RACE Prayer request please

bev

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Update: Just to explain the “issue” last summer ... DH was returning from walking the dog one evening, and “cut the corner” so to speak, by taking a few steps on neighbor’s driveway heading into our front yard. Literally 4-5 steps. On concrete. The neighbor said to my DH the next day that he would call the police if he ever set foot on his property again. (Neighbor had cameras obviously.) We had never had any real issues with this guy and tried to be nice when we saw him, talked about the weather, invited him for dinner once and TOOK him dinner once. We never got our Tupperware back.

When we built our house (he already lived next door), we built a small, narrow patio/porch on the side of our house since DH and I use the side door. We did some nice landscaping around it, made a very small brick “pad” from the concrete into the grass, leaving enough room to walk to the gate to the back yard. It was a nice little sitting area for DH and me. His driveway was 3 feet away. We would leash our pup and walk him, out the side door to the concrete porch, across the little brick part, onto the grass and let him do his business in the area by the gate. On our property.

Did I mention that neighbor works for the US Dept of Health? In DC. Yeah, he’s never home. He’d show up every 3-4 weeks to mow his grass until he hired someone to do it. Sometime last summer, I think, was when he put in his Ring doorbell. He also decided to widen his driveway, so now it almost abuts our little brick walkway. If we step off the brick walk, we are maybe 6 inches from his driveway. Impossible to take the dog out that way anymore.

Last time he was home was before Thanksgiving, and we noticed him changing out some of his cameras. One was now pointed almost directly AT OUR SIDE DOOR! It has a light that goes on when we go in/out at night.

So, from the beginning, he made clear that he didn’t like our grands kicking their soccer balls over his fence, but he especially didn’t like DH retrieving them. We had a serious talk with the grands about trying not to kick a ball over the fence, NEVER climbing the fence to retrieve a ball, and NEVER setting foot in his yard or on his driveway. They’ve been very good about this.

Last Saturday, I think, the grands were playing with friends in the back yard and ran through the gate on our side of the house (we’ve told the grands not to use that gate, but their friends didn’t know). This almost immediately put a couple of them on neighbor’s driveway since there’s very little of our yard by the gate. Instantly they heard this booming voice yelling, “If you don’t get off my property, I will call the police!” The kids were scared to death, of course, the little one was crying.

Neighbor is not home. He obviously gets some kind of instant notification if someone is in the sights of his cameras, but this was really fast. Like he was just watching them. Maybe he’s notified whenever we use our door. It’s really creeping me out.

Advice? Thoughts? Would police even come/do anything if he’s not there and there’s no damage?

My alter-ego would like to climb up on a ladder and look right into his camera and say, “If you EVER threaten our kids again...”
 

night driver

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I would hang a dark green tarp along that 6 inches of yard so he couldn't SEE the door. Run it back as far as you want towards the actual gate but hide the door and walk.

Dark green rather than blue, as blue tarps are kinda ghetto-trash (in my view). Make sure it's opaque. (I'd likely check to see if there were any sail-making shops in town or awning makers who might have the necessary fabric. Use a couple of poles driven into the ground to support the tarp.
 

Breeta

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I’d build a really tall wall... so all his camera could see is a fence! And have him pay for half!
 
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FireDance

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I would hang a dark green tarp along that 6 inches of yard so he couldn't SEE the door. Run it back as far as you want towards the actual gate but hide the door and walk.

Dark green rather than blue, as blue tarps are kinda ghetto-trash (in my view). Make sure it's opaque. (I'd likely check to see if there were any sail-making shops in town or awning makers who might have the necessary fabric. Use a couple of poles driven into the ground to support the tarp.
Do you think black out curtains would work? The only problem I see is weather and sun damage. But, my thought is you can get them in different colors and claim decorative.

Meanwhile, how good are you with a sling shot? Oooooo. Obviously a poor idea, but it would be nice.

Can his camera be lasered out? (Still think you’d be playing a bad game here.

I also think calling the cops is a bad idea too. (Escalates it.)

Prayers added for a solution and for protection.
 
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steve graham

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Dear God, this is just ridiculous......I'm praying for peace in this situation.......may all involved be open to the peace of God! I'm so sorry and horrified that your family has had to go through this......it's just wrong!!
 
