CORONA Pending.....Darwinism in action with COVID-19 PLUS

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Now we have an even more virulent form of WuFlu out of Europe with projected serious lifelong medical issues. So far there are now what? 19-20 Plus variations on this theme. People are getting tired of the restrictions, abandoning caution, defying medical advice.....and now we have a possible super variant of this crud showing up....great.

Sooooo, here's my thoughts on this. Considering all the above and aforementioned facts and conversations we're about to see Darwinism in full on action in the worst way. If this new variant is as bad as speculated and with folks refusing to protect themselves and others this puppy is GOING TO EXPLODE IN OUR FACES!!

Remember that the Black Death in the 14th Century started off as Bubonic Plague which was deadly enough coming from the bite of an infected flea, and then it mutated into Pneumonia Plague and became AIRBORNE!! We're already dealing with a strange and deadly disease in the original Covid-19......if this is turning into something even more infective and deadly we are only in the first innings of this pandemic.

People.....we had better standby to stand by, and make sure we've got all or ducks (preps) in a row and keep our heads on a swivel. This could suddenly astronomically explode in our faces. Now, add in all the racial unrest, economic issues, political B.S., an international garbage: China, N. Korea, Iran, earthquakes, radiation leaks, etc., etc., etc., etc. This could be a very, very long hot summer.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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The original covid19 was supposed to have hypothetical life long health consequences. Sorry. Can't get too worked up about the latest mutation. Call me when zombies are crawling up out of the cemetery ... or in the case of Louisiana out of the crypts.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Doug? Is that you?

No, not hardly. Just linking the dots and being a student of History, which seems to continually repeat itself because we simply don't give History any credence or reverence. Hence it keeps biting us in the arse.

Don't have a crystal ball either. Just looking around and going W - T - F - O?

P.S. WalknTrot: Link right here on Tb2K Covid Round #2 - D614G mutation
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
Now we have an even more virulent form of WuFlu out of Europe with projected serious lifelong medical issues. So far there are now what? 19-20 Plus variations on this theme. People are getting tired of the restrictions, abandoning caution, defying medical advice.....and now we have a possible super variant of this crud showing up....great.

Sooooo, here's my thoughts on this. Considering all the above and aforementioned facts and conversations we're about to see Darwinism in full on action in the worst way. If this new variant is as bad as speculated and with folks refusing to protect themselves and others this puppy is GOING TO EXPLODE IN OUR FACES!!

Remember that the Black Death in the 14th Century started off as Bubonic Plague which was deadly enough coming from the bite of an infected flea, and then it mutated into Pneumonia Plague and became AIRBORNE!! We're already dealing with a strange and deadly disease in the original Covid-19......if this is turning into something even more infective and deadly we are only in the first innings of this pandemic.

People.....we had better standby to stand by, and make sure we've got all or ducks (preps) in a row and keep our heads on a swivel. This could suddenly astronomically explode in our faces. Now, add in all the racial unrest, economic issues, political B.S., an international garbage: China, N. Korea, Iran, earthquakes, radiation leaks, etc., etc., etc., etc. This could be a very, very long hot summer.
So any people are falling for the "sniffles" bullshit. This thing is not over by a long shot. Who knows what will happen in the fall. The virus decides -- not the president or anybody else. You can't "will it away." You can't say it's all over and gone when 26 states have the highest totals ever in a day. It's likely to explode in your face. Texas followed the sniffles rule. What did they get from that? 97% ICU capacity and climbing. I have a gut feeling that this is not going to end well. Just a gut feeling.... If this new D614G thing is for real it will only be a matter of time before the world is brought to its knees.
 

Capt. Eddie

Veteran Member
Remember that the Black Death in the 14th Century started off as Bubonic Plague which was deadly enough coming from the bite of an infected flea, and then it mutated into Pneumonia Plague and became AIRBORNE!!
Not to nit pick ShadowMan, but all three types of plague (pneumonic, septicemic, and bubonic) are caused by the same bacteria, Yersinia pestis. They are just infections of different parts of the body, (lungs-pneumonic , lymph nodes-bubonic, and circulatory system-septicemic).
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
That vid is by Chris Martenson (sic) who happens to be the best we can get as far as documentation.

