INTL Queen Strips Prince Andrew of All Military Titles and Patronages

Dennis Olson

Dennis Olson

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Queen Strips Prince Andrew of All Military Titles and Patronages

Simon Kent3-3 minutes 1/13/2022

Buckingham Palace announced Thursday that Queen Elizabeth has stripped her son Prince Andrew of all military titles and patronages and he will no longer be entitled to use His Royal Highness (HRH) as a form of address.

The action – effective immediately – means he is now forced to defend his sexual abuse case in a U.S. court as a “private citizen.” The civil case, brought by Virginia Giuffre, is due to move into a discovery phase soon where Andrew may have to sit for an interview under oath – known as a deposition.

The decision is understood to have been taken following wide discussions amongst the Royal Family.

It comes on the same day more than 150 UK military veterans wrote to Queen Elizabeth and asked her to strip Andrew of his honorary military titles.

Their demand follows his relationship with the late, disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein, as Breitbart News reported.

More than 150 UK military veterans have written to Queen Elizabeth and asked her to strip Prince Andrew of his honorary military titles. Their call follows his relationship with the late, disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein. UK Veterans Turns on Prince Andrew: Call To Strip Him of Military Titles

— Breitbart News (@BreitbartNews) January 13, 2022

A Buckingham Palace spokesperson said: “With The Queen’s approval and agreement, The Duke of York’s military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to The Queen.

“The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen.”

A royal source told the Daily Telegraph all of the Duke’s roles have been handed back to the Queen with immediate effect for redistribution to other members of the Royal Family.



Britain’s Prince Andrew, Duke of York, salutes as he attends a ceremony commemorating the 75th anniversary of the liberation of Bruges on September 7, 2019 in Bruges. (NICOLAS MAETERLINCK/AFP via Getty Images)

The downgrading comes just 24-hours after Prince Andrew had his bid to get a civil case which alleges he sexually assaulted Virginia Giuffre dismissed by a U.S. judge, as Breitbart News reported.

Andrew, who has not been charged with any criminal offences, has vehemently denied all the allegations against him.

This story is developing…

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Meemur

Meemur

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I agree . . . they'll pressure Charles not to do it or bypass him for William. Fine with me! As far as royals go, I don't have a problem with William and Kate.

Andrew should probably be on house arrest, at the very least.
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

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WOW....threw his arse right under the bus. :rofl: :eleph:Wonder how long it will be until the FULL LIST of JOHNS is finally divulged....won't that be fun!?!?
 
Kathy in FL

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Meemur said:
I agree . . . they'll pressure Charles not to do it or bypass him for William. Fine with me! As far as royals go, I don't have a problem with William and Kate.

Andrew should probably be on house arrest, at the very least.
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He's become persona non grata. I think the Windsor's are trying to make it not so hard on his daughters by up to this point not making things overt. However ... Momma just got overt and she's taking care of business now that she has her grief firmly in hand. I suspect Andrew and Harry better keep an eye on their sixes, the Queen is firmly on the throne.
 
Melodi

Melodi

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Griz3752 said:
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None of that really matters as the UK Crown has no real power any more. The House of Windsor is UK's leading tourist attraction, nothing more.
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In reality, the Queen of England has some of the most extensive powers of any Royal in Europe, she has just made a habit of not exercising most of them, the majority of the time. There are fears that Charles may be less restrained.

On the thread topic, in reality, the worst part of this for Randy Andy has to have his HRH title essentially taken away. That is a HUGE deal, and it almost never happens. When it happened to Diana there was a huge blowback that has never totally healed in many places.

In this case he totally deserves it (in my opinion and obviously that of his Mother) I am not sure, but this might also take him out of the royal line of secession - not that it matters much at this stage, but I'm not that up to the arcane workings of the British Royal Family to be certain.
 
Griz3752

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Kathy in FL said:
He's become persona non grata. I think the Windsor's are trying to make it not so hard on his daughters by up to this point not making things overt. However ... Momma just got overt and she's taking care of business now that she has her grief firmly in hand. I suspect Andrew and Harry better keep an eye on their sixes, the Queen is firmly on the throne.
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Very true but I think Charles has failed her more severely than either of her grandsons. I wouldn't be surprised to see one of her last official acts to be skipping over Chas in favor of William....
E. II has always been a stickler over moral issues before so Chas may be on her list; we don't talk anymore so I'm out of the loop these days LOL!
 