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bev

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I would hang a dark green tarp along that 6 inches of yard so he couldn't SEE the door. Run it back as far as you want towards the actual gate but hide the door and walk.

Dark green rather than blue, as blue tarps are kinda ghetto-trash (in my view). Make sure it's opaque. (I'd likely check to see if there were any sail-making shops in town or awning makers who might have the necessary fabric. Use a couple of poles driven into the ground to support the tarp.

Chuck, I like your idea, but we have an HOA that must approve anything we put on our property, except plants. Hmm ... maybe a couple of strategically placed trees.
 

Kathy in FL

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Chuck, I like your idea, but we have an HOA that must approve anything we put on our property, except plants. Hmm ... maybe a couple of strategically placed trees.

I don't know your location but there is a type of "living fence" type tree that would work really well and annoy the crap out of him. It grows tall and thin. I think it is called an Italian Evergreen or something like that. Or it is an arborvitae. It grows fast. Superfast for a tree. Your HOA should love it.
 
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Rabbit

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I would hang a dark green tarp along that 6 inches of yard so he couldn't SEE the door. Run it back as far as you want towards the actual gate but hide the door and walk.

Dark green rather than blue, as blue tarps are kinda ghetto-trash (in my view). Make sure it's opaque. (I'd likely check to see if there were any sail-making shops in town or awning makers who might have the necessary fabric. Use a couple of poles driven into the ground to support the tarp.
Good idea about the tarp but I would make it a Confederate Flag and a loudspeaker that plays Dixie.

Didn't see The HOA, hang the flag on the door but do go with the speakers.
 

ioujc

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Bev>>>Lifting you and your loved ones up for God's perfect protection and mercies.
 
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rob0126

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Chuck, I like your idea, but we have an HOA that must approve anything we put on our property, except plants. Hmm ... maybe a couple of strategically placed trees.

I would look into the HOA rules.

Might be something in there about a neighbour being a jerk.
Or something about privacy invasion with a spotlight aimed at your door.

Other than that, I'd block the view of his camera.
 

AlfaMan

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This guy for sure doesn't sound like a local.

Here's a twist on how to get even with your noxious neighbor. Do you have his name? If he's dept of health and traveling then most likely he's got a clearance.
If that's the case, call the local FBI field office and report him for unusual behavior. Because he's got a camera pointing at your door-that's not normal neighbor behavior! Paranoid, yelling at kids to stay off his lawn via security camera, threatening your husband. With your neighbor working in DC and DC being oh so scared over mentally unstable insurrectionists at the capitol (and everywhere else and even under Comrade Joe's bed apparently) it might tip an investigation into his off work activities. (Even if there are none, it gets him flagged and puts him under further scrutiny).
Paint him as unstable and paranoid (because he is). Make his work environment a little uncomfortable-he'll get the message. And it gets his personnel file tagged for stability issues.
Don't work harder-work smarter :)
 

bev

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I don't know your location but there is a type of "living fence" type tree that would work really well and annoy the crap out of him. It grows tall and thin. I think it is called an Italian Evergreen or something like that. Or it is an arborvitae. It grows fast. Superfast for a tree. Your HOA should love it.

Thanks, Kathy. I’ll look into that.
 

bev

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This guy for sure doesn't sound like a local.

Here's a twist on how to get even with your noxious neighbor. Do you have his name? If he's dept of health and traveling then most likely he's got a clearance.
If that's the case, call the local FBI field office and report him for unusual behavior. Because he's got a camera pointing at your door-that's not normal neighbor behavior! Paranoid, yelling at kids to stay off his lawn via security camera, threatening your husband. With your neighbor working in DC and DC being oh so scared over mentally unstable insurrectionists at the capitol (and everywhere else and even under Comrade Joe's bed apparently) it might tip an investigation into his off work activities. (Even if there are none, it gets him flagged and puts him under further scrutiny).
Paint him as unstable and paranoid (because he is). Make his work environment a little uncomfortable-he'll get the message. And it gets his personnel file tagged for stability issues.
Don't work harder-work smarter :)

Alf, I just found out DH does know his last name. I only knew his first name. We’ll have to mull this over and pray on it. Thanks!
 

