexual activity could become “illegal”
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
These are not 'experts' -- They are WEF stooges. And, there is no natural 'climate change'. At all. The shortages that we are experiencing are not natural. They are being made to happen by these same experts.

ETA: Their objective is to collapse society, greatly reduce the human population, and absolutely control every aspect of what is left. Do not accept or participate in your own demise. Your life, through your own freedom, creativity and goodness, is meant for the greater good; is the greater good.
 
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gjwandkids

Contributing Member
TPTB are panicking. The dirty little secret is that farmers are aging (average age in the U.S. is 57.5 years and the average age globally is 65 years) and there aren't a lot of younger people going into farming. Current farmers are encouraging their children to leave the farm and do something easier. There is less land being farmed in the U.S (not sure about globally).

So if they don't do something, people will notice. But they don't want people to notice. Hence the smoke and mirrors about climate change.
 

Elza

Veteran Member
TPTB are panicking. The dirty little secret is that farmers are aging (average age in the U.S. is 57.5 years and the average age globally is 65 years) and there aren't a lot of younger people going into farming. Current farmers are encouraging their children to leave the farm and do something easier. There is less land being farmed in the U.S (not sure about globally).
I had an uncle in Indiana that was a VERY successful farmer. When he passed my aunt was set for the rest of her life. My cousin (their son) could have walked into and taken over the complete setup. He wouldn't do it. This is not a condemnation of my cousin in any way. He just didn't want the farming life. This was many years ago so it wasn't a matter of 'the computer generation' not wanting to get their hands dirty. He worked in a local factory. So kids working the family farm has been waning for decades. But why and for however long doesn't really matter. The problem of feeding the masses is getting worse.
 

ghost

Veteran Member
And here we go. Some here have predicted "Climate/Carbon points" and Food Rationing for some time now. Climate Change may be one excuse they try to use to cover up the growing supply chain, farming, and food availability issues. Note the words "experts" and "scientists" who are not identified- Melodi

Is THIS the key to tackling climate change? Scientists claim World War II-style RATIONING of petrol, energy and meat could help countries slash their carbon emissions 'rapidly and fairly'
Rationing petrol, energy at home and meat could tackle climate change - experts
They say a WWII-style approach would help countries cut their carbon emissions
By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:45, 20 February 2023 | UPDATED: 11:57, 20 February 2023

View comments
Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War II-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say.

They claim that this would help countries to slash their greenhouse gas emissions 'rapidly and fairly'.

Researchers from the University of Leeds also said that governments could restrict the number of long-haul flights people make in a year or 'limit the amount of petrol one can buy in a month'.

They said that previous schemes put forward as a way to fight global warming – such as carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes – would not work because they favoured the wealthy, who would effectively be able to buy the right to pollute.

The experts also made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'.

Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)
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Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)

The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'
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The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'

But rationing in Britain during the war was widely accepted, the authors wrote in their paper.

'As long as there was scarcity, rationing was accepted, even welcomed or demanded,' they said.

How would the scheme work?
The researchers say there are two options for a rationing policy:

Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance. They could then give out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage

Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods. This includes flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing

It wasn't until nine years after the war ended that rationing finished in the UK.

In much the same way as during World War Two, the researchers argue that carbon rationing would allow people to receive an equal portion of resources based on their needs, therefore sharing out the effort to protect the planet.

Lead author Dr Nathan Wood, who is now a postdoctoral fellow at Utrecht University's Fair Energy Consortium, said: 'The concept of rationing could help, not only in the mitigation of climate change, but also in reference to a variety of other social and political issues – such as the current energy crisis.'


The researchers add: 'Rationing is often seen as unattractive, and therefore not a viable option for policy-makers.

'It is important to highlight the fact that this was not the case for many of those who had experienced rationing.

'It is important to emphasise the difference between rationing itself and the scarcity that rationing was a response to.