Honest.

It's worth the time to lisen ot him, His day job is an investment guru, but he got there the hard way, through a PhD in Microbiology or one of them allied ridiculously tough hard sciences. And no, I would NOT have been able to get through that PFhud program.

I'm reasonably sharp and can do a LOT of academics if I apply myself (and yes, I hide it well) but his path makes me do a Garth and Wayne Bow: "I ain't worthy!!"


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(Last time I had it checked I ran in the 120 to 135 range And RELIC happens to be the brains in the family, if her MENSA invite was to be considered. Like I said, I hide it reasonably well. [it actually takes some work] I'm really most comfy in jeans n boots and a chambray work shirt)
 
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jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Most people that get sick and die, from what I understand, have underlying health issues, such as diabetes, overweight, high blood pressure, or are already in nursing homes with one foot in the grave to start with. Half of Americans are using Either illegal drugs or pharmaceuticals to treat symptoms, rarely the actual cause of their disease(s). From what I observe in public spaces, most americans are overweight, a hefty percentage of them obese-ly so, and nearly all of them don’t get enough fresh air, exercise, sunshine, clean (non-city) water, drink too much alcohol, eat too much of store-bought food Laced with preservatives and who knows what else from the pesticides and Monsanto-ized and gmo- d, fruited and grained orchards and truck gardens of the nation. the nation is sick to begin with, ripe for the picking so to speak. Oh, I forgot to mention the addiction to screens and the sitting down all evening or even all day watching beautiful actors so people can live their lives vicariously, instead of suffering through their insipidly boring urban and suburban ”lives”, chasing money, fame, and “thrills”.

and the survivors way out in the rurals will likely not miss the Urban and suburban types when they “cash out”..
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Now we have an even more virulent form of WuFlu out of Europe with projected serious lifelong medical issues. So far there are now what? 19-20 Plus variations on this theme. People are getting tired of the restrictions, abandoning caution, defying medical advice.....and now we have a possible super variant of this crud showing up....great.

Sooooo, here's my thoughts on this. Considering all the above and aforementioned facts and conversations we're about to see Darwinism in full on action in the worst way. If this new variant is as bad as speculated and with folks refusing to protect themselves and others this puppy is GOING TO EXPLODE IN OUR FACES!!

Remember that the Black Death in the 14th Century started off as Bubonic Plague which was deadly enough coming from the bite of an infected flea, and then it mutated into Pneumonia Plague and became AIRBORNE!! We're already dealing with a strange and deadly disease in the original Covid-19......if this is turning into something even more infective and deadly we are only in the first innings of this pandemic.

People.....we had better standby to stand by, and make sure we've got all or ducks (preps) in a row and keep our heads on a swivel. This could suddenly astronomically explode in our faces. Now, add in all the racial unrest, economic issues, political B.S., an international garbage: China, N. Korea, Iran, earthquakes, radiation leaks, etc., etc., etc., etc. This could be a very, very long hot summer.

ShadowMan, your are correct in all respects. I wish that more people would heed the signs of what is coming our way... Shout it from the highest rooftops, and people can't wrap their heads around the fact that many, many more people will die, and even more will be severly debilitated... The mental accumen of this "ruling" generation, Boomers and their immediate follow-ons, shows that they are bereft of ability and cognitive capacity to deal with the oncoming crisis and chaos. To put it simply, humankind has royally buggered itself.

To expect the science and technology that got us into this mess, to extricate us from near certain doom, is lunacy. This disease is real. It is one of the oldest forms of warfare extant. Simple, cost effective, and yielding stunning results, it also has an unforgiving side effect- it is uncontrollable, and it is not fully understood. It was unleashed upon an unsuspecting world- without vaccine. There was no cure, no way to combat it. It is wildfire on a virgin field. EVERYONE is in danger. EVERYONE.