Macgyver

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Get a friend to come by one night and spray paint all his cameras. Don't do it yourself because you should just assume he can see you coming outside.
 
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vessie

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Update: Just to explain the “issue” last summer ... DH was returning from walking the dog one evening, and “cut the corner” so to speak, by taking a few steps on neighbor’s driveway heading into our front yard. Literally 4-5 steps. On concrete. The neighbor said to my DH the next day that he would call the police if he ever set foot on his property again. (Neighbor had cameras obviously.) We had never had any real issues with this guy and tried to be nice when we saw him, talked about the weather, invited him for dinner once and TOOK him dinner once. We never got our Tupperware back.

When we built our house (he already lived next door), we built a small, narrow patio/porch on the side of our house since DH and I use the side door. We did some nice landscaping around it, made a very small brick “pad” from the concrete into the grass, leaving enough room to walk to the gate to the back yard. It was a nice little sitting area for DH and me. His driveway was 3 feet away. We would leash our pup and walk him, out the side door to the concrete porch, across the little brick part, onto the grass and let him do his business in the area by the gate. On our property.

Did I mention that neighbor works for the US Dept of Health? In DC. Yeah, he’s never home. He’d show up every 3-4 weeks to mow his grass until he hired someone to do it. Sometime last summer, I think, was when he put in his Ring doorbell. He also decided to widen his driveway, so now it almost abuts our little brick walkway. If we step off the brick walk, we are maybe 6 inches from his driveway. Impossible to take the dog out that way anymore.

Last time he was home was before Thanksgiving, and we noticed him changing out some of his cameras. One was now pointed almost directly AT OUR SIDE DOOR! It has a light that goes on when we go in/out at night.

So, from the beginning, he made clear that he didn’t like our grands kicking their soccer balls over his fence, but he especially didn’t like DH retrieving them. We had a serious talk with the grands about trying not to kick a ball over the fence, NEVER climbing the fence to retrieve a ball, and NEVER setting foot in his yard or on his driveway. They’ve been very good about this.

Last Saturday, I think, the grands were playing with friends in the back yard and ran through the gate on our side of the house (we’ve told the grands not to use that gate, but their friends didn’t know). This almost immediately put a couple of them on neighbor’s driveway since there’s very little of our yard by the gate. Instantly they heard this booming voice yelling, “If you don’t get off my property, I will call the police!” The kids were scared to death, of course, the little one was crying.

Neighbor is not home. He obviously gets some kind of instant notification if someone is in the sights of his cameras, but this was really fast. Like he was just watching them. Maybe he’s notified whenever we use our door. It’s really creeping me out.

Advice? Thoughts? Would police even come/do anything if he’s not there and there’s no damage?

My alter-ego would like to climb up on a ladder and look right into his camera and say, “If you EVER threaten our kids again...”
I would have a survey crew out there and have them survey the property lines.

Even if you've already had it done, or you assume the builder did, Just get it done Again.

And also, you need to also put RING surveillance cams out there too that point to his property.

I'm being very serious about this.

And he can watch everything and wonder, "WTH are they doing??!!??" Let him think whatever he wants.

There is a very real possibility that He May have paved over even an inch onto your property.

But if I had a neighbor like that, I would be looking for somewhere else to buy and just sell the house.

I think that your situation is Not going to get any better, no matter how nice you are, it's only going to get worse.

I have to wonder at the Jekyll and Hyde routine he's done, and wonder if he may have started taking statins.

There reason I say this is that many doctors prescribe statins like it's candy and how absolutely No Clue that statins can have a very negative psychological effect on the person taking it.

Like seriously bad aggression. I have seen this myself.

There was one article in one of the psych magazines which talked about a doctor in a hospital who was always so easy going and then he started statins and became the biggest asshole the hospital every had working there.

He was beyond verbally abusive to the staff and it got So Bad that HR had to order him to stop taking the statins.

He stopped and went back to the easy going guy he was known to be and the big thing was that he had absolutely no "symptom self awareness".

He had no idea or memory of being a total asshole to everybody on staff.

But anyway, from what you write, this guy is not right. He sounds broken in the head and it will only get worse.

If it was my neighbor, I would sell the house and just try to make a profit and find another place.