'Of course, people did welcome the end of rationing, but they were really celebrating the end of scarcity, and celebrating the fact that rationing was no longer necessary.'

The problem with rationing energy, meat and petrol, the researchers point out, is that people might not be as willing to accept it as they would if resources were scarce, because they know there is an 'abundance of resources available'.

To tackle this, the researchers said, governments could regulate the biggest polluters, such as oil, gas and petrol, long-haul flights and intensive farming, which would therefore create a scarcity in products that harm the planet.


They added that rationing could then be introduced gradually to manage the resulting scarcity.

Fellow lead author Dr Rob Lawlor, of the University of Leeds, said: 'There is a limit to how much we can emit if we are to reduce the catastrophic impacts of climate change. In this sense, the scarcity is very real.

'It seems feasible to reduce emissions overall even while the lowest emitters, often the worst off, may be able to increase their emissions – not despite rationing, but because of rationing and price controls.'

Dr Wood added: 'The cost of living crisis has shown what happens when scarcity drives up prices, with energy prices rising steeply and leaving vulnerable groups unable to pay their bills.

'Currently, those living in energy poverty cannot use anywhere near their fair share of energy supply, whereas the richest in society are free to use as much energy as they can afford.'

The experts said one way to roll out the rationing scheme would be to use 'carbon cards', which would work like bank cards to keep track of a person's carbon allowance, rather than using ration cards.

Dr Lawlor said: 'Many have proposed carbon allowances and carbon cards before.

'What is new (or old, taking inspiration from World War II) is the idea that the allowances should not be tradable.

'Another feature of World War II-style rationing is that price controls on rationed goods would prevent prices from rising with increased demand, benefitting those with the least money.'

The experts believe that rationing would also encourage people to move to more sustainable lifestyles, rather than relying on fossil fuels.

'For example, rationing petrol could encourage greater use of, and investment in, low carbon public transport, such as railways and local trams,' Dr Wood said.

The study has been published in the journal Ethics, Policy & Environment.

THE PARIS AGREEMENT: A GLOBAL ACCORD TO LIMIT TEMPERATURE RISES THROUGH CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS
The Paris Agreement, which was first signed in 2015, is an international agreement to control and limit climate change.

It hopes to hold the increase in the global average temperature to below 2°C (3.6ºF) 'and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C (2.7°F)'.

It seems the more ambitious goal of restricting global warming to 1.5°C (2.7°F) may be more important than ever, according to previous research which claims 25 per cent of the world could see a significant increase in drier conditions.

The Paris Agreement on Climate Change has four main goals with regards to reducing emissions:

1) A long-term goal of keeping the increase in global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels

2) To aim to limit the increase to 1.5°C, since this would significantly reduce risks and the impacts of climate change

3) Governments agreed on the need for global emissions to peak as soon as possible, recognising that this will take longer for developing countries

4) To undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with the best available science

Source: European Commission
There are no Experts anywhere on the Planet Earth, period.
 

blueinterceptor

Veteran Member
I’m not understanding the supply chain issues when it comes to certain things. Is there really a supply chain issue if we are not producing energy to our fullest potential? Is there an issue if we are telling farmers to under plow their crops? If we are just going to kill feral cows? If we just dump hundreds of gallons of milk into the sewers?

it seems a waste to me that we don’t harvest those crops and either dehydrate them or preserve them in some way and distribute them to the needy, even if we don’t consume it here.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
And here we go. Some here have predicted "Climate/Carbon points" and Food Rationing for some time now. Climate Change may be one excuse they try to use to cover up the growing supply chain, farming, and food availability issues. Note the words "experts" and "scientists" who are not identified- Melodi

Is THIS the key to tackling climate change? Scientists claim World War II-style RATIONING of petrol, energy and meat could help countries slash their carbon emissions 'rapidly and fairly'
Rationing petrol, energy at home and meat could tackle climate change - experts
They say a WWII-style approach would help countries cut their carbon emissions
By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:45, 20 February 2023 | UPDATED: 11:57, 20 February 2023

View comments
Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War II-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say.