I suggest people make peace with their God, their families, their friends, and do what they can to survive. This disease is truly EVIL, for like it's attibute, EVIL, it is an equal opportunity killer, destroyer of all it will encounter- if not this wave, the certainly others yet to come... Take no one, and nothing, for granted. Don't believe the MSM, governments, or businesses that exist solely for profit and control...

Perhaps your faith, religion, or even, dare I say it, magic, can change the outcome of this cosmically inspired tragedy. Only EVIL laughs at the carnage and grief that will soon engulf the world.

Magic? Yes, why not? Has anything else worked in stopping this debacle of Communist inspired genocide?

Jason Miller altered Alestair Crowley's definition of magic to the following:

"Magick is the Science and Art of influencing change."

Politicians, crooks, sales people, leaders of all types- all exert pressure on people, places, things, and events. We don't give it the name "magic, " but allude to it as being persuasive and/or commanding a response. That kind of cause and effect is the human aspect of influence.

Prayer is another form of influencing change. Calling upon one's Deity, in the act of intercession, is also a form of cause and effect. The act may be invisible to the human eye, but the results can be sensed- seen, heard, felt, smelt, or tasted, resulting in a physical change.

There is another result that can, and does occur. It is that inward "knowing," that awareness of impending events, without sensory input, that warns us of what is to come.

Many here on this forum are cognizant of forces beyond our ken. Enough has been happening around the world, in our nation, states, cities, and homes, for our very beings to be like biological tuing forks. We are ill at ease, uncomfortable with our situation, perhaps not able or willing to verbalize what affects us.

What approaches everyone living on this planet, is destiny- our futures, and our desperate need to react correctly, properly, to ensure the safety of one's self and loved ones... It is in how we're not able to address what is coming, that so shakes us to our very core.

I urge prayer, and contemplation. Look for solutions to whatever you can do, to contribute to your, and your family's survival. If enough people do this, the survival rate will go up. It's all up to you, and those about you.

Be at peace, and work from a position of resolve and calm.

I wish you all well...

OA
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Most people that get sick and die, from what I understand, have underlying health issues, such as diabetes, overweight, high blood pressure, or are already in nursing homes with one foot in the grave to start with. Half of Americans are using Either illegal drugs or pharmaceuticals to treat symptoms, rarely the actual cause of their disease(s). From what I observe in public spaces, most americans are overweight, a hefty percentage of them obese-ly so, and nearly all of them don’t get enough fresh air, exercise, sunshine, clean (non-city) water, drink too much alcohol, eat too much of store-bought food Laced with preservatives and who knows what else from the pesticides and Monsanto-ized and gmo- d, fruited and grained orchards and truck gardens of the nation. the nation is sick to begin with, ripe for the picking so to speak. Oh, I forgot to mention the addiction to screens and the sitting down all evening or even all day watching beautiful actors so people can live their lives vicariously, instead of suffering through their insipidly boring urban and suburban ”lives”, chasing money, fame, and “thrills”.

and the survivors way out in the rurals will likely not miss the Urban and suburban types when they “cash out”..
so, this could be a plan to make health insurance more affordable by killing off all the sick
makes sense
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
All I see is a video from some guy which I'm not going to watch. Not very valid documentation. Any articles from reliable sources?

so you didnt watch the video or do any research on what he presents in the video but decided its not very valid documentation. interesting.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I figured out back in February that what this virus does is cull the herd. I said bsck then, in my Feburary esssy at Wordpress that Corona Chan eas meant to do is kill off the old, over 60, with assorted health issues, high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, etc etc and this is what it has done. Tonight on the ABC nees they admitted that 40% of ALL CORONA CHAN KILLS WERE IN GROUP LIVING SENIOR CENTERS.
The virus has 15000 nursing homes to get to, and 1.5 MILLION PATIENTS TO KILL HERE IN CONUS ALONE. BRAZIL will collapse into anarchy also. It is not over. It has not really begun. I view Corona Chan as a cluster. How many will die from the virus, and how many from delayed other medical treatments? How many will starve to death in Africa when we can't ship in grain to feed them, and the list goes on.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just want the shortness of breath and exhaustion to go away. I was healthy and active. Was...

