CORONA Covid Round #2 - D614G mutation - resistant to handwashing and distancing

[jazzy]

this is an update from dr chris martinson of what covid is doing. its not going away because we want it to. new mutation that is stronger and spread more easily and the life long lasting health problems for anyone who gets it. 'recovered' isnt all that 'recovered.
he gives very good info. run time about 48:47. get some coffee, sit back and listen, it is worth it.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-rk5VUcLo

 

[Silverfox]

Be wise as you can and don't get it. By the grace of God.

 

[Tristan]

Be wise as you can and don't get it. By the grace of God.

Seems to be the best course of action...

 

[JF&P]

The video is a real eye opener.....good grief!!!

 

[dvo]

My health care people mentioned a stronger strain that is on its way here. They don’t see themselves being able to ditch their daily mask routine for a long time.

 

[marymonde]

We will see what happens with all the protesting going on. I honestly don’t know what to believe anymore. Initially I thought 2 million people were going to be dead in this country within a couple months in March. From what I read the virus is much less virulent now, and it’s mostly spreading through the younger people who are asymptomatic, creating herd immunity. In Florida everyone that put off elective surgery is being admitted, whereupon they are tested for CO19. Those who test positive are being quarantined in the hospital until they test negative. It’s filling up the CO19 beds fast. Almost all are asymptomatic cases and display no symptoms. This is from a report I copied off of Twitter:


“While Maricopa County (Phoenix) COVID have increased a lot the past two weeks, the % hospitalized, in ICU, and deaths have decreased by about the same amount. Cases are becoming younger and more asymptomatic. Virus is more transmissive but causing less severe sickness.”

 

[sssarawolf]

Weird, because others around the world say it is getting weaker through mutation.

 

[Meemur]

I don't know what to believe anymore.

 

[Kathy in FL]

I think a lot of people are jumping the shark trying to keep their narrative - whichever one that might be - open and active.

The final takeaway remains clear:
1- Vaccine unlikely anytime soon, likely not ever due to mutations
2 - People that are medically fragile need to take care of their own bunker instead of expecting others to build it for them.
3 - Herd immunity is the only way Covid19 will ever be mitigated.
4 - Most cases of covid19 are asymptomatic so see #2

 

[Publius]

I'm thinking this is a lab made creation and they released it to make more money on vaccines.

 

[byronandkathy2003]

this sounds like a democrat talking to me..

 

[Zahra]

I'm thinking this is a lab made creation and they released it to make more money on vaccines.

Who knows... I hope we learn the truth someday but I'm not counting on that.

Personally, I also believe that it was created in a lab in Wuhan, but I believe the CCP intentionally promoted it's spread through allowing Chinese to travel around the world in order to weaken the opposition so the CCP can ascend to become the dominant power that they strive to be.

First the virus devastates the economy of western powers, especially the USA, and then communist insurgencies break out in the streets .... coincidence?

 

[Macgyver]

I'm thinking this is a lab made creation and they released it to make more money on vaccines.

No, they would have had the vaccine already.
The amount of time that has passed and will pass is giving to many different people a chance to develop it.
If the AH HA moment ever hits there could be multiple products on the market.
Pharma companies aren't going to want only a piece of the pie.

 

[marymonde]

I think a lot of people are jumping the shark trying to keep their narrative - whichever one that might be - open and active.

The final takeaway remains clear:
1- Vaccine unlikely anytime soon, likely not ever due to mutations
2 - People that are medically fragile need to take care of their own bunker instead of expecting others to build it for them.
3 - Herd immunity is the only way Covid19 will ever be mitigated.
4 - Most cases of covid19 are asymptomatic so see #2

Kathy that was an excellent, accurate, pithy analysis.

 

[heelgeneral]

So this is a NEW strain, that results in LIFE-long health problems? How would anyone know this?

BTW, I haven't watched the vid yet. I plan to.

 

[jazzy]

there is still alot of disinfo going around, we were lied to in the beginning by fauci who pushed ;civilians dont need masks to protect them' and millions will die in months and we need a vaccine. the virus was used as a political weapon to try to hurt trump, he got conned into believing closing down was critical when that wasnt the answer. then we got half reports and disinfo reports and even simple opinion pieces touted as scientific study by those playing politics too.

thats why i dont pay attention to 'reports' touted to the public any more or their figures. i want to see the DATA, i want to see Who wrote the report, who they work for and who pays them. these days those are iumportant to look at too because So Many People Lie..


ive found martinson to be one the best in not only providing accurate info with evidence and not opinion but he presents the reports and studies that are waved in front of our faces by the press with their claims and he explains then, shows where and why they are not accurate and where we are being lied to.