They claim that this would help countries to slash their greenhouse gas emissions 'rapidly and fairly'.

Researchers from the University of Leeds also said that governments could restrict the number of long-haul flights people make in a year or 'limit the amount of petrol one can buy in a month'.

They said that previous schemes put forward as a way to fight global warming – such as carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes – would not work because they favoured the wealthy, who would effectively be able to buy the right to pollute.

The experts also made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'.

Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)
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Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)

The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'
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The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'

But rationing in Britain during the war was widely accepted, the authors wrote in their paper.

'As long as there was scarcity, rationing was accepted, even welcomed or demanded,' they said.

How would the scheme work?
The researchers say there are two options for a rationing policy:

Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance. They could then give out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage

Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods. This includes flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing

It wasn't until nine years after the war ended that rationing finished in the UK.

In much the same way as during World War Two, the researchers argue that carbon rationing would allow people to receive an equal portion of resources based on their needs, therefore sharing out the effort to protect the planet.

Lead author Dr Nathan Wood, who is now a postdoctoral fellow at Utrecht University's Fair Energy Consortium, said: 'The concept of rationing could help, not only in the mitigation of climate change, but also in reference to a variety of other social and political issues – such as the current energy crisis.'


The researchers add: 'Rationing is often seen as unattractive, and therefore not a viable option for policy-makers.

'It is important to highlight the fact that this was not the case for many of those who had experienced rationing.

'It is important to emphasise the difference between rationing itself and the scarcity that rationing was a response to.

'Of course, people did welcome the end of rationing, but they were really celebrating the end of scarcity, and celebrating the fact that rationing was no longer necessary.'

The problem with rationing energy, meat and petrol, the researchers point out, is that people might not be as willing to accept it as they would if resources were scarce, because they know there is an 'abundance of resources available'.

To tackle this, the researchers said, governments could regulate the biggest polluters, such as oil, gas and petrol, long-haul flights and intensive farming, which would therefore create a scarcity in products that harm the planet.


They added that rationing could then be introduced gradually to manage the resulting scarcity.

Fellow lead author Dr Rob Lawlor, of the University of Leeds, said: 'There is a limit to how much we can emit if we are to reduce the catastrophic impacts of climate change. In this sense, the scarcity is very real.

'It seems feasible to reduce emissions overall even while the lowest emitters, often the worst off, may be able to increase their emissions – not despite rationing, but because of rationing and price controls.'

Dr Wood added: 'The cost of living crisis has shown what happens when scarcity drives up prices, with energy prices rising steeply and leaving vulnerable groups unable to pay their bills.

'Currently, those living in energy poverty cannot use anywhere near their fair share of energy supply, whereas the richest in society are free to use as much energy as they can afford.'

The experts said one way to roll out the rationing scheme would be to use 'carbon cards', which would work like bank cards to keep track of a person's carbon allowance, rather than using ration cards.

Dr Lawlor said: 'Many have proposed carbon allowances and carbon cards before.

'What is new (or old, taking inspiration from World War II) is the idea that the allowances should not be tradable.

'Another feature of World War II-style rationing is that price controls on rationed goods would prevent prices from rising with increased demand, benefitting those with the least money.'

The experts believe that rationing would also encourage people to move to more sustainable lifestyles, rather than relying on fossil fuels.

'For example, rationing petrol could encourage greater use of, and investment in, low carbon public transport, such as railways and local trams,' Dr Wood said.

The study has been published in the journal Ethics, Policy & Environment.

THE PARIS AGREEMENT: A GLOBAL ACCORD TO LIMIT TEMPERATURE RISES THROUGH CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS
The Paris Agreement, which was first signed in 2015, is an international agreement to control and limit climate change.

It hopes to hold the increase in the global average temperature to below 2°C (3.6ºF) 'and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C (2.7°F)'.