When looking at homes, I Always check out the neighborhood and even go there on weekend nights, just to see what the neighbors are like. I also do a background check on those who I have to live close to.

I know that sounds very extreme, but we are living in very strange times and my next door neighbor when I first moved into the house I'm in now, became bipolar. It was my ex bro inlaw and my sister got him out pretty quickly.

But if it had not happened, I'd have spiffed up the house and sold it.

I get a very bad *feeling* about this neighbor and he's already showed you in so many ways that he's not going to get better. V
 

vessie

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With the neighbor concentrating to hard on you guys with the cameras all pointed at your house, I have to wonder if the guy is a voyeur.

Also, the next time he tries to threaten you even via the RING device, make sure you take a vid of the direction it's coming from, even if there is no action there, you will have his voice on the vid. And keep doing this.

And go to your local PD and just have a talk with a supervisor just telling him/her that you have some very strong concerns as to the mental state of (neighbor's name) and then let them hear all the ranting and raving from the vid you recorded them on and tell them that you just wanted to let them know what has been going on and that the neighbor does not seem mentally stable.

That way, you've planted a 'seed' in their minds about the neighbor and even though they don't right down a report, the neighbor will be now considered maybe a bit of a threat to police.

Remember, the first one who calls/approaches a situation with the police is always believed and also, research has shown that people always believe the first thing they hear about someone, even if they've never met them.

It's all just human nature, so you have to start being proactive like Right Now, to establish yourselves as being the sane ones, if that nutball next door decides to make a false accusation on you and calls the cops.

I'm only saying all this, because I've seen your scenario play out before and I was lucky to stand on the sidelines, observe and learn what to do with a person like the guy next door. V
 

vessie

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This guy for sure doesn't sound like a local.

Here's a twist on how to get even with your noxious neighbor. Do you have his name? If he's dept of health and traveling then most likely he's got a clearance.
If that's the case, call the local FBI field office and report him for unusual behavior. Because he's got a camera pointing at your door-that's not normal neighbor behavior! Paranoid, yelling at kids to stay off his lawn via security camera, threatening your husband. With your neighbor working in DC and DC being oh so scared over mentally unstable insurrectionists at the capitol (and everywhere else and even under Comrade Joe's bed apparently) it might tip an investigation into his off work activities. (Even if there are none, it gets him flagged and puts him under further scrutiny).
Paint him as unstable and paranoid (because he is). Make his work environment a little uncomfortable-he'll get the message. And it gets his personnel file tagged for stability issues.
Don't work harder-work smarter :)
AlfaMan, I just read your post.

Great minds and all that... Lol! V
 

vessie

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Bev, I have The Perfect Plant for you to grow that faces your neighbor's cameras!

I found it by mistake when I was looking for Persian melon seeds and this pic of a melon popped up and I laughed so hard I almost peed my pants!

You need to seriously plant a whole 'screen' of these melon vines between you and the neighbor.

What a hoot! Lol!

Here it is, but please if you have to go pee, do it first before you see what these melons look like. V

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steve graham

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Put up a privacy fence.......many good suggestions here.....pick one of them. Stop playing around with this nut........ pick your choice of privacy and go with it. This nut will intimidate you as long as he can. Don't allow it! Do report him to the FBI......you deserve to live in peace!!
 

AlfaMan

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Bev, while you're praying on it, add this to your discussion with the local PD and/or the feds.

He just redid his his driveway after seeming to go from nice guy to neighbor from hell. Abrupt change in personality to physical changes to his home, interesting change in behavior pattern!) And driveways are expensive, how is he paying for it on a govt salary?

Is there something UNDER that new driveway that he might be hiding (like, say, bodies??)

People that are mean or rude towards my family get this treatment-it's devastatingly effective. Look them in the face and smile as you stick the knife in and twist it.

Make the perception reality.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I'm going to go in the opposite direction with this suggestion.

Why not ask him why the change in attitude? You guys started out friendly and then he did an abrupt 180. Something set him off, and since you don't know what it is, it's probably some mistaken idea he has about you. Maybe someone reported him to the HOA and he thinks it's you. Maybe a short, friendly conversation can straighten it all out. And if it doesn't, then you know for sure where you stand and can go from there (I like the idea of tall hedges/bushes along the property line if it turns out its not some miscommunication and the guy is just impossible).