the interesting thing about herd immunity people are waiting for so badly its not reliable with this thing. and plenty of medical researcher Know this. there is no evidence of permanent antibodies and antibodies for one strain does not necessarily protect from another.

this virus is very tricky and there is a heck of a lot of little details in the big picture from permanent physical damage to organs, central nervbous system and lungs to more mutations that are nastier. and no one really 'recovers' from this, it stays in your body and can pop out later or continue to do more internal damage.

even people- young and older - who are asymptomatic or mild case thinking its no bid deal til they start dealing with the internal damage it has done to kidneys, heart, lungs, etc. they are finding out that more and more 'recovered' cases have alot of other health problems from the damage done.

it is not just a flu

like silverfox said, be wise and dont get it by the grace of God.

i am convinced if everyone wore a masks for a good 30 days we could slow/stop the spread and end this a lot sooner.

get your extra masks before Round #2 hits and they are all gone again. it is a fact that the nations who required masks did not suffer the physical, economical and medical problems the rest of the world experienced. Good masks work.

 

[Silverfox]

If the information is correct, it explains why the ChiComms reacted to the outbreak with such a draconian response. Remember, and it now seems to be coming out, this started in China more likely last September. Which is to say, the mutation hit likely, about January of this year for them. We could soon see here, the mortality rates they experienced then.

Meanwhile, people here are spreading it like crazy. Off to the video.

 

[Hfcomms]

this sounds like a democrat talking to me..

He is completely apolitical. He doesn’t care about politics, he cares about science and truth backed by hard data and research. He is one of the best sources available because he strips everything else out of it. He has eviscerated the WHO, Fauchi and others for straying from the science model and as having a PhD in Pathology he is able to track and source things many of us can’t. You don’t have to look to hard to find an ‘expert’ to tell you what you want to hear. He just tells you the way it is with the extraneous B.S. taken out of it.

 

[jazzy]

its good to watch martinsons videos going back a few weeks, he now does 2 updates a week, they are all excellent and help get rid of the disinfo. please check oiuyt his other videos on corona virus, they are Very Good. no politics, just facts with data so you can really understand what this virus is what it does in the body and how to help protect yourself.

there are several strains, this one is a strong one from europe thats been around and growing, it is much more contagious and dose more damage to the body.

 

[Dozdoats]

Martenson has a good sized dose of pie in the sky intellectual about him that I have to work at looking past sometimes. Boy should have spent more time with his hands dirty growing up, as near as I can tell. Too much Ivory Tower and not enough barnyard.

His recent rant about the Fed being racist (and not just elitist) was about enough to get him turned off here. As if personal choices and responsibility have nothing to do with economic outcomes. After all, Tyrone don be buyin no stocks ....

 

[jazzy]

this sounds like a democrat talking to me..

since democrats use feelings, theory, opinion and intimidation and martinson uses only facts and data, i dont think so.

 

[jazzy]

Florida, California Report Record Spikes In COVID-19 Cases; NYC Cancels Marathon: Live Updates

Florida, California Report Record Spikes In COVID-19 Cases; NYC Cancels Marathon: Live Updates

Houston city officials claim ICU capacity is at 97%...

www.zerohedge.com

New York, New Jersey & Connecticut Orders Visitors To Quarantine For 2 Weeks

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

all this financial suffering, the stupid close downs, the layoffs and business closings could all be avoided if people wore masks in public. do you see the platform of damage the fauci & co started with their original 'dont wear masks', then their 'everyone wear masks' then ont really need masks then again to yeah, masks work and you should wear one. see the manipulation and distractions? the people who hate america and want us dead and gone so they can take over want you confused so you throw up your hands in disgust and say the hell with it and stop caring.

that is why it is critical to personally study what the virus is, what it does in your body, how much damage it can do for the rest of your life and how to be smart and proactive.

wearing a mask is smart and proactive.
there are some who say it is a badge of submission
it is a hoax
only stupid democrats wear masks
it violates my constitutional rights
only the paranoid wear masks
wearing a mask proves you are easily conned


that is all distraction from the fact that wearing masks against This virus has proven to reduce the spread and there is no need to lock down the nation destroying our economy and many lives.

go back to the earlier dr chris martinson covid videos, extremely helpful and worth your time.

 

[forpetesake]

I think a lot of people are jumping the shark trying to keep their narrative - whichever one that might be - open and active.

The final takeaway remains clear:
1- Vaccine unlikely anytime soon, likely not ever due to mutations
2 - People that are medically fragile need to take care of their own bunker instead of expecting others to build it for them.
3 - Herd immunity is the only way Covid19 will ever be mitigated.
4 - Most cases of covid19 are asymptomatic so see #2

Kathy, don't count on herd immunity.