It seems the more ambitious goal of restricting global warming to 1.5°C (2.7°F) may be more important than ever, according to previous research which claims 25 per cent of the world could see a significant increase in drier conditions.

The Paris Agreement on Climate Change has four main goals with regards to reducing emissions:

1) A long-term goal of keeping the increase in global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels

2) To aim to limit the increase to 1.5°C, since this would significantly reduce risks and the impacts of climate change

3) Governments agreed on the need for global emissions to peak as soon as possible, recognising that this will take longer for developing countries

4) To undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with the best available science

Source: European Commission
Sounds good. Let us start with you and your family. Then all your friends and everyone who supports this crap.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Honestly, you could completely agree with them
and cut all your consumption down to the bare bones number of food calories, energy utilization, and everything else
and they would tell you that it is your fault and you are not doing enough.

So fire up the fire pit and cook a pig
cause there ain't no voting your way out of this
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
When did you stop eating meat?
What drives the Anointed up the wall is that we don't have any people who self-id as Lesser Classes. That will be fixed.

It will arrive when you have moved into a small apt in a tall apt building and walk to work while the Anointed come in from the suburbs driving their electric autos.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
What drives the Anointed up the wall is that we don't have any people who self-id as Lesser Classes. That will be fixed.

It will arrive when you have moved into a small apt in a tall apt building and walk to work while the Anointed come in from the suburbs driving their electric autos.
So by "we", you are saying you are among the anointed living in the suburbs driving an electric auto?

And by "you", you have predetermined my fate?

Interesting.
Give it a go and let me know how that works out.
 

Sammy55

Veteran Member
I agree that there are young people who don't want to carry on their family farms, BUT there ARE young people who DO WANT to farm whether they have family farms or not!

I don't think the problem is lack of people to farm. I think there are three problems for a good share of it. One is the amount of money it takes to get into farming in such a way that it makes it profitable. Everything costs a lot of money to start and that starting money is not something that people interested in farming usually have up front. The second is that the d*mn g o v sticks its nose into farming business (actually, everyone's business) way too often and too deep. Get the g o v out of it and let the farming situation be run by supply and demand. The third is that the middlemen seem to make way more than the farmers. There has to be a balance. I know the customers don't want to pay high prices, and the farmers need to make enough to cover their supplies and labor, and the middlemen also need to cover their costs. But the more middlemen who charge too much, the less the farmers get and the more the customer pays.

We - as a society - should be working to make it easier for people to get into farming, if that is what they feel called to do. Farming shouldn't be so full of the red tape and restrictions and high prices for buying supplies while having to settle for lower prices. It's also time for farmers to sell local and for customers to buy local.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And here we go. Some here have predicted "Climate/Carbon points" and Food Rationing for some time now. Climate Change may be one excuse they try to use to cover up the growing supply chain, farming, and food availability issues. Note the words "experts" and "scientists" who are not identified- Melodi

Is THIS the key to tackling climate change? Scientists claim World War II-style RATIONING of petrol, energy and meat could help countries slash their carbon emissions 'rapidly and fairly'
Rationing petrol, energy at home and meat could tackle climate change - experts
They say a WWII-style approach would help countries cut their carbon emissions
By SAM TONKIN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:45, 20 February 2023 | UPDATED: 11:57, 20 February 2023

View comments
Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War II-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say.

They claim that this would help countries to slash their greenhouse gas emissions 'rapidly and fairly'.

Researchers from the University of Leeds also said that governments could restrict the number of long-haul flights people make in a year or 'limit the amount of petrol one can buy in a month'.

They said that previous schemes put forward as a way to fight global warming – such as carbon taxes or carbon trading schemes – would not work because they favoured the wealthy, who would effectively be able to buy the right to pollute.

The experts also made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'.

Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)
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Climate change could be tackled with the help of a World War Two-style rationing of petrol, meat and the energy people use in their homes, UK scientists say (stock image)

The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'
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The experts made a comparison with the need to limit certain goods as they grew scarce in the 1940s, adding that trying to achieve this by raising taxes was rejected at the time because 'the impact of tax rises would be slow and inequitable'

But rationing in Britain during the war was widely accepted, the authors wrote in their paper.

'As long as there was scarcity, rationing was accepted, even welcomed or demanded,' they said.

How would the scheme work?
The researchers say there are two options for a rationing policy:

Policymakers could introduce an all-encompassing carbon allowance. They could then give out 'carbon cards' like bank cards to track and limit usage

Alternatively, governments could ration specifically selected goods. This includes flights, petrol, household energy, or even meat or clothing

It wasn't until nine years after the war ended that rationing finished in the UK.

In much the same way as during World War Two, the researchers argue that carbon rationing would allow people to receive an equal portion of resources based on their needs, therefore sharing out the effort to protect the planet.

Lead author Dr Nathan Wood, who is now a postdoctoral fellow at Utrecht University's Fair Energy Consortium, said: 'The concept of rationing could help, not only in the mitigation of climate change, but also in reference to a variety of other social and political issues – such as the current energy crisis.'


The researchers add: 'Rationing is often seen as unattractive, and therefore not a viable option for policy-makers.

'It is important to highlight the fact that this was not the case for many of those who had experienced rationing.

'It is important to emphasise the difference between rationing itself and the scarcity that rationing was a response to.

'Of course, people did welcome the end of rationing, but they were really celebrating the end of scarcity, and celebrating the fact that rationing was no longer necessary.'

The problem with rationing energy, meat and petrol, the researchers point out, is that people might not be as willing to accept it as they would if resources were scarce, because they know there is an 'abundance of resources available'.

To tackle this, the researchers said, governments could regulate the biggest polluters, such as oil, gas and petrol, long-haul flights and intensive farming, which would therefore create a scarcity in products that harm the planet.


They added that rationing could then be introduced gradually to manage the resulting scarcity.

Fellow lead author Dr Rob Lawlor, of the University of Leeds, said: 'There is a limit to how much we can emit if we are to reduce the catastrophic impacts of climate change. In this sense, the scarcity is very real.

'It seems feasible to reduce emissions overall even while the lowest emitters, often the worst off, may be able to increase their emissions – not despite rationing, but because of rationing and price controls.'

Dr Wood added: 'The cost of living crisis has shown what happens when scarcity drives up prices, with energy prices rising steeply and leaving vulnerable groups unable to pay their bills.

'Currently, those living in energy poverty cannot use anywhere near their fair share of energy supply, whereas the richest in society are free to use as much energy as they can afford.'

The experts said one way to roll out the rationing scheme would be to use 'carbon cards', which would work like bank cards to keep track of a person's carbon allowance, rather than using ration cards.

Dr Lawlor said: 'Many have proposed carbon allowances and carbon cards before.

'What is new (or old, taking inspiration from World War II) is the idea that the allowances should not be tradable.

'Another feature of World War II-style rationing is that price controls on rationed goods would prevent prices from rising with increased demand, benefitting those with the least money.'

The experts believe that rationing would also encourage people to move to more sustainable lifestyles, rather than relying on fossil fuels.

'For example, rationing petrol could encourage greater use of, and investment in, low carbon public transport, such as railways and local trams,' Dr Wood said.

The study has been published in the journal Ethics, Policy & Environment.

THE PARIS AGREEMENT: A GLOBAL ACCORD TO LIMIT TEMPERATURE RISES THROUGH CARBON EMISSION REDUCTION TARGETS
The Paris Agreement, which was first signed in 2015, is an international agreement to control and limit climate change.

It hopes to hold the increase in the global average temperature to below 2°C (3.6ºF) 'and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5°C (2.7°F)'.

It seems the more ambitious goal of restricting global warming to 1.5°C (2.7°F) may be more important than ever, according to previous research which claims 25 per cent of the world could see a significant increase in drier conditions.