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Housecarl

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ShadowMan said:
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WOW....threw his arse right under the bus. :rofl: :eleph:Wonder how long it will be until the FULL LIST of JOHNS is finally divulged....won't that be fun!?!?
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Interesting thing. When he retired from active naval service back in 2001 with the rank of Commander, he didn't get bumped to Captain, but instead "honorary" Captain. I'm guessing between what was going on between Fergie and him and whatever else he was up to was known by the Queen, Prince Consort and the Admiralty. Though the information got quashed the RN drew a line between ceremonial rank and activities and any possibility of real further operational command responsibilities.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Melodi said:
On the thread topic, in reality, the worst part of this for Randy Andy has to have his HRH title essentially taken away. That is a HUGE deal, and it almost never happens. When it happened to Diana there was a huge blowback that has never totally healed in many places.
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I doubt anyone would care about this happening to Andy. Diana on the other hand, people around the world loved her sins and all.
 
day late

day late

money? whats that?
I'm seriously doubting that this is anything more than window dressing. I mean really. When was the last time anyone even heard of him actually doing anything military? It's all for show.
 
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Housecarl

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day late said:
I'm seriously doubting that this is anything more than window dressing. I mean really. When was the last time anyone even heard of him actually doing anything military? It's all for show.
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Yes, but "show" has a very big role in both diplomacy and domestic politics.

Another thing that has to be considered is how much of a fiscal hit this represents to Andrew?
 
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PrairieMoon

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Melodi said:
In this case he totally deserves it (in my opinion and obviously that of his Mother) I am not sure, but this might also take him out of the royal line of secession - not that it matters much at this stage, but I'm not that up to the arcane workings of the British Royal Family to be certain.
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Do you know, would this take his offspring out the royal line of secession as well? Just curious.
 
Griz3752

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Melodi said:
In reality, the Queen of England has some of the most extensive powers of any Royal in Europe, she has just made a habit of not exercising most of them, the majority of the time. There are fears that Charles may be less restrained.

On the thread topic, in reality, the worst part of this for Randy Andy has to have his HRH title essentially taken away. That is a HUGE deal, and it almost never happens. When it happened to Diana there was a huge blowback that has never totally healed in many places.

In this case he totally deserves it (in my opinion and obviously that of his Mother) I am not sure, but this might also take him out of the royal line of secession - not that it matters much at this stage, but I'm not that up to the arcane workings of the British Royal Family to be certain.
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Yes but it's been more than a little while since a Windsor did anything political or international treaty-wise etc on his/her own. Those powers, like most, atrophy without use & if she were to attempt to use them, I doubt it would be like in Victoria's day.
It might be interesting to see what happens though.

Within the House of Windsor though she is The Big Dog, no doubt; Andy is pooched.
Someone posted she might be trying to divert heat from his daughters which is very likely; she has always been a good Gran I think & really, Andy's kids shouldn't pay for his sins.

We're all just observers & for the most part, at a distance so I nominate Melodi, who's much nearer the scene, as the TB2K Observer on the ground ....
 
Griz3752

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Meemur said:
I haven't heard anything about Prince Edward in forever!
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Edward got his knuckles rapped for being mentioned in a drug case & has been very low profile ever since. I think he's a lot more careful about whom he associates with now.

I think he was in publishing but haven't heard or seen a reference to him in a very long time.
Of course, if he's not screwing up, he's not very newsworthy is he?
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
packyderms_wife said:
I doubt anyone would care about this happening to Andy. Diana on the other hand, people around the world loved her sins and all.
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Many people in the UK still care about Diana and the Royal family walks a very thin tightrope on that one. The Crown TV Series with its blend of fact and fiction hasn't helped and it is no secret that The Palace is terrified of this next series that goes into "The Interview" and Diana's death without a disclaimer on it (so far, Netflix may be forced to have one).

This is why we are seeing things like the "unavailing" of her special statue, and other tributes being made that most Americans don't see unless they read the UK press.

As for Andy, at this point Sarah gets a lot more sympthathy than he does, and that appears to include not just the UK Public but also the Queen. The Queen is said to be quite impressed by how solid and steady she has been for her daughters after those early years when she was kind of the "wilde child" of the monarchy.

Until all heck broke loose in the sex trial, it was strongly rumored that "soon" the Queen would give her blessing for Sharah and Andrew to remarry. As it is, they may have divorced legally but despite all the garbage, they lived together during most of the time they have been divorced.

And yes, I do think the Queen is doing her best to protect Andrew's daughters, she even allowed one of them to do the previously unthinkable, invited her fiance to Christmas in Scotland without a wedding ring. This was the same granddaughter she loaned one of her own dresses to for the wedding when it finally happened (after being canceled three times, one of which was because of her father).