Those who keep looking at the immediate death rate and dismissing this monster are morons. 25% get some sort of permanent damage. 10% have never ending rotating symptoms. We don't know if they take 6 months to resolve , or its a life sentence.

Imagine if 10% of the most active people are suddenly unable to work and need to be on disability. What's going to happen to the economy then?

Now they are finding that people can get it again and immunity fades fast. All the people who now think they are immune will be in for a rude awakening this winter. Add a second round to a covid damaged body, and what is the survival rate!
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
All secret service agents who were in Tulsa for the President's Rally are now in quarantine.

California, Texas and Florida set all time records for those who tested positive for Covid.
Florida came up with over 5,500 new positive cases yesterday. Back in February it was running about 1500 cases a day.
Disney has postponed their planned opening in July.'
Universal has decided to permanently let go a good portion of their people. Previously they were laid off with the company planning to bring them back.
Several establishments in Orlando, and a pub outside the University of Central Florida were closed as dozens of staff and customers at each location ended up testing positive for Covid. Two Florida 17 year olds died of Covid in the last week or so .
Teens through 49 year olds are the fastest growing group of those being infected. Virus cases surge among the young, endangering older adults




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Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
There is too much conflicting information and too little real data that I have access to, anyway.

I'm a student of history, so I'm planning for another major outbreak this fall (or sooner), just like the Spanish flu.

In the meantime, I'm laying in supplies, enough to last until next summer, as well as getting more books (fiction) and hobby supplies. If I'm wrong, it's all stuff I'll use, just getting it a lot earlier. I'm also trying to avoid crowds, and I'm not eating in restaurants.

My two hard choices: do I get new glasses and a teeth cleaning? I was going to wait two more weeks and see if cases drop off. I may skip the cleaning and just get the glasses. That's hard because I need to be able to see well.

If a lot of this is hype, I'm not going to feel badly that I took precautions. There's so much that we really don't know. At the same time, there are certainly a lot of bullies who are taking advantage of this situation.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Just talked to my good friend that was hospitalized back in the later part of April and intubated and on dialysis for over six weeks. He's getting out of the rehab facility in the next couple of days. None-smoker, none-drinker, physically active, etc., etc., etc.! He's lost over fifty pounds, all strength and his kidney functions were down to 5%. This bug IS NOT A JOKE!! It's mutating and getting stronger. It's going to be with us for a long, long, long. Think the COMMON COLD!! Influenza and so on. This is no joke and if you think it is a joke then the joke will be on you.

I don't know if this virus was natural or human manipulated. I personally feel that it is a man altered and enhanced disease and I personally think the person or persons that created this should be HUNG, DISEMBOWELED, DRAW AND QUARTERED in a public sitting and their remains sent to garbage dumps in the four corners of the world. YES....I really do believe that anyone that ordered, is responsible and involved should receive the most horrible demise one can imagine.

WE SHOULD NOT PLAY IN THIS ARENA!! EVER!!
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I personally feel that it is a man altered and enhanced disease and I personally think the person or persons that created this should be HUNG, DISEMBOWELED, DRAW AND QUARTERED in a public sitting and their remains sent to garbage dumps in the four corners of the world.

Agreed. Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to happen. These actors are hiding in the deepest hole of the Deep State.
 

jazzy

Advocate Discernment
i agree with shadowman and others as to how this can turn out. this mutated strain is just going to be one, we havent even gotten thru the summer yet. what possible mutations can we be facing this fall / winter because it is not fading away as hoped for.

martinson is one of the best for good hard data. no political BS. just info so people can make up their own minds. i like how every time a new report or study comes out, he goes over it with a fine tooth comb. when it is good science he shows you, when it is a scam with bad data or skewed numbers, and he is not boring, i promise. he shows you things so you can pull up the report yourself and understand what is going on. he has helped expose bad reports that were scams trying to make it look like this is not such a bad virus.

knowledge is power folks.