 

[Tristan]

He is completely apolitical. He doesn’t care about politics, he cares about science and truth backed by hard data and research. He is one of the best sources available because he strips everything else out of it. He has eviscerated the WHO, Fauchi and others for straying from the science model and as having a PhD in Pathology he is able to track and source things many of us can’t. You don’t have to look to hard to find an ‘expert’ to tell you what you want to hear. He just tells you the way it is with the extraneous B.S. taken out of it.

Nailed it, HF.


Just because you don't like the message, doesn't mean the messenger is on the other side.

 

[naturallysweet]

All I know is that I used to be physically active as now I'm not. I'm still symptomatic, and have been since May 9th.

Apparently 25% of people get some sort of permanent damage and 10% get ever cycling symptoms which we don't know if they will ever end.

Anyone who still preaching asymptomatic and less than 1% death rate is an ignorant fool.

 

[Dozdoats]

Anyone who still preaching asymptomatic and less than 1% death rate is an ignorant fool.

There's a lot of that going around in the ZUSA today. Most likely, worse to come as well.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Kathy, don't count on herd immunity.

I'm not "counting" on anything. A coronavirus is one of the same virus that causes the common cold. There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus and one of the reasons is because of how it mutates. There are a lot of medically fragile people out there for whom a bad cold is a death sentence. I suspect the covid19 situation will eventually morph into the same scenario ... people can either accept that or not but I'm done being bound by ridiculous counter measures that only make things worse and will never make things better.

I reminded a walmart manager - in front of God and everyone - exactly what state, county, and city law is as far as masks go this morning. The little queer twerp wasn't going to let me in the building and I told her to back it up, that walmart was exempt from the law and if it was corporate regulations she was trying to enforce then she could expect a visit from the state health people because the way they are enforcing their "mask requirements" violates Florida's state rules on the subject. That she could either call security and have me escorted out which I would really like because then I could sue her personally as well as make a big stink on social media and in the news or she could get her butt out of my way and I would continue to abide by the 6' social distancing rule. And that if everyone else was wearing a mask, me not wearing one was not going to infect anyone. When I started in on the fact that 90% of the people in the store weren't wearing the masks correctly anyway ... including her .......

Apparently I made enough noise that someone called the real store manager and he said, "My apologies but you have to understand ..."

"Oh I understand all right. I suggest that you need to train your staff better on what the law actually says. Thank you for addressing this. Oh, and your store is a mess and it has nothing to do with covid19. Most of your buggies are in the parking lot and the women's bathroom is positively disgusting." Then I turned and left to pick up several five gallon fuel containers because everywhere else was out of that size and only had the 1 and 2.5 gallon size.

I wasn't rule, nasty, snarky, or anything but professional. I just despise when people try and take authority that isn't theirs to have.

 

[ChicagoMan74]

I don't know what to believe anymore.

Pretty much THIS.

 

[poppy]

He is completely apolitical. He doesn’t care about politics, he cares about science and truth backed by hard data and research. He is one of the best sources available because he strips everything else out of it. He has eviscerated the WHO, Fauchi and others for straying from the science model and as having a PhD in Pathology he is able to track and source things many of us can’t. You don’t have to look to hard to find an ‘expert’ to tell you what you want to hear. He just tells you the way it is with the extraneous B.S. taken out of it.

He may be apolitical but from the 3 or 4 things I have read of his he is a hard core doomer. I've seen no positive views from him. Everyone but him is wrong. Seems to have a messianic complex to me.

 

[Kathy in FL]

Florida, California Report Record Spikes In COVID-19 Cases; NYC Cancels Marathon: Live Updates

Florida, California Report Record Spikes In COVID-19 Cases; NYC Cancels Marathon: Live Updates

Houston city officials claim ICU capacity is at 97%...

www.zerohedge.com

New York, New Jersey & Connecticut Orders Visitors To Quarantine For 2 Weeks

Zerohedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

all this financial suffering, the stupid close downs, the layoffs and business closings could all be avoided if people wore masks in public. do you see the platform of damage the fauci & co started with their original 'dont wear masks', then their 'everyone wear masks' then ont really need masks then again to yeah, masks work and you should wear one. see the manipulation and distractions? the people who hate america and want us dead and gone so they can take over want you confused so you throw up your hands in disgust and say the hell with it and stop caring.

that is why it is critical to personally study what the virus is, what it does in your body, how much damage it can do for the rest of your life and how to be smart and proactive.

wearing a mask is smart and proactive.
there are some who say it is a badge of submission
it is a hoax
only stupid democrats wear masks
it violates my constitutional rights
only the paranoid wear masks
wearing a mask proves you are easily conned


that is all distraction from the fact that wearing masks against This virus has proven to reduce the spread and there is no need to lock down the nation destroying our economy and many lives.

go back to the earlier dr chris martinson covid videos, extremely helpful and worth your time.