But I do think she has had long talks with Charles, William, The Palace, and her lawyers and decided that painful as it is, especially since he was always thought to be her favorite child; she has to throw Andy under the bus at least officially.

Unofficially she can probably still give him a place to live and have the occasional private lunch. She or more likely Charles might stop him from being sent to a US Prison (but not perhaps save him from serving a sentence in the UK if there is a criminal trial at some stage).

We shall see...half the reason the UK still has a royal family is the tourism and the other half is partly the entertainment value they provide (again that's my opinion).
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
day late said:
I'm seriously doubting that this is anything more than window dressing. I mean really. When was the last time anyone even heard of him actually doing anything military? It's all for show.
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His last slots were staff jobs in both the RN and MoD prior to which he held operational unit commands and responsibilities over both personnel and unit assigned aircraft and command of a naval combatant vessel. So he actually was on the "flag path" if his performance reviews were up to snuff (and the billets were there to be filled).
 
Melodi

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Griz3752 said:
Edward got his knuckles rapped for being mentioned in a drug case & has been very low profile ever since. I think he's a lot more careful about whom he associates with now.

I think he was in publishing but haven't heard or seen a reference to him in a very long time.
Of course, if he's not screwing up, he's not very newsworthy is he?
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His wife is considered a very close confidant and a great support/comfort to the Queen. Frankly, I see more about her in the press on those topics than I see about her husband.

Both Edward and his wife also got into trouble nearly two decades ago now, when if I recall (and the details are hazy) they were caught out trying to earn money by using their Royal Status to meet with clients.

They survived this, I think because The Firm (royal family) and the Palace realized this was a situation partly of their own making. They had been insisting that members of the direct royal family unless they were in that direct - Queen/Charles/Wiliam and now George lineup, should get jobs and not be given money from the taxpayer (or the Queen).

After the fiasco, little was heard about those plans for basically a generation (20 years) because The Palace Mavans realized just how badly these things could look. They were already traumatized when the divorced Sarah had debts and took roles as a spokeswoman for Weight Watchers and hawking late-night infomercials in the US.

Realizing this was a great way to convince the public they didn't need a royal house anymore, quiet arrangements were made so that the "other" royals could have independent lives but would agree to avoid those sorts of commercial ventures.

This is all going to boil up again because, at least until Harry bolted, Charles kept harping on how he was going to restrict the royal family to just those a few people, essentially sending out all the siblings (like Andrew, Harry, Charlotte, and her brother, Edward, and Sophie) out on "their own." Perhaps with small pensions but then perhaps not.

Then after Harry bolted, it was realized just how few "working royals" there are, not nearly enough of them to supply all the "required" visits to hospitals and cutting ribbons to open shopping malls. This hadn't been noticed before The Queen did so many of them every year herself.

Suddenly, Andy's daughters who had begged for royal jobs when younger (or their Dad did it for them) were being begged to come back and work; but since both are married and have small babies, they are not doing this much. Being accepted as Princesses was a bit too late, at least until their children are older.

Anne (Charles Sister) took over even more "Royal Engagements," William was promoted to doing a lot of them for an heir to a Crown Prince, and even Kate does an of them now (especially what used to be called "Lady Stuff," like flower shows, elementary schools or hospital visits).
 
Griz3752

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Melodi said:
We shall see...half the reason the UK still has a royal family is the tourism and the other half is partly the entertainment value they provide (again that's my opinion).
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Yes but proximity & rationality lend a great deal of credence; please update further when you can.
 
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Melodi

Melodi

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Griz3752 said:
Yes but proximity & rationality lend a great deal. credence; please update further when you can.
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Well, thanks, I've mentioned this before, and one reason I pay attention to this stuff is that it is great fodder for historical novels and/or fantasy as there are only so many plots that human beings or royal families can get up.

The beautiful woman in a loveless marriage who takes a shine to a handsome young soldier (Diana AND Victoria's Mother, Victoria very likely was not the child of her official father).

Princes who wish to escape the life pattern set out for them and run away to do something else - that's a classic, except this time I doubt very much that the Young Prince will become a hero and go home covered in glory to either rule the kingdom is his older brother dies or become the right hand of the Crown (and reformed rake).

The "Warrior Prince" (once Andrew, then Harry) who comes to ruin because they can't keep their pants (or hose) on long enough and/or are so constantly in debt they make scandalous deals with disreputable people was also probably old when Troy became a City in the Bronze Age.

I could keep this up for hours but you get the idea, every story has a modern twist, but the basic stories are Nothing New Under the Sun, even if that Sun is Alpha Centauri I suspect humans will stay pretty much the same.
 
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