some might not like him because he strongly supports Everyone wear a mask and starve the virus. if there are no new hosts for the virus to spread to, it will fade. well, mostly, because the damn virus had a history of never really going away when 'recovered'. 3-4- months later it shows back up kicking your ass again and being spread around again. this is a nasty bugger. read survivors testimonies. you dont want to get this

and remember, this things been around since sept-oct then burst out---it is Still New. we have to keep that in mind. it is a proven bio weapon and there are still things they are finding out about it, all bad.

now more and more it is changing and hitting the young and healthy kicking their ass and damaging them for the rest of their lives. we have to pay attention to that change.

im not trying to insult anyone or start a fight and im not trying to be a PIA. we each make our choices but there is no sign anywhere that this thing is going away but the opposite. wearing a mask to protect yourself, a Good one, is just common sense

maybe raven is correct and SHTF . im leaning towards housecarls its '1917 to 1921 all over again....' but on steroids.

or im totally wrong on all fronts and i will wake up to unicorns dancing on rainbows farting skittles. or the other way around who knows these days.

its just smart to study the enemy and prepare.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
The media's efforts to stir up fear, uncertainty and dread are working as planned.
Gotta have mail-in voting for maximum cheating by the dems!
I plan to absentee vote this year.
It was good enough for the President and Vice President in 2018.
Melania sent her vote by mail but forgot to sign the envelope.
Ivanka mailed hers in late.
The Press Secretary voted by mail here in Florida 11 times in the last 10 years.
Am I going to stand in a packed line for a couple of hours with a bunch of infected people? No I am not. I've already requested an absentee ballot. I won't mail it. I'll bring it directly to a polling station and drop it in the ballot collection box at the polling location, which is a church 2 blocks away.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
some might not like him because he strongly supports Everyone wear a mask and starve the virus. if there are no new hosts for the virus to spread to, it will fade. well, mostly, because the damn virus had a history of never really going away when 'recovered'. 3-4- months later it shows back up kicking your ass again and being spread around again. this is a nasty bugger. read survivors testimonies. you dont want to get this

Isn't this a false allegory? How many "survivors' testimonies" would actually read "I had it? I didn't even know. I didn't feel any different than I usually do; are you sure I had it?"
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
so you didnt watch the video or do any research on what he presents in the video but decided its not very valid documentation. interesting.

A "guy on the innernet" is not a valid source. How about a research center or research hospital? ..Mayo? Johns Hopkins? Or a Public Health entity - foreign or domestic? Published journal article or documented synopsis by a legit source...news or field?

Until then, I have a bridge for sale over some swampland in Florida....

The OP and the guy in the innernet are the ones making a claim. It's on them to do the homework, not me, not the reader. Like I always told students...unless you document, it's just another fairy tale.
 
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Melodi

Disaster Cat
Not to nit pick ShadowMan, but all three types of plague (pneumonic, septicemic, and bubonic) are caused by the same bacteria, Yersinia pestis. They are just infections of different parts of the body, (lungs-pneumonic , lymph nodes-bubonic, and circulatory system-septicemic).
Except the pneumonic version does go airborne and very recent examinations of Plague pits from the 14th century showed a very high death rate related to the pneumonic version.

There is also some small evidence (but it is very early days) from the Bronze Age Settlements in Sweden, where it may also have played a role.

We also now know (and this is very recent scientific understanding) that Yersinia Pestis was not new disease, it had, in fact, killed people en mass going back at least to the Scandanavian Bronze Age if not before - it does seem to have started as a relatively mild stomach bacteria that morphed, but once it morphed, boy, did it morph.

For various reasons in the Ancient World, it seems to have taken hundreds of years between "visits" (6th-century jump to the 14th) but after that, it just kept coming back in waves until the invention of antibiotics and it still "tries" to comeback every century or so.

Now how to relates to the current situation is this:

Viruses and Bateria disease BOTH MORPH, they CHANGE; they can become less lethal which seems to have happened with a couple of strains of COVID-19, but they can also suddenly become MORE DEADLY and that is some of what we are hearing about at least one highly infectious new strain.

The good news is that human bodies have lived with various forms of Corona Viruses probably since before we were modern people, but the bad news is that THIS ONE is getting past the bodies defenses in new and "interesting ways" (interesting enough I'm perfectly willing to believe the escaped from the lab theory).