No it would not work to wear masks in public because most infections seem to be occurring in the home due to cross contamination and surface contamination. This is being studied by some people I used to work with at USF and UF.

I've never said covid19 was a hoax. I am saying it is being used politically as a control measure. If you choose to wear a mask that is up to you but if masks are effective then your use of a mask should be sufficient to your protection. And if you are going to wear a mask then wear it properly at all times both away from home and in your home or you are your own worst enemy if you are that medically fragile. As I said cross contamination in the home is the bigger issue.

Whether you choose to acknowledge and/or accept this is up to you. But don't expect me ... who has not worn a mask since day one ... to allow you to force me to do squat. I've backed up managers in walmart and a few other places. Most people have the sense to know what the law in FL regarding masks really are but a few get educated or reeducated however the case may be.

 

[Kathy in FL]

The way masks are being used is actually making some people sick. N95 being used more than once. Medical masks, meant for sterile environments only, not being worn properly and not following the "single use and then dispose of properly" rule of usage. Cloth masks actually being a danger because of the potential for mold building up because they don't keep out micron-sized virus, not being washed and dried correctly daily, and mold and mildew growing in the fabric. And on and on.

People think it is counterintuitive but the fact remains that if you are that medically fragile then stay home and quarantine and sanitize that space. No one else can or will build your bunker for you.

Let me give you an example. In my parents' county here in Florida the state health people tested a group of 100 migrants in quarantine since before March. Of that 100 a little over 75% tested positive for the covid19 antibodies, 7 more needed further testing and the remainder did not test positive. They had all been wearing masks in quarantine (holding facility in the county). There had been no outside visitors barring a couple of lawyers and the state health people who were also wearing masks during their visits. There were no symptomatic infections at the facility or in staff since March. And yet, for all the mask wearing and even quarantining there were covid19 antibodies in 75% of the population.

Masks will not work. They might help those that are medically fragile but even then it is no guarantee.

 

[Kathy in FL]

there is still alot of disinfo going around, we were lied to in the beginning by fauci who pushed ;civilians dont need masks to protect them' and millions will die in months and we need a vaccine. the virus was used as a political weapon to try to hurt trump, he got conned into believing closing down was critical when that wasnt the answer. then we got half reports and disinfo reports and even simple opinion pieces touted as scientific study by those playing politics too.

thats why i dont pay attention to 'reports' touted to the public any more or their figures. i want to see the DATA, i want to see Who wrote the report, who they work for and who pays them. these days those are iumportant to look at too because So Many People Lie..


ive found martinson to be one the best in not only providing accurate info with evidence and not opinion but he presents the reports and studies that are waved in front of our faces by the press with their claims and he explains then, shows where and why they are not accurate and where we are being lied to.

the interesting thing about herd immunity people are waiting for so badly its not reliable with this thing. and plenty of medical researcher Know this. there is no evidence of permanent antibodies and antibodies for one strain does not necessarily protect from another.

this virus is very tricky and there is a heck of a lot of little details in the big picture from permanent physical damage to organs, central nervbous system and lungs to more mutations that are nastier. and no one really 'recovers' from this, it stays in your body and can pop out later or continue to do more internal damage.

even people- young and older - who are asymptomatic or mild case thinking its no bid deal til they start dealing with the internal damage it has done to kidneys, heart, lungs, etc. they are finding out that more and more 'recovered' cases have alot of other health problems from the damage done.

it is not just a flu

like silverfox said, be wise and dont get it by the grace of God.

i am convinced if everyone wore a masks for a good 30 days we could slow/stop the spread and end this a lot sooner.

get your extra masks before Round #2 hits and they are all gone again. it is a fact that the nations who required masks did not suffer the physical, economical and medical problems the rest of the world experienced. Good masks work.

My daughter's boyfriend's sister (try saying that three times fast) was diagnosed with covid 19. She's 19 and the only symptom she had was three hours of a temp of 99F and no smell for a week. Less than a week after she was tested she was cleared by a second test. Her father who she lives with and was in close proximity has been tested three times and has been cleared all three times. He is a physical therapist so the quarantine and testing was mandated by the hospital he works at. Because of father's job she wore a mask so he wouldn't be quarantined and out of work. She stayed home most of the time with limited contacts when she wasn't home and masked. No clue where she got it. No known contacts have been symptomatic.