Good luck and I will add my prayers for the situation.

HD
 

vessie

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The only big problem I see about planting hedges is that they grow out on all sides and this would mean that your hedge may grow over his property line, giving him some leeway into trying to get at you, legally via the HOA.

And also, if you think you can just keep the hedges trimmed, he won't be wanting you on his property to do it.

That is why a screen/fence is a better idea than planting something between your property lines. V
 
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Countrymouse

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Update: Just to explain the “issue” last summer ... DH was returning from walking the dog one evening, and “cut the corner” so to speak, by taking a few steps on neighbor’s driveway heading into our front yard. Literally 4-5 steps. On concrete. The neighbor said to my DH the next day that he would call the police if he ever set foot on his property again. (Neighbor had cameras obviously.) We had never had any real issues with this guy and tried to be nice when we saw him, talked about the weather, invited him for dinner once and TOOK him dinner once. We never got our Tupperware back.

When we built our house (he already lived next door), we built a small, narrow patio/porch on the side of our house since DH and I use the side door. We did some nice landscaping around it, made a very small brick “pad” from the concrete into the grass, leaving enough room to walk to the gate to the back yard. It was a nice little sitting area for DH and me. His driveway was 3 feet away. We would leash our pup and walk him, out the side door to the concrete porch, across the little brick part, onto the grass and let him do his business in the area by the gate. On our property.

Did I mention that neighbor works for the US Dept of Health? In DC. Yeah, he’s never home. He’d show up every 3-4 weeks to mow his grass until he hired someone to do it. Sometime last summer, I think, was when he put in his Ring doorbell. He also decided to widen his driveway, so now it almost abuts our little brick walkway. If we step off the brick walk, we are maybe 6 inches from his driveway. Impossible to take the dog out that way anymore.

Last time he was home was before Thanksgiving, and we noticed him changing out some of his cameras. One was now pointed almost directly AT OUR SIDE DOOR! It has a light that goes on when we go in/out at night.

So, from the beginning, he made clear that he didn’t like our grands kicking their soccer balls over his fence, but he especially didn’t like DH retrieving them. We had a serious talk with the grands about trying not to kick a ball over the fence, NEVER climbing the fence to retrieve a ball, and NEVER setting foot in his yard or on his driveway. They’ve been very good about this.

Last Saturday, I think, the grands were playing with friends in the back yard and ran through the gate on our side of the house (we’ve told the grands not to use that gate, but their friends didn’t know). This almost immediately put a couple of them on neighbor’s driveway since there’s very little of our yard by the gate. Instantly they heard this booming voice yelling, “If you don’t get off my property, I will call the police!” The kids were scared to death, of course, the little one was crying.

Neighbor is not home. He obviously gets some kind of instant notification if someone is in the sights of his cameras, but this was really fast. Like he was just watching them. Maybe he’s notified whenever we use our door. It’s really creeping me out.

Advice? Thoughts? Would police even come/do anything if he’s not there and there’s no damage?

My alter-ego would like to climb up on a ladder and look right into his camera and say, “If you EVER threaten our kids again...”


PUT UP A FENCE between your driveway and his property---not chain-link but SOLID WOOD and as high as permits in your area will allow it to go (so as to block his security camera filming your house, which is an invasion of your Privacy anyway.)

PUT UP YOUR OWN security cameras watching that area (the fence / border with his property).

Tell grandkids and all visitors NEVER to walk on / across his property for ANY reason.

And yes, I'll be praying---

but you NEED to protect yourself as well, and these are the best ways I can see of doing so.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
I'm going to go in the opposite direction with this suggestion.

Why not ask him why the change in attitude? You guys started out friendly and then he did an abrupt 180. Something set him off, and since you don't know what it is, it's probably some mistaken idea he has about you. Maybe someone reported him to the HOA and he thinks it's you. Maybe a short, friendly conversation can straighten it all out. And if it doesn't, then you know for sure where you stand and can go from there (I like the idea of tall hedges/bushes along the property line if it turns out its not some miscommunication and the guy is just impossible).

Good luck and I will add my prayers for the situation.

HD


good idea.
 
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