The real answer is, pretty much what Torah Tips said: we don't know yet what this thing is going to do.

What won't matter much is if we are "tired of this" or not, or "can the economy take this or not?" the disease simply doesn't care.

If the less-lethal strain takes control of the narrative than this bug will probably become like the seasonal flu, back every year or three, and killing some folks every year but mostly manageable. If the more lethal strain takes over, well we may not have to worry about shutting the economy down again because it will simply shut anyway.

Unless they have worked overseas (or studied epidemiology), there is probably NO ONE in the USA who has a clue just HOW BAD things can really get in a full scale, people dying in the streets with bodies piling up, children starve to death when their parents die on them, type of epidemic.

The US hasn't had one since 1918, even Polio was bad enough to terrify people into locking down at home but it wasn't as bad as 1918.
 

dvo

Veteran Member
The health care system that my doctors belong to seems to believe that a worse strain of Covid is on the way. Time will tell...but didn’t we just three months ago go through the “everyone is going to die panic”? I’m not jumping into a new panic just yet. Besides...the social violence we are seeing, and may continue to see poses a more immediate threat in my mind.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
Incubation is 14 days . . .
riots started May 26 . . .
it has been 30 days . . .
rioters, looters, CHOP . . . a lot of people ought to be dropping dead in 3, 2, 1 . .
where are all the dead rioters???
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The health care system that my doctors belong to seems to believe that a worse strain of Covid is on the way. Time will tell...but didn’t we just three months ago go through the “everyone is going to die panic”? I’m not jumping into a new panic just yet. Besides...the social violence we are seeing, and may continue to see poses a more immediate threat in my mind.

One "immediate threat," being figuratively put aside in favor of another, does not reduce overall threat or danger. In fact, it compounds it. It stretches your resources, distracts you from your single focus to two or more focii, and weakens your logistics and manpower capabilities. Meanwhile, the serious social difficulties act as a vector for spreading the disease even more widely, in greater concentrations.

dvo, there are no easy solutions to what is happening now, and most certainly, there will be none for the foreseeable future. What lies ahead, at bare minimum, will be catastrophic cascade failures all across the realm of human endeavor. What is happening now, has happened before to other civilizations. Man has not yet grown-up, nor matured- in the main. IF we're not cosmically lucky, look forward to a New Dark Ages...

IF humankind were together concentrate all efforts and resources to solving or obviating the problems we face, I could be more sanguine. However, looking at current trends, it is like watching a giant oil tanker slowly reversing course at sea. If delivery of cargo is time sensitive, and anything doesn't mee the norm, the owners are hosed.

I guess in light of "bad" scenarios, we either work together, or we die together. Everyone has that sword hanging over their heads...

Choose this day- hard, very hard work and labour, or take the easy way out, and die...

Have a nice day...

OldArcher
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Incubation is 14 days . . .
riots started May 26 . . .
it has been 30 days . . .
rioters, looters, CHOP . . . a lot of people ought to be dropping dead in 3, 2, 1 . .
where are all the dead rioters???

I don't KNOW! Where ARE all the dead rioters?? Surely they must be hiding out in their hidey-holes; the ultra-efficient and always-effective Deep State must have rounded them all up and burnt the corpses so as never to be found again!
 

raven

TB Fanatic
is it "we are all in this together"
or is it "you are in isolation, lock down, socially distanced
Which is it?

are you isolated, wearing a mask, not hugging, not having sex because:
a) you want to protect other people from your germs
b) you want to protect yourself from other peoples germs

you can be as altruistic as you want, but you really need to consider that
other people really and truly do not give a shit if they give you their germs
(and the government is full of other people)
based on the edicts coming from the government to wear any old silly mask, the entire government does not care about the spread of the virus
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Incubation is 14 days . . .
riots started May 26 . . .
it has been 30 days . . .
rioters, looters, CHOP . . . a lot of people ought to be dropping dead in 3, 2, 1 . .
where are all the dead rioters???

Rioters tend to be young, healthy and active. With respect to WuFlu, they are not an at-risk population.
 
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