Take away? Lotta bull crap out there being disseminated as fact. Especially about the mask protecting you if you wear them out in public.

 

[pinkelsteinsmom]

Most of the country has been locked away and masked for 90 dyas. How in the hell does it start spreading again when they leave their cages? I swear they are spraying us with it randomly. I know of no one that has had this.

 

[mzkitty]

 

[kittyluvr]

Regarding the increase in cases, more testing = more cases because previous asymptomatic cases are now being caught by the increased testing.

Viruses mutate all the time and it is hard to predict the outcome. With all the disinformation around, who knows what the truth is.

 

[coalcracker]

Call me paranoid, or call me paranoidcracker (that sounds racist, no?)....

but today when I saw the newly shipped cotton masks, the ones in the heavy plastic pouches, the ones with the red inspection stamp with PASS written in English, the ones made in China and now available in Target and Wal Mart, the ones that cost only $4 for a pair, the ones that come in your choice of color....

My paranoidcracker mind pondered the possibility of a devious Trojan horse attack. Oh, the irony! The mask meant to save us from the virus could instead bring us a special infused ingredient, one made in China....

 

[marymonde]

All I know is that I used to be physically active as now I'm not. I'm still symptomatic, and have been since May 9th.

Apparently 25% of people get some sort of permanent damage and 10% get ever cycling symptoms which we don't know if they will ever end.

Anyone who still preaching asymptomatic and less than 1% death rate is an ignorant fool.

About three years and a half years ago I had an unknown virus. I was sick on and off for about 4 months with fever, cough, etc. No pneumonia. I was absolutely worn out after that for at least for 2 months. I mean I was spent, totally exhausted. I made myself walk, ride my bike. I took copious amounts of Vitamin C and D. I made sure I sweated. Sweat is your friend. Make your bathroom into a sauna and sweat the virus out. It took 6 months and I finally recovered. You have to work to get better. It’s no fun. I thought I was going to feel like $#iT forever, but thank the Lord,He gave me an immune system and a variety of natural resources to regain my health.

 

[IceWave]

Bumping this thread since there's a NY Post article that was posted today talking about this again. Looks like "they" need to build some fear again.

This COVID-19 mutation may be more contagious: study

Scientists in a paper published Wednesday identified a new strain of the virus, which accounted for 99.9 percent of cases during the second wave in the Houston, Texas area.

nypost.com

COVID-19 mutation may be evolving to bypass mask-wearing, hand-washing
By Jackie Salo
September 24, 2020 | 2:23pm
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A new COVID-19 mutation appears to be even more contagious, according to a study — and experts say it could be a response by the virus to defeat masks and other social-distancing efforts.

Scientists in a paper published Wednesday identified a new strain of the virus, which accounted for 99.9 percent of cases during the second wave in the Houston, Texas, area, the Washington Post reported.

The paper, which has not been peer-reviewed, said people with the strain, known as the D614G mutation, had higher loads of virus — suggesting it is more contagious.

Though the strain isn’t more deadly, researchers said it appeared to have adapted better to spread among humans.
David Morens, a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said the findings suggest that the virus may become more contagious and that this “may have implications for our ability to control it.”

He said it’s possible that the virus had evolved to resist efforts such as hand-washing and social distancing.

“Wearing masks, washing our hands, all those things are barriers to transmissibility, or contagion, but as the virus becomes more contagious, it statistically is better at getting around those barriers,” Morens told the newspaper.

 

[naegling62]

We've been living with D614G for some time now, why are they bringing this up now?

 

[Bps1691]

Kathy, don't count on herd immunity.

In the long run it is the only thing that will really work. No one has every successfully created a vaccine for a coronavirus and odds are this time is no different

… besides, the Chinese created it in the first place as a bio-weapon and probably have the next phase, more infectious batch ready to go later this fall

Scientists fear the hunt for a coronavirus vaccine will fail and we will all have to live with the 'constant threat' of COVID-19

• Some scientists fear that an effective coronavirus vaccine may prove impossible to produce.
• The UK's Chief Medical Officer warned on Friday that there is "concerning" evidence suggesting that people can be reinfected with the virus.
• He said evidence from other forms of coronavirus also suggests that immunity quickly wanes.
• No vaccine has ever been approved for use against previous forms of coronavirus.
• David Nabarro, professor of global health at Imperial College, said the world may have to learn to live with the "constant threat" of COVID-19.

Scientists fear the hunt for a coronavirus vaccine will fail and we will all have to live with the 'constant threat' of COVID-19

No vaccine for any other form of coronavirus has ever been approved for use, leading some scientists to fear none will be found for COVID-19 either.

www.businessinsider.com