The Paris Agreement on Climate Change has four main goals with regards to reducing emissions:

1) A long-term goal of keeping the increase in global average temperature to well below 2°C above pre-industrial levels

2) To aim to limit the increase to 1.5°C, since this would significantly reduce risks and the impacts of climate change

3) Governments agreed on the need for global emissions to peak as soon as possible, recognising that this will take longer for developing countries

4) To undertake rapid reductions thereafter in accordance with the best available science

Source: European Commission

If they succeed in eliminating fossil fuels in agriculture, the biggest the population could be is 5 million. That's what it was during Roman empire times.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I forgot to mention yesterday that the UK also always starts having articles about rationing whenever it looks like a conflict or war might occur. I've noticed this trend since just after 9/11 when I had to go first to the USA and then to the United Kingdom just a few weeks afterward.

So some of this article is you're want to be overlords promising a world of rationing to save the planet, and the other is the subtle "get ready for wartime" the UK does any time it looks like there the potential for conflict.

Also, it would be illegal to say if the UK government directly planted a particular article. Still, it is also true that it is perfectly legal in the UK for the government to ask the press to print specific articles or write on certain topics without calling them "opinion" pieces (editorial).
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
No.

Now what?

Send your best most violent minions.

I'm easy to find.

Follow the coal smoke and the smell of filet mignon on the propane grill.

They most assuredly will "get me&mine".
We won't go lonely.
We won't go at all.
It's they won't leave.
Three SSS's.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
If they succeed in eliminating fossil fuels in agriculture, the biggest the population could be is 5 million. That's what it was during Roman empire times.
''That's what it was during Roman empire times.''
Then the ''West'' will die.
The Global South nations will live just fine without the insanity of the NATO Nations who are pushing this narrative.
Oh, by the way, a 100% direct positive impact on ''Global Warming'' is to stop 90% of all plane flights.
The NATO Nations should start now, today, immediately.
 
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zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"But rationing in Britain during the war was widely accepted, the authors wrote in their paper.

As long as there was scarcity, rationing was accepted, even welcomed or demanded,' they said."
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zeker.. "they will make a scarcity" :shk: and if that doesnt work fast enuf, war
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"The problem with rationing energy, meat and petrol, the researchers point out, is that people might not be as willing to accept it as they would if resources were scarce, because they know there is an 'abundance of resources available'."
 
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Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I had an uncle in Indiana that was a VERY successful farmer. When he passed my aunt was set for the rest of her life. My cousin (their son) could have walked into and taken over the complete setup. He wouldn't do it. This is not a condemnation of my cousin in any way. He just didn't want the farming life. This was many years ago so it wasn't a matter of 'the computer generation' not wanting to get their hands dirty. He worked in a local factory. So kids working the family farm has been waning for decades. But why and for however long doesn't really matter. The problem of feeding the masses is getting worse.

This is why I have a hard time laying any more than 50% of the blame at the globalist’ feet.

Every individual gets a choice in life.

Work a little and survive, or…..work like many lives depend on it and leave a legacy and an empire to pass on.

After multiple generations of 99% choosing the former…..here we are.

Stupid will hurt, and empty bellies may just inspire a change of attitude.

Wait for it…….










……..but don’t hold your breath.
 

zeker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I know the customers don't want to pay high prices, and the farmers need to make enough to cover their supplies and labor, and the middlemen also need to cover their costs. But the more middlemen who charge too much, the less the farmers get and the more the customer pays.
the customer ends up paying high prices and the gov points its fat finger at the farmers, to alienate/villainize the farmer.

remember.. its always somebodys fault.

lets point to the farmer to deflect from the real culprit.. gov

sheesh. this sounds like I,m blaming sammy55. nope

just couldnt figger any way to say it that shows the gov as the real villian.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
The Brits always tended toward loving Big Brother. The ones who stayed there anyway. The mavericks left long ago.